I ask because I caught myself being a huge hypocrite again.
I'm a millennial and I criticized a Gen Z friend for her constant use of the word 'lowkey.'
I then realized do I not do the same thing? I often say 'sorta' or 'kinda' when I do just mean I did the thing in the same way she uses 'lowkey.'
No, I didn't 'kinda' delete a guy's account at my stupid IT job. I DELETED HIS ACCOUNT! I didn't 'sorta' leave too late for work. I FUCKING LEFT LATE!
So I am a massive fucking hypocrite who needs to just let Gen Z chill and do what the want as I am the same flavor of asshole, but what about you?
96 Comments
Up_dog@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 1d
Why use more word when less word work
queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 1d
More word sometimes make talk pretty and precise, but sometimes opposite. Words hard :(
Up_dog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 22h
s** world 🐟🌎
LessAmbitious@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
Oceans. Fish. Jump. China.
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 23h
Why more? Less word work
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 20h
More? Less.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 8 pts · 18h
? .
Malica@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 17h
It can subtly influence meaning
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 20h
For decoration, signalling emotional state, and to play with words.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h
unga bunga, genius!
queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone · 61 pts · 1d
Filler words carry meaning, even if they don't have specific definitions in context. Like, "like" has a dictionary definition, but if you use it as, like, a filler word, you aren't using that definition (necessarily), but it still conveys something about how the speaker is thinking. They don't just pop up in speech at random. I like catching them and trying to interpret why speakers insert them where they do.
Like, "lowkey" is
usually* sometimes used to soften harsh language e.g. "I'm lowkey gonna murder Sarah if she doesn't stop chewing her gum with her mouth open". Kinda how "kinda" works as a filler to tone down whatever is being said. I don't actually want to murder Sarah, I just kinda want to murder her. I don't even know if I would call them "proper filler words" in the same sense that "like" is, since they do have a particular function that "like" as a filler lacks. More research is needed it seems.For me, I let 'em fly. If I had to deliver a speech I would probably include fewer than I usually use in casual conversation, but I don't hold with the rule that they're strictly to be avoided. I think they're neat.
* edit: I just know how I've heard it used, I have no idea how it's usually used. I'm lowkey not in the lowkey demographic.
Klear@piefed.world · 26 pts · 1d
I'm lowkey literally gonna murder Sarah.
queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 1d
Lowkey slay.
blackbrook@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 22h
I heard someone use "literally" the other day in a way that made absolutely no sense, even in the not-literally-correct way we've all gotten used to. Almost like its heading for the sort of fits-anywhere role that "fucking" has.
Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 5h
I wonder how many fuckings could be fit into a single grammatically correct sentence.
Fuck is fucking fucked.
For fuck sake this fuck fucked up the fucking, fucking.
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 19h
“Like” can also be a softener.
“I ate like 20 corn dogs” is different than “I ate 20 corn dogs.”
The former means a larger than standard number of corn dogs, maybe six or seven. The latter means twenty.
It has other practical uses as well.
theherk@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Yeah, I think some is phatic and some is to subconsciously maintain rhythm to hold attention. Both of which are not only fine, but if not abused, preferred in many contexts.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h
i concluded lowkey is similar to "down low", personally. a bit like keep this quiet, but....
Apeman42@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 1d
No, I mean I don't use them needlessly or whatever. I kinda use them to sorta let my thoughts buffer.
LeftReddit2@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I mean like it's kinda like fuck man like you know like it's kinda sorta like fuck man like fuck you know man like sorta kinda like fuck man like fuck man you know like it's kinda like-
victorz@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
The curse-filler version of the rainbow wheel.
Imhotep@feddit.fr · 1 pts · 19h
You have a good point there, English is a quite efficient language (which gets shortened even more, like saying "o" instead of zero) and this maybe leaves less time to think.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1d
For some reason, I have an incredibly difficult time not saying like.
I bet if there were a word cloud of mymost commonly used words of all of my posts, "like" would be the sun in my fucking word solar system.
Cheesus@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1d
This is super common on the west coast of Canada (and I assume the United States as well.) Most of my friends from there say it constantly.
Filler words are normal, and every language has them.
tal@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 18h
It's got California origins in the US, but it's spread.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_girl
4am@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 1d
Um, like, no?
deHaga@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 1d
You know what I mean?
Pumafred9@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I do, at the end of the day.
Cherry@piefed.social · 18 pts · 23h
IRL I often use too few filler words and get perceived to be blunt or direct. So I think there is a middle ground.
Pistachio@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 23h
I've been pretty aware of fillers from an early age and had a similar problem
Cherry@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23h
I come from low socioeconomic so often a few words was enough. As I have grown and travelled I have adopted fillers, esp when writing. I often feel like I use too many which feels like I am betraying my natural way of communicating. But this also boosted by my likely ADHD. It’s usually too much, or too little, I just can’t get that middle ground.
Pistachio@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 23h
So, similar background, and my issue is that, as I've traveled, widened my circle, and now (in my late 30s) made my way into higher education; I somewhat refuse to use the expanded vocabulary that these more "sophisticated" circles prefer. I feel like I'm exposing myself to thee parts of society in order to bring the better parts of it and ways of thinking back to help build my preferred community, but knowing that the only why I can bring it back is if I maintain the "local lingo" if you will. Otherwise, I feel I'll be seen as an outsider.
I think I may have gone pretty hard and to the left of what we were originally talking about...but this is the internet, I may have just needed to scream into the void. Idk, but that constant strive for a middle ground is a familiar feeling.
Cherry@piefed.social · 3 pts · 22h
I understand that and unfortunately the industries I work in expect waffle and showiness. The weird thing is in almost every exit interview my bosses tend to mention the appreciated my frankness. It must just slip out. I do get tired of the pretentiousness. It may not be that for a lot of people but that’s how it feels, like a linguistic game.
blackbrook@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 21h
You can adapt how you speak to the people you're talking to. In fact most people do that somewhat automatically, but you can consciously encourage it to happen more fully.
Pistachio@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 21h
I do to a point, but there is intended refusal on my part when speaking with those that I get the impression that they do so to be impressive, especially in higher ed.
In a big believer in knowing how to and practicing the ability to speak to the least formally educated among us is a more valuable skill than is using the longest and most sophisticated words I can muster. I know the words, and I CAN use the words, but why? Especially if it runs the risk of someone around me feeling like they can't or shouldn't engage due to societal pressures of inadequacy. Fuck that noise.
I have often felt like I don't belong in the space I am occupying for similar reasons, I would hate to be the reason someone else felt that way.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
like, totally!
Michal@programming.dev · 14 pts · 1d
I'm always annoyed by the term lowkey, because in music, low key means lower pitch, and not low in volume. It's essentially bass, and my brain cannot comprehend how it could mean what it's supposed to mean.
ExperimentalGuy@programming.dev · 5 pts · 1d
How do you feel about lowkirkenuinely
bequirtle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 22h
It's a photography term for low lighting
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22h
i think you probably still have the meaning wrong, as i concluded it is the equivalent of "down low",which to me is saying "don't want this to go public". you know, don't want people to notice. sensitive topic. yadda yadda.
either way, over used. i remind my 10 yo when i notice him doing it. i point out such phrases lose meaning when overused. they become fillers, not information.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
wattanao@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1d
I think the meaning is still valid, bass is low key and generally lowkey, it isn't overly noticed in a band or song.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
What if they mean it like Loki?
neuroneiro@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 11h
Do you
needlesslyuse filler words?AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 21h
I grew up in a house with a swear word jar, and a filler word jar. The swear word jar worked differently than most. We didn't put a quarter in every time we used a swear word. We put a dollar in every time we use a swear word incorrectly or as a filler word. According to my parents, "profanity should be used as punctuation and emphasis, not decoration."
The filler word jar worked like a normal swear word jar. $0.25 in the jar for each and every filler word we used. Since this was in the '80s and '90s, we learned to think about what we said before we started speaking.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 17h
No
tal@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 18h
I, like, totally do!
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 7 pts · 22h
It's only when I see "lowkey" used to mean the exact opposite of its intended meaning, and without being sarcastic that I get annoyed. If it's hella loud and/or flashy, that shit is not lowkey, kiddos.
elephantium@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19h
Eh, think about "bad" in the 90s.
Drusas@fedia.io · 2 pts · 16h
I'm not sure I see how the two are comparable here.
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 11h
I like the extra verbosity. When used in moderation anyway. A little bit of seasoning for my sentences.
Gumus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 7h
Exactly. As a non-native speaker, I sometimes intentionally add these words to make my speech sound less formal and more casual.
On the other hand, most of the time I talk with other non-native speakers, so I'm not even sure they notice.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
I rather enjoy the greatly increased verbal verbosity that can be attained. However, I do generally prefer this effect when attained in relative moderation, it must be said. This way i provide only a small, tolerable, amount of verbal seasoning to the sentences i produce.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17h
Wouldn't call it 'needless' exactly.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 16h
I'm ready for people to move on from describing 85% of things as "unhinged".
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 12h
Your comment is completely unhinged
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 13h
His actions were completely hinged
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
Is this like a politically correct thing anyway? Because people are starting to say that describing things as "moronic" or "Insane" is ableist, and it seems to be young leftists who use 'unhinged' rather than anyone else
A: "I uninstalled my dating apps this week"
B: "No way! You must be totally un-hinged!"
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 20h
I, you know, low-key do sometimes, ahem, use, like, some, ahem, filler, ahem, you know, words, right.
No really, I do. Not as bad as above "sentence." But I tend to sprinkle some "basically" and "just" into each comment I make.
And yes, I hate when others do it.
Lexam@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Hmm, well, uh, maybe?
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6h
Yes I use needless filler words, but i use them because I need them ;)
Low key is a really egregious one though because it is not designed to be a filler word. The thing about filler words is that every adverb is a filler word, as neuroneiro points out. Using them less makes you sound confident and precise. Sometimes they are useful or necessary. But by definition - a filler word. It is likely our overuse of adverts which trains us to use filler words like sort of, low key, kind of
zxqwas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
I use "umm... " and "uuuh..." to let my thoughts buffer when I talk.
I would like to think I don't use filler words but this is a good opportunity for some self reflection. Thank you.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 20h
Yes
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 19h
Short and to the point. Gotta hand it to you.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 22h
I think I understand what you're talking about. I wouldn't classify the extra words I use as strictly "filler" words. My phrasing is designed to avoid speaking in absolutes. I'm sure it was intentional at one point but it's been a habit for so long that it's become automatic.
I've considered why I do this and come up with a few reasons. First, because I routinely doubt myself. Even on topics where I am an expert. Imposter syndrome is real. Second, because I often find myself having to deliver news that the other person(s) doesn't want to hear and I feel like it helps "soften the blow." And third, to give myself the feeling of plausible denyability; even if there really is none. e.g. "I said could happen, not would happen."
TLDR: Because I doubt myself and want to avoid conflict.
But there are times when I will drop the fillers. And it's not really a conscious effort. If I'm talking about something I feel morally responsible for, I will drop the bullshit and get straight to the point. It happens when I've decided that I'm going to die on this [proverbial] hill and that doing what I think is right outweighs any potential consequences. I can coun't on one, maybe two hands where I've felt I had to choose between a job or a friend and my personal ethics.
In those moments, the fillers go away because my choice is already made.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 19h
For sure, I do. I also think that's normal, because you sometimes need filler to let your brain catch up with your words. The filler words I find annoying are the ones that don't "fit" the context, but that's subjective, and younger people probably think "low-key" fits more often than I do.
flubba86@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 14h
Yes, I definitely do. It's because my brain runs quite slowly, slower than I talk. So I often need to put in filler words to let my brain catch up. Or I repeat the same thing I just said but in a different way.
It's odd how the brain can kindof pre-load the mouth with a sentence, then while the sentence is playing, it hunts for the next sentence to cue. If the next sentence is not ready yet, then the mouth goes into autopilot. It puts in filler words to make the sentence longer, and loops back on other things I've already said.
Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 6h
I was always told when younger to make sure brain is engaged before opening mouth because i would get lost mid sentence if it wasn't planned out
flubba86@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
Yeah,I can relate. I've been recently starting to learn how to make my communication more concise, that helps with getting to the point, and not getting lost mid-sentence.
CombatWombat@feddit.online · 3 pts · 1d
I like, had like a serious like problem with like filler words, like as a 90s kid in like SoCal, but like, I've mostly like overcome it
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h
such words can be useful to signal being slightly uncomfortable about the fact... when not overused. i see your point, of course!
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 22h
Yeah overusing fillers sucks, you know what I'm saying?
alternategait@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21h
Maybe you let your friend know you realized you’re a hypocrite?
wattanao@fedia.io · 3 pts · 1d
I do, but I try to catch myself from saying uh and um between sentences. Similarly, I've noticed I have a habit of breathing in sharply after I say something, which I'm sure no one else notices but I feel is still annoying.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22h
since childhood i hve had a tendency to exhale before answering and people conclude i am sighing as if i am burdened by having to entertain the topic at hand. does not help my social standing.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 30m
The Title should be "Do You Use Filler Words?" not "Do You Needlessly Use Filler Words?". At least I really, really, really think so. /s
Malica@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 17h
We're all hypocrites, it happens, just don't let it happen with important shit.
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
Fuck no!
zecg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I sometimes correct zoomers if something is actually high key.
klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol · 3 pts · 23h
I mean, like, sorta kinda yeah
We all do, yeah. I just try and delete them when I'm writing anything for my blog. My big one used to be "technically," and at this point I'm debating installing something that shocks me every time I type the word "realistically" because I use it way too much.
For me it's a lack of confidence thing. Sorta/kinda/etc are there for their own reasons, I have a few theories but haven't actually looked into it much
Malica@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 17h
Mine is "evidently"
Nonprophet@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
My fave was when a GenZ said, in all seriousness, that they were 'starting to think Andy Warhol was LOWKEY obsessed with celebrities'!!!
Imhotep@feddit.fr · 2 pts · 19h
I'm the opposite in a way, I tend to look for a specific word and when I can't find it right away it can make for awkward pauses in my speech. I'm working on it.
But when I was younger, sure, tons of filler words. It gets better
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
I prefer the pause. Especially when it's followed by thoughtful responses.
hissingmeerkat@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 22h
uhh NO!?
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
Uhhh idk like um maybe
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21h
I use "really" and "very" way too much.
When editing my writings, I keep an eye out for those words especially, and either delete them or replace them. So, instead of "very happy", I might write "thrilled" or "ecstatic."
new_world_odor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21h
Oh definitely. The way I use language changes drastically based on the situation. I try to avoid it as much as I can - which means I still end up using them plenty often enough lol. And that's the biggest culprit right there, appending 'lol' in text to come across more agreeable/chill.
I do find it interesting how the filler words differ between generations. Lowkey I mix slang from millenials, gen z, and just a splash of gen x. Whatever suits the scenario and my mood :D
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 5h
Er, no.
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
I try not to. When I catch myself doing it, I remind myself not to.
grue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
I need my filler words!
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 3m
Usually meant to increase the degree to which I'm being absurd or facetious. It's a manner of showing contempt for the thing I'm describing. I use it to joke more than with actual dialog.
But "kinda" probably happens in my daily vocabulary to such a degree that I'm unaware how much I use it. So, despite using this sort of word deliberately in certain situations, I'm also very guilty of using it everywhere else.
Danarchy@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 1d
It’s a form of verbal punctuation
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2m
I mean... For real, yeah, I guess, kinda lowkey.
BitsAndBites@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
It's a continued training for me to eliminate these filler words. I try to remind myself that space between words is OK. Silence is ok and actually much needed in our society. Give yourself a second to form your next thought in silence. Yes it's uncomfortable at first to adjust the habbit. But similar to meditation, dont be hard on yourself when you use a filler word again. Just the repeated act of noticing trains that muscle.
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 22h
Uhhh, no I mean I don't think I uh, huh, use filler words.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 17h
I wouldn't call you a hypocrite, let alone a massive fucking one, but definitely self-absorbed and guilty of overgeneralizing one person to a whole generation - which is not only grossly inaccurate but I think is more significant than being annoyed by throwaway words, which is more of a little pet peeve. Do you srsly categorize your friends as "my GenZ friend" or "the boomer guy I work with" etc? That's kinda fucked up, and I say "kinda" because it's not like you burned down an orphanage or anything.