cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/48806122
A license verification certificate expires and when it expires, Microsoft Office for Mac assumes it's unlicensed even if it has been fully paid for.
So, any idiot who paid for Office 2019 for Mac "perpetual" will lose access to it next month.
The same will happen with Office 2021 and Office 2024 in the future.
Pirates are unaffected, only who paid for the product gets punished
Good job šš»
137 Comments
victorz@lemmy.world · 187 pts · 71d
Idiots?
I'm not one of them, but what makes them idiots? Seems kind of uncalled for.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 179 pts · 71d
It just wouldnāt be a lemmy post without a smug sense of superiority.
mspencer712@programming.dev · 17 pts · 71d
Agreed. I donāt know if this is the term for it, but Iāve been thinking of all this as āsignaling disrespect,ā a deliberate attempt to make people think of their peers as lesser, as other.
I feel like either people have been conditioned to do this online all the time for some reason, or maybe thereās some directed attack against civility. I donāt know. But I refuse to let myself be affected by it. I wonāt hate people.
victorz@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 71d
I suppose you're right, in certain communities.
liuther9@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 70d
Seems like you feel superior to them
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 18 pts · 71d
I suppose they call them idiots because they trusted microslop's "eternal" definition and even paid for it when there are FOSS alternatives?
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 71d
A: gets scammed by company
B: You're so stupid, you should have known that company was going to scam you.
wltr@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 71d
As if Microsoft was founded just yesterday and wasnāt scamming everyone at everything for like decades, right?
accideath@feddit.org · 36 pts · 71d
They donāt have a history of undoing perpetual licenses though. I mean, I know people who still use a licensed copy of office 2000
wltr@discuss.tchncs.de · -16 pts · 71d
Now they have. The point is, if you trust that company for whatever reason, itās your problem. What makes you believe theyāre to be trusted? That they changed? Thereās nothing that indicates that, yet people keep not just using their
unprofessionalincompetent code glued stack, they pay money for it.accideath@feddit.org · 9 pts · 71d
Oftentimes itās not a choice. Microsoft office is a de facto standard in many professional contexts.
I personally avoid using Microsoft products whenever I can but that doesnāt mean everybody has that luxury.
And I cannot blame anyone buying a perpetual licence when the alternative is a subscription.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 71d
I'm not defending this action from Microsoft, but for most people, they buy a Microsoft product and then happily use it for years, none the wiser to any of Microsoft's other nonsense happening in the background.
wltr@discuss.tchncs.de · -18 pts · 71d
Coming from a background where software is usually pirated and not paid for (which I donāt support now), itās a special kind of weird to pay for that shite. I mean, who could have guessed? Me personally, I have no empathy for those. Go buy the next license from Microsoft, I guess. Till they screw you again.
If you pay for something, pay for quality. I understand people who buy Apple stuff, itās not even overpriced when you consider all the factors. Windows people are fooling themselves, and itās really fun to watch. āIdiotsā is the right word in my book. So I vibe with the title, itās more correct than the Vergeās one.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
'Douchebag' is the right word in my book.
wltr@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 69d
North American English, innit?
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 71d
And those customers shouldn't have been dressed like that!
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 3 pts · 71d
Not saying that I agree with the title, just explaining what I think was the reason.
Although one could say that trusting microslop to keep their word after what we've seen them do in the last years is... foolish to say the least.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me multiple times since the 90s, that's on me.
/s
Non sarcastic take, only MS is to blame.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 71d
Thatās what Iām thinking
I bought the win version, because I have a five year old win 10 computer Iām using until win 10 is no longer supported, and I canāt get office for free anymore.
When win 10 is no longer supported, thatās a Linux computer.
Would I be an idiot, if they cancelled support for mine? I guess so. Iām waiting for some edgelord to tell me I am, probably accompanied by y0u sH00d jUsT g0 LinUx n0w
victorz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 71d
Yeah, no rush.
Come on over to the Linux side when it suits you. You're welcome to the family when you're ready and that computer is ready. š¤
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 71d
Certainly will be, this is definitely the last windows Iām running. Cheers.
It was my sons school computer and itās running education which for win 10 I have been happy with. One son has ditched win 11 and is running Bazzite now. The other is wound back to win 10 I think, but heāll move
Iām in the process of deciding which distro to move on; I manage my sons NDIS so thatās front and centre; security of federal government records and claims.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 71d
Unless you have a specific use case in mind, or have a particular distribution that interests you, I can wholeheartedly recommend Fedora (GNOME or KDE version, either is good). I've not had any issues with it for a few years (I think I had some trouble with it in 2022, but nothing since then).
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 71d
Thank you, not exactly no, just stable and secure.
I donāt game on it, just book keeping and I do a bit of correspondence. But yeah I need security because the federal government require me to keep records and I make claims through their portal. Thatās particularly important now that what Iāve been doing for the last five years will soon become federal law.
The other thing is Iām not fond of allowing the American tech giants access to those parts of my records. Fortunately excel isnāt required for it. At this time the only American tech involved with it is MS.
Flower@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 71d
They probably still came out ahead with 7 years of use without paying subscriptions to Microsoft.
victorz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 71d
Still not what they paid for though. š
woelkchen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 71d
It's obviously a play on the common phrase that the honest guy ends up being the idiot. Not because the honest guy is stupid but because the honesty ends up backfiring. It's used all the time in video game DRM contexts.
victorz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 71d
It was obviously not obvious to me, but okay. I'll take your word for it. š
ViscloReader@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
I think it's just sarcastic
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
How is it sarcastic? I don't get it, please explain, and please explain how that makes it better somehow.
ViscloReader@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
It's sarcastic because you obviously aren't an idiot for buying a lifelong license to a product.
If anything most of the time it's supposed to be the right choice (I'm only talking about licenced product, not ownership).
Especially if it's a tool you use regularly.
At no point these people where supposed to "know better and not buy this". Microsoft just did a rugpull.
I wasn't aware of all the bullshit these companies were doing back in 2019, but I recall it wasn't full blown enshittification yet.
For your second ask, it doesn't make it better or lesser, it just adds shock value, engagement baiting.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 68d
You're presenting an argument here which is purely based on logic. I think OP is not sarcastic, but actually believes people are idiots for simply buying Microsoft products. They are just being elitist. That's my interpretation.
Could (hopefully) be wrong though! If OP gives another explanation I'm sure that'll be true.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 65d
From the OP of the original post: https://lemmy.ml/comment/26214965
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 65d
Getting a Post not found on that one.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 65d
Weird. Works fine for me. Here's the text:
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 64d
Ah okay, thank you for pasting that in for me.
I see, that makes sense, then. It was a bit hard to know that it was from that perspective. š
timewarp@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 71d
Anyone who pays to install software from a spyware company is incredibly naive to say the least
victorz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 71d
Must be like the vast majority of everyone alive that uses some kind of tech these days, then. š¤·āāļø I just felt like the title is over the top a little bit. If it had been in a comment it would've made me react less for some reason. š
timewarp@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
I get it. You're absolutely right it doesn't make them idiots. Even I'm being hyperbolic to an extent. The real issue is much bigger and doesn't stop at Microsoft. I get why people feel so powerless and end up going along with the status quo. Really, the fact that we've allowed it is more of a reflection on our collective Idiocracy.
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 71d
It's only morning here but I feel like this comment is the best interaction online I'm gonna have today.
Great response. And not because you agree with me but because it was even way more insightful than what I said.
Have a good one, friend. š«¶
Zephorah@discuss.online · 111 pts · 71d
Not sure why theyāre idiots, trying to go the non-sub option is smart, doesnāt vote for subs. Microsoft is the asshole here.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 71d
Not sure why OP is sitting here tanking these hits, but I don't think OP meant to call people who bought perpetual licenses to Office idiots. I think they're saying that Microsoft thinks they're idiots. Still, OP should have clarified that or at least answered at least one person who asked.
wols@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 71d
Because it's a repost.
If you go to the original, OP actually has the top comment explaining exactly that: "idiots" refers to MS treating their customers as such, not a judgement by OP.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 103 pts · 71d
Rossman posted a video a while ago about how Microsoft updated their site without noting they updated it to gaslight their customers into thinking it's always said that.
There's a reason these companies are trying to kill the archive sites, it lets people call them on their bullshit.
Edit: YouTube source
Th4tGuyII@fedia.io · 64 pts · 71d
I'd argue trying to avoid yet another subscription by paying upfront was an honest and good faith strategy. The problem was assuming Microsoft also acts in good faith, and wouldn't just take the money and run like they have just 7 years in.
Honestly for things like this, I would struggle to be convinced that these folks aren't entirely within their right to take back what they already bought in good faith by pirating it.
After all, perpetual means you bought a license to use that program for life, regardless of whether Microsoft wants to uphold that or not.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 71d
Disabled or pirated are not the only options:
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 71d
Since the OP specifies Mac users, as a Mac user, I find iWork perfectly serviceable. I think it's a bit controversial with its "Ribbon" on the right rather than the top, though it kind of makes sense. I don't love iWork (Writer, Numbers, and Keynote), but they are good and they come with Macs (or at the very least are free in the App Store).
I have tried LibreOffice recently, and I didn't care for it. But I am glad that such a robust free office suite is available on Windows. I believe some Linux distros ship with it, too. If I didn't have iWork, I'd probably just use LibreOffice. It's not terrible, I just have a better choice.
teohhanhui@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 71d
The few times I tried using LibreOffice, it's anything but robust. Very bad UX, and even worse, it frequently crashes and fails to recover, resulting in data loss. And I've only been using Linux for more than 10 years now.
setsubyou@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 71d
The Apple office apps are still free, but they do have an add-on subscription too now.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 71d
Yes... I was able to disable the subscription-oriented tools from Numbers (Excel) but not Pages (Word). Maybe I didn't try hard enough. They're marked so you can just not click on them, but there's a way to hide them. I did it on one, I can probably do it on the others.
They're completely free with a subscription for GenAI stuff that wasn't there before. They didn't take anything away from the free product.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 71d
Is iWork compatible with Office files though? That's going to be the sticking point for people who had been using it and lost access...
tophneal@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 71d
Yes, it opens the files and can work with them. However to save them back to the original filetype, you need to export
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 71d
As far as I can tell, yes ā and so is LibreOffice, since people are talking about that one, too. And I suspect they both have the same limitation ā encrypted Office files. So yes, I can read .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx files. I can't read Publisher (.pubx) files, but neither can Mac Office users ā Microsoft never released Publisher for Mac. I can then write them to the iWork formats. I can also take an iWork document and export to Office. I suspect Office can import iWork files. Office interoperability is mostly a solved problem, though I think there are a few outlier cases.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 71d
Itās been quite a while since I used iWork, but iWork is different than office. In some ways itās a better product - the layout and formatting in Pages is worlds ahead of Word. Itās not a clone of the Office suite, which works to its advantage.
tirateimas@lemmy.pt · 7 pts · 71d
^ This. Easy to get, easy to install, works like a charm and the license is "perpetual" you won't need bother with it ever again.
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social · 2 pts · 71d
The last Mac I put this on was determined not to let me change doc files to open with it no matter what I did. It would change it for individual files only, but not the file type. Maybe because it was m1 or something.
Epzillon@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 71d
Victim-blaming is the real stupidity here. Microsoft harasses its customers (again) and now the customers are the idiots?
This is the same type of propaganda Nvidia is trying to push. Jensen Huang saying "people should have planned better, the rising prices of hardware was imminent" is the exact same tactic of being the cause of the problem and still putting the blame of everyone else.
rapchee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 71d
imo it was sarcasm
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 71d
Well, you're not wrong, but who the heck buys a "perpetual" license for a Microsoft product unless it's for a company? And especially why pay for stupid boost water office if you could have libre for free?
If it's not stupidity then at least ignorance. Doesn't mean Microsoft is an arse for doing that.
MangoPenguin@piefed.social · 6 pts · 71d
Office used to always be a perpetual license, so nearly average person that needed an office suite bought one.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 71d
Doesn't change my point. Why pay for it? Either just use it for free or get libreoffice. If I pay a thing from a corpo like MS, behavior like that is totally to be expected. Why even be surprised?
MangoPenguin@piefed.social · 2 pts · 71d
It's different for the average person, they don't usually know about alternatives and are fine paying for software from a company like MS.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 70d
But isn't that just the definition of ignorance? I just do something I know nothing about and also don't care to inform myself beforehand?
Like me going to the garage with my car. They could tell me whatever they want and I have to believe it. That is ignorance I pay with probably spiced up bills of things I never needed.
Epzillon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 71d
Idk what reason youd have to buy that and its honestly irrelevant. Just because a company is known for being shit doesnt mean we should just accept it and start calling people stupid when they get fucked over.
"Oh you decided to get treatment from USA Medicality Corp. Inc. and they killed you and your entire family. Damn youre such an idiot theyve been killing families for years!" is a bad take if you ask me. The company should be held liable for their actions.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 71d
I never paid for a single Microsoft product.
I get your point but why is ignorance to be accepted but corpo behavior isn't? I mean sure, fuck MS for that, but who is really surprised by a US-company enshittifying their already bad crap? Can only be people who don't really know what they're doing there. Which is ignorance.
Your example kinda lacks in the regard that everyone needs insurance but noone needs Microsoft office. Otherwise same point (assuming there'd be a good free healthcare alternative): if you died because you're ignorant to the things that matter in this world, and you refused to educate or inform yourself beforehand... Well?
If I leave my front door wide open, I can't be surprised when someone comes in and robs me blind. Just because I don't know burglaries exist.
Epzillon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
The example was mostly a shitpost but it got the point across. And yes, ignorant/stupid people will always exist, en-masse actually. For varying reasons, be it cultural, education, emotional, religious or just pure ignorance, people end up in shit because they have different outlooks, needs and experiences. The reasons seldom matter to me since its usually not the victim that actively tries to end up in the shitter but the perpetrator that actively attempts to exploit them.
Luckily companies arent people, no matter how much US government wants them to be. They should, to the nit-pickiest of levels, be restricted by the law and punished when they break it.
Victim-blaming to me seems inherently ignorant in itself. How does one even come up with the idea of blaming someone whos the victim of the crime? No matter how ignorant or naive they seem. And especially when its from a well-known shit company like Microslop?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 71d
Fair point. I stand corrected. Guess I wash a bit too harsh in judgement.
TouchƩ. That was indeed ignorant of me.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 69d
The sheer idiocy of this take. Libre Office (or other open source alternatives) haven't been around forever, and paying for software you use isn't exactly an outlandish idea.
I work with Excel a lot for work. I've been tempted for a few years to buy a perpetual license for my personal machine because using the same software is just easier. I haven't, and obviously now I won't be.
But don't put down paying a reasonable price for a perpetual license for software you use often. It's thinking like that that's gotten us all-subscription options.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 69d
Just ignoring your ad-hominem... Libre's around for 15 years. Ok, if you're forced to use that shit due to work, you have not much choice. Except another job :) As I haven't worked for the last 3 decades, I don't know how much of that shitty MS still goes around. Paying, of course. But not for microsoft or most of the other US-corpos that destroy everything they touch. And even if i would be forced to pay, there are tons of grey-market OEM-keys. Get Office for some cents. If that goes extinct, buy current version for some cents. You're legit (MS doesn't care anyway, and never has) and cheap. Also if you're long enough in the market to say Libre's not been around forever, you also know that MS regularly kills products no matter how "perpetual" your license was.
Nope. It is, has been, and will be just ignorance. People who don't know better and/or don't WANT to know better and/or simply don't care at all. The sum of my subscription-costs comes down to vpn, usenet-indexer and usenet and the rest are monthly donations to several FOSS-projects. It's either lifetime-deals (expecting them to end way before MY lifetime ends) or no deals. Lifetime-deals are always a gamble though.
If people willingly pay for netflix, spotify or leased cars...well, you will own nothing, rent everything and be happy. There's a reason they can regularly raise prices and still not loose a significant portion of customers. I probably spent six-figures on steam and bandcamp/other-music-sources. Not one cent on spotify&co. And if i couldn't afford to buy, I'd pirate it. But surely would not RENT stuff.
And there has been numerous studies over the last decades as to how piracy does NOT affect sales in any noteworthy amount.
So, how is my fuck-us-bigtech-or-pirate-stance the culprit for all-subscription-options? I'm the minority :-)
magnue@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 71d
Somewhat loaded headline
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 71d
It can sometimes be annoying when news communities require posts to use an article's original headline, but it definitely makes sense at times.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 71d
Like this time
poopkins@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 71d
It's an appeal directly to the thriving community of intellectual property pirates here on Lemmy in order to make the post directly to the front page.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 71d
Notice that neither of you have refuted the veracity of the headline claim.
WrathEnchanter@europe.pub · 7 pts · 71d
You think so? I only see an acurate representation oft reality
Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 69d
I hate how people getting scammed by near monopolistic monoliths casually being fraudulent in their advertisements is them being "idiots" rather than just victims who haven't spent their whole life navigating the myriad ways billionaires are researching to more elegantly fuck us. Why consumer protection is supposed to be a thing, why anti-trust is supposed to be a thing, and people are trapped between fascists and a "tactical vote" alternative that has done very little to stop the fascists from casually dismantling these protections.
Good job media for always individualizing the problem and blaming the victims.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
Love it.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 71d
I'm not sure I'm cool with calling people 'idiots' in this scenario. We don't blame the victims of con men when they're stolen from, and this is the same thing, just on a bigger scale.
That said, here is the obligatory linking to LibreOffice: https://www.libreoffice.org/
It's free and a better choice.
architect@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 71d
We need to quit focusing on stuff like this. If somebody calls you a fucking idiot so fucking what?
And we do blame the victims constantly. The people that blame the victims do nothing but fucking win.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
And some of us ARE idiots, no need to throw us under the bus, itās still wrong to take advantage of stupid people
rapchee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 71d
i read it as sarcasm, i would write it like that, especially if i was one of them
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 71d
I read it as someone kinda being a dick, but it's the Internet. Meaning isn't always well-conveyed electronically. That's why we have the sarcasm tag.
Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 71d
Had you gone as far as the article you would have seen the disclaimer that makes it clear it's sarcasm.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 71d
I did.
The title of the article is 'Microsoft is disabling Office 2019 for Mac next month', which makes it pretty clear that the editorializing of the title here on Lemmy was intended to be a bit dickish, at least to me.
If I am wrong, cool, but it's not because I didn't look at the article.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 71d
They mean that when it was originally posted on the db0 Lemmy piracy community, there was a disclaimer to say it was sarcasm
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 71d
Well, maybe they should have clicked through to the article.
/s
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
And for anyone who says in excel I can create a spreadsheet sheet that does this amazing company defining process, I'll counter that with you can make a calculator in Minecraft. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Dvixen@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 71d
Not surprised in the least. It's all about maintaining incoming cash flow.
They cancelled my Win11 (from purchased Win10 eligible upgrade) key earlier this year when I replaced a failed motherboard.
Happy to be free of their ecosystem. Should have jumped free long ago.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 3 pts · 71d
Welcome to the other side. Breathe the free air again
Dvixen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
Thanks! Still having some problems with sound popping, but had that under Windows. >.<
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 1 pts · 70d
Which distro? I had a similar issue
Dvixen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
Mint. I've gotten the popping/crackling to a minimum, but it's still happening occasionally. (Oddly it happens most often with games that have sound disabled both by OS and via in game)
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 2 pts · 70d
It was annoying enough I saved it, I highly recommend starting some sort of docs setup so future you can remember how you fixed things. This fixed it for me, granted I was on pop but both Ubuntu based so same layers underneath.
Audio Crackling
You can fix this by increasing the minimum audio buffer size, which, in turn, will increase the overall audio latency.
It's not good for real-time professional audio recording, but it won't hurt the general gaming and multimedia experience unless you use a very high value to the point it leads to a noticeable desync with video. Test with a greater minimum quantum
This takes effect immediately, but it won't persist across reboots.
This worked for me
Increasing the minimum quantum permanently
The default is 1024.
You can revert this by just deleting the file. Alternative method
This will improve the handling of low-latency audio at the expense of overall higher CPU usage and with that, power usage.
sudo kernelstub -a threadirqs reboot
Dvixen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
So far, so good. Thanks much for this!
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 1 pts · 69d
Of course, welcome to the Linux community!
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 23 pts · 71d
Victim blaming is definitely how you win people to your side... Dumbass
architect@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 71d
Seem to have worked for this fucking shitty ass president. And his shitty ass fucking party. And Iāll be honest it seems to work for every major corporation.
The victim blaming definitely works, Just ask anybody who was raped.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 71d
I was about to purchase some legitimate licenses for MS products when this was first announced.
saved myself the money and trouble and just pirated it.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 70d
mehh I've been using Libre office for many years, fuck 'em.
tackleberry@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 69d
LibreOffice is so good I donate to the community that keeps these projects alive!
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 19 pts · 71d
classic Micro$lop
Zorcron@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 71d
OOPās comment on the original post that the cross-poster should have shared:
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 71d
Thatās not how words work
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 69d
That explanation makes it worse.
melfie@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 71d
Not even worth pirating when there are better open source alternatives.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 71d
I pirate Arch, btw
username123@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 71d
I plunder booty.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 71d
I also plunder this mans booty š
username123@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 70d
I'm blushing.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 69d
This is pretty wild to see. Based on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Office
Some people could have purchased this as late as early October 2021.
If companies are going to literally steal things from the user, then why would I buy anything from them in the future?
This is a clear sign to everyone to not buy anything from Microsoft moving forward, because they clearly think they can just take it back at any time.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 71d
Spicy headline.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 71d
It's not the headline.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 71d
Dunking on tech giants is the only kind of spice that makes modern life palatable.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 71d
Yeah, but dunking on tech giants AND their customers.
The Verge: āYou fool! You fell for one of the classic blunders!ā
homes@piefed.world · 12 pts · 71d
Microsoft constantly punishes any idiot who ever bought anything from them.
worhui@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 71d
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 8 pts · 71d
That's all it is, which is why it's so obvious they just want people to subscribe now. Very issue is the smallest thing they could do, and they can't be bothered.
Folks tell your Mac friends about Libre Office
worhui@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 71d
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 6 pts · 71d
This isn't that some architecture isn't supported or there's some new unseen dependency that failed, it's a cert expiry. Something that happens millions of times per day and can be completely automated.
worhui@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 71d
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 4 pts · 71d
Seeing how it's a trillion dollar company, I think they can spare the few pennies to renew a cert, even 50 years later to keep the "lifetime" license going for everyone. They're not asking for new features or individual support. We're all saying it's a cert. Take the few minutes to renew it.
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 71d
So that means Microsoft doesn't need to honor their contracts with users?
Interesting legal strategy, cotton.
Blindsite@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 69d
Yet another reason to stick with LibreOffice and other FOSS open source software.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 69d
ATM machine.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 68d
More like ATM Teller Machine
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 69d
Yet another reason to look for alternatives to Libre.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 69d
What lawyerspeak TOS bullshit are they going to cite as a way to avoid refunds and lawsuits?
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 69d
That's EOL and they won't do any additional support. Renew certificates is 1 hours of intern effort and 20 bucks, so fuck you.
*effort and cost made up, but l considering they made billions with office, it's basically equivalent.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 71d
If people are buying such software on their own dime, they're getting played. Happens once, OK you didn't know it was a con job. Happens twice, you're a fool...
But if it's on your company's dime, meh, not your problem.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 71d
Absolutely fair points but I think it should be illegal to sell a āperpetualā license - perpetual means everlasting - and then it turns out to not be perpetual
They should be forced to honor the perpetual contracts
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 70d
Yeah, I'd say they'd be looking at a class action suit if it weren't for the fact that it's just so easy to apply a pirate crack.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 70d
perpetually in this insatnce means, for as long as they say
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 71d
I was activating office installs for customers from the early 2000s not that long ago. Wtf happened that they are now disabling 2019?
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 71d
It turns out that in modern versions (for Mac) they inserted a timebomb that disables the license check.
"Sorry the software now is EOL we can't send an update to disable the timebomb that we set five years ago"
Users of office 2021 are luckier (for now) because it goes EOL in October, so they can receive the June patch that moves the July timebomb forward another five years
tackleberry@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 69d
LIBREOFFICE is the answer!
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 71d
All 8 users.
unnamedau@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 69d
god i love when my decisions pan out the way i want them to
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 71d
not stated by the article
The Verge article isn't making any of these ridiculous claims.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 71d
If the licensing mechanism is the same then it will in fact happen due to expiring certificates (I have not checked if it's the same)
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 71d
You're grasping. The whole OP is grasping.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 71d
Do you know how certificates work? I do. I run a cryptography forum. Expiration is the simplest of the mechanisms in certificates (it's just a date stamp and time limit rule) and it's 100% perfectly predictable what it will do.