Mormon Senator praised Trump and Pete Hegseth. The new Pentagon policy bans Mormons from the list of recognized Christian denominations. Now he is outraged.
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Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 141 pts · 18d
Here's an idea, let's not have a list of "recognized" religions at all.
And while we are at it, Mormons and Christians and all of the rest should pay taxes, they're disgusting vampires.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 18d
If we don't have a list of legally recognized religions, we won't be able to rationalize pogroms against the illegal ones.
Don't you want to purge the county of Muslims? Don't you want to send all the Jews to Israel? Don't you want all those Communist Atheists rounded up? I hear a bunch of them work for the CCP.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 17d
Nah, I want Israel to not exist
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 17d
Well, that's just antisemitism.
Mods! MODS! If this was Reddit, you'd be so banned right now.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
But it does, Blanche, it does exist!
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 18d
No, lets have that list, and tax them appropriately.
walden@wetshav.ing · 11 pts · 17d
You don't need a separate list if everyone is getting taxed the same.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 17d
"but how will we know it's a hate crime!"
-they coordinated to attack a civilian population/gather spot
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 17d
There is a valid purpose. Sikhs have special requirements for grooming. Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, and Hindus have dietary requirements. Quakers are pacifists. In general having a list of religions you're prepared to accommodate is valuable for a military
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 17d
"To accommodate the pacifists, simply don't tell them what militaries do."
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17d
It's important for drafts where pacifists often get sent to working in military hospitals or other lifesaving nonviolent roles. "You ain't allowed to kill? Cool you're gonna do nothing but save the lives of folks who can."
TraipsersWill@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16d
And UXB squads. Pacifist doesn't mean no balls/labia, and you need a big swingin' pair of 'em to sit and de-fuse a 500lb. aerial bomb.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 18d
It doesn't "ban them from a list", they're just not on the list under "Christian".
Ask any Mormon if they're just a flavor of Christian, and they'll be quick to tell you why they're better
They don't have a problem with drawing a line, they just don't like it when they're on the minority side of the line which is what this is about.
They'll call far right Christians "them" all day, but don't like being called "them" by anyone.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 18d
Thanks for pointing out that there's no ban on religions in the military. I've heard this blown way out of proportion a few times.
Keilik@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 18d
I believe this is mostly about what religious texts the military provides, clergy services and burial services. I think theres some other small things as well but it’s mostly about the military’s obligations
wjrii@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 17d
Yes, the main thing here is they're feeling a sense of Othering that they all grew up being told was a thing that happened to Mormons, but they didn't really believe it because they were loyal republicans and the majority of them live and die in the bubble of Utah and the surrounding areas, so they're a force to be reckoned with even when not the majority. Those of us who grew up Mormon (i got better!) in the Bible Belt knew that the evangelicals would never accept Mormons as fellow Christians. More understanding groups wouldn't make a thing of it, even if they have the same theological distinctions, but the Bible thumpers were always going to insist on semantic cleansing once they had their hands on the levers of power, and if the Mormons don't accept that they're only as good as Jews and Muslims, they'll get slapped down even harder by a truly Christian Nationalist regime.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 17d
I thought it was the military list of protected religious rights, meansing the Mormons would have no recourse if they were asked to do something that violated their beliefs
Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17d
Since Americans famously shrank English words due to length
Christians should pay 1/3rd more taxes than Mormons
Yours, a jew
Edit: this is a joke, I am not a Jew
Snowclone@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 17d
Anyone who grew up Mormon should have already known the largely evangelical Christian nationalists would like to destroy Mormons in the top ten wish list of people to harm if they ever get power. this isn't confusing at all. it's willfully ignoring reality.
stark@sopuli.xyz · 22 pts · 17d
It’s like Mormons don’t even know their own history.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 17d
Yeah, I grew up catholic and remain shocked most Catholics don't seem to get that they're in that same boat
hansolo@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 17d
It's shocking how little they understand that Evangelicals genuinely think Catholics are closer to Satan than Satan is.
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 17d
Which is wild, considering they're ideologically aligned. I guess the Mormons are one step too culty.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 17d
Ideologically aligned plays second fiddle to culturally homogeneous in fascism. If they're too different, they're an outgroup. How much of an outgroup only matters early on, but they're still a target, ultimately.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 17d
Their leaders are competition for the Epstein child trafficking
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17d
The Catholic church has entered the chat
Snowclone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
LDS church also, they fought having to report child sexual abuse in court and have lawyers and insurance in place specifically to prevent them from reporting child abuse. it's so fucking crazy it's unbelievable. I grew up in that church and I really don't get how anyone still attends it. other than they don't know.
Snowclone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
look at any coalition of power, it's often groups that wouldn't mind killing each other once the need for cooperation is over, and there's MANY examples of this actually happening. one Iran was free from the US puppet government, the groups that banned together to win that freedom immediately started killing or otherwise out playing each other to get their group in charge. only one of many many examples.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 17d
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 36 pts · 18d
Mike Lee is quite possibly the dumbest Senator alive.
wjrii@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 17d
Tommy Tuberville would like a word...
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 17d
The word being "uhhhh."
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17d
You mean "duhhhh"
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 17d
I was going to go with that but I thought it made him sound too smart. "Duh" has become more of an interjection or exclamation while "uh" has retained its simplicity as a marker for lack of thought.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16d
He's an owl exterminator
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 18d
Dumbest Senator Alive, Wednesdays at 8/7 Central time, only on FOX!
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 33 pts · 17d
Awww, but I’m one of the GOOD
minoritiesfascists!Leopard doesn’t care. Om nom nom.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 22 pts · 17d
everyone with a lick of hindsight knew that eventually being a straight christian wouldnt be enough if youre black, or a white christian not enough if you're gay, or even a straight white christian man if youre not the right type of white or flavor of christian
Eventually these groups cannibalize their own.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 17d
First they came for the socialists.
Then left everyone else alone.
newtraditionalists@kbin.melroy.org · 25 pts · 18d
Humans are so silly. Especially in light of how serious religious simpletons are. just the silliest little apes we are. buddy, you're just a pile of poop and water. calm down.
trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 17d
"The one thing you taught me about human beings is this / They ain't made of nothing but water and shit / Alright?"
Old Modest Mouse pointed this out eloquently.
bagsy@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 17d
Hey, senator dumb fuck, maybe dont exclude/include people based on religion.
WraithGear@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 18d
not MY abortion not MY job not MY religion
not ME!
kmirl@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 18d
But I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face...
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 18d
"But I thought it would be the eastern religions that get targeted."
Lanske@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 17d
Did i read moron senator.....
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17d
Utah baybee
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 17d
Yes!
TraipsersWill@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16d
Well, that trumpet blowin' dude on their temples is the Angel Moroni.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 17d
Norin@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 18d
Look, fuck Trump and Pete from the bottom of my heart; but Mormonism quite literally does not fit within Christian theology because they deny the divinity of Jesus.
This doesn’t need to be a religious claim on my end for it to be accurate. Christians in the US only started thinking of Mormons as part of their club because they couldn’t stomach voting for Obama as the Christian candidate over Mormon Romney.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 18d
I have it on good authority that it is the only religion that TRULY fits within the Christian theology, and it's all you other guys who are wrong.
zarathustrad@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 18d
You guys should get really mad at each other and start thousands of years of war, pain, and suffering over it. It's the Christian thing to do.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 18d
How many thousands of years of wars do you think were caused by Christians?
tempest@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 17d
At least one thousands
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
At least, two.
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 18d
I mean, most Christian dominations are rather chill nowadays and recognize each other. The differences are largely in the details and organization.
But Mormonism literally extends the Bible with some American Exceptionalism shit. Might as well list Catholicism under Judaism if sequels to holy scriptures that alter pretty much everythivg count as the same religion.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17d
I mean... kinda. My Jewish father peaced out of a Methodist service that he decided was too antisemitic for his tastes. I've sat in Catholic mass where the priest was a very thinly veiled White Nationalist. Second Baptist, in Houston, only exists because too many rich oil money shits decided the First Baptist Church was too Woke.
We're not at 30 Years War levels of interfaith schism. But there's definitely bad blood, if you know where to look.
Plenty of the American Churches do that. Hell, even the chill ones. My friends go to a Unitarians Church that do readings from the Declaration of Independence and Emancipation Proclaimation. I've been to churches that proudly hang the Stars and Stripes above the pews. One that hung the Stars and Bars, even.
That's not unique to Mormonism.
Literally what "Judeo-Christian" implies
wjrii@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 17d
They don't deny the divinity of Jesus. It's more that they have a neo-Arian view of the trinity that the godhead is one in purpose but separate in form, and Jesus is the literal son of God the father (they do NOT game out the repercussions of this in a coherent or sophisticated way, but it's what they believe). Theologically, they're sort of polytheists, but the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is an essential part of their belief system. So, it really comes down to whether you're willing to allow certain belief structures rejected by the Council of Nicaea to continue to call themselves Christian, or at least to nod politely at their self-identification, or whether you make academic theology the hill you will die on in terms of culturally significant labels adopted by ostensibly areligious bureaucracies. It sounds counter-intuitive, but there's more than one way to define a Christian.
The Mormons are absolutely reaping what they sowed by throwing in with MAGA, though, and you know the Romneys and Huntsmans are snickering somewhere with a glass of wine, which they can have because they did double-secret off-the-books Temple shit.
sartalon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17d
I grew up Mormon and can't believe who they are now. Granted I was in Jersey, so things were a little more "progressive".
But you're right, they are reaping what they showed.
I do have to say though, that the council of Nicea should be used as an example of why Christian religion is bullshit. (I think all organized religions are bullshit. Mm)
Let's get a group of guys together and decide by committee what it means.
Then change that meaning as the overarching world culture evolves over the milennia.
"You know what? I know this has been part of our beliefs for over a thousand years, but God just changed his mind."
wjrii@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17d
Ex-Mo here who grew up in Northern Florida. Where I was, the LDS community itself had to be fairly chill because there's no sense in trying to tell the kids to ignore 99% of the population for friendship and dating, and getting too publicly self-righteous just riles up the evangelicals.
Funnily enough, I also landed on the idea that all organized religion is bullshit. Not that escaping a high-pressure sect (Diet Cult?) is the only way to get there, but I do think the extraordinary truth claims the Church makes means that when we leave, we tend to evaluate all other religions in that same light, plus they were never shy about pointing out what everybody else got wrong, LOL.
sartalon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17d
Nice to hear a similar perspective from someone else.
I was fostered by someone who was the Bishop for a local branch. He was completely tolerant of everyone. Because of that time spent with him, I thought the church didn't give a shit about race or sexual orientation, they were all about community support and helping each other.
Then I went to school in Oregon and it was almost a completely different church.
I noped out of that real quick, but, as you said, it forced me to question everything about LDS, and that just naturally progressed into an overall skepticism.
I now know my experience was not the norm but when I think of my time there (I was a child so my experience was through that lens), I remember being taught to help whoever needs help, no strings attached. That every person was loved by God, regardless of who they were.
Then years later the church is a MAGA haven. I really cannot reconcile my experience with that. 🤷
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 17d
Mormons are essentially catholicism reboot (or 'Christian 2.0') . They have an entire extra book with all new jesus stories. An extra prophet. Plus there's blessed underwear and freemason style ceremonies. They also essentially have a pope.
Resemblance to Christianity or Catholicism is essentially academic.
sartalon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17d
I grew up Mormon and not sure why you got down voted.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17d
Probably by a mormon
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
Or a catholic
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16d
How dare you. Or you. Or you
buran@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 17d
I talked with two elders and they told be they believe in the succession of priesthood, they don't like the idea of someone without that knowledge being supposedly sent by God to preach without it.
And in their personal opinion agreed more with the Catholics/Orthodox in that regard, rather than the Protestants.
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 17d
As a recovering catholic, don't get me wrong they believe some silly shit but mormons are on a whole other level.
sartalon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17d
A. No they dont.
B. The holy Trinity was a blunt force tool created to try and unite the Christian sects together. God and Jesus formalized at the council of Nicea, then the holy ghost added some ~70-ish years later at the Council of Constantinople.
It was bullshit from the fucking beginning.
Anyone gatekeeping Christianity on these corny little details are the fucking worst.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 17d
"Your Jesus just isn't good enough to be included with all of our other Jesuses". smh /s
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 17d
Damn if only that religious minority wasn't racist or easily conned
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 17d
Unlike those shrewd religious majorities
starbeam@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 17d
Tear down that wall....Mormon education at work in that false equivalency
This guy has no decency, being a pedo protector. I dont believe he thinks Kegsbreath ever had some.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17d
Sure you're ______, but what kind of ______?
I wonder if the Mormans and the Evangelicals would go to war.
calebwill@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 17d
Go to war again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_War
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 18d
"tear down that wall", Hegseth has no idea what you're referring to. 😆
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 5 pts · 18d
Watching him actually show some emotion was the funniest part. Plus, Hegseth might actually know where the quote comes from, since it was a revered Republican.
deft@lemmy.wtf · 11 pts · 17d
Good fuck Mormons
qwertilliopasd@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 17d
Good! fuck Mormons!
Good fuck, Mormons.
Good fuck: Mormons.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 17d
Zero sympathy MAGA fucknut. The Christian Nationalists and Project 2025, that you voted for and support, are a reminder from getting chased out of Illinois, Missouri and almost losing in Utah. Go fly a kite racist loser!
tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 17d
Is this cringemaxxing?
PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 18d
Ho ho.....it's all smiles till the Fucker In Chief gets around to fucking you.
newton@feddit.online · 9 pts · 17d
Put all the religious lunatics in a straitjacket and send them to Uranus with spaceX and musk
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 17d
Fuck Mike Lee.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 8 pts · 18d
Recognized? We are so far gone from 1776.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 17d
Mormon Senator is a term that just begging for bad news all day long
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 17d
I like working against the wellbeing of people so long as those people aren't me. For real though Mormonism is just diet scientology.
Taldan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17d
I find it hard to believe he actually cares much. These types all value their personal power and wealth over everything else, including religion
He'll shut up and sit down like a good little Mormon when it comes down to it
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 18d
What senator is this?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17d
Mike Lee R-Utah
fireweed@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 18d
The title is bordering on misinformation. They didn't "ban" Mormons; they re-categorized them to no longer fall under the Christian umbrella.
Steve@startrek.website · 5 pts · 18d
Haha dumbass
Zink@programming.dev · 5 pts · 16d
"Religious denominations"
Uh huh. We totally believe you don't mean Christian denominations, and if you were still in the leopards' in-group you'd be using this same language to defend our muslims, jews, atheists, and even wiccans in uniform.
Fuck this guy yesterday and fuck him today too.
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 18d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 17d
Religion is a mental illness and anyone using it as a guide for anything needs to be medicated into a coma.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 17d
So what happened is they got rid of the list of Christian religions. Rather than call mormons Christian, they'd call no one Christian.
trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 17d
This is called a No True Scotsman Policy.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16d
They're talking about Christians, not Scotsmen, TrooBloo. Go Cougs, bee tee doubs
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 18d
JTskulk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 18d
Waaah my fake religion was called fake. Go cry into your magic diaper about it. I hope you go to heaven sooner rather than later.
VM_Abrantes@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17d
The military may not acknowledge Mormons, but the CIA...
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 17d
Can we see the magic plates?
TraipsersWill@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16d
You'll need emerald spectacles to read 'em.
cheeseburger@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 17d
ROFL!
Dzheyk@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 17d
I've got one this to say to this....FUCKING. HA!
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 17d
Migrants from planet kolob are also not allowed in the USA =c
guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 16d
Thumbs. They can speak.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 2 pts · 17d
Does the Pentagon classify Catholicism as Christianity, or does it still do the weird American thing?
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
Americans like making new churches when the occasion fits.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13d
It seems to me that no matter who you ate and how much you support facists, sooner or later one of them is going to come to yoy and demand you do something you have a moral problem with.
If I can figure that out, why can't this person?
phoenixarise@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Go cry in your straight edge sundae about it. You supported this.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 0 pts · 17d