In that case the user has made a choice is the good thing. They've seen what options are there and decided Windows fits their needs best. That's better in my mind than a world where everyone accepts the OS that comes preinstalled on their machine as permanent and doesn't consider alternatives.
Jup. I think I've had some 3 actual issues the past 2 years on EndeavourOS. But the Endeavour team did a good job of warning me on Discord/RSS or at least provide tutorials and explanations afterwards.
One of the issues was in regard to Grub (fixed by Timeshift rollback and a one-liner), one was in regard to some rogue Nvidia bug crashing the login window (fixed by Timeshift rollback and waiting a few days before updating again), and one was Nvidia removing support for GTX1000 cards and older (Nvidia, WHYYYYYYYY?!).
For reference, I had what felt like similar annoying bugs (and much worse) on Windows 10 about every month, but without any useful support from Microsoft. :(
and one was Nvidia removing support for GTX1000 cards and older (Nvidia, WHYYYYYYYY?!).
Yeah this one REALLY sucked on my laptop still running a 960M. But hey, after the fix (which I think was just locking the driver package?) I just don't gotta worry anymore, so that's cool.
Sure the Arch or package maintainers could provide migration scripts for stuff like that (there probably are rolling distros who do that?) or when they split packages but usually you are fine if you read the announcements and act accordingly.
Sorry that wasn't meant like that, I was just pointing out that that was at least communicated in Archnews which not everything is, for example the firewalld package split you have to catch in the package update warnings which is easy to miss.
Yeah there's a lot of things you can do, but I bet most people just hit yes and go about their day, which is how they break their system. I've done it at least once (come back from vacation and pacman hits you with 300+ new packages), but also have broken arch by trying to install stuff by following old deprecated guides. It's not hard to break, but it's also very achievable to have a problem free time.
Heh, that's on you, bazzite here (was arch for a few years 4+ish years ago) can't remember the last time an update was problematic (oh, wait, 42->43 broke a distrobox, but I do that myself all the time, it's what they're for).
On regular Fedora 42->43 broke (or forgot to change?) a few SE Linux rules for me, so that I got constant notifications about violations. Otherwise it's been rock solid so far.
Yeah, if you dig through journalctl (and you should once in a while) it gives you the commands to fix that stuff if you think it's right. That said, would be nice to not have to do that.
It's was even easier - KDE showed a notification, I clicked it and got a pop-up telling me about the violation and the commands to fix it of this behavior should be allowed. I could never copy&paste them from there. But yes, checking journalctl every once in a while is a good habit.
Since it was nothing that really prevented me from using the PC (e.g. virt-manager getting a violation when I shut down a VM), I reported it and waited for a bit if they'd resolve this and then just ran the commands after a two days without fix, because I wanted to get rid of the notifications
Just nuked my CachyOS install with a routine update and switched to Bazzite after repairing it in chroot failed. I enjoyed the entire process, even the failures.
The progress in the last 2 years has been nothing short of amazing.
The KDE team, Wine, Proton, TKG/GE/etc have worked miracles for the Linux community.
Also, shout out to Microsoft for spectacularly face planting in their move to Windows 11/CoPilot/Vibe coded OS development. Nobody deserves more credit for Linux's growth than Microsoft's complete failure to innovate as an operating system developer.
Ikr? An indie game just came out last week, and I’m able to use my PS5 controller with all the really cool haptic feedback with no configuration on my end.
Took me 4 seconds to realize I can actually use the super key and have my start menu pop up instantly and not watch it struggle to load 50 ads and tell me to download candy crush
I have a couple of Linux machines, but I also use a MacBook. It's been a year now, and every time I use the Mac it kinda pisses me off that I have to hit Cmd+Space to bring up a search. It feels like a massive step backwards.
Without the „corpos“ spending money on developing the Linux ecosystem, we wouldn’t be where we are today. Red Hat (systemd), Oracle, IBM made a lot possible. Apple took KHTML and turned it into WebKit, the browser engine bundled with GTK and Qt.
Google managed to capture Linux with Chromebooks and Android phones. However their spending benefited others as well.
Single maintainers can’t do much to stop a determined corporation with money from forking a component or writing a replacement. I remember how Debian maintainers spent immense amounts of time and energy into fighting about adoption of systemd to replace sysv init.
I'm always somewhat confused by this, I haven't tried Linux since 2009 so maybe I just need to try it some more to appreciate what people mean by thks. I'd say it was "fun" in so much as it was nice to have a challenge for a little while but that was more sort of incidental to it facilitating my computer being a useful machine for me. In terms of it being a better operating system that does it's job efficiently without problems, shouldn't it be sort of... Invisible then? Like how can it be fun? I use my computer to do stuff so for me it's sort of like an operating system is only noticeable to the extent that it is bad and if it isn't bad I won't really be aware of it.
So many cool utilities are Linux native first, today.
When I finally switched my work computer to Linux, various little tools I had been using were suddenly trivial to install, instead of maybe an hour each. I had restored my full favorite toolset in less than 30 minutes, and moved on to exploring things that never worked on Windows, for me.
The combined feeling, for me, is like when my father user to hand me $5 to shop at our local 10¢ candy store. "I can just have as much of this as I want."
Well, invisible is how linux (mostly) is now, as opposed to windows which has become very visible and pushing and annoying by design. It is very refreshing to have an os which works and doesn't constantly annoy you with unwanted things.
You should try it again, I am pretty sure your experience will be very different from 2009, because a lot has happened to linux since then.
But see, doesn't that just mean it's a really good operating system? Not necessarily "fun"? I don't know if I'm getting my point across here. Think of a pair of shoes, there is much variation of form and design intent and pricing and capability but nevertheless they're pretty much all there to facilitate the task of walking. You could get a really bad pair of shoes that constantly dig holes in to your foot and fall to pieces and make walking a huge chore. Maybe some day someone will make a pair that somehow force you stop and look at billboards and ad displays, those would be your windows shoes. You could also get a great pair, that feels so comfortable you could forget you're even wearing them, they look great and they were a fantastic price and they never worsen your ability to perform the task of walking. They might even be such good shoes that they're suitable for all sorts of walking adjacent tasks like running as well, perhaps you'll enjoy running, again though what's fun there? Running? Or having shoes that don't make running difficult? I'd assume the former. That's what I tend to wonder about with the folks who talk about how much fun Linux is. I'm sure the various distros are really great operating systems that work way better than a lot of other options and don't have the same perverse incentives that keep those other options so consistently poor and for all those reasons it's a great choice but who's looking at operating systems thinking "this is going to be fun"? I'd love to have that same capacity to be so amused by it but it's hard to see it as anything other than a functional piece of equipment. I certainly will have preferences and appreciation for good equipment but I wouldn't think of it as fun. I have a similar reaction to people that say they like it because they want to tinker or "you can do anything you want with it", I don't want to yuk anyone's yum but, what would you even be trying to do with it?
Back before I switched to linux it was how I (as a then Windows 2k user) looked at any version of Windows w/o the NT kernel. Now its how I look at people who still use Reddit.
The few people I know that still use Reddit already used the Reddit app and the "new" interface before the API changes. I don't think they care too much to begin with (so yes, I also look at them that way)
Its more you are at the cutting edge where the general public will be in a few years. The only time I don't see that happening is when I think of the tildeverse as that is more an offshoot than a evolution of the tech landscape.
I did the same for my home server. I've been Linux curious for over 20 years with very limited experience before I dropped my IT diploma. I went with Debian for pure stability and run xfce de.
I had been dual booting bazzite for about a year, up until last weekend when it borked and I wound up just reinstalling. I just deleted everything and went pure linux. Still bazzite, still a little scared of the terminal, but windows is completely gone from my computer.
Steam? We had Wine launch scripts AND WE LOVED IT.
If our DXVK and Mesa versions were not compatible we just kernel panicked like a real OS. Kids these days with their GE-Proton and NTSYNC don't know how good they have it.
Kernel synchronization primitives? ABSOLUTELY NOT, we'll use file mutexes in userspace like Linus intended.
Ive been Linux only for 3 years and I gotta say, I still can't convince myself to move to a stable release.
Opensuse tumbleweed is just on another level.
Woo! Tumbleweed is fantastic. I agree! I used to only do creative/productive stuff with it, but I finally moved all my gaming over a couple years ago and it's been handling everything I've thrown at it, on Nvidia! Whereas Win10 was bluescreening Vermintide 2 and saying "This app is too old :(" for my older games.
I think the only thing Tumbleweed wouldn't be great for, is capped Internet plans. X_X
Exactly. You can't even do arithmetic in the search tool of a computer. I just tried to change Win + C to open the calculator, and while it says I can pick any application, the list of applications is actually just copilot! So I can have their useless search, or copilot, or copilot. Great
I actually did rewatch it all a few years ago. Its quite good, but I see now as a older guy that David Duchovny actually wasnt very good playing Moulder. Didnt notice it as a kid but yeah, he is just reading lines with the same facial expression all the time. If you havent noticed, try rewatching with that in mind... :)
Gillian Anderson is amazing though, really good actress and she was paid much less than Moulder, despite being able to actually act properly.
he is just reading lines with the same facial expression all the time. If you havent noticed, try rewatching with that in mind… :)
That's basically Duchovny's whole range, as far as I can tell.
I think he was in some non-X-Files related movie. I never saw it, but I remember the commercial for it. Duchovny's character: "Are you here to kill me?" "Yes, are you worried?" "Just trying to plan my day." All deadpan.
I got so tired of X-Files stringing me along. It reminded me of some women that I tried to date. I gave up after the first movie (yeah, the one everyone forgets about) - no answers there, either!
I'm getting close to that point. I started playing with it in 1997 or 1998, trying to avoid grad school work... Daily driver at home for many, many years.
I have been using Linux since almost 30 years. It took me almost a week to get X running, since it had to reboot to windows everytime I wanted to look something up or get help.
Now I buy games on steam without checking if they run, because... they just do. :)
Actually I don't need more people using Linux, I am happy with how it is now - no need to attract the attention of the malware industry. 😜
I want everyone to have the benefit of Linux. It's not just about me.
We'd then get those missing applications and drivers. And if anyone wanted to get away from the mainstream, there are distros just for that.
You know, I have used DOS and various un*x (hpux, aix, irix, sunos/solaris, sco, bsd, minix, sVr4, others) in the 80s/90s, before linux and windows existed, so I'm looking at you like this, peasants!
I played with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD etc 25 years ago, but I am using Linux distro since early 00s, and now it is so easy to install/setup compared to the 00s!!!
I went to Linux at the beginning of the year and "had" to install windows onto a drive this past weekend, I've looked at myself this way in the mirror everyday since.
I swapped back (250gb paritition on my 2nd internal ssd) for iracing and a few other nonsupported games. (and to do some initial hotas setup, moza updates, etc.) It's wild how slow windows is just in regular use, even opening the settings and clicking stuff takes 5 years while it's all snappy and fast on linux.
The only upside for windows is the few games not supported on linux work and I get 21:9 4k 180hz over hdmi, but im better off using 21:9 1440p 60 with my current dying gaming laptop that heats up way too fast. I play beamng and don't and it's stable around 50fps anyways, will swap to display port with my next pc so windows fr is only around for iracing and wrc, I wish more ppl would swap to push these games to support it.
To test a very stubborn program I had to install windows in a VM and use it for 20 minutes yesterday. It felt like I was swimming in a swamp located at the exit pipes of a factory that exclusively produce shit and deadly biohazard material.
The biggest issue I ran into when migrating was because I created an NTFS partition that I intended to share with my dual boot. So many programs had issues setting correct privileges on the folders or the privileges would reset after a reboot. Trying to find help was very difficult because I was doing something stupid to begin with. When I changed the partition to exFat or something else all my problems were solved. A couple of years later I maybe have booted into Windows 2 times total, I just use my work laptop when I need to run something that has issues with wine like the tax software
If your work laptop is a pain for those last Wine resistant apps: I recently started using (and liking) WinBoat for running Fusion 360, the 1 piece of software I can't get running in Wine and can't manage to switch off of. It makes it really easy to maintain a windows VM and then use RemoteApp to launch individual pieces of software from it as if they were running natively.
Sounds like it's still quite a worry, maybe she's safe from malicious software but sounds very prone to being mislead in to doing things by bad actors through her computer.
Well done! You're doing important work, letting her chill instead of get scammed. Besides the money loss, many of those phone scams are also traumatizing.
i just want it on its own plate, not all mashed up with the look have you ever gotten your cake and your ice cream all melted together? we CANNOT LET OUR INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS WIN ON THIS ONE i do not want crumbs in my taskbar
I've gotten solidworks to work in a Windows 11 VM with decent performance. I use Virtual Machine Manager, which is a GUI that uses QEMU/KVM on the backend.
I used this guide for better performance, and it also resolved an issue where solidworks wouldn't install because it could tell it was in a VM.
25H2 is Microsoft's latest major release, featuring a refined interface, faster performance, enhanced security, and better hardware support. It's the most polished Windows 11 experience, making it ideal for virtual machines.
This is either the biggest load of horse manure ever vomited or a scathing indictment of the true quality of MS product. Either way, i am glad i don't need those instructions.
Didn't even notice that bit lol. After reading lots of articles on the internet, one tends to skip all the BS in the intro. Can't disagree with that paragraph more.
I still think the rest of the guide is very good though, it walked me through tons of complicated config I could not have figured out on my own. Turns out you have to configure the VM to have special VirtIO hardware and install the drivers for that hardware within the Windows VM, among other various tweaks.
Also, this setup 100% should be people's last resort for running software on Linux. I would be using wine if I could, but the SolidWorks for Linux project has stalled in favor of the fusion360 for Linux project, so I had no choices other than installing Windows 11 on my old laptop or installing it in a VM.
It didn't, but EAC added Linux support a while ago... so any game dev can choose enable Linux support (and most do in my experience). I play many EAC games on Arch(, btw) with an NVIDIA card, HDMI 2.1, HDR works, etc. I have a working VR (Index) setup, a gaming mouse with better customization software (imo) than Windows, etc.
Most of these things had various minor issues even a year ago and now the only thing I can think that is non-standard/requires tinkering is that I'm using beta drivers to have Vulkan support on NVIDIA. This provides a good HDR implementation. Once the Vulkan support is released in the official driver then a user could get all of the same features without ever needing to do anything but update their system and install Steam.
Progress in the Linux gaming space advances every week. Things are approaching perfect, outside of structural issues (such as kernel anticheat). I have 213 games in my Steam library and the only game that I cannot play is Apex: Legends.
Apex runs just fine, but EAC is configured to kick Linux clients if you try to connect to a match. This isn't a Linux issue that can be patched, this is a developer choosing to not allow Linux.
If you haven't tried gaming on Linux in a while, you should give it a shot. I've long since ditched Windows in order to have more free space.
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marius@feddit.org · 240 pts · 196d
Justified imo
kevinsbacon@lemmy.today · 69 pts · 196d
Even 4s would be fine, anyone who’s made the move is better than anyone who’s stayed.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 196d
install finishes
"That was it?... Heh. Of course it was. This is Linux, afterall. Not some grotesque accumulation of defects for those base creatures."
galaxy_nova@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 196d
Yeah honestly even if you try it and give it a fair chance but still decide to go back that’s fine with me.
GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 196d
In that case the user has made a choice is the good thing. They've seen what options are there and decided Windows fits their needs best. That's better in my mind than a world where everyone accepts the OS that comes preinstalled on their machine as permanent and doesn't consider alternatives.
Hond@piefed.social · 113 pts · 196d
Best part is that it never gets old day after day after day af...
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 44 pts · 196d
Can confirm, I'm using arch btw and every three
pacman -Syu's I run into issues that are new to mehubobes@piefed.europe.pub · 45 pts · 196d
One day I will figure out what other Arch users do and why my installation had not a single issue in the 3 years it has been running so far.
utnapishtim@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 196d
I was thinking the same thing, I have installed it on a laptop and it's almost boring how it just works.
antrosapien@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 195d
TBH, pacman aur is damn easier than managing PPA's on Ubuntu
ekky@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 196d
Jup. I think I've had some 3 actual issues the past 2 years on EndeavourOS. But the Endeavour team did a good job of warning me on Discord/RSS or at least provide tutorials and explanations afterwards.
One of the issues was in regard to Grub (fixed by Timeshift rollback and a one-liner), one was in regard to some rogue Nvidia bug crashing the login window (fixed by Timeshift rollback and waiting a few days before updating again), and one was Nvidia removing support for GTX1000 cards and older (Nvidia, WHYYYYYYYY?!).
For reference, I had what felt like similar annoying bugs (and much worse) on Windows 10 about every month, but without any useful support from Microsoft. :(
EDIT: speaking of the devil. A fourth issue just popped up.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 196d
Yeah this one REALLY sucked on my laptop still running a 960M. But hey, after the fix (which I think was just locking the driver package?) I just don't gotta worry anymore, so that's cool.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 195d
I don't get new issues all the time like op says, but I do have a few nagging issues that I'm too lazy to fix.
Kanda@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 195d
Usually it's graphics drivers going boom on update.
hubobes@piefed.europe.pub · 3 pts · 195d
Yeah but that was communicated in Archnews: https://archlinux.org/news/nvidia-590-driver-drops-pascal-support-main-packages-switch-to-open-kernel-modules/
Sure the Arch or package maintainers could provide migration scripts for stuff like that (there probably are rolling distros who do that?) or when they split packages but usually you are fine if you read the announcements and act accordingly.
Kanda@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 195d
The question was how they make the arch go boom by running pacman -Syyu and I gave the most probable reason. Thanks for hitting me with RTFM
hubobes@piefed.europe.pub · 1 pts · 195d
Sorry that wasn't meant like that, I was just pointing out that that was at least communicated in Archnews which not everything is, for example the firewalld package split you have to catch in the package update warnings which is easy to miss.
Kanda@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 195d
Yeah there's a lot of things you can do, but I bet most people just hit yes and go about their day, which is how they break their system. I've done it at least once (come back from vacation and pacman hits you with 300+ new packages), but also have broken arch by trying to install stuff by following old deprecated guides. It's not hard to break, but it's also very achievable to have a problem free time.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 196d
Heh, that's on you, bazzite here (was arch for a few years 4+ish years ago) can't remember the last time an update was problematic (oh, wait, 42->43 broke a distrobox, but I do that myself all the time, it's what they're for).
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 196d
you know what distro I would choose if I were prone to tinkering at the expense of the system's month-to-month stability?
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 196d
lmao :) Have fun.
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 196d
It's been 9 years since I set my system up, so...
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 196d
Please do.
elvith@feddit.org · 2 pts · 196d
On regular Fedora 42->43 broke (or forgot to change?) a few SE Linux rules for me, so that I got constant notifications about violations. Otherwise it's been rock solid so far.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 196d
Yeah, if you dig through journalctl (and you should once in a while) it gives you the commands to fix that stuff if you think it's right. That said, would be nice to not have to do that.
elvith@feddit.org · 1 pts · 196d
It's was even easier - KDE showed a notification, I clicked it and got a pop-up telling me about the violation and the commands to fix it of this behavior should be allowed. I could never copy&paste them from there. But yes, checking journalctl every once in a while is a good habit.
Since it was nothing that really prevented me from using the PC (e.g. virt-manager getting a violation when I shut down a VM), I reported it and waited for a bit if they'd resolve this and then just ran the commands after a two days without fix, because I wanted to get rid of the notifications
Jesus_666@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
You get issues every fifteen minutes? Damn.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d
Just nuked my CachyOS install with a routine update and switched to Bazzite after repairing it in chroot failed. I enjoyed the entire process, even the failures.
harsh3466@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 196d
I'm on arch now (BTW) and I'm eyeballing fedora atomic sway.
naht@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 194d
https://github.com/bradford-smith94/informant
This will help big time. 😏
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 194d
nah, I visit archlinux.org before updating but most of the pain is self-inflicted
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 196d
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 196d
The progress in the last 2 years has been nothing short of amazing.
The KDE team, Wine, Proton, TKG/GE/etc have worked miracles for the Linux community.
Also, shout out to Microsoft for spectacularly face planting in their move to Windows 11/CoPilot/Vibe coded OS development. Nobody deserves more credit for Linux's growth than Microsoft's complete failure to innovate as an operating system developer.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 196d
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 196d
The siren call of enshittification-driven short-term profits was too strong.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 196d
Little did we know that their long LONG term plan was actually "EmbraceIncompetence, ExtendBlueScreens, ExtinguishSelf"
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 195d
Ikr? An indie game just came out last week, and I’m able to use my PS5 controller with all the really cool haptic feedback with no configuration on my end.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 196d
mogoh@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 196d
Well, I used enough linux to be angry about a lot of things.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 66 pts · 196d
And rightfully so.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 196d
/thread
mlg@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 196d
4 days?
Took me 4 seconds to realize I can actually use the super key and have my start menu pop up instantly and not watch it struggle to load 50 ads and tell me to download candy crush
bestelbus22@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 195d
Just my files & programs, and instant search through them. All a menu needs to be
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 195d
But also when I click the start button it has all of my files and programs
djdarren@piefed.social · 6 pts · 195d
I have a couple of Linux machines, but I also use a MacBook. It's been a year now, and every time I use the Mac it kinda pisses me off that I have to hit Cmd+Space to bring up a search. It feels like a massive step backwards.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 57 pts · 196d
Well I know I'm superior because I don't use the OS that funds a pedo's STD collection via stock value.
halfsalesman@piefed.social · 45 pts · 196d
I want that feeling to disappear, by having Linux completely dominate the OS space.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 196d
Limerance@piefed.social · 8 pts · 196d
Microsoft Linux is what you want.
ikidd@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 196d
Unfortunately, that's where I see it heading. And for all the good intentions out there, as soon as the corpos get involved, it goes to shit.
I think we're a few principled maintainers away from standard enshittification of the Linux Foundation.
Limerance@piefed.social · 1 pts · 195d
Without the „corpos“ spending money on developing the Linux ecosystem, we wouldn’t be where we are today. Red Hat (systemd), Oracle, IBM made a lot possible. Apple took KHTML and turned it into WebKit, the browser engine bundled with GTK and Qt.
Google managed to capture Linux with Chromebooks and Android phones. However their spending benefited others as well.
Single maintainers can’t do much to stop a determined corporation with money from forking a component or writing a replacement. I remember how Debian maintainers spent immense amounts of time and energy into fighting about adoption of systemd to replace sysv init.
Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com · 9 pts · 196d
I think I threw up a little
Limerance@piefed.social · 1 pts · 195d
Imagine Microsoft Office and Exchange Server being available for Microsoft Linux. Instead of WINE it ships with actual windows libraries as binary.
So instead of Windows Subsystem for Linux, you get Linux Subsystem for Windows.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 196d
Then it will just be distros shitting on each other...
End Linux Racism!
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 196d
The first few days is where you realize "holy shit, there is another world I've been ignoring and it's so much more fun."
untorquer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
I suppose it's a lot easier to have fun when you've got some stability.
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 195d
I'm always somewhat confused by this, I haven't tried Linux since 2009 so maybe I just need to try it some more to appreciate what people mean by thks. I'd say it was "fun" in so much as it was nice to have a challenge for a little while but that was more sort of incidental to it facilitating my computer being a useful machine for me. In terms of it being a better operating system that does it's job efficiently without problems, shouldn't it be sort of... Invisible then? Like how can it be fun? I use my computer to do stuff so for me it's sort of like an operating system is only noticeable to the extent that it is bad and if it isn't bad I won't really be aware of it.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 195d
So many cool utilities are Linux native first, today.
When I finally switched my work computer to Linux, various little tools I had been using were suddenly trivial to install, instead of maybe an hour each. I had restored my full favorite toolset in less than 30 minutes, and moved on to exploring things that never worked on Windows, for me.
The combined feeling, for me, is like when my father user to hand me $5 to shop at our local 10¢ candy store. "I can just have as much of this as I want."
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 195d
"I’m always somewhat confused by this"
"I haven’t tried Linux since 2009"
ok
yata@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 195d
Well, invisible is how linux (mostly) is now, as opposed to windows which has become very visible and pushing and annoying by design. It is very refreshing to have an os which works and doesn't constantly annoy you with unwanted things.
You should try it again, I am pretty sure your experience will be very different from 2009, because a lot has happened to linux since then.
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 195d
But see, doesn't that just mean it's a really good operating system? Not necessarily "fun"? I don't know if I'm getting my point across here. Think of a pair of shoes, there is much variation of form and design intent and pricing and capability but nevertheless they're pretty much all there to facilitate the task of walking. You could get a really bad pair of shoes that constantly dig holes in to your foot and fall to pieces and make walking a huge chore. Maybe some day someone will make a pair that somehow force you stop and look at billboards and ad displays, those would be your windows shoes. You could also get a great pair, that feels so comfortable you could forget you're even wearing them, they look great and they were a fantastic price and they never worsen your ability to perform the task of walking. They might even be such good shoes that they're suitable for all sorts of walking adjacent tasks like running as well, perhaps you'll enjoy running, again though what's fun there? Running? Or having shoes that don't make running difficult? I'd assume the former. That's what I tend to wonder about with the folks who talk about how much fun Linux is. I'm sure the various distros are really great operating systems that work way better than a lot of other options and don't have the same perverse incentives that keep those other options so consistently poor and for all those reasons it's a great choice but who's looking at operating systems thinking "this is going to be fun"? I'd love to have that same capacity to be so amused by it but it's hard to see it as anything other than a functional piece of equipment. I certainly will have preferences and appreciation for good equipment but I wouldn't think of it as fun. I have a similar reaction to people that say they like it because they want to tinker or "you can do anything you want with it", I don't want to yuk anyone's yum but, what would you even be trying to do with it?
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
It's fun for enthusiasts only, I suppose
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de · 37 pts · 196d
Back before I switched to linux it was how I (as a then Windows 2k user) looked at any version of Windows w/o the NT kernel. Now its how I look at people who still use Reddit.
Maybe I just like to look at people that way.
criticon@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 196d
The few people I know that still use Reddit already used the Reddit app and the "new" interface before the API changes. I don't think they care too much to begin with (so yes, I also look at them that way)
lordnikon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Its more you are at the cutting edge where the general public will be in a few years. The only time I don't see that happening is when I think of the tildeverse as that is more an offshoot than a evolution of the tech landscape.
utopiah@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 196d
And rightfully so. They might not know much about Linux itself BUT they did dare try and for that they deserve recognition.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 196d
As they should.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d
Hell yeah!
url@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
It's their birth right
garretble@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 196d
I installed Linux on my PC this week, so yeah.
vogi@piefed.social · 18 pts · 196d
Spill the beans! What distro are you running?
garretble@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 196d
Simple and easy: Mint.
ekZepp@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 196d
CreativeCider@feddit.org · 6 pts · 196d
One of us! One of us!
Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 196d
Mint until someone makes a distro Karlach themed.
argarath@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 196d
Be the change you want to see in the world
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 196d
BTW?
Embargo@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 196d
I did the same for my home server. I've been Linux curious for over 20 years with very limited experience before I dropped my IT diploma. I went with Debian for pure stability and run xfce de.
VeganBtw@piefed.social · 29 pts · 196d
Imagine being a Linux user and a vegan, it's absolute moral self-masturbation
riskable@programming.dev · 33 pts · 196d
Vegan Linux users can compile their own protein from source.
Their purity level is so high that they can
kill -9anyone wearing a leather belt with just a glance.samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 196d
There's probably a pretty decent crossover between those two things.
toomanypancakes@piefed.world · 5 pts · 196d
I'm thinking about changing distros to Arch, for the animals (vegan btw)
Limerance@piefed.social · 4 pts · 196d
Communist Linux users have a far superior morality complex.
sunflower@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 195d
Hey, some of us are also cyclists! By the way.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 196d
Which distro do you use tho?
DivineDev@piefed.social · 26 pts · 196d
I still look at Windows user like this after a year
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
If they didn't want to be looked down upon then they wouldn't be using inferiour software.
pemptago@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 195d
4 years later and I look down like I'm even higher up.
rocketpoweredredneck@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 196d
I had been dual booting bazzite for about a year, up until last weekend when it borked and I wound up just reinstalling. I just deleted everything and went pure linux. Still bazzite, still a little scared of the terminal, but windows is completely gone from my computer.
NONE_dc@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 196d
As it should be.
SqueakySpider@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 196d
Every day I use windows I find more that is wrong with it...
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 13 pts · 196d
Yes, let the hate flow through you.
Addition@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 196d
Unironically me IRL. I switched to Bazzite from Win10 this year and it's been real smooth. I can't belive how easy the transition was.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 196d
Back in my day we had to manually install nvidia kernel modules. In the snow. Uphill both ways.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 196d
Steam? We had Wine launch scripts AND WE LOVED IT.
If our DXVK and Mesa versions were not compatible we just kernel panicked like a real OS. Kids these days with their GE-Proton and NTSYNC don't know how good they have it.
Kernel synchronization primitives? ABSOLUTELY NOT, we'll use file mutexes in userspace like Linus intended.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 15 pts · 196d
I like your funny words Linux man
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
I sed what I sed
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 196d
Enzy@feddit.nu · 19 pts · 196d
I run Windows and still look at them like this
Mostly because they aren't competent enough to remove the bloat.
pemptago@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 195d
Yeah, but those with the competency to remove the bloat still get this look for not choosing the bloat-free option.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 195d
Competence will only get you so far in such a closed for.profit ecosystem.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 195d
knowing nod
Yes. I used to de-bloat Windows, myself.
The path ahead of you contains power...and freedom.
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 196d
Ive been Linux only for 3 years and I gotta say, I still can't convince myself to move to a stable release. Opensuse tumbleweed is just on another level.
Chais@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 196d
Updates, roll out!
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 196d
Ma Man!
Limerance@piefed.social · 5 pts · 196d
A fish of distinct tastes.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 196d
Woo! Tumbleweed is fantastic. I agree! I used to only do creative/productive stuff with it, but I finally moved all my gaming over a couple years ago and it's been handling everything I've thrown at it, on Nvidia! Whereas Win10 was bluescreening Vermintide 2 and saying "This app is too old :(" for my older games.
I think the only thing Tumbleweed wouldn't be great for, is capped Internet plans. X_X
Buffy@libretechni.ca · 17 pts · 195d
There are a lot of "And rightfully so." comments here. And rightfully so.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 17 pts · 196d
Ten years and I still look like that.
Helps that I have to use Windows at the office for a constant reminder of how shit it is.
SqueakySpider@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 196d
Exactly. You can't even do arithmetic in the search tool of a computer. I just tried to change Win + C to open the calculator, and while it says I can pick any application, the list of applications is actually just copilot! So I can have their useless search, or copilot, or copilot. Great
1984@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 196d
Ive used it for 30 years... :)
Agent641@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 196d
I picture you:
1984@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 195d
Loved that guy! Need to rewatch xfiles...
I actually did rewatch it all a few years ago. Its quite good, but I see now as a older guy that David Duchovny actually wasnt very good playing Moulder. Didnt notice it as a kid but yeah, he is just reading lines with the same facial expression all the time. If you havent noticed, try rewatching with that in mind... :)
Gillian Anderson is amazing though, really good actress and she was paid much less than Moulder, despite being able to actually act properly.
limelight79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
That's basically Duchovny's whole range, as far as I can tell.
I think he was in some non-X-Files related movie. I never saw it, but I remember the commercial for it. Duchovny's character: "Are you here to kill me?" "Yes, are you worried?" "Just trying to plan my day." All deadpan.
I got so tired of X-Files stringing me along. It reminded me of some women that I tried to date. I gave up after the first movie (yeah, the one everyone forgets about) - no answers there, either!
limelight79@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 195d
I'm getting close to that point. I started playing with it in 1997 or 1998, trying to avoid grad school work... Daily driver at home for many, many years.
naht@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 195d
I have been using Linux since almost 30 years. It took me almost a week to get X running, since it had to reboot to windows everytime I wanted to look something up or get help. Now I buy games on steam without checking if they run, because... they just do. :)
Actually I don't need more people using Linux, I am happy with how it is now - no need to attract the attention of the malware industry. 😜
jabjoe@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 195d
I don't think them and you will run the same Linux, but that's ok. Choice is good and kind of the point. :-)
ian@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 195d
I want everyone to have the benefit of Linux. It's not just about me. We'd then get those missing applications and drivers. And if anyone wanted to get away from the mainstream, there are distros just for that.
Magister@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 196d
You know, I have used DOS and various un*x (hpux, aix, irix, sunos/solaris, sco, bsd, minix, sVr4, others) in the 80s/90s, before linux and windows existed, so I'm looking at you like this, peasants!
/s :)
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 196d
Magister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
I played with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD etc 25 years ago, but I am using Linux distro since early 00s, and now it is so easy to install/setup compared to the 00s!!!
evidences@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 196d
I went to Linux at the beginning of the year and "had" to install windows onto a drive this past weekend, I've looked at myself this way in the mirror everyday since.
dil@piefed.zip · 13 pts · 196d
I swapped back (250gb paritition on my 2nd internal ssd) for iracing and a few other nonsupported games. (and to do some initial hotas setup, moza updates, etc.) It's wild how slow windows is just in regular use, even opening the settings and clicking stuff takes 5 years while it's all snappy and fast on linux.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 196d
dil@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 196d
The only upside for windows is the few games not supported on linux work and I get 21:9 4k 180hz over hdmi, but im better off using 21:9 1440p 60 with my current dying gaming laptop that heats up way too fast. I play beamng and don't and it's stable around 50fps anyways, will swap to display port with my next pc so windows fr is only around for iracing and wrc, I wish more ppl would swap to push these games to support it.
fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip · 13 pts · 196d
sudo systemctl reboot && systemctl deeznuts
ikidd@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 196d
And after 30 years, same thing.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 195d
To test a very stubborn program I had to install windows in a VM and use it for 20 minutes yesterday. It felt like I was swimming in a swamp located at the exit pipes of a factory that exclusively produce shit and deadly biohazard material.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 195d
Not going to lie, as a recent convert, this is not very off the mark. 😅 😎🐧
Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 195d
criticon@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 196d
The biggest issue I ran into when migrating was because I created an NTFS partition that I intended to share with my dual boot. So many programs had issues setting correct privileges on the folders or the privileges would reset after a reboot. Trying to find help was very difficult because I was doing something stupid to begin with. When I changed the partition to exFat or something else all my problems were solved. A couple of years later I maybe have booted into Windows 2 times total, I just use my work laptop when I need to run something that has issues with wine like the tax software
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 196d
If your work laptop is a pain for those last Wine resistant apps: I recently started using (and liking) WinBoat for running Fusion 360, the 1 piece of software I can't get running in Wine and can't manage to switch off of. It makes it really easy to maintain a windows VM and then use RemoteApp to launch individual pieces of software from it as if they were running natively.
FreshLight@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 196d
You are a live saver.
BaraCoded@literature.cafe · 10 pts · 196d
Meanwhile, people who've been using linux for 10+ years...
https://64.media.tumblr.com/13aa5f9a193fec7df0dbf39f654d4d82/tumblr_moatn8ntC31rp0vkjo1_500.gif
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
Is it porn?
BaraCoded@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 195d
No
LemmyShemmy@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 196d
0x0@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 195d
Get an ad blocker on that browser.
LemmyShemmy@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 195d
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 195d
Sounds like it's still quite a worry, maybe she's safe from malicious software but sounds very prone to being mislead in to doing things by bad actors through her computer.
LemmyShemmy@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 195d
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 195d
Well done! You're doing important work, letting her chill instead of get scammed. Besides the money loss, many of those phone scams are also traumatizing.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 195d
Me after having control of system updates again when I switched to Linux.
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 195d
All hail King Torvalds! 🎺
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
Oh yeah can you put your taskbar or whatever on the side?
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 195d
You can put your taskbar in the middle of the screen if you so desire!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
i just want it on its own plate, not all mashed up with the look have you ever gotten your cake and your ice cream all melted together? we CANNOT LET OUR INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS WIN ON THIS ONE i do not want crumbs in my taskbar
SitD@lemy.lol · 8 pts · 196d
😳 oh no a wrongful thought. maybe we can get him back to the right view if we give him more ai
rustyricotta@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 195d
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 196d
Thats how i look at my former self
Been running cachy for a couple of weeks now, and after fucking up the setup once, second time was the charm
I love it
FUsername@feddit.org · 7 pts · 196d
Effing things up is part of the process, I guess.
Allero@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 195d
Especially when your first distro is literal goddamn Arch with a few bells and whistles
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 8 pts · 195d
And rightfully so!
Daerun@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
I do so while I order my servant to throw them some pennies.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
To be fair took way to long to add Bluetooth to my Debian 13 laptop.
timmytbt@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 196d
4 days? Try 10 minutes.
Dadifer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d
I'm super happy with Debian, but I still have to dual boot because of Solidworks 😭. Also Elegoo Satelite doesn't work too good with Wine.
osbo9991@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d
I've gotten solidworks to work in a Windows 11 VM with decent performance. I use Virtual Machine Manager, which is a GUI that uses QEMU/KVM on the backend.
I used this guide for better performance, and it also resolved an issue where solidworks wouldn't install because it could tell it was in a VM.
Encephalotrocity@feddit.online · 7 pts · 196d
This is either the biggest load of horse manure ever vomited or a scathing indictment of the true quality of MS product. Either way, i am glad i don't need those instructions.
osbo9991@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
Didn't even notice that bit lol. After reading lots of articles on the internet, one tends to skip all the BS in the intro. Can't disagree with that paragraph more.
I still think the rest of the guide is very good though, it walked me through tons of complicated config I could not have figured out on my own. Turns out you have to configure the VM to have special VirtIO hardware and install the drivers for that hardware within the Windows VM, among other various tweaks.
Also, this setup 100% should be people's last resort for running software on Linux. I would be using wine if I could, but the SolidWorks for Linux project has stalled in favor of the fusion360 for Linux project, so I had no choices other than installing Windows 11 on my old laptop or installing it in a VM.
Dadifer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Sweet, thanks so much!
Limerance@piefed.social · 4 pts · 196d
I’ve been using OnShape for CAD. It runs in the browser and is pretty fantastic.
Depends on what you need to do and who you collaborate with of course.
Dadifer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
I just do mechanical stuff. Does it do gear mates?
Limerance@piefed.social · 2 pts · 195d
Yes https://www.onshape.com/de/blog/kinematics-assemblies-mates-simulation
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 196d
I mean... yeah.
RedFrank24@piefed.social · 5 pts · 196d
The only thing stopping me from moving to Linux is the fact I want to play Battlefield 6 and Space Marine 2.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
Space Marine 2 works just fine on Linux, I was just playing it last weekend. It has a gold rating on Protondb.
Kernel anticheat games can die in a fire, with all due respect to them.
I'll worry about them when I get through my backlog of games which grows faster than my completed game list.
RedFrank24@piefed.social · 2 pts · 196d
I thought EasyAntiCheat didn't like Linux?
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
It didn't, but EAC added Linux support a while ago... so any game dev can choose enable Linux support (and most do in my experience). I play many EAC games on Arch(, btw) with an NVIDIA card, HDMI 2.1, HDR works, etc. I have a working VR (Index) setup, a gaming mouse with better customization software (imo) than Windows, etc.
Most of these things had various minor issues even a year ago and now the only thing I can think that is non-standard/requires tinkering is that I'm using beta drivers to have Vulkan support on NVIDIA. This provides a good HDR implementation. Once the Vulkan support is released in the official driver then a user could get all of the same features without ever needing to do anything but update their system and install Steam.
Progress in the Linux gaming space advances every week. Things are approaching perfect, outside of structural issues (such as kernel anticheat). I have 213 games in my Steam library and the only game that I cannot play is Apex: Legends.
Apex runs just fine, but EAC is configured to kick Linux clients if you try to connect to a match. This isn't a Linux issue that can be patched, this is a developer choosing to not allow Linux.
If you haven't tried gaming on Linux in a while, you should give it a shot. I've long since ditched Windows in order to have more free space.
TLGA@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 196d
It has support for Linux but developers need to enable it and it won't act as a kernel level anti-cheat like on Windows.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 196d
That's what dual booting is for!
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 196d
I played Space Marine 2 on a steam deck. It wasn't the best experience but that was not because of linux.
BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 195d
4 full days??
Blank_Frank@lemmy.org · 4 pts · 195d
sarmale@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 195d
How me, still a Windows user then looked at fellow Windows users because i had planned installing Linux after 2 months.
morebento@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 195d
Particularly Arch users
desantis@mastodon.bida.im · 2 pts · 195d
@ekZepp LOL, that's the original Unix user, dmr, looking down!!
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 192d
Kinda.
Was more like looking as an escapee at my fellow slaves from outside the fence, urging them to come escape too.
brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 170d
Hey that's me!