256 GB model: $1,059 USD
1TB model: $1,299 USD
Preorder list randomized, goes out Sept 17th
Power supply not included, costs $29 (same as Steam Deck power supply)
3rd party addon available for color passthrough, Arcturus Vision Camera, $149
Steam Frame Release
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe
311 Comments
brockhold@lemmy.world · 126 pts · 2d
Cheaper than expected given the economic hellscape, still more than the Index. Oh well. Glad they are attempting to prevent scalping, sad that it means that there's a random draw to be able to buy them. Still trying to buy one. I figure the 256GB model will be entirely fine, especially with the SD card expansion slot. Pity that you can't upgrade the storage like the Deck, but oh well.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 42 pts · 2d
My intended use case is 100% streaming from my PC so the fixed/low storage doesn't even bother me.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
According to the Gamers Nexus review, playing locally on the Frame (i.e. not streaming) can reduce latency by 15-20ms. That's actually noticable
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 21h
Which makes sense, but the sort of games I play in VR are not going to be supported on local play. I play a lot of flight/space/driving sims with additional controllers light flight sticks, yokes, and steering wheels.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 1d
Unless you're using it entirely as stand alone I'm not certain of needing the 1TB version truthfully.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · -17 pts · 1d
Nice to see you finally being honest.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 1d
Stalker vibes much?
tehmics@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1d
To be fair theres like 12 of us on Lemmy
neidu4@piefed.social · 10 pts · 1d
There are dozen
sof us!Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1d
dozen*
neidu4@piefed.social · 5 pts · 1d
Hence the strike through markup
Snapz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
12 and Richard, but he's not included in the official count because FUCK YOU, RICHARD...
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 7 pts · 1d
I like your shirt today but yesterday's was fine too.
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 1d
Well, I thought it was funny.
Prosopasoft@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
Why does Satan’s cum have maggots in it? Does bro not clean his dick?
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
Tbh, it's Satan's partner's cum. The grammar suggests that Satan is the one letting loose the cumfart, implying he's the bottom
Prosopasoft@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 12h
So, Trump isn’t washing his teeny-tiny peener?
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1d
Extra protein for their sex slaves.
Also, it is hell, why would anyone clean anything?
Prosopasoft@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
(/¯ ಠ_ಠ)/¯
How tf are you more unhinged than me
10/10 please end my sufferin’
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Did you make a new account?
I blocked one of yours because your comments are always rage-bait drivel and I'm not 13 any more so I don't find the funny:rude ratio good enough to waste my time with you.
MolochAlter@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1d
Less than the index once you account for inflation.
The index would cost 1300$ in today's money, give or take.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 16 pts · 1d
I expect this is why the accessories are so expensive. The ergo kit really should not cost that much, but they may have just increased the price of that so they could keep the base price of the Frame itself lower.
tehmics@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
I'm hoping third parties have accessories out by the time it drops. I'd rather buy a boboVR kit at half the cost or something
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
Valve's also said they're considering releasing a strap later on with more adjustments, better speakers, and hot-swappable batteries
bigbangdangler@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 1d
For the life of me I cannot imagine that anything running locally on the Frame would need enough bandwidth from storage to not be able to run it off of SD anyway. For anything using the emulation layer, it's sure to be slow enough where one won't notice. For anything running ARM native, it's sure to be simple enough that one won't notice.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 22h
the only use I can thik of for needing the larger storage capacity is for a large number of games that you want to have very short loafing times for, like playing a single round of beat saber.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
Considering theres not many games and im assuming the bulk of the game devs are going to release a modified apk of their meta quest version, or scale back the PC port so it rubs via fex (less likely IMO)
Most good games on the quest tapped out at around 8-12 gigs, and im assuming that's what a bulk of people are going to running considering most vr games made games where either made for, or designed for the quest first and foremost.
That and its the same hardware just running through valves version of waydroid which I can only assume is more performant than running a x86 pc game through fex, and using something like fsr to upscale it? Maybe foviated tracking comes in a lot more clutch than I think it will. But I don't know honestly im just assuming.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 7 pts · 1d
Yeah, but think of all the VR porn!
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d
How could I forget the whole reason we as a species probably even tried to make vr.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I don't get why people say "theres not many games" about VR. Have you looked on Steam?
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d
I have, its still the same games I played like 2-4 years ago now, the only real big change is a lot of games I already own became vr compatible.
I'm sure theres a bunch of small indie games, or racing Sim kind of stuff that got added but just pure quantity isn't what i mean. Otherwise I would just point at the meta quest store and say look how many clones of gorilla tag theres tons of stuff to play.
At one point we had medal of honor making vr games, and there where active lobbies for many games. We had many many growing YouTube channels dedicated around vr that where growing, and now sit stagnent at around 10k views.
If you are looking for a large back catalog of games then sure steam has a ton and many great titles. But they're often much shorter experiences, ot lesser of a game. Thats much different from when theres actual momentum going and there's hype around new releases of games, and people are actually there to make mods or be in lobbies for said games.
I'm not saying this because I'm saying vr sucks or theres only 5 vr games. I'm saying this because I am worried its not going to make a bump like how I wanted. In some other universe the steam frame was sold for 700 USD and everyone rushed to buy one, and devs rushed to make friendslop games for vr and it all kept getting bigger.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Game lobbies and multiplayer in general are not a big concern for me, for both VR and flat games. I can see how if you're just looking for multiplayer games in VR the options are limited. I have enough to keep me entertained without that and my Index gets regular use still. My kids have several multiplayer games they like in our VR catalog though.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 1d
The price I expected for the main unit, but I'm kinda pissy with them wanting an extra $60 for a few straps. That price seems kinda bullshit.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 19h
Not just a few straps but they are required to use all of the features of the controllers.
It also makes it a lot more comfortable on your head. I was considering it until I saw that cash grab nonsense. So, yeah. I'm a little pissy too.
dmir@gehirneimer.de · 68 pts · 2d
I'm happy it's here and probably will get one down the line. Equally as mad that it's surely gone up in price thanks to all the AI and other bullshit, not only not costing less than Valve Index (as had been originally rumored, I think), but more.
Super sour about the not included PSU. Hate it about the smartphone market, too.
But as a VR enjoyer, I'm still happy.
artyom@piefed.social · 11 pts · 1d
I have like 3k of these things, so personally I'm very happy to not have to spend another $30 on a worse one that's just going to get chucked in a drawer anyway.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 4 pts · 1d
I feel the same way about smartphones not including chargers. The third-party charger that I already have is likely better than whatever charger comes with the phone, so the one that comes with the phone will just go unused. I understand that manufacturers are not going to "pass the savings onto the consumer" when they don't include a charger, but at least it doesn't feel like e-waste. I felt the same way about the headphones that would come with devices for a while. Just a waste that I will never use.
On the other hand, having a stock charger could aid in troubleshooting by offering a baseline of sorts. Being able to say "I can't do X, even with the stock charger" can go a long way. Without the stock charger, tech support could wonder if maybe your third-party charger is to blame for your issue. The other benefit of included chargers are when the device uses some weird charging technology or something that makes the included charger actually better for that device than the third-party one that I already have.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1d
Tbh, we've collectively been getting so many usb chargers and cables with devices over the years that most people probably don't need more of them. I'm generally fine with it being an optional accessory so long as 3rd party options work since it reduces E-waste and somewhat reduces the price for people who already have chargers
d00ery@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
For me at least I don't use any of my original usb device chargers. I have a GaN charger with 2 cables by the sofa and one by my desk.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 1d
I totally use the 45w charger that came with my steam deck oled. It's nice. This looks to be the same one.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 1d
Whatever they would have added as an PSU and have you pay for it a premium, you can buy for next to nothing online with better features and performance, while not generating a bunch of e-waste if you don't need one (like me - i doubt they would have added a 100W charger with 2 USB-C ports).
Edit: Just saw they want 39€ for a 45W PSU with a 2.5m cable - go buy something better for cheaper, for real. If you are strapped for cash, this one delivers 100W with one port for under 17€: https://www.amazon.de/PAEBAI-Ladeger%C3%A4t-Netzteil-Pixelbook-ThinkPad-rosa-wei%C3%9F/
iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Careful with some very cheap very powerful GaN chargers. The lowest corner cutting ones have really poor components insulation and can burn easily (or toast your very expensive USB device). I have access to the cheapest ones... And i was very lucky that the laptop didn't fry. I expend more on reputable brands now.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 1d
The situation in Europe and Amazon is at least not as bad as when buying directly from China. I myself invested a bit more for a charger with 2 USB ports and 100W, which cost me around 30€ - still cheaper than the one from Valve (I have one of those too, but that one is currently on 18650 Recharge Duty)
Kirk@startrek.website · 6 pts · 2d
As someone who has never played with VR much but would consider a Steam Frame in the future what kind of things do you enjoy it with?
riskable@programming.dev · 42 pts · 2d
The VR game is Beat Saber, hands down. Hands up. Hands down. Hands up. Hands down.
Kirk@startrek.website · 5 pts · 1d
Oh I would 100% get that one but also I'm not looking to spend $1k purely on VR novelty games
scoobford@piefed.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 1d
Former vive owner here. Beat saber isn't a novelty it is legitimately something to spend dozens of hours on. I'm buying either a frame or a used index specifically for beat saber.
riskable@programming.dev · 7 pts · 1d
Dozens? 👀
I'm the number one beat saber player in the world because nobody told me these things!
https://beatleader.com/ranking/1?sortBy=playCount
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
That's impressive. Would you recommend this game to newbies?
riskable@programming.dev · 4 pts · 1d
Absolutely! Beat Saber is the best!
I'm in the GENX clan where we have grandmothers capturing maps for the clan by getting some absurd level of accuracy on 1-5 ⭐ (aka super easy) maps. Clan Wars on BeatLeader is a silly thing that doesn't mean anything in particular but it still amazes me that someone in their 60s can play a VR game and actually make a real, quantifiable difference.
On our Discord you can see the BeatLeader Clan Wars announcements in the "Battle Dispatch" channel. On any given day you really could see something like:
EvilKittyMom captured BREAKSH!T Hard for GENX, getting 98.17% ACC(That's an imaginary name I just made up to protect the totally guilty party that often steals my thunder 🤣)
It's so much fun, I love it! ❤️
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
How...how many dozens of hours you spend on it to be #1?
riskable@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1d
Dozens of dozens!
I play about an hour every day unless I'm sick, away, or (painfully) injured. I think my most recent play streak was over 6 months of playing every day without a single day off.
I'm a 48yo, BTW 😁👍
ericwdhs@discuss.online · 3 pts · 1d
I agree with the other guy. Beat Saber is not a novelty game. It's easy to have short, self-contained experiences with it, but that's not the same thing. It's extremely fun on its own merit and worthy of putting dozens to hundreds to thousands of hours into it. I would also put it at the very top of the "exercise game" genre (see a lot of stuff on the Wii), because of how well it masks being very active behind just being fun and because getting better at the game ties more directly to you physically getting better than just about any other game.
That said, I think it's only a 10/10 game if you're willing to mod it to add custom songs (there's literally hundreds of thousands the community has mapped) and a 6/10 game if you aren't. I haven't bought any of the DLCs, so maybe it's an 8/10 with those. I think the modding is extremely easy, but I also know there are a lot of people not interested in doing that even when it's literally a couple clicks.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 2d
Half Life: Alyx, Beat Saber, Superhot, Budget Cuts, Space Pirate Trainer, Waltz of the Wizard etc. are all great VR games. If you like horror games, the FNAF series, The Forest, etc. also has some great VR games.
There are other tangentially fun things to do with VR, too. I watch movies in BigScreen with friends and family sitting on a virtual couch together. VRChat is fun to just meet and chat with people. This headset also plays 2D games, which I'm intrigued by, both on headset and streaming. I can stream Steam games on my Quest headset, too, but it's lower resolution on the Quest 2.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
I'm happy with the fex coming out that someone is very likely to get all the unreal engine vr mods to play nicely with Linux. So many community projects showed up on github when the steam deck came out, just having a dedicated community based around a standard piece of hardware seems to bring enough hype to get shit done. Really excited for the possibility of arch64 Linux phone distros that people make due to this.
Other than that I'm worried theres not enough vr games, and I'm highly certain the steam frame isnt going to bring a new wave of vr devs like the quest 2 did.
Most the vr games I played consistently where multiplayer and have all died off, and for me theres not much else, the other titles its more of a novelty. Majority of titles are the equivalent of walking the plank simulator and charge 20 bucks still, while still feeling like an shitty free game off the google play store.
I'd want it for all the other things like 3d modeling, or other weird applications that are more tinkering focused. I'm excited that its Linux I might be able to set up some kind of UI/HUD, or actually engage with the hardware in some meaningful way. I just don't see vr taking off again to the point where I can justify 1k USD purchase, I pretty much only played 1 game when I had a quest and the measly 300 dollars the quest costed was hard enough to justify so I could play a single 10 dollar multiplayer game.
ericwdhs@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
I think it's fine if VR stays niche. The tech alone is compelling enough to not disappear even if Valve themselves never make another headset, and the work by hobbyists and tinkerers keeps getting better and more expansive every year, so the path is upwards regardless.
Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 1d
If you've never tried it, Google Earth VR is tons of fun! I don't know what it is about looking at little miniature cities, but it's just so compelling. Also fun is when you turn on human-scale and actually have to look up at the buildings and such as you walk or fly through the city.
ericwdhs@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
I notice you left off any mention of VR mods. I think some of those are actually the best VR experiences available today, so please give them a look if you haven't.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 1d
I use VR primarily for seated simulation games. Flight sims, racing, space... VR brings a whole new level of immersion and situational awareness that makes these sort of sims better, and makes me better at playing them.
Kirk@startrek.website · 1 pts · 1d
One of the few times I played around with VR was a racing game and it was awesome, but I'm not a big racing games person so my concern is that the $1200 headset would not add much value beyond the quick thrill of adding VR to a few games
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d
Why are you asking if your response to every example use case is "that's just a novelty"? All games are novelties in one sense or another. What are you looking for?
Kirk@startrek.website · 1 pts · 1d
Guess I'm not True Gamer™ enough for you sorry!
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 1d
"Narrative but VR", "simulation or strategy but VR" sound like novelties to me.
I don't think VR is for you mate, and that's okay.
Kirk@startrek.website · 1 pts · 1d
why are you so confrontational lmao I don't interrogate your tastes
Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I Expect You to Die, the game series. Funny room escape secret agent story game series. Does a great job of utilizing VR controls and room layout without requiring you to leave your seat. Also has an interesting story to it.
Kirk@startrek.website · -1 pts · 1d
Looks awesome thanks for sharing
Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Do you liek trains? Derail Valley Simulator, a game that started out as funny physics meme turned hyper realistic train engineer job simulator. You get to realistically drive big chugga chugga choo choo - or a diesel electric if you're boring. They also have the funny pump handle cart
Kirk@startrek.website · 4 pts · 1d
Lmao imagine asking someone on Lemmy if they like trains OF COURSE I LIKE TRAINS
starchylemming@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
https://store.steampowered.com/app/451010/Kittypocalypse/
Pick something fun and short (not skyrim vr) for having something heavy on your face makes everything exhausting and sweaty. Beatsaber sounds dumb but its the perfect fit for the medium Hmm actually cut that, the perfect fit for the medium is porn
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 3 pts · 1d
I think some of the best VR games are unofficial ports of flat games like Jedi Outcast or Alien Isolation. In my opinion VR is the definitive way of playing Doom 3.
detren@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
To add to this: there’s also mods for most new resident evil games, Minecraft, Neon White, Outer Wilds, Firewatch, and A LOT more. Beardo Benjo is pretty decent at covering these.
5too@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Minecraft should work pretty well in it via ViveCraft, if you're comfortable modding. It officially supports Linux play
Endlessvoid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I'm blown away that no one has mentioned lone echo 1 and 2. IMO they are the crown jewel of the best use of the VR medium for immersive gameplay and story telling, surpassing even half life alyx.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 2 pts · 1d
Because they had asked for recommendations on what to do with a Steam Frame, but those are Oculus exclusives.
Endlessvoid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Damn, you are correct, I could've sworn I played them through steam VR but my memory isn't that great these days. Wonder if pirating them and adding them into steam as a 3rd party title is possible.
detren@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
I remember there was a way to play these games on other headsets but I think the project got abandoned. Maybe someone will pick it up again.
Kirk@startrek.website · 1 pts · 1d
This is exactly what I was curious about, I'd never heard of these. Thanks!
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 1d
I loved The 7th Guest VR
Meatwagon@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1d
I really enjoy VR chat. My IRL friends go to movie worlds there to stream anything we want and watch it together regularly, although you don't need a headset for that just makes it more fun.
You can also do No Mans Sky and Subnautica in VR. I did it for the Forest and that was fun.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1d
Simracing for me. Automobilista 2 in VR is sublime.
agentTeiko@piefed.social · 60 pts · 1d
I wish it was cheaper but I would rather have VR without Meta at the wrong time and not great price than VR with Meta and the right time and great price.
NoDignity@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
Same here, I did love that the gamers nexus video opened with a comparison of the terms and privacy policy of meta and valve just to show how buying a Quest may be cheaper but it costs a lot more than the money you exchange for it.
teslekova@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 1d
Actually not terrible. Wow.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -18 pts · 1d
$1050 is not terrible for you? Ok...
blah42@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 1d
I think a lot of people were worried that it would be ~2k from the way they were talking.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 1d
So still terrible but slightly less so? Specially considering the accessories (except the charger) are required according to reviewers. So the "real" minimum price is like $1400. And on top of it all it has monochrome passthrough? I really don't see why people would buy this thing. I really wanted to get one but can't justify the price.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 17 pts · 1d
They said they were going for a price under the Index 999€ price point.
Then the rampocalypse happened, and they said they weren't going to make it. I was expecting a 1200€ minimum.
So only being like 50€ over their target is not really bad.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -4 pts · 1d
Well, it is highly likely that at least some of the accessories were at one point just part of the base product. So I think they were off by quite a bit more than $50. Even so, being above an already pretty high target price IS bad imo.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
The accessories are only $50 total besides the charger. So no, the "real minimum price" isn't $1400. Quit fucking lying
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -8 pts · 1d
Accessories kit - $60 Charger + cable - $30 Headstrap + headphones and battery - announced, no price yet. Please note that, for some reason, there is no 3.5mm jack. If you want to use an external battery and headphones, you'll have to buy some sort of splitter.
So yeah, far lower at $1149. It's still way too expensive.
Lastly, take a chill pill. Sounds like you need it.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
The accessories kit is really the only "mandatory" thing on this list due to the hand straps for the controllers. The top strap for the headset seems to be personal taste with some people hating it and some people needing it.
Most people already have chargers and cables for this, even for 45W.
This has been a thing with smartphones and motherboards for years. This is too old to actually ve an argument anymore. If someone wants to use 3mm jack they most likely already have a splitter
That's not really even announced yet. It's an "fyi we're wanting to drop this in a few months" they told reviewers
Quite being pedantic just because you got called out for being wrong.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -5 pts · 1d
You need to use a double linebreak after a quote to separate your response btw.
Do you have any type of source for this? I know plenty of people that only have a 15/20w charger for their phone.
It's been a problem for years, yes. That doesn't make it less of a problem. Also, I've yet to see a single motherboard that doesn't have a 3.5mm jack. Lastly, why would you assume that they'd have a splitter? Now you're not only expected to have dongles but also splitters? For a device that costs over 1k? Honestly, you're playing yourself if you really think this isn't an issue.
That's irrelevant. If you want to use it standalone or for a long period of time, this "accessory" will be a requirement.
Having a different opinion is not something you can be right or wrong about. There's this wonderful thing called "points of view". You might want to look into it.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 23h
Why is everyone so concerned with passthrough these days? MR apps are the worst XR apps of them all
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 21h
IYKYK...
All jokes aside, one reason is MR to watch a movie while veing able to see outside. Another is when you kneed to step out of the room for just a moment or talk to someone that just came in or maybe even just grab the controllers while seeing what you're doing.
Do you really think cameras with color are that much of an ask in 2026 on a device that costs over $1k?
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 5h
I just assumed they were more performant for their actual task of tracking. Everything else is secondary.
This is just an assumption, but, if true, give me the improved tracking over color passthrough any day.
Not that color passthrough wouldn't be nice. But I don't think it's a cost saving technique
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 2h
Well, I happen tl have dabbled a bit in image processing and applying a mask to make the image grayscale has a negligible (if not inexistent) impact in performance. I do admit that I'm unaware if there's another characteristic this cameras have that make them better for tracking. If they do, it's pretty weird that Valve hasn't mentioned it.
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
The addon costs $150, if they increased the price by $150 and had color passthrough included in the box, you would be happy, but everyone who would be forced to buy cameras for a use case they are not interested in wouldn't be.
Imo all of your use cases for color passthrough are weak. You want distractions from a movie? You need to step outside, take the headset off lol.
If they launched at $1200 way more people would be complaining about the price
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 2h
They're already using a literal phone soc that HAS CAMERAS. Having two color cameras on board probably would have cost much much less than an external, $150, third party module, like maybe a tenth of that at scale so like maybe $15 more. OoooOOOOOooooo scary
They likely made compromises like this all over the device to keep the price as low as possible, this (and the ergo pack) is just one that they errored on and probably should have just included.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 2h
Like the other guy said, using color cameras would not have costed much more. This is an expensive device with some budget entry-level features. There's no excuse.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2h
For now. Software is constantly changing. Plus, even my very old gearvr had color pasthrough.
And, when you consider that valve is partially putting out this device to stoke vr/ar/mr enthusiasm, I would have liked to try a headset with great pasthrough. I tried the apple headset right as it came out in a store, and the headset was awesome, but lived in a closed wall garden. The passthrough on it was awesome. That xr keeps taking steps backwards is tragic every single time.
I guess now I know what it must've been like in the 80s when vr was this cool tehcno fantasy that went nowhere until basically palmer lucky spits on floor.
Edit: i forgot to really answer. Because passthrough is part of vr. Also because it's cool. Also because it's still novel to me and I want to play with it. Also because maybe I would have made something with it. Also because backwards progress is sad and annoying and feels bad.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
So what was your, uh, upper limit on the budget there?
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1d
Go look up the price of what the last ram kit, ssd, or SD card you bought costs right now, I guarantee you're going to be surprised. No one likes the price, but I was ready for it to be way worse.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -3 pts · 1d
That doesn't make this price not terrible. It just alligns with the terribleness we exepect nowadays.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2h
Price is relative
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 2h
Price is objective. Cost is relative. The price is high and the cost is poor when compared to other offerings.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2h
The cost is high, the price is relatively cheap because materials cost too much due to the slop bubble
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 2h
Do you have the BOM to substantiate your claims or are you just winging it? This device does not seem to be that much better than a pico 4 ultra to justify the price difference.
Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 1d
It can do more than some $3500 headsets (run desktop class applications natively)
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -8 pts · 1d
That's so extremely vague that I don't even know how to respond. What's desktop class for you? x86? What type of "apps" would you want to run on a vr headset?
Katana314@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Basically games that were only written to run on Windows. If someone likes the idea of playing, say, Ori and the Blind Forest, on a virtual movie theater screen, this is a way to do that, no porting from the original authors needed.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -1 pts · 1d
Afaik, the list of titles you can do that with is around 130. On top of that, the "great on frame" baseline is 30fps at 720p. If you also take into account the fact that the snapdragon 8 gen 3 is already 3 years old and how little the Steam Frame battery lasts, then the whole idea starts to sound a lot worse.
Is it cool you can do it? Sure. Would you actually want to do it and will you have a good time? Not sure, but doesn't sound like it.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 22h
it still seems like a good experience for flights
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -1 pts · 21h
Better bring a few battery packs. Battery on standalone lasts like 1.5hrs.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2h
Okay, but what are your other options?
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 2h
Pcvr?
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 20h
your negativity wont stop us from running firefox and text editors on it. a wayland compositor placed in 3D space, anyone?
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -1 pts · 20h
That's not a thing exclusive to the steam frame. But sure, have fun.
BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com · 36 pts · 2d
Any word on VR streaming from Linux? I have yet to watch and read most reviews, but I can't seem to find anything about it being exclusive to Windows like the Short Circuit leak claimed
semperverus@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 1d
I can almost guarantee you that if valve doesnt get it working, someone will via moonlight, ALVR, and/or WiVRn.
The amount of work that has gone into the Monado/XRizer/Envision/WayVR stack is phenomenal and gaining momentum.
artyom@piefed.social · 9 pts · 1d
Pretty much every existing streaming method is complicated and had poor results. Not to mention the lack of foveated streaming.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 5 pts · 1d
I am sure there will be third-party solutions working, but will they use foveated streaming? That is a huge selling point of the wireless streaming capabilities of the Steam Frame, but that feature seems to be proprietary to their first-party wireless streaming software. Without it, wireless streaming will be just okay.
nyan_kas@piefed.social · 21 pts · 1d
Last year’s announcement trailer for Valve‘s new hardware mentioned that Steam Machine would be a great option for streaming games to Steam Frame. So it‘s pretty safe to assume that Linux support for streaming is coming.
DeLancre@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
nyan_kas@piefed.social · 5 pts · 1d
Yes, something that is coming is typically not there yet.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 1d
Information seems to be mixed, but it's looking like it at least works in some cases: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality_linux/comments/1welkhs/steam_frame_confirmed_by_linustechtips_to_not/
I think what's in question is whether the wifi dongle is widely supported. It might require some manual configuration at first.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 1d
It seems odd they wouldn't prioritise that considering how hard they've been pushing Linux/SteamOS.
riskable@programming.dev · 7 pts · 1d
The wifi dongle was demonstrated via the Steam Frame in the "first look" videos.
It'll work in Linux.
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 1d
Given how much valve has been advertising running the steam frame with the steam machine if it doesn't already work now it will be a priority to make it work. I trust valve's fairly consistent marketing more than a leak
Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
WiVRn works in Fedora (over flatpak even!) since March this year, and performs better than SteamVR and possibly even Virtual Desktop - on a Quest 2. WayVR provides desktop portal and playspace dragging. Very recent update makes the interface look good and also provides USB Ethernet support for Android headsets (Quest etc.) if you prefer wired
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 5 pts · 1d
As of now it does not work with the Steam Machine, which is kind of embarrassing. Though I expect them to fix that ASAP. Hopefully at least a beta version is available when customers get it.
5too@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
They recently updated it, which seems to have at least improved stability for me. Still can't get room configuration to run, but I can use default settings fine
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
I recall it comes with a USB dongle for 6GHz Wifi streaming. That's most likely going to be supported on Linux
shadshack@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
I've streamed Steam games from my Linux PC to my Steam Deck. Other than increased resolution and the foveated streaming, it should be the same or similar enough technology to go to the Frame. I would be surprised if it didn't work. Especially because this "generation" of Steam hardware so far has great interoperability between the Steam Machine and Controller, I would expect them to have thoroughly tested streaming from the Machine to the Frame.
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
steamos is a linux distro so presumably already working if its supposed to be able to stream from the steam machine. other distros will likely be within a couple days tops if it doesn't work out of the box.
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 1d
Man, I really hate this economy. This AI bubble cannot pop fast enough, but I fear we have at least till the end of this year, possible Q2 of next year to see it happen. Even then, it's not like it will be instant, and capacity won't just instantly switch over to normal consumer components. Assuming even more tech idiocy doesn't happen, we're still years away from a ramp up to "normal" capacity.
I'm even more scared that the era of personal computing is in it's last days. The combination of drastic cost increases, and the dominance of corpo-tech working 24/7 to destroy ownership completely, might be too much to overcome.
We'll see a return to the era of computing similar to the 80's and early 90's. Building your own PC will require lots of money and technical skills. Pre-builts will be a distant memory. PC builders will be spoken of in similar terms as HAM radio people are now, hermitic nerds who are hardcore into their ancient, dark, tech wizardry.
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · 9 pts · 1d
Considering at the start of August, I was already seeing stories that all the fabrication capacity for RAM has been completely spoken for and booked through the end of 2027, I would expect it to keep going quite a bit longer still.
IMALlama@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
You're not wrong, but the whole thing is also a bit of a house of cards. If the buyers don't have the money the contract won't be fulfillable.
We have a data center planned not too far from my house. It was approved by the city council last December despite a lot of public skepticism. The developers aren't moving because they don't have the money. They're waiting to have someone on contract to lease capacity from them before taking out a loan. In the best case that will simply never happen.
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · 4 pts · 1d
Sure, but with production stuff at scale like that, even if contracts fall through, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll be able to switch right over to running consumer RAM down the lines. Unless the AI bubble bursts hard and soon enough for them not to have contracts to fulfill by March, I wouldn't count on them being able to get meaningful production going during Q2. Switching over from producing one SKU to another can be a crazily time intensive problem on its own, and that's leaving aside whether they have enough raw materials on hand to keep the lines busy producing those products. If they have some stupid Just in Time inventory system in place, we'll get to follow their supply lines as we see where new logistical bottlenecks are emerging in the process.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
But I only have one kidney left.
CalemitousVariantK@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Your liver grows back. Just saying.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 1d
I want to remember people, that I was right and Tyler McVicker was wrong. He predicted a launch price of 1500 Dollars. There were entire articles and discussions in the web around that prediction: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/112988/the-steam-frame-could-be-priced-at-dollars1500-at-launch-according-to-insider/index.html and linked to Lemmy post for discussions: https://lemmy.ml/post/51014971 I just find it fun to see and read what people expected, and then what reality is.
I quote myself:
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 20h
how come you have gone back with your account to lemmy.ml?
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 20h
I actually don't understand your question. My current account https://lemmy.ml/u/thingsiplay is the last and newest one I created. Before that, I had an account at beehaw instance. I had disagreed with a deletion of my reply, just because they didn't like it (or even understood). No toxicity was involved. ... aand before that I also had an account on kbin, but switched over to Lemmy, because kbin seems to be dead. I didn't check in years.
Unless I misunderstood your question.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 19h
I'm asking because this account of yours is just 8 months old, but I have seen you around for a long time. also I think you had more upvotes counted in voyager
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 19h
This is my only account I am using, since I abandoned my previous main account with same name and icon. My previous account was on beehaw instance at https://beehaw.org/u/thingsiplay , joined 3 years ago. I left that place because I disagree with moderation and switched to lemmy.ml. I do not use multiple accounts at the same time, BTW, always a single main account.
cepelinas@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 13h
Just curious why .ml?
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 13h
You mean why this instance specifically? I looked around and there was a few candidates. For one, I wanted a big one with many people. One of the reasons to is, so the instance seems to be lively and won't close too soon. Because I don't want another kbin situation. I don't want want that blocks many instances or get blocked by many (besides the extremes off course).
One that is not tooo much opinionated like beehaw, because I don't want that anymore. I looked into the rules, and some instances had bad rules, don't remember details. It's even run by the Lemmy's developers themselves. Not sure if that is a good thing, but it ensures a bit of longevity I think. And first class support and updates.
Other than that, I don't remember too many details. Why you guys chose the instance you chose?
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1h
there is a movement to unsubscribe from .ml communities and to block it from servers, because of the way the admins and their group behave, politically and otherwise. sometimes if an admin bans you from a community for your different opinion, they choose a not fitting rule in the ban message, and go on to ban you from all the other communities where they are a moderator. it is not rare.
when I registered I did not have a particular reason to choose this one, but I'm happy with it, would recommend. slrpnk is also nice. lemmy.world not so much despite the popularity. Otherwise I might try a piefed instance, for the merged crosspost comments and the ability to access Mastodon content
cepelinas@sopuli.xyz · -2 pts · 11h
.ml has a reputation of hosting lots of tankies, which is why some people have the whole instance banned, I chose sopuli because low ping
saltesc@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 2d
Oh. Great. Only €1K. Super...
😢
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 1d
A couple months ago, when I posted news about the FCC approval, people were whining that it was going to start at $2K. They didn't quite hit their initial target of "less than the Index" but I still call this a win.
DeLancre@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 4 pts · 1d
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 11 pts · 1d
Ahhhh ehhhhhhhhhh
If I didn't have a Q3 already maybe. But for $1k I can't swing it.
Excited to see where all this x86->ARM translation work goes though. And hopefully some new VR games market's been stale.
percent@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 1d
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 18h
The Meta headsets were a no-go for me due to the huge privacy concerns. I'll gladly pay a premium to have hardware I actually own.
Yorick@piefed.social · 10 pts · 1d
I'd definitely take the 256GB model, if it was available in my country... 😢
Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
What country? I’m on the list. I don’t necessarily need it but if someone really wants it and will pay for the whole thing and the insane shipping costs…
Yorick@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d
Switzerland, and yeah if you don't mind let's give it a shot and cross fingers! 🤞
Daze@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1d
Anyone know how the "one signup per household" rule works in detail? Partner and I both want one, but wanting to know if we'll need to wait for a more opened release window for a second one
CountVon@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1d
It's covered in the terms and conditions of the sign-up process. Here are the key bits:
skoell13@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 20h
How are they planning to do that if several people live in the same house but in different apartments/households. I mean that's the standard for larger cities.
CountVon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 36m
Apartments have apartment numbers, so different apartments would constitute separate billing/shipping addresses. For multiple people living in the same apartment/house (i.e. roommates at the exact same address), they may be SOL.
Edit: Although, on second reading, the address check may only be to prevent multiple entries per account. Emphasis mine:
Those restrictions could be done per account, so multiple Steam accounts at the same shipping/billing address might be fine as long as each account has different payment information (i.e. the accounts don't have the same owner name and/or credit card). Could still be an issue for someone trying to register a whole family at the same address, if all the accounts are using Mom's credit card.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1d
I would use the shipping address of a relative for the second order.
If you enter the same address twice, it will most likely be cancelled.
But other than that, you should be fine.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 2 pts · 1d
Oh, thanks, didn't see that. I wanted to sign up everyone in the family.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 2 pts · 1d
Strange, for me it only says that you are limited to one purchase per household. Nothing about the signup.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
Ugh, I really hate those bullshit controllers. Index controllers are the best and I feel like I'm just going to use tethered HMDs forever because of it.
detren@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1d
They sell a kit for 60 bucks with straps to turn them into the same style of controller as the index.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I saw that but it seems like they're just hand straps and the grip is still a button instead of capacitive touch, which is exactly why the index is so immersive. It might not be awful but I'm still gonna hold off given the price and battery life. I already have a triple lighthouse setup and wire tethers, so the best bang for my buck would be upgrading my hmd only. Though the index is still solid, so honestly I'll probably just keep rocking it until it dies.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
The Frame controllers have full finger tracking. According to reviews, this isn't very useful without the hand straps, though.
detren@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 20h
It’s both now. I love the immersion of the capacitive touch but in many games you have to grip the controller like crazy to not drop something (or maybe I’m just weak lol). The button makes that a problem of the past WHILE still retaining the capacitive touch for immersion. I do wish they’d include the straps for free though.
myyass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I'm kind of surprised they don't do hybrid controllers yet. As in the experimental kind used for prosthetics. Combine that with an EEG headset. Sounds like fun to me. Then again setup time would be a pain.
Guitar@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
There is nothing I have ever seen or played in VR that could justify this price for me. I understand the tech is expensive, but I really am not willing to pay more than like $200 for something that feels like such a gimmick. If this is your thing though, have at it.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social · 8 pts · 1d
I would get it if the battery life didn't suck.
~1.5 hours when streaming from PC at 144hz, and a full charge time of around 3 hours, meaning you probably can't even get unlimited playtime if it's plugged in the entire time and solely streaming from a PC instead of computing the game itself.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 1d
According to the Ars review, the 1.5 hour battery life is when running games on the Steam frame itself. Battery life is supposed to be a lot better when streaming from a PC I believe.
Also all lithium batteries slow down charging speed a lot as they get closer to being fully charged, so taking 3 hours to charge doesn't mean that it can't charge faster than the battery drains. I'm sure it can just do power passthrough to power the headset indefinitely.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social · 5 pts · 1d
I was going off the LTT number which put it at 1:36 when streaming Half Life Alyx from a desktop PC, running at 144Hz. Ars' number is when running on Performance mode with "most VR titles", so I don't know how comparable that is.
The Verge says they never got above 2 hours even when using battery-saving mode or streaming-only, and demanding games got under 1 hour.
As for charging time, LTT claims it's 3 hours to 100%, and 2.4 to 95%, and doesn't seem to state there's much of a speed increase below that point, and as far as I'm aware you usually only see a major difference in charging speed for the last ~10%, though previously The Verge did also state a power bank could keep them going up to 2.5 hours.
So with all that said, if it takes around 1-2 hours for it to die after starting from full, and it takes a minimum of 2.4 hours just to get it almost full... that means it'll still run out of battery eventually, even if plugged in.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 1d
That's disheartening about the battery times.
Once again, battery charge speed is slower than what the charger can provide. Look at it this way, it has a 21.6 Wh battery. If that battery drains in 1.5 hours, that means it drains the battery at an average rate of 14.4 W. It charges at a max of 45w. So when plugged in you can fully power the Steam frame for about 14.4w, and still have about 30w of power left over to charge the battery. It won't always use 30w to charge the battery, it will further reduce that amount based on heat and charge level, but it won't ever have a problem maintaining the 14.4w needed to keep it powered up while plugged in.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social · 5 pts · 1d
hmmmmmmm good point, I didn't consider that!
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
According to the Gamers Nexus review, Valve thinks there my be an issue with the software controlling the charge rate and are looking into it. So we might see a software update soon to improve the charge times
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1d
LTT is unreliable at best
TimboSlice@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
If I get one I'm planning on playing with an external battery attached on my hip lol
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
On the other side you can go into field and play lighter games in standalone mode. This is an insane mobility for such powerful hardware.
smeg@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1d
I've not played any VR for a while, but I remember it being physically exhausting enough that I think my own battery would be empty before the Frame's
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Depends on the comfort factor for the individual user+device. If it's not a good fit for you, it's going to be exhausting pretty quick.
smeg@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1d
For me it was the activity level of the game!
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
Fair enough, but that's kinda independent of VR.
smeg@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 20h
No as in the physical amount of moving about involved in a VR game compared to sitting still with a controller
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 20h
Right, and I'm saying that's not due to the VR, it's due to the moving around.
smeg@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 20h
Hmm... well technically yes, I guess you could play a VR game which doesn't involve any movement, but all the ones I've played did. I'd say it's a pretty core part of VR!
JRaccoon@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1d
The lottery is cool but too bad this time they don't allow you to join the list for both options to increase your chances of getting one in the first batch. I decided to go with the 256GB one. I don't think I'll be using it standalone very much, so I don't really need the extra storage. And while I believe there will be more people signing up for that one, there will also be more units available, making the chances pretty much equal. Obviously, saving 200+ euros is a plus too.
69€ for the pretty much mandatory "Ergonomic Accessories" pack is just dumb, imo. For a 1000+ euros product I would expect that stuff to be included.
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
Its an anti scalping measure. That seems counter to preventing scalping
nocturne@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 1d
With the Steam Machine you could sign up for all 4 of the options, but you were only given the option to purchase 1 of them, not all that you signed up for. So, yes, it was anti-scalping.
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
The primary anti scalping mechanisim Valve employes is randomizing delivery order. Being in line first because you have the fastest bot does not guarantee getting the goods first.
The original commentator is complaining they can't join the waiting list multiple times for the express purpose of "increase your chances of getting one in the first batch". That would give scalpers a potential way to get more of an advantage. And runs directly counter to anti scalping.
You are complaining you can't decide what you want once you get through which is a different issue. Though allowing that would likely make waitlists muchore complex
JRaccoon@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 1d
I don't fully get how this change helps with scalpers. Just like nocturne wrote, with the Steam Machine you were still only given the option to buy the one SKU where you landed highest on the list after the lists were randomized.
And it's not that big of a deal obviously. But doing it like this created an unnecessary dilemma about which list to join. While I actually wanted the 256GB one, I was seriously considering joining the 1TB list because there are probably fewer people going for that one, which could potentially increase your chances. But then you start thinking about how some people probably have the same idea, potentially negating the effect...
The whole thing turned into an unnecessary headache lol, so I just stopped thinking about it and went for the 256GB one.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Since this is an ARM device, can we play traditional x86-64 games on ARM64 now? Like, on other hardware besides Steam Frame?
domi@lemmy.secnd.me · 11 pts · 1d
I didn't try it yet but yes, FEX is open source: https://fex-emu.com/
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
There are SteamOS builds for several arm64-based handhelds already and they can play many x86-64 games through FEX. Look at Armada OS, which is basically Bazzite for arm64.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Wine has CPU emulation hooks since some time, and now protonGE is split into Arm and x86_64 branches. So yes? I think LTT even tested windows games on Steam Frame and it kinda worked
TimboSlice@discuss.online · 5 pts · 1d
Does anyone have an educated guess on my odds of getting picked from the list for a 1TB?
NoDignity@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
No idea but I did sign up for the 1TB in the hopes that it is less popular so my odds are better but it could also be the case that they produced way less so who knows. Luckily my wife has her own steam account so I had her sign up for the 256 model just to increase my odds. Only planning on buying one so if I somehow get picked for both I will just let it drop to the next person in the list I suppose.
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
For the steam machine you could sign up for multiple SKUs and they'd offer you the one you came first in the list for. Is it different this time?
bingrazer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Yes, signing up for one then trying to sign up for the other removes your initial selection. They are mutually exclusive lists
TimboSlice@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
If you pop for both and I don't get mine, could we work something out for the 256?
TimboSlice@discuss.online · 1 pts · 5h
Nevermind, got my brother to sign up
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 17h
As long as your wife has a different mailing address on Steam - otherwise both of your lottery tickets will be silently deleted.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 2d
Price is alright given the market conditions, but the lottery really ticks me off.
NGram@piefed.ca · 45 pts · 2d
Imo the lottery is the most fair way of doing it. Instead of people being lucky to be awake/available right as the announcement dropped, everyone has the same chance of being placed early in the queue.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 1d
The lottery is fine, it's the fact it's even necessary I abhor.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 2d
Would you rather their entire stock gets bought up by bots to be scalped?
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1d
No, I'd love there to be enough supply for the vast majority of prospective buyers.
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I don't understand this comment at all... Surely valve would also want to have enough supply for every single person who wants one to give them their money. But we live in the real world with real material and logistical constraints, so isn't the lottery the best solution to getting the limited devices in the hands of people who actually want to use it?
rtxn@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Please suggest an alternative, then, that prevents scalping and doesn't only favor the specific demographic that you are in.
Linktank@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
Certainly the device could register to a specific account and notify them if/when a different primary account takes control. If I've been playing steam games for 20 years using the same account I should be able to be verified as doing that and order hardware without them being concerned about scalping, especially if the hardware will only work if my account is the primary one allowed to use it.
teslekova@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
So this destroys one's ability to easily resell the thing. Great.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1d
Oh no, the lottery is the most fair way to deal with expected demand far exceeding supply, no question about that.
I just long for a time when there was enough supply right from the start. I can't remember having to queue or wait weeks for sought-after electronics in my youth. I don't even blame Valve here, it seems to be more common everywhere now.
rtxn@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Even if we ignore the silicon shortage, it doesn't make sense for Valve to set up the facilities and supply chains to fully satisfy the day-one demand, only to shut them down months later when the demand falls off and no longer justifies the expense of operating them. The up-front cost of setting up additional factories, especially for the custom high precision optics, would be a massive waste. The other option would be to build up a larger stockpile before the product is released, but then you'd still be waiting all the same.
In terms of hardware, Valve is not a significant player. They sell niche products meant for enthusiasts, and the lottery is the most pragmatic way to get them into hands.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Are you old enough to remember the retail shortages of gaming consoles when they released in the 90s? People were scalping them out of car trunks back then.
arudesalad@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 1d
I tried to pre order a zelda anniversary and was too busy and ended up trying to buy it an hour after orders opened and I couldn't buy it (unless I paid 2x the price on ebay). Lottery is the much better way to do preorders.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 1d
Or, you know, producing enough to meet demand from the start. People have gotten so used to sought after items being in short supply, the thought that companies can actually gauge demand quite well and could produce enough stock doesn't even cross their mind anymore.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
I feels like you're underestimated the word "enough" here. It's a niche product, no one know what's the actual demand vs scalper, and certainly no one can know what amount is "enough".
Also ram is hard to get.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17h
DOA. Maybe it’s not fair because it’d probably be $700 and in my budget if memory and storage had stayed steady instead of ballooned, but I’m not interested in this or the machine at the prices they are debuting at
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 14h
Considering everything else they've been putting out right now has been selling out quickly despite price increases, it's probably going to do just fine.
But I for one am also priced out of it, so. 🫠
IamMoonPie@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 12h
I’m pretty sure they literally talked about this at launch. One of them said “we wish this could have been the price we had for it even a year ago.”
Fuck AI.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 16h
I'm sure others are interested. $1000 is what I thought it'd cost too.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 13h
Damn it.
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23h
Joined the list for the 1TB. Guess I'll be selling some CS2 items. If the Jetset AK goes as well I may add well pick up the Vision Camera.
realworldschlitz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15h
Curious why the 1 tb? What’s your use case? I assume lots of standalone gameplay… but what about the low end snapdragon performance compared to pc streaming?
Just trying to wrap my head around the things.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2h
1tb isn't all that much these days. Especially considering one of the big selling points of the Frame is "access to the biggest existing library and ecosystem".
1tb would have been a lot in, say, 2009. But, now, in 2026 (almost two decades later), there are multiple games that won't even fit on 256gb even if you got the whole 256gb and there wasn't os or anything.
And considering the thing is basically a pc at this point, there's a TON more than just vr or flat screen gaming that you're gonna be able to do on it. And, sure, it has a microsd slot (but no headphone jack, fuck you apple!), but I don't want to rely on that and would much rather have that as an option down the line, years from now, when things get even bigger.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 21h
Back then when Steam Deck launched, my brother purchased the cheapest Deck for about 379 Euros or something like that by selling CS:GO items. That was one of the most impressive things I saw, given he almost never purchased anything (expensive) there.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4h
As a 1990s kid, I'm still stubbornly waiting for VR to be the big spinny thing you get into like Pierce Brosnan.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 1d
Less than I expected yet still expensive. But, I would pay more than double to not get a meta headset.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
I would of bought no hesitations for around 750 USD. 1200USD is where I thought it was going to be for the 256, and is the price point I say I have no use for it.
1100 is still too rich for my taste, but I was surprised too.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, I expected much worse after the Steam Machine price and storage and ram costs going up. On the waitlist for the 256 model, but not sure I'll actually buy it.
I don't have VR, but I had been interested in Half Life Alyx and Beat Saber.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Save half life Alex for when you start getting a little bored of vr, really brings back the joy of when you first put on the head set.
Unless you are getting a steam frame, then I feel like you gotta play it first.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, if I get into vr it'll be with the steam frame due to refusing to get meta headsets.
I'll be picking up beat saber and pistol whip since I love rhythm games. Will look into driving, flying, and fpv drone flying games.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
You'll love it. Lots of flat games turned vr too so you might already have some right off the start.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah it looks like I'll be able to hold off on rushing right to Half Life Alyx. The flat gaming stuff looks cool.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
I was refering to games like 7 days to die or subnautica getting either official vr mods or modes. But yeah play flat games in a big picture mode is kinda cool. I felt like a dork in my own house, around people who don't make fun of me for stuff like that. Its different when you are in vr because you are immersed more, but you're kind of supposed to look stupid.
The worst was i couldn't feel anymore like a jackass when I was trying to do the thing where I watch YouTube in vr while doing the dishes with a pinned screen, and then having to talk to my sagnificant other.
Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
VR playing people - how much space do you need to use it? I have a place behind my PC where i can stand and move my arms around with hands out (barely) but that's about it. Feels like I should wait till i get a bigger gaming area to think about getting anything like this.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
You can play games like X4 or Elite Dangerous, which don't need a okay space.
tehmics@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
As long as you can reach out in all directions without hitting anything, you can do stationary VR and/or just use in-game locomotion (aka, move with analog stick or teleports.) Stuff like Beat Saber, pistol whip, racing sims, flight sims, any kind of cockpit game is fantastic here.
I started Half Life Alyx in a similar space to yours, just the area behind my desk with my chair pushed in, teleporting for movement (analog movement makes me motion sick, that's why teleporting is a popular workaround), It was fine and playable, but I found myself wanting to strafe and lean around corners.
So I moved my PC to the living room and had a ~20x11 foot space to play Half Life Alyx in, with my couches stood up on end and pushed the the wall. I ended up walk 20ft > rotate 180 > walk 20ft for almost the entire game and it was amazing. My feet were sore by the end, though. Roomscale just hits different.
Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
This is what I'd prefer, so may just need to wait. Also I barely have time to game currently so this is probably just not a wise purchase for me atm.
Ah well, eventually.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Valve recommends "For Room Scale VR, you will need at least 2m x 1.5m (6.5ft x 5ft) of free space."
I set mine up in the living room with a little bit larger area, about 6 x 8 feet and it's plenty
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1d
The bigger the space, the more enjoyable the experience.
If you can move around your hands while not hitting anything, it is the bare minimum for roomscale VR. There are a lot of games that require only 180° turning.
But cockpit games like racing space sims should be more than fine.
And because it has wireless streaming, you can also use it in a different room if there aren't too many walls blocking it.
It is also a standalone headset, so you can use it outside on its own as well.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 13h
I use it pretty much only for simracing, so only enough room for a simrig. Things like Beat Sabre can be played standing in place, so just enough room to fling your arms about. I have a low ceiling fan that I forgot to turn off once, and bruised my knuckles. I also don't recommend playing Superhot VR when drunk.
Datz@szmer.info · 4 pts · 1d
I hope these won't sell out/queue up as much as Machines and Controllers do, since I can only safely afford it after a few months after a recent PC purchase.
But since this doesn't have competition like the Machine (if you hate Meta), I'm worried.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 23h
I hope the prepared enough considering that wayy more people are gonna be queueing for the cheaper one, probably
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 3 pts · 1d
Wasn't there also supposed to be a sale on VR games today?
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
Yup, I picked up a few wishlisted items for like 65% off
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 0 pts · 1d
I meant a sale event. There are always a bunch of games on sale at any given time, but I thought there was supposed to be a big event this week. That was one of the main reasons people predicted the reveal of the Frame was going to be yesterday.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
Tbh, I'm not going to buy any VR games until I have a headset in hand. I wishlisted a bunch of VR games last night in preparation, but I'm not going to screw myself out of (at minimum) half of the refund window in case any are duds. Especially when the order queue starts off as a lottery.
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 56m
This is good logic 🫡
Varesti@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 14h
Can't wait to see how much better these get in a decade or two. I still don't really feel like it's advanced enough for me to give up on regular screen gaming, but it seems pretty cool.
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
I've had a Quest 1 for years and it's starting to show its age. I'm excited to get this as my new headset.
orenj@leminal.space · 2 pts · 1d
Ughhh. Guess im not getting one of these either.
iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Can the smaller model be upgraded at a later time? Is the internal storage upgradeable?
NoDignity@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Doesn't look like the internal storage can be though it does have a microSD slot.
iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Thanks! Sigh...From experience with the Steam Deck, internal storage is quite a lot faster than even a really good microSD.
EDIT: And...I got mine. 1TB. There's no lottery in Asia, just your FCFS with a queuing kiosk that keeps failing back to a "we are in maintenance". But for about 5mins, it was working, long enough for me to get mine ordered. I guess no nice treats for me for a while...
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 1d
If I didn’t have an Index and a ton of games that I’ve already played hundreds of times, I’d get this. The amount I play VR at this point doesn’t justify the $1200 expense.
Also, I thought the options were 1TB or 2TB.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1d
Had a VR headset but didn't really use it enough to justify the cost tbh. These are double the cost too.
If I had that much money to spend I think it would be better to spend it on a screen instead of a VR headset. Should look up screens actually, aren't they usually getting better/cheaper still unlike all other components? Could probably get a really nice screen for the cost of an RTXanything at this point.
Not that my current one is bad though. 1440p 144hz, think its only like 5 years old. Of course £1k could get something much better.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 23h
I am on the nice monitor bandwagon and I strongly recommend geting something with a VESA DisplayHDR True Black certification. Also 4K is very enjoyable if you can get it, you can always decrease resolution for FPS when gaming but the crispness of text and interfaces while doing desktop things is very nice.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 21h
What is HDR support on Linux like these days? Not looked into it too much as I am pretty sure my monitor isn't HDR.
Would love to see some different monitors to actually compare tbh. My current screen essentially has built in motion blur, most visible with text if moved across the screen there is a slight trail behind it. I think its a common thing on loads of screens but some are better than others.
That kinda stuff also gets into the area where its harder to tell which screen is better, resolution and refresh rate are easy stats to look at.
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 18h
If you want something that cuts down on motion blur, the website BlurBusters.com is still an excellent resource.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 19m
Pretty good for KDE and GNOME at least. Both DEs support HDR monitors with pretty easy setup now. MPV and GNOME Videos both support HDR for your properly obtained movie files, idk about KDE's video player. Browser support is still lagging, experimental HDR on Firefox usually works for videos when enabled but photos less so. Photography tools like Darktable and GIMP do not support it yet.
HDR for video games running on proton is something I haven't tried enough to tell you. I know people have it working, but I think it sometimes requires messing about with proton environment variables.
Once you learn about the color gamuts of different displays and the HDR certifications they are also easy stats to look at. It all depends on your priorities though. Whether it's maximizing refresh rate and fps for competitive games or doing art or having high resolution for productivity, it all changes the tradeoffs.
Many monitors nowadays support 100% DCI-P3 color gamut and that's what most HDR media is mastered for, so that's a pretty easy one to look for. The VESA DisplayHDR certifications also make it easy. True Black means the contrast ratio is very good for dark detail like with OLED. The number of the certification is the peak brightness in nits that the display can reasonably produce. So DisplayHDR True Black 600 would mean good contrast and 600 nit peak brightness. And a DisplayHDR 1600 would be able to go much brighter, but not necessarily have inky blacks like an OLED.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2h
Same here, luckily I didn't pay for mine, work paid for it
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 14h
Thrillseeker put up a pretty good hands-on report recently. I do a lot of sim driving in VR and I mainly just want to get off the Quest/Meta ecosystem. It was either this or the Pimax Crystal Light, and I think this is the more versatile machine.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 1d
CA$1,529 for the 256gb, without hand straps. Gonna pass.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
$1859 for the 1tb. I'm good lol
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 1d
Before tax.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
And no power cord.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Well, considering all thats an incredible price. Youre getting 16 gigs of ram in it, thats actually like half of its price 💀. This is very heavily subsidized, theyre not making a penny of of it. Still as i said before im looking for a car right now and a used car is about 5 steam frames so i dont think i will have money for it for a while. Whelp. Also i have to tune up the car so thats prolly another 3k...
bowsertattoo@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
this is so crazy absurd. so damn expensive.
Midnitte@beehaw.org · 0 pts · 2d
A shame - I feel like VR really needs a loss leader to actually build more foundation for developers to actually care... but at least its out now I guess
klankin@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 2d
Isn't that what meta's been doing for a decade?
Doesn't seem to be working too well for them
riskable@programming.dev · 8 pts · 1d
Yes, because they didn't focus on gaming or useful capabilities but instead tried to develop a PG-rated (as in, for kids) platform for work. Meta's management literally thought everyone would want to strap on a VR headset and wear it all day for work.
Meanwhile, loads of fantastic games had people buying headsets just to play the game they want.
Basically, Meta invested all their time and money in all the wrong things. All the stuff nobody actually wants to do with their VR headset. I mean, come on: They wanted to do away with the controllers! That's how anti-gaming their focus was.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
They tried so hard to push this as a workspace thing due to covid and the apple vr head set. Meta really wanted vr to be for everything but gaming which was the only thing that did well.
They could of been successful too, the first big wave of vr came from the success of the quest 2, and they used all the success to buy all the game devs only to shut down all the games, and force them to work on the meta verse.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 13h
I think Valve has realised that it's really just for a certain niche of gamers and that's who they're targeting, unlike Meta, that thought everyone would want to live, work and play in the 'Metaverse' which was never going to happen.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1d
Wow. I was looking forward to one but I'm skeptical about the standalone mode.
I want to play games like No Mans Sky in VR but I don't think that's possible. My only gaming PC is a steam deck.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 23h
It really is meant to primarily be a PCVR headset
voidsignal@lemmy.world · -29 pts · 2d
Ah. Yes. Yet another soon to be dead VR headset, because nobody gives a fuck about that. Reminds me the inevitable 3D TVs.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 1d
Our Valve Index has been going for many years. I've put a considerable amount of money into it, but that happens with children.
Linktank@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1d
Have you ever even used a VR headset? They're fucking amazing.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
Just because techbros stop pushing it doesn't mean niche product cannot still exist.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1d
Is that why they have a lottery system to order one? Because the demand is just so low?