Oxycontin crisis, satanic panic, Columbine and the proliferation of the modern school shooting crisis, all the tobacco execs lying to congress about nicotine being addictive and facing no consequences, and the open and acknowledged deployment of weapons of war in space thus opening us up to a brand new version of the Cuban missile crisis... In Space (space space space)
My biggest tinfoil hat take is that the fent was put there on purpose to punish drug culture, as the public discovered that many drugs that are scheduled aren't really as harmful or addictive as we're told when done in moderation, and they hated that they were losing control of the narrative that the police state is for your own protection.
So they decided to poison dissenters so they could say "See? Told you so." I don't think they quite realized how many opioid soccer moms were trying to cope at that point, but I wouldn't expect much competence from a government that was willing to purge their own citizens for the crime of "going to a rave occasionally".
10 things we are so passionate about here’s what you’ve done for each, please correct me if I’m being too cynical of you personally, but this applies to most so:
Nothing
Nothing
Nothing, and how easy is it to get the ball rolling on union stuff
Nothing, consumed said media
Actively posting our worthless thoughts, we are ruining the internet rn
Voted for citizens united candidate or didn’t vote at all
Nothing
Nothing, maybe made the internet worse about it
Nothing
This is my favorite: nothing but with a sense of superiority for pointing it out
I don’t want you to take this as a personal attack but I feel like that’s what we as a generation are accomplishing in regards to your list.
These things are not some helpless thing we are assigned forever. We can be the change.
2 economic recessions?? If you don't count anything in the 80s or 90s then you at least have:
Dot com bubble
Subprime mortgage crisis
Covid
Whatever you wanna call what's been happening the past 2 to 4 years. I don't care what the stock market says. Working people are experiencing an economic downturn.
The dot com bubble was awesome for everyone that got out before the crash, and for most of the economy really. There's a reason no one gave a shit about Clinton getting a blowjob.
Bigger question...why would anyone care? Atleast Monica was an adult, yeah you could probably make a case for work place harassment but that's about it.
And before anyone says he was impeached for it, no. He was asked by congress if he had sexual relations with Monica. He said no. Evidence was revealed he had atleast a blow job, based on the stain on her blue dress. He was impeached for lying to congress and won basically by claiming a blow job wasn't "sexual relations".
He was impeached because the GOP wanted to impeach him, no other reason necessary. The investigation started as a look into the Clintons' finances before pivoting to the affair after their operatives caught wind of it. Even the charge of lying to Congress (which failed because he'd asked them to define sexual relations and used that definition when stating he hadn't) was a last-ditch attempt to get him on anything they could after repeatedly failing for years.
They later repeated the tactic with the Benghazi/private email server "scandals" to discredit Hillary Clinton.
Y2K was a nightmare for us GenX. Months of overtime and late nights with lots of contractors coding 24/7. I hope I never have to go through that again.
Oh, we've got a few hurdles before then. The 32-bit unsigned counter for network time protocol resets in 2036, the GPS 10-bit week counter resets in 2038, and the old Unix signed 32-bit date also resets in 2038.
I'd only ever heard of the Unix epoch one. It's interesting that three separate systems (with three different underlying data types) all overflow so closely together.
I remember in '99 the radio DJs loved talking about how there was a chance the world would end on new years, so there was a degree of anxiety, especially to dumb kids like myself
I changed jobs in late 99, so I got to go through all the Y2K bullshit in one job, then do it again in the new one.
One dude at my old job had his panties in a bunch because he said all the U.S. Navy ships were vulnerable and he said WW3 was going to start, but he was generally an idiot anyway, so that was par for the course.
In the new job I had to certify that DEC impact printers were Y2K certified. Which way basically me putting stickers on all of them saying they were certified because they weren't smart enough to care what the date was.
My boss at the new job required us to be onsite on January 1st, which was kind of a drag, but that's the way it goes. There was nothing for us to do. He stopped at a deli on the way in and picked up an absolutely fantastic pile of food for us, so it just became a casual brunch and we just kind of hung around eating and chatting until he was satisfied that nothing was going to go wrong.
I'd kill to know what the deli was. I was too young and stupid to save the name.
Even as a teenager I was pretty crystal-clear on the fact that anybody who knew anything about how a computer worked also knew that Y2K was not the cataclysmic society-ending event that the fucking braindead news media were making it out to be at the time.
It wasn't because everybody worked and put in what was required to fix it.
Any company with old code was in danger. Every Bank everything had to work their asses off to get all these changes made and test it. Still some things failed but it could have been much much worse if people didn't panic and put in the time to fix it
Yep, things looked positive for a short while after the end of the cold war and the Internet became widespread when we entered the workforce. The advancement of the human race only seemed a matter of time.
But our Boomer parents weren't willing to let anyone else have a bright future, keeping us away from any real power while driving exploitation of nature and people to the max to fill their bank accounts. If you look at the US, this is thill the case, with a gerontocratic political caste that fights tooth and claw to prevent the next generations from enacting change - somewhat like fucking elder vampires.
'88 here. 9/11 sits at such a clear demarcation line for us. Happened in 8th grade where you're still straddling the fence that's childhood, while still capable of grasping the enormity of what was unfolding.
Though I also grew up in the rust belt, so there was always the sense that you were riding a wave that had long since crested.
Who gives a shit what boomers think, genx literally are incapable of giving a shit about anything and genz are in their 20's, what the fuck you care what a 20-something thinks about you? That's the glory of your 40's: you're fat, old and don't give a crap
Do you regularly have 'wanting to please your parents' define your actions as an adult?
You're supposed to have your own moral scaffolding and motivation in place by then, it's a rather large part of growing up
My parents are dead. But pretty much everyone I have never known who has them be alive, very much considered how their actions will impact their parents admiration for them, yes.
No, you're not. You're supposed to inherent from your parents/culture/community. If you 'build your own scaffolding' you're a outlier and likely detached from your community.
Ah yes, who gives a shit that we're divided on fundamental levels like age?
What does it matter that young people hate older people on the simple basis of age? For that matter, why does it matter if someone is: racist, a misogynist, a misandrist, homophobic, transphobic? Who cares!
I got nothing against millennials or younger. I even like whatever they're calling the new generation with their 67 rotted brains. They're simple folk, but hilarious.
So much this. It boggles my mind that I was considered an "essential worker" and had to work every single day of the COVID shutdown when everyone else was staying home and social distancing. But I never got a raise or a bonus. I'm treated like dogshit stuck to my boss's shoe. Collectively Millennials are the current backbone of the United States workforce and we are expected to keep society running but we are treated like shit and are paid a fraction of what our boomer parents were making at our current age.
I'm genx, same both wife and I worked extra jobs during COVID, never worked from home. My boomer parents lived 100x better than me even during their "poor"years. Now retired, they still make quadruple what I do. I make less than I did 25 years ago, and that's not even making adjustments for inflation. I also have no savings, can't save when you can't afford to live. This economy is fucked. We also lived through all of those market upheavals and also the one in the '90s. It's been straight downhill since the boomers gen.
Gen Alpha has experienced the pandemic, economic shock and recession around that time, followed by insane inflation, the AI disruption and uncertainty, and climate and extreme weather disruption as well. Not even mentioning wars.
Millennials have all that, and the Great Recession, the dot com crash, I guess we could mention 9/11, but like most people were not directly impacted by that but rather the wars after, the housing affordability crisis, and I dunno, maybe the Super Bowl Timberlake-Jackson incident, sure chuck that in.
Gen X has all that, the savings and loan crisis in the 80s-90s, Black Monday, recessions in the 80s, stagflation in their early adulthood and teen years, oil crises, and fucking Milli Vanilli.
And then Baby Boomers... well... whatever. I'm already tired of doing this. Every generation deals with a lotta shit.
And again we kinda glossed over wars.
Let's have some real fun.
The late Roman "Are We Seriously Doing This Again?" generation
born circa 235-260 CE. They experienced the empire nearly falling apart as emperors were replaced like Walmart greeters, a plague to live through, a shit ton of wars and economic debasement along with political instability destroyed any economy they had, foreign invasions were an average Tuesday, and then I think Rome split into basically east and west and the Capitol lost control.
It's important to learn history, but "listen to your elders" is just toxic bullshit. Every elder I knew growing up that talked that way was a fucking dick.
Yemen? The country right next to one of the world's largest trade routes? The intervention there seems even more obviously economically motivated than most.
Y2K also didn't really result in anything because it was a fixable problem that got acted upon. Most of us would have been in school around that time too.
Also don't really see the problem with 9/11, surely the vast majority of people wouldn't have been involved in any way or known anyone who was? Of course its a bigger issue for those that were, but it seems odd to stick it in as a generational experience. I didn't even hear about it until a day or two later when it happened to be on the news before school.
Agreed. I was playing off the meme, but I especially agree about 9/11. Aside from the fear of a draft, unless a young millennial went into the military, or someone lived near the incident in NY or knew people personally affected, most of us were unaffected.
Also, plenty of worse incidents have occurred where WAY more people died. I have always found the 9/11 obsession to just be toxic nationalist propaganda. If the US actually gave a shit about it, perhaps it wouldn't have been so fucking hard to give affected first responders the Healthcare they deserve.
It was a huge amount of work that paid extraordinarily well. One could argue that Y2K was a kind-of Keynesian program for software developers, spawning an entire generation of 90s upper-income schlubs and mini-millionaire bosses.
Everyone from Marc Andressen to Mark Cuban owe their personal fortunes to the enormous infusion of cash into the IT sector created by the Y2K business boom. Incidentally, the bottom fell out of the tech market in... 2001.
Yes, but it's being mentioned alongside things that widely and tangibly affected the (American) populace. Y2K did not have many actual effects for the average person, just a couple of knock-on effects created more from people's fear of Y2K.
There was an immense effort to rectify the issue, same with the ozone crisis. Cant say the same for current issues, most news has to both-sides everything and there are much more (or atleast more prominent) contrarians like the anti-vaxers. Never again will we see a unified front against a global issue because someone will always benifit personally if failure is on the table.
What have millennials put effort into except complain about how much things are worse for them? At Least Gen X had the fortitude to say 'huck it, I just don't care and won't participate'.
It was overhyped but for the wrong reasons; very simply said it was like converting systems to use 64bit instead of 32 so they could handle the bigger numbers we were gonna need
Nah. If you were born in 1966, by the time you turned 30 you lived through Vietnam, the AIDS epidemic, the civil rights movement, Desert Storm, and you spent your entire life with nuclear apocalypse hanging over you in the form of the cold war. And the US economy wasn't doing great either until the 90s.
No, they couldn't afford groceries then either. Goodness. Like do people forget the oil crisis in the 70's? Wonder why so many receipes came out about Jello and microwaves?
Aids and nuclear war I agree but for someone born in 1966, they would be too young to be personally affected by Vietnam and the oil shocks of the 70s and by the time the Cold War ended and the 90s came about they'd be earning well . The Simpsons broadcast in 1989 and Homer was a blue collar worker who owned a house on one income with a stay-at-home wife and three kids. That was possible at the time.
If you were born in 66, you were 8 when Vietnam ended. The civil rights movement was pretty much done by 74 as well. You might have fought in Desert Storm, but that was so small and quick the odds of you being there are pretty small. The AIDS epidemic was bad, but if you didn't live in a major city you likely wouldn't have known anyone with AIDS. The Cold War pretty was winding down by the time you were born and the threat of nuclear apocalypse was mostly bit really worth worrying about by the 80s.
Shhh, chronically online white youth don't want to talk about that. Hell if you were a woman you couldn't even have a bank account on your own until 1974.
Was it? Measles and AIDS. Vietnam and Stagflation and Segregation. Nixon and leaded gasoline and crack cocaine. The height of the Cold War. The forty-year run of de-industrialization. Some of the darkest days of the Civil Rights Movement.
It only seems easy because you didn't have to live through it.
That was my impression as well, but we also really shouldn't underestimate the remaining percentage of unpatched software, especially for embedded software.
We are building hardware with software included right now, which will still be on roads, in doctor's offices, broadcast stations, manufacturing lines, water pumps etc. in 2038.
And I can guarantee you that some of the hardware manufacturers will cheap out and put in too little memory for a larger clock.
Mainly because no customer asks for it at this point, but also because they won't be liable in a decade from now.
Ok, so my mega corp company's InfoSec decided to turn off network file sharing for company assets with unknown user which seems smart but the house of cards is held up by closet "desktop servers" from people that long ago left the company. The day this happens all systems Enterprise wide goes down for 48 hours. I'm talking 100k+ employees just unable to do anything, even unlock doors in buildings. They finally just revert and call it a day. Most thought it was a cyber attack but my IT guy asked me if I had any unknown assets and what their plan was. Told him this is exactly what would happen having found a few of these closet servers.
Serious, there's an ancient Zebra printer that spits out some random barcode stickers every now and then and I thought to unplug it but doing so creates some weird interaction that will crash some serious dependencies.
In order to be able to reference times prior to the epoch. If you made the system clock unsigned, all that math would still break if you did calculations against it after the final bit flipped.
At the time all this was standardized, no one knew we'd ever have gigabytes of RAM, terabytes of storage, etc. 32 bits for a clock was already expensive and they figured we wouldn't be using any of this software by 2038.
64bit wasn't widely adopted when they had to fix the previous datetime crisis. The permanent solution is to upgrade your system to use x64 signed dates. Many systems are already starting to account for this
As the article mentions, the biggest problem will be embedded systems that get forgotten about and never get updated… many many things will break at that time, unexpectedly, and in subtle ways. As a normal consumer, your up-to-date devices like mobile phone and laptop should^TM^ be unaffected.
If you want computers to not have an arbitrary line in the sand when referring to the past, you need to be able to do calculations with time from before the epoch, that's why it needs to be signed.
Off the top of my head, working out the age of someone born before 1970 is going to be a calculation that happens countless times a day
"Generally" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your responses
Unless it covers all use cases, it's not good enough, because that's what we basically already have today.
We all settled on using seconds (and later smaller increments) since the 1970 epoch across systems because it makes moving data around easier.
It's better to have one source of truth value and then you derive everything else from that, keeping a 2nd counter of days (which would also need to be signed, there's no first date of all time) rather than just doing some maths when you need it isn't good system design
Edit: and surreptitiously editing "generally" out of your comments, after I mentioned it, just makes the statement false, as well as both being kinda poor etiquette and missing the point a bit
There was constant reports about how disastrous it was going to be if it wasn’t fixed. That puts some strain on people. I remember thinking that it didn’t matter what I did for a job if everything collapses.
I still remember the hype about it, and wondering if something would actually happen. I was 12 and sleeping over at my friends house on NYE. We were all a bit excited to see what midnight would bring.
I know that it is one of the most senselessly self destructive acts that one can commit, and that many people think it smells bad, and that it is a representation of class struggle and poor education, but I miss when all of the Cool people that didn't give a fuck hung out outside of a workplace swapping stories whilst killing themselves at similar rates.
I guess people could stand around and look at their phone for fifteen minutes part way through their shift, but it doesn't hold the gravity of wincing against a sheet of sleet and recalling the harrowing tale of the Nor' Easter of '95. Or that one time Sheila kicked you out of the apartment for No Reason during the Nor' Easter of '95.
If I see someone out on a 15 they have their headphones on because they have their reality so bespokely edited that their world is filled with carefully selected music or bantering friends they will never meet.
The shrooms are wearing off, so I should stop yelling at clouds soon.
Smoking is bad and kills you. But it was the last place we had to be social. Now people dont even go outside to smoke cause they just lowkey hit their vape indoors.
I used to think the old timers were lame for talking about "back in my day", but now i realize what decades of the enshitifcation of everything does to people.
Change has been accelerating so the intensity of differences between today and "back in my day" is only increasing with time. Millenials won't need to exaggerate to get the same effect boomers needed to exaggerate their stories for.
Gen Z will be like, 'I used to have to ask strangers if they had games on their phones, Alphas get their first tablet as soon as their eyes can focus. Kids nowadays! I was bored for MINUTES at a time, and I didn't complain!'
I saw a breadtube that posited that one of the reasons that cigarettes really took off (aside from marketing) is that it gave men and women a reason/excuse to talk.
I believe it was also before any sort of worker's rights, so most things were highly sexually segregated and everyone just worked until the boss got tired.
Yeah, as a fresh 44 year old, I’d really love to have a boring decade where nothing much happens. Just a bit of a breather before the inevitable climate wars. I’ve lived through so many ‘once in a lifetime’ events, it’s not even funny.
I'm trying to remember the name of it, but there's a micro-generation made up of late X and early millennial (Like 78-85 or sokething) that's seen as the transition generation from the analog world to the digital world.
We're old enough to clearly remember pre-digital/internet life, but young enough to have been exposed to tech while our brains were still developing. We're the generation that's comfortable in both worlds.
We're also good with computers generally because we developed alongside them and had to learn more about their inner workings and quirks as they were less automatic. All my new college graduates at work are surprisingly illiterate on tech because they grew up in a world of apps that are so automated they didn't have to learn anything.
Stuff as simple as navigating a network is weird to them, because they're used to apps just handling stuff like file locations.
I used to like the briefly-mentioned contender “Generation Catalano”, after the character from My So-Called Life. But Jared Leto pretty much ruined that by being Jared Leto.
Also an elder millennial. I don’t remember much of the news broadcasts, but I remember being at the playground, looking up into the sky, and seeing all the planes leaving Maguire AFB/Fort Dix. I lived directly under the flight path of the bases and I remember my mom saying something about the US going to war because of all the military planes. A few days later, it was announced we were at war.
So, when do we get.. A break? Like did Karma get really high and forgot to help us out or? Do we get that peaceful life yet? Or are we doomed to forever being the witnesses and victims to this horrible time line?
Xennial here. Every time I eke out some sort of stability, the world takes it away. About to likely lose my job which would also end with losing my house and the ability to get another one. Nothing hiring in my industry in the area, no one wants a remote backend engineer in Japanese timezones, and I'm very much done.
If I live through this, I get the bonus of basically having no real retirement options at all, either.
He is, i saw the study too. Last generational study that came out showed a small, but statistically relevant drop in intelligence in Gen Z relative to their predecessors, which is the first drop ever since we can measure these things.
And why wouldn't we see that? General education institutions have been under attack for decades now, and tinkering with your stuff is becoming more and more illegal and discouraged by the hollowing out of the concept of ownership. Software has been reduced to smartphone apps for most people, and critical thinking is seen as dangerous by many states including the US and is therefore discouraged. And let's not forget that most people are living paycheck to paycheck and do not have the headroom to engage critically with their surroundings.
I managed to save myself a decent nest egg - but they're going to crash the market and it will be fucking worthless.
Depending on the exact setup, it does not have to be. Assuming it's in stocks or a stock fund, you can always hedge it against downturns with options. Of course I do absolutely recommend really understanding that first before using it, as you can also gamble and lose money faster. But when you do, contracts exist that allow you to 'configure' a portfolio that, temporarily, will cancel out any market drops. Barring ethical reservations, of course. Naturally, that also carrries the risk that the bank selling the contract goes tits up, but it seems you're already in that boat. To manage that, you can aim for diversification across multiple banks and instruments. Not an advertisement or anything, but since covid I've found directly owned old-school crypto to be a good hedge in rough times (but need to get in low and work in the 2-5year timeframe). But for the love of god, leave out all emotions, calculate with a spreadsheet and don't put all eggs in one basket.
I'm not any kind of advisor, just got pissed about the shit economic situations we lived through and looked into what can be done about it.
My friend had one of the very few personal computers that was actually at risk from the timekeeping issue. The only real threat was that some important computer somewhere was forgotten in the patching that happened beforehand and could cause a cascading failure or something. Otherwise I remember a news story about the old people who had headstones that were pre-carved with 19__ in the death date.
I think the bigger picture is missed here - it's the natural environment that is suitable for humans to exist that has been pillaged, razed, and sold off for cheap while a handful few have become obscenely wealthy as the guardrails that were put in place to prevent/mitigate such environmental extraction are dismantled all in the name of short term gains. While the guardrails can be placed back in relatively quickly, it is the raping and the alternation of the natural environment that is not easily reversed - if even possible at all right now.
That is the real cards current and future generations have to deal with or the lack of...the longer we ignore this issue, the worse it will get. Tragedy of the commons.
But I will also mention that millennials were pretty much sold lies at every turn while growing up.
I had a friend tell me - you don't get to pick your place in history, but there's always something worthwhile to observe. Most people don't live through the end of an empire, social decay, and ultimately... well, we know this won't end well. But there's something deeply romantic about being part of the resistance - I mean hell look at how much art is made about that.
Now obviously you have to ignore some things like how you can't afford groceries and your life expectancy is going down (you're already unable to afford rich people medical care, which is now diverging from the rest of us). But it's really nothing compared to any historical turbulence like this. We aren't in famine. Our life expectancy is way UP since then.
I can't change any of this (beyond the serious community organizing I'm doing anyway) so looking at different perspectives is the only way to stay sane.
I specifically remember how that didn’t happen. Because people did a lot of work, sure; but what could it possibly mean to have “lived through” other people doing work and solving problems?
Generation X lived through the Cold War, the oil crisis, the Powell Memo (the beginning of the corporate takeover), Reaganomics, neoliberal deregulation, the aids epidemic, the threat of nuclear annihilation, Y2K, 9/11, a pandemic, 2 economic recessions, and a possible AI apocalypse along with more nuclear annihilation threats and watches as America turns into a fascist hellscape all before they hit 57 years old.
Most of those happened before we were 10 years old therefore we were unaware & unaffected, and Y2K was a big ball of nothing. So I'd say we're about equally politically traumatized as millennials except we had way funner childhoods 😜
I very much remeber being a kid and having a very cold apartment in winter because the energy costs were sky high. I still layer like I'm in Antarctica every winter and try to never turn up the heat (though that is a meme I guess).
I'll never forget Christmas 1979 or 1980 Dad bought the family our first gaming console, an Atari 2600, and I'll never forget that they said it cost $100, and apparently that was a lot of money back then. My dad was 30 years old and had bought the house we were living in when he was 26 years old, a newly built single -family home in a new subdivision, a 26-year-old supporting a family of 4 on one income 🤯
How about we forcefully democratize it instead. Any company above 50 million € worth or deemed system-relevant forced to become a cooperative or similar worker-owned democratic structure. Of course the money from irresponsibly rich investors stay with the workers when it's pulled from the s̶t̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶e̶x̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ casino, they can get a participation trophy or sth., those who didn't hoard money before eventually being paid out and/or offered to fully join the coop.
Way better I think, and something never truly done before. Nationalizing it would lead to a planned economy… that one loves to fail. Larger cooperatives who aren't being dictated on the other hand are awfully stable, to my knowledge.
That's a great idea. Coop are great as a mode of organizing one company, or every company independently, for that matter. But I feel that we also need to address the broader inter-cooperative market dynamics. The current system is "planned" in a way: actors with extreme wealth can pretty much plan whatever the f they want. State are just actors like any others. Except that they are where democratic political powers rest. And in a sense, and as extremely avert to power concentration as I am, I feel like shifting the planning power of the economical landscape back to actors that are the most equipped to translate democratical political powers, is the way to go here. No market is free unless we make it.
I might be a bit extreme but I just watched Blame it on Fidel! with one of my kids.
Nobody should have to worry about getting anything ever. Everything should be free. The only reason we have to pay for things is because a few hoard most things for surplus value. Sure, we would probably have to share a lot of stuff. But if you really want to have something because you need it, have it.
It's true, some millennials are out here trying to be gen x and shitting on everything and everyone. Undiagnosed mentel illness is a fucking privilege you wankers.
Gen X is known to be the laziest generation if they're known at all. Y'all made zero lasting impact on society. You made no identity for yourselves so you just slouch into identifying with either of the surrounding generations. Most of you are just lazier Boomers.
Wow! That's a funny take. Us Gen. X raised ourselves, raised our siblings. Learned how to control our emotions, learned how to cook, clean while children. And learned how to play without the internet.
Then we built the web and everything that goes along with it.
Whether Gen x and boomers you would have none of this that you're using a communicator right now. That phone your using was built by us. The databases that run this social app. Same. Pretty much everything you take for granted now that didn't exist for us was built by us.
Calling us lazy is ridiculous as every Gen x I know worked multiple jobs including myself and my wife. The grind was real as times were extremely tough in the '90s within 12% inflation at times and double digit unemployment. Things that people now wouldn't even be able to deal with. Gen Z is too concerned about their feeling and emotions to even be good workers today.
Now that's funny. Let me guess. You weren't born yet to be around and see what they were doing. Millennials rode our coat trails and genz are emotional basket cases
Like saying compare your life to those who lived through the black plague, or there’s starving kids in Africa.
As if it’s taboo to shine a light on how utterly shit life is in the US for this generation compared to the previous generation or the one before that, or the current generation in 50+ countries with better mortality, education, and happiness rates than the fucking US.
80+ million dead in two World Wars, 50+ million dead in the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic (most of them young people), and the ten year-long Great Depression. There were 10 recessions lasting more than 12 months between 1895 and 1929, and alcohol was outlawed from 1920-1933.
When they were children, child labor was widespread, as was corporal punishment. Few kids went to school beyond 11 or 12 years old. There was little to no electricity. Women couldn't vote.
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mHtt@lemmy.ca · 111 pts · 5d
dont forget:
boydster@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 5d
Oxycontin crisis, satanic panic, Columbine and the proliferation of the modern school shooting crisis, all the tobacco execs lying to congress about nicotine being addictive and facing no consequences, and the open and acknowledged deployment of weapons of war in space thus opening us up to a brand new version of the Cuban missile crisis... In Space (space space space)
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 5d
Oh we didn’t start the fire, it was always burning since the world’s been turning.
cb900f_bodhi@fedinsfw.app · 19 pts · 5d
War on Terror BS War on Drugs BS
It is a rather long list of BS
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 5d
Oh oh oh, and that one time George Bush collectively cock teased us all by almost choking to death on that pretzel.
We also had to deal with Obama giving us an iota of hope for a short period and then ends up all he wanted to do all day was drone strike poor people.
4am@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 5d
My biggest tinfoil hat take is that the fent was put there on purpose to punish drug culture, as the public discovered that many drugs that are scheduled aren't really as harmful or addictive as we're told when done in moderation, and they hated that they were losing control of the narrative that the police state is for your own protection.
So they decided to poison dissenters so they could say "See? Told you so." I don't think they quite realized how many opioid soccer moms were trying to cope at that point, but I wouldn't expect much competence from a government that was willing to purge their own citizens for the crime of "going to a rave occasionally".
potter2010@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 5d
Huh.
That actually makes sense.....
mHtt@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 5d
https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/F6/F693879994199D612C64EE9A4666E8EE_Crossing_The_Rubicon_Part_1.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3pl5Wxgyg
Enekk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
It wouldn't be the first time: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-u-s-government-poisoned-some-alcohol-during-prohibition/3283701001/
saltesc@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 5d
Don't forget all the climate stuff happening exactly as predicted like twenty years ago.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 5d
i thought they did those predictions in the 70s
axh@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
Yup, like he said twenty years... Oh, wait... I'm too old...
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 4d
And we need to start calling it, sucking up economics.
Also to add to your list.
urthoughtsrbad@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 4d
10 things we are so passionate about here’s what you’ve done for each, please correct me if I’m being too cynical of you personally, but this applies to most so:
Nothing
Nothing
Nothing, and how easy is it to get the ball rolling on union stuff
Nothing, consumed said media
Actively posting our worthless thoughts, we are ruining the internet rn
Voted for citizens united candidate or didn’t vote at all
Nothing
Nothing, maybe made the internet worse about it
Nothing
This is my favorite: nothing but with a sense of superiority for pointing it out
I don’t want you to take this as a personal attack but I feel like that’s what we as a generation are accomplishing in regards to your list.
These things are not some helpless thing we are assigned forever. We can be the change.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 64 pts · 5d
Don't forget the return of fascism 😮💨
CuddlesMcBubblefun@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 5d
Purely as an excuse to post this video, Fascism never really went away.... https://youtu.be/OLkPwxcIji0
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 5d
Every 100 years there will be a rise of facist, and only the Avatar can stop them.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 5d
Which one? The last airbender, one of those 10 feet tall blue guys with the magical ponytails, or someone else?
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 5d
This
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 4d
I am thinking this is the one we need
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4d
I would like to change my answer. We need this avatar.
With a side of them
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 50 pts · 5d
I'm really getting why "May you live in interesting times" is a curse
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5d
There seems to be no opting out...
cb900f_bodhi@fedinsfw.app · 33 pts · 5d
2 economic recessions?? If you don't count anything in the 80s or 90s then you at least have:
Dot com bubble
Subprime mortgage crisis
Covid
Whatever you wanna call what's been happening the past 2 to 4 years. I don't care what the stock market says. Working people are experiencing an economic downturn.
2??? WTF
unitedwithme@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 5d
I think it's millennial specific though is the point. I would've been too young to get what was going on in the 90s
Skyrmir@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5d
The dot com bubble was awesome for everyone that got out before the crash, and for most of the economy really. There's a reason no one gave a shit about Clinton getting a blowjob.
vrek@programming.dev · 7 pts · 5d
Bigger question...why would anyone care? Atleast Monica was an adult, yeah you could probably make a case for work place harassment but that's about it.
And before anyone says he was impeached for it, no. He was asked by congress if he had sexual relations with Monica. He said no. Evidence was revealed he had atleast a blow job, based on the stain on her blue dress. He was impeached for lying to congress and won basically by claiming a blow job wasn't "sexual relations".
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 5d
He was impeached because the GOP wanted to impeach him, no other reason necessary. The investigation started as a look into the Clintons' finances before pivoting to the affair after their operatives caught wind of it. Even the charge of lying to Congress (which failed because he'd asked them to define sexual relations and used that definition when stating he hadn't) was a last-ditch attempt to get him on anything they could after repeatedly failing for years.
They later repeated the tactic with the Benghazi/private email server "scandals" to discredit Hillary Clinton.
Forgottengoldfish@piefed.world · 28 pts · 5d
Don't forget Columbine and the birth of 'Zero Tolerance'
cholesterol@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 4d
Yeah, Y2K was really tough man. Just don't know how I made it.
Tabooki2@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
Y2K was a nightmare for us GenX. Months of overtime and late nights with lots of contractors coding 24/7. I hope I never have to go through that again.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
I also hope I don't live to see the year 10,000.
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 4d
Oh, we've got a few hurdles before then. The 32-bit unsigned counter for network time protocol resets in 2036, the GPS 10-bit week counter resets in 2038, and the old Unix signed 32-bit date also resets in 2038.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
I'd only ever heard of the Unix epoch one. It's interesting that three separate systems (with three different underlying data types) all overflow so closely together.
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 4d
Apparently the GPS one is a regular thing, every ~19 years.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 3d
Probably have been invented around the same time and tick up at about the same rate.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 4d
I remember in '99 the radio DJs loved talking about how there was a chance the world would end on new years, so there was a degree of anxiety, especially to dumb kids like myself
Tabooki2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
It would have been catastrophic if people didn't put in the work leading up to it.
Which was an absolute shit ton of work.
But we saved the day
NABDad@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
I changed jobs in late 99, so I got to go through all the Y2K bullshit in one job, then do it again in the new one.
One dude at my old job had his panties in a bunch because he said all the U.S. Navy ships were vulnerable and he said WW3 was going to start, but he was generally an idiot anyway, so that was par for the course.
In the new job I had to certify that DEC impact printers were Y2K certified. Which way basically me putting stickers on all of them saying they were certified because they weren't smart enough to care what the date was.
My boss at the new job required us to be onsite on January 1st, which was kind of a drag, but that's the way it goes. There was nothing for us to do. He stopped at a deli on the way in and picked up an absolutely fantastic pile of food for us, so it just became a casual brunch and we just kind of hung around eating and chatting until he was satisfied that nothing was going to go wrong.
I'd kill to know what the deli was. I was too young and stupid to save the name.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Even as a teenager I was pretty crystal-clear on the fact that anybody who knew anything about how a computer worked also knew that Y2K was not the cataclysmic society-ending event that the fucking braindead news media were making it out to be at the time.
Tabooki2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
It wasn't because everybody worked and put in what was required to fix it.
Any company with old code was in danger. Every Bank everything had to work their asses off to get all these changes made and test it. Still some things failed but it could have been much much worse if people didn't panic and put in the time to fix it
Etterra@discuss.online · 23 pts · 5d
It's worse for us Gen-Xers. We remember living as adults in the time before it all went from kinda shitty to the diarrhea apocalypse.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 18 pts · 5d
Yep, things looked positive for a short while after the end of the cold war and the Internet became widespread when we entered the workforce. The advancement of the human race only seemed a matter of time.
But our Boomer parents weren't willing to let anyone else have a bright future, keeping us away from any real power while driving exploitation of nature and people to the max to fill their bank accounts. If you look at the US, this is thill the case, with a gerontocratic political caste that fights tooth and claw to prevent the next generations from enacting change - somewhat like fucking elder vampires.
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 5d
'88 here. 9/11 sits at such a clear demarcation line for us. Happened in 8th grade where you're still straddling the fence that's childhood, while still capable of grasping the enormity of what was unfolding.
Though I also grew up in the rust belt, so there was always the sense that you were riding a wave that had long since crested.
Philippe23@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 5d
Try being a few years older and they brought you all into the cafeteria to watch the Challenger launch live.
🤩🚀💥🤯😭🪦
victorz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
'87 🙋♂️, I don't think it's worse for us than X'ers. 🤷♂️
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Wasn't really meant to be taken as which is worse or better.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Oh dang, you're right. I totally misread you.
I shouldn't be active online while having (what I think is) a fever. 🫠
BigBoyShuanzee@aussie.zone · 22 pts · 4d
Don't forget we're hated by baby boomers, Gen X, Gen Z and younger.
We're also expected to keep everything working while also treated like we're the most entitled.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 4d
Who gives a shit what boomers think, genx literally are incapable of giving a shit about anything and genz are in their 20's, what the fuck you care what a 20-something thinks about you? That's the glory of your 40's: you're fat, old and don't give a crap
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
boomers are millenial parents. everyone cares what their parents think.
gen x are gen z parents.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 4d
Genx to boomer parents. No. I do not give a shit what my parents think. Chiefly because i am 48 years old.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 4d
Yeah well there is something wrong with you then. The vast majority of people care very much what their family thinks of them.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 4d
Do you regularly have 'wanting to please your parents' define your actions as an adult?
You're supposed to have your own moral scaffolding and motivation in place by then, it's a rather large part of growing up
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d
My parents are dead. But pretty much everyone I have never known who has them be alive, very much considered how their actions will impact their parents admiration for them, yes.
No, you're not. You're supposed to inherent from your parents/culture/community. If you 'build your own scaffolding' you're a outlier and likely detached from your community.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 4d
Ah yes, who gives a shit that we're divided on fundamental levels like age?
What does it matter that young people hate older people on the simple basis of age? For that matter, why does it matter if someone is: racist, a misogynist, a misandrist, homophobic, transphobic? Who cares!
Smoothbrain
Taleya@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 4d
Mate you need to get off the outrage pipe and go outside.
A flippant comment about the subtle art of not giving a fuck or living your life under fear of how others perceive you did not warrant that response.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 4d
Because it's one more thing for millennials to whine about.
victorz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
What? Why? Everyone seems to like me lol. You're telling me they actually secretly hate me?
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 4d
Hold up. I'm GenX. I only hate Boomers.
I got nothing against millennials or younger. I even like whatever they're calling the new generation with their 67 rotted brains. They're simple folk, but hilarious.
BigBoyShuanzee@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 4d
I'm glad to hear that. Boomers are the ones who destroyed everything for everyone else.
isekaihero@ani.social · 3 pts · 4d
So much this. It boggles my mind that I was considered an "essential worker" and had to work every single day of the COVID shutdown when everyone else was staying home and social distancing. But I never got a raise or a bonus. I'm treated like dogshit stuck to my boss's shoe. Collectively Millennials are the current backbone of the United States workforce and we are expected to keep society running but we are treated like shit and are paid a fraction of what our boomer parents were making at our current age.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 5 pts · 4d
I'm genx, same both wife and I worked extra jobs during COVID, never worked from home. My boomer parents lived 100x better than me even during their "poor"years. Now retired, they still make quadruple what I do. I make less than I did 25 years ago, and that's not even making adjustments for inflation. I also have no savings, can't save when you can't afford to live. This economy is fucked. We also lived through all of those market upheavals and also the one in the '90s. It's been straight downhill since the boomers gen.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 4d
I certainly don't feel hated by Z.
I did mention skibidi toilets and 6 7 in front of a group of gen alphas and they literally cringed at me though lmao
Glytch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
Yeah, but it's fun to make the Alphas cringe. Why would I want a bunch of teenagers to think I'm cool?
callouscomic@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 4d
Am a millennial.
Okay, so:
Gen Alpha has experienced the pandemic, economic shock and recession around that time, followed by insane inflation, the AI disruption and uncertainty, and climate and extreme weather disruption as well. Not even mentioning wars.
Millennials have all that, and the Great Recession, the dot com crash, I guess we could mention 9/11, but like most people were not directly impacted by that but rather the wars after, the housing affordability crisis, and I dunno, maybe the Super Bowl Timberlake-Jackson incident, sure chuck that in.
Gen X has all that, the savings and loan crisis in the 80s-90s, Black Monday, recessions in the 80s, stagflation in their early adulthood and teen years, oil crises, and fucking Milli Vanilli.
And then Baby Boomers... well... whatever. I'm already tired of doing this. Every generation deals with a lotta shit.
And again we kinda glossed over wars.
Let's have some real fun.
The late Roman "Are We Seriously Doing This Again?" generation born circa 235-260 CE. They experienced the empire nearly falling apart as emperors were replaced like Walmart greeters, a plague to live through, a shit ton of wars and economic debasement along with political instability destroyed any economy they had, foreign invasions were an average Tuesday, and then I think Rome split into basically east and west and the Capitol lost control.
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 4d
Yeah, generations get amnesia when they don't listen to their elders.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 4d
It's important to learn history, but "listen to your elders" is just toxic bullshit. Every elder I knew growing up that talked that way was a fucking dick.
flandish@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
ain’t no war but class war.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4d
I think Yemeni schoolbuses hit by US missiles might be more than just a class war.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Yemen? The country right next to one of the world's largest trade routes? The intervention there seems even more obviously economically motivated than most.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Except those bombs and a gun to the face.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
Thank you.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 4d
Y2K also didn't really result in anything because it was a fixable problem that got acted upon. Most of us would have been in school around that time too.
Also don't really see the problem with 9/11, surely the vast majority of people wouldn't have been involved in any way or known anyone who was? Of course its a bigger issue for those that were, but it seems odd to stick it in as a generational experience. I didn't even hear about it until a day or two later when it happened to be on the news before school.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 4d
Agreed. I was playing off the meme, but I especially agree about 9/11. Aside from the fear of a draft, unless a young millennial went into the military, or someone lived near the incident in NY or knew people personally affected, most of us were unaffected.
Also, plenty of worse incidents have occurred where WAY more people died. I have always found the 9/11 obsession to just be toxic nationalist propaganda. If the US actually gave a shit about it, perhaps it wouldn't have been so fucking hard to give affected first responders the Healthcare they deserve.
Kennystillalive@feddit.org · 21 pts · 5d
It's 2 pandemies. People like to forget H1N1... & at least 4 recessions since the 90s.. & the rise of Neo-Faschism should definetly be there as well.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 5d
Not to mention BSE, we got that the head-end of that one as well. And of course the planet literally burning.
Zugyuk@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 5d
Don't forget the current climate apocalypse. That will literally end everything
belunos@lemmus.org · 17 pts · 5d
Toss in the existential threat of nuclear war and you can include genx
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 7 pts · 5d
Yep. We went from the cold war to more hopeful times just to fall into despair even worse than before.
mrsilkworm@piefed.social · 17 pts · 5d
Zink@programming.dev · 5 pts · 4d
This version gives me Christopher Lee vibes, and we all know how much Saruman loves floods.
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 15 pts · 4d
Lol @ Y2K being mentioned on par with all this other shit. Never in life have I experienced such a huge nothing burger.
ccunix@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 4d
It was nothing because of the HUGE work that went into avoiding the problem.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
It was a huge amount of work that paid extraordinarily well. One could argue that Y2K was a kind-of Keynesian program for software developers, spawning an entire generation of 90s upper-income schlubs and mini-millionaire bosses.
Everyone from Marc Andressen to Mark Cuban owe their personal fortunes to the enormous infusion of cash into the IT sector created by the Y2K business boom. Incidentally, the bottom fell out of the tech market in... 2001.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Sure, but millenials didn't do that work. Most of us were like 10 when Y2K happened
qarbone@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 4d
Yes, but it's being mentioned alongside things that widely and tangibly affected the (American) populace. Y2K did not have many actual effects for the average person, just a couple of knock-on effects created more from people's fear of Y2K.
Bahnd@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 4d
There was an immense effort to rectify the issue, same with the ozone crisis. Cant say the same for current issues, most news has to both-sides everything and there are much more (or atleast more prominent) contrarians like the anti-vaxers. Never again will we see a unified front against a global issue because someone will always benifit personally if failure is on the table.
CedricWhaley@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 4d
But the people putting in that effort weren't millennials, it was their parents.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 4d
What have millennials put effort into except complain about how much things are worse for them? At Least Gen X had the fortitude to say 'huck it, I just don't care and won't participate'.
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 4d
It was overhyped but for the wrong reasons; very simply said it was like converting systems to use 64bit instead of 32 so they could handle the bigger numbers we were gonna needEdit: too simply said and also wrong.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 4d
Don't forget all the forever wars.
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
You just triggered me. ToT
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 5d
Hmm, not a good sign that this meme is being extended every few years...
vane@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 4d
Still easier than people born 100 years ago.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 16 pts · 4d
You're not wrong, but it was easier for people born 60 years ago
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
Nah. If you were born in 1966, by the time you turned 30 you lived through Vietnam, the AIDS epidemic, the civil rights movement, Desert Storm, and you spent your entire life with nuclear apocalypse hanging over you in the form of the cold war. And the US economy wasn't doing great either until the 90s.
Jyek@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 4d
But in America, you could afford groceries most of that time.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
No, they couldn't afford groceries then either. Goodness. Like do people forget the oil crisis in the 70's? Wonder why so many receipes came out about Jello and microwaves?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d
In fairness, microwaves went mainstream in the 1980s. Most people didn't have them in the ten years prior.
There's a joke in the movie "American Hustle", taking place in 1978, about the lead character getting a $3,000 "Science Oven" as a bribe.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
Aids and nuclear war I agree but for someone born in 1966, they would be too young to be personally affected by Vietnam and the oil shocks of the 70s and by the time the Cold War ended and the 90s came about they'd be earning well . The Simpsons broadcast in 1989 and Homer was a blue collar worker who owned a house on one income with a stay-at-home wife and three kids. That was possible at the time.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 3d
If you were born in 66, you were 8 when Vietnam ended. The civil rights movement was pretty much done by 74 as well. You might have fought in Desert Storm, but that was so small and quick the odds of you being there are pretty small. The AIDS epidemic was bad, but if you didn't live in a major city you likely wouldn't have known anyone with AIDS. The Cold War pretty was winding down by the time you were born and the threat of nuclear apocalypse was mostly bit really worth worrying about by the 80s.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 4d
*If you were white and American
tetris11@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 4d
True -- but it is seemingly less so today for white americans (an exeedingly large demographic) to be able to afford basic lifestyles.
It does suggest a major shift in affordability if your main christian white majority can't buy groceries
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Shhh, chronically online white youth don't want to talk about that. Hell if you were a woman you couldn't even have a bank account on your own until 1974.
Hawke@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
That’s not actually true though. The banks were not required to allow women to open bank accounts but plenty did anyway.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d
So if the bank manager of your town felt slighted that you didn't go with him to prom he could deny you a next step in life? Yeah. That's not so bad.
Edit: I'm not saying you are wrong.
Hawke@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Oh for sure, it’s not a sensible way to run things.
There’s advantages and disadvantages of allowing local/personal discretion.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
Was it? Measles and AIDS. Vietnam and Stagflation and Segregation. Nixon and leaded gasoline and crack cocaine. The height of the Cold War. The forty-year run of de-industrialization. Some of the darkest days of the Civil Rights Movement.
It only seems easy because you didn't have to live through it.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Unfortunately that isn't even true either.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 5d
I was rippin' Rust a few years ago, especially after reading Stephen Markley's The Deluge and having a bit of a breakdown. Then I was
Then the anxiety counter got to 999,999 and ticked back over to 000,000 and broke, so now I'm just sorta
getting more weird and whimsy instead of more anxious.
I don't have any kids of my own. I feel sorry for the other people's kids but I wish them all the best in the cannibal wars to come.
Pistcow@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 5d
FYI, there's going to be another Y2K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
4am@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 5d
Isn't this one already largely patched including most 32-bit operating systems that were still getting updates like 20 years ago?
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 5d
That was my impression as well, but we also really shouldn't underestimate the remaining percentage of unpatched software, especially for embedded software.
We are building hardware with software included right now, which will still be on roads, in doctor's offices, broadcast stations, manufacturing lines, water pumps etc. in 2038.
And I can guarantee you that some of the hardware manufacturers will cheap out and put in too little memory for a larger clock.
Mainly because no customer asks for it at this point, but also because they won't be liable in a decade from now.
Pistcow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
Ok, so my mega corp company's InfoSec decided to turn off network file sharing for company assets with unknown user which seems smart but the house of cards is held up by closet "desktop servers" from people that long ago left the company. The day this happens all systems Enterprise wide goes down for 48 hours. I'm talking 100k+ employees just unable to do anything, even unlock doors in buildings. They finally just revert and call it a day. Most thought it was a cyber attack but my IT guy asked me if I had any unknown assets and what their plan was. Told him this is exactly what would happen having found a few of these closet servers.
Serious, there's an ancient Zebra printer that spits out some random barcode stickers every now and then and I thought to unplug it but doing so creates some weird interaction that will crash some serious dependencies.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5d
i guess my question is how badly is it going to fuck up all my old coworkers' excel spreadsheets. i hope it's a lot.
if they're still using those same sheets in 12 years, they need to hire me again to design them new ones.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 5d
Why would you use a signed int to represent system time...
4am@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 5d
In order to be able to reference times prior to the epoch. If you made the system clock unsigned, all that math would still break if you did calculations against it after the final bit flipped.
At the time all this was standardized, no one knew we'd ever have gigabytes of RAM, terabytes of storage, etc. 32 bits for a clock was already expensive and they figured we wouldn't be using any of this software by 2038.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 5d
64bit wasn't widely adopted when they had to fix the previous datetime crisis. The permanent solution is to upgrade your system to use x64 signed dates. Many systems are already starting to account for this
As the article mentions, the biggest problem will be embedded systems that get forgotten about and never get updated… many many things will break at that time, unexpectedly, and in subtle ways. As a normal consumer, your up-to-date devices like mobile phone and laptop should^TM^ be unaffected.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 5d
Doesn't need to be 64 bit to be unsigned... And the system clock only goes up, so no need to represent system time as earlier than 1970...
9point6@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5d
If you want computers to not have an arbitrary line in the sand when referring to the past, you need to be able to do calculations with time from before the epoch, that's why it needs to be signed.
Off the top of my head, working out the age of someone born before 1970 is going to be a calculation that happens countless times a day
Venator@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 5d
You don't need the precision of seconds for that sort of calculation however, so can use a signed int representing date rather than datetime for that.
9point6@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 5d
"Generally" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your responses
Unless it covers all use cases, it's not good enough, because that's what we basically already have today.
We all settled on using seconds (and later smaller increments) since the 1970 epoch across systems because it makes moving data around easier.
It's better to have one source of truth value and then you derive everything else from that, keeping a 2nd counter of days (which would also need to be signed, there's no first date of all time) rather than just doing some maths when you need it isn't good system design
Edit: and surreptitiously editing "generally" out of your comments, after I mentioned it, just makes the statement false, as well as both being kinda poor etiquette and missing the point a bit
huppakee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
Can we please just handle thing one y at a time.
majster@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 5d
Lol. The worst thing that can happen is war. I will be very grateful if I don't have to endure it in my lifetime.
But burgerstanis surrounded by two oceans are complaining about burgers and gas while sowing death and conflict around the world.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 1 pts · 5d
Time to stop feeding the empire.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 10 pts · 4d
Millennials didn’t have to do anything or worry about anything at all with Y2K. I’m an older millennial and we were barely of working age.
irish_link@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d
Living through, not working through.
There was constant reports about how disastrous it was going to be if it wasn’t fixed. That puts some strain on people. I remember thinking that it didn’t matter what I did for a job if everything collapses.
jade52@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 4d
I still remember the hype about it, and wondering if something would actually happen. I was 12 and sleeping over at my friends house on NYE. We were all a bit excited to see what midnight would bring.
BarnWolf@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d
Not to mention the many "once in a lifetime" nature events that have happened as well.
gorkur@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d
Can't be. He's smoking.
They took that away from us too.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 3d
I know that it is one of the most senselessly self destructive acts that one can commit, and that many people think it smells bad, and that it is a representation of class struggle and poor education, but I miss when all of the Cool people that didn't give a fuck hung out outside of a workplace swapping stories whilst killing themselves at similar rates.
I guess people could stand around and look at their phone for fifteen minutes part way through their shift, but it doesn't hold the gravity of wincing against a sheet of sleet and recalling the harrowing tale of the Nor' Easter of '95. Or that one time Sheila kicked you out of the apartment for No Reason during the Nor' Easter of '95.
If I see someone out on a 15 they have their headphones on because they have their reality so bespokely edited that their world is filled with carefully selected music or bantering friends they will never meet.
The shrooms are wearing off, so I should stop yelling at clouds soon.
adminofoz@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 3d
Smoking is bad and kills you. But it was the last place we had to be social. Now people dont even go outside to smoke cause they just lowkey hit their vape indoors.
I used to think the old timers were lame for talking about "back in my day", but now i realize what decades of the enshitifcation of everything does to people.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d
Change has been accelerating so the intensity of differences between today and "back in my day" is only increasing with time. Millenials won't need to exaggerate to get the same effect boomers needed to exaggerate their stories for.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d
Gen Z will be like, 'I used to have to ask strangers if they had games on their phones, Alphas get their first tablet as soon as their eyes can focus. Kids nowadays! I was bored for MINUTES at a time, and I didn't complain!'
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
I saw a breadtube that posited that one of the reasons that cigarettes really took off (aside from marketing) is that it gave men and women a reason/excuse to talk.
I believe it was also before any sort of worker's rights, so most things were highly sexually segregated and everyone just worked until the boss got tired.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 5d
Yeah, as a fresh 44 year old, I’d really love to have a boring decade where nothing much happens. Just a bit of a breather before the inevitable climate wars. I’ve lived through so many ‘once in a lifetime’ events, it’s not even funny.
Delphia@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 5d
Like we can afford to smoke.
xSikes@feddit.online · 9 pts · 5d
Multiple wars + Jan 6
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 3d
From millennial perspective Y2K was a no event. Nothing happened and they weren't developers fixing software to ensure that nothing happened.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 4d
On the older side of millennial, I vaguely remember the opening news broadcasts of the Gulf war.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d
I'm trying to remember the name of it, but there's a micro-generation made up of late X and early millennial (Like 78-85 or sokething) that's seen as the transition generation from the analog world to the digital world.
We're old enough to clearly remember pre-digital/internet life, but young enough to have been exposed to tech while our brains were still developing. We're the generation that's comfortable in both worlds.
We're also good with computers generally because we developed alongside them and had to learn more about their inner workings and quirks as they were less automatic. All my new college graduates at work are surprisingly illiterate on tech because they grew up in a world of apps that are so automated they didn't have to learn anything.
Stuff as simple as navigating a network is weird to them, because they're used to apps just handling stuff like file locations.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
Found a fellow Xennial
Taleya@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 4d
Limnals
wittymcusername@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4d
I used to like the briefly-mentioned contender “Generation Catalano”, after the character from My So-Called Life. But Jared Leto pretty much ruined that by being Jared Leto.
wet_bones@lemmy.4d2.org · 1 pts · 4d
Xillennial is the word you're looking for. Do you still remember how to write a
pppscript?chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
I still make batch files for everyday tasks. They're just so damn handy.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4d
And then the transition between millennials and zoomers is zillennials
Ismay@programming.dev · 4 pts · 4d
Don't forget Tchernobyl and the fall of the Berlin wall...
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
That's gotta be gen X, right?
Taleya@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 4d
Absolutely, i'm arse end genx and was 12 when the wall came down
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 4d
Hello arse
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
And older millennials, though more vaguely.
Ismay@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2d
Yeah I'm on that category. 83. Remember very vaguely Tchernobyl. For the wall, I even remember that some magazin were selling part of the wall
dkppunk@piefed.social · 2 pts · 4d
Also an elder millennial. I don’t remember much of the news broadcasts, but I remember being at the playground, looking up into the sky, and seeing all the planes leaving Maguire AFB/Fort Dix. I lived directly under the flight path of the bases and I remember my mom saying something about the US going to war because of all the military planes. A few days later, it was announced we were at war.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 5d
And super el ninos, multiple 21st century wars, and watching technology advanced so fast it devolved.
Bluedragon012@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
So, when do we get.. A break? Like did Karma get really high and forgot to help us out or? Do we get that peaceful life yet? Or are we doomed to forever being the witnesses and victims to this horrible time line?
Shindo66@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
The AMOC is collapsing, we get nothing and like it...
reka@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
Add next year's "biggest il niño in 500-1000" years to the list
TootSweet@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d
God I hope the AI bubble doesn't stretch all the way until I'm 45.
the_q@piefed.social · 6 pts · 5d
As the oldest millennial I'm tired.
farmgineer@nord.pub · 10 pts · 5d
Xennial here. Every time I eke out some sort of stability, the world takes it away. About to likely lose my job which would also end with losing my house and the ability to get another one. Nothing hiring in my industry in the area, no one wants a remote backend engineer in Japanese timezones, and I'm very much done.
If I live through this, I get the bonus of basically having no real retirement options at all, either.
the_q@piefed.social · 5 pts · 5d
At least we're the smartest generation!
db2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5d
the_q@piefed.social · 8 pts · 5d
I mean, yeah... Gen Z is the first generation to be less intelligent than the previous generation ergo we're smartest generation.
db2@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 5d
I can't tell if you're serious..
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 5d
He is, i saw the study too. Last generational study that came out showed a small, but statistically relevant drop in intelligence in Gen Z relative to their predecessors, which is the first drop ever since we can measure these things.
And why wouldn't we see that? General education institutions have been under attack for decades now, and tinkering with your stuff is becoming more and more illegal and discouraged by the hollowing out of the concept of ownership. Software has been reduced to smartphone apps for most people, and critical thinking is seen as dangerous by many states including the US and is therefore discouraged. And let's not forget that most people are living paycheck to paycheck and do not have the headroom to engage critically with their surroundings.
db2@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 4d
That isn't what I'm talking about though. 🤦♂️
the_q@piefed.social · 1 pts · 4d
I am serious.
db2@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 4d
I know 💀
teslekova@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 4d
It's literally true as measured by IQ scores. Look it up.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5d
At least you got a warning. Wish i did /s
4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 5d
Holy fuck, you posted almost word for word my situation as well. I'm not a remote backend engineer though, and I'm not in a Japanese timezone.
I"m even worse off because I managed to save myself a decent nest egg - but they're going to crash the market and it will be fucking worthless.
dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 5d
Depending on the exact setup, it does not have to be. Assuming it's in stocks or a stock fund, you can always hedge it against downturns with options. Of course I do absolutely recommend really understanding that first before using it, as you can also gamble and lose money faster. But when you do, contracts exist that allow you to 'configure' a portfolio that, temporarily, will cancel out any market drops. Barring ethical reservations, of course. Naturally, that also carrries the risk that the bank selling the contract goes tits up, but it seems you're already in that boat. To manage that, you can aim for diversification across multiple banks and instruments. Not an advertisement or anything, but since covid I've found directly owned old-school crypto to be a good hedge in rough times (but need to get in low and work in the 2-5year timeframe). But for the love of god, leave out all emotions, calculate with a spreadsheet and don't put all eggs in one basket.
I'm not any kind of advisor, just got pissed about the shit economic situations we lived through and looked into what can be done about it.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 5d
And 2008 toxic asset banking crisis
huppakee@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 5d
Isn't that the first of the two economic crises?
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 5d
Oh maybe,yeah.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 5d
Gen X: they forgot us again
kandoh@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 4d
The generation that's more pro trump than any other 🤢
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 3d
Y2K wasen’t I big deal to live through… nothing happened. There was more hype for Star Wars episode one
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 3d
It was a pretty big deal, it just didn't amount to anything. But a lot of people were worried about it.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 3d
My friend had one of the very few personal computers that was actually at risk from the timekeeping issue. The only real threat was that some important computer somewhere was forgotten in the patching that happened beforehand and could cause a cascading failure or something. Otherwise I remember a news story about the old people who had headstones that were pre-carved with 19__ in the death date.
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3d
I know you’re right. I’m just saying living through It as an early teen wasen’t a big deal.
911 and Columbine affected me way more
Taleya@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 3d
As someone who was working tech in 1999 i will shove forks in your buttocks if you say that again
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3d
Lulz, sorry dude. I think I was 12ish at the time. But because of your hard work. It was smooth sailing for me.
I thank you for your service.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
It took several billion dollars and basically every computer engineer with the knowledge to make sure Y2K "wasen't I big deal to live through".
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3d
They saw the storm Coming and plotted a course. Because of that, living through it for me wasn’t a big deal.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 5d
Soon it will be 3 financial recessions...
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 4d
This is exactly the reason Billy Joel wrote We Didn’t Start the Fire.
Every generation has its challenges.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
Two recessions as adults.
piconaut@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 4d
"They" being the Talking Heads?
Same as it ever was
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d
And the days go by...
scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 4d
I ain't even thirty and I only "missed" Y2K, ha.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 3d
There was a lot of toilet paper and investing in gold.
In retrospect, I wish I had dumped my savings into gold rather than buying that sweet Matrix leather jacket.
Blow jobs are fleeting. Gold is forever.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5d
Gen X had Reagan and LA Riots and the .com bubble burst and Gulf War and Waco and Columbine in addition.
We are ready to die, thank you I must be going. Sorry
Rothe@piefed.social · 2 pts · 5d
You forgot the Cold War.
GodofLies@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 3d
I think the bigger picture is missed here - it's the natural environment that is suitable for humans to exist that has been pillaged, razed, and sold off for cheap while a handful few have become obscenely wealthy as the guardrails that were put in place to prevent/mitigate such environmental extraction are dismantled all in the name of short term gains. While the guardrails can be placed back in relatively quickly, it is the raping and the alternation of the natural environment that is not easily reversed - if even possible at all right now.
That is the real cards current and future generations have to deal with or the lack of...the longer we ignore this issue, the worse it will get. Tragedy of the commons.
But I will also mention that millennials were pretty much sold lies at every turn while growing up.
db2@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5d
Same picture when they realize Zuckerberg is one of their own?
atro_city@fedia.io · 4 pts · 3d
And they want people to make kids through all of it too.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 5d
Sorry, what? I was gaming
Venator@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 5d
Eh, could be worse... It's still the best time to be alive in some respects...
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 5d
It could be considerably better as well.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5d
Yeah, but... 🥴
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 5d
I had a friend tell me - you don't get to pick your place in history, but there's always something worthwhile to observe. Most people don't live through the end of an empire, social decay, and ultimately... well, we know this won't end well. But there's something deeply romantic about being part of the resistance - I mean hell look at how much art is made about that.
Now obviously you have to ignore some things like how you can't afford groceries and your life expectancy is going down (you're already unable to afford rich people medical care, which is now diverging from the rest of us). But it's really nothing compared to any historical turbulence like this. We aren't in famine. Our life expectancy is way UP since then.
I can't change any of this (beyond the serious community organizing I'm doing anyway) so looking at different perspectives is the only way to stay sane.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 5d
The climate catastrophe will wipe it all away. Tabula Rasa. At least I'm not worried about retirement any more.
socsa@piefed.social · 2 pts · 3d
Hard men make good times ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Good times make soft men.
Soft men like to take a little nap
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 4d
crashfrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
“Living through Y2K”? What does that even mean?
daddycool@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
Don't you remember all the computers bursting into flames and every nuclear bombs going off?
crashfrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 3d
I specifically remember how that didn’t happen. Because people did a lot of work, sure; but what could it possibly mean to have “lived through” other people doing work and solving problems?
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 3d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem
Hundreds of billions of dollars were spent on mitigation.
crashfrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 3d
Yeah but what does it mean to “live through” that?
thedarkfly@feddit.org · 2 pts · 4d
Stop with the supposed imminent AI apocalypse. It won't happen. It's a fantasy dreamt up by fanatic techbros and used to justify why they are fucking society and the climate, all starting from a Harry Potter fanfiction. Really.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 2 pts · 4d
The AIpocalypse will be the 3rd
Impacteconomic crisis, don't worryeyesaremosaics@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 4d
More like an AI bubble collapse
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 5d
possible!?
aproposnix@piefed.social · 2 pts · 3d
Generation X lived through the Cold War, the oil crisis, the Powell Memo (the beginning of the corporate takeover), Reaganomics, neoliberal deregulation, the aids epidemic, the threat of nuclear annihilation, Y2K, 9/11, a pandemic, 2 economic recessions, and a possible AI apocalypse along with more nuclear annihilation threats and watches as America turns into a fascist hellscape all before they hit 57 years old.
Yay, we win.
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d
Dot.com bust?
CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 3d
Most of those happened before we were 10 years old therefore we were unaware & unaffected, and Y2K was a big ball of nothing. So I'd say we're about equally politically traumatized as millennials except we had way funner childhoods 😜
aproposnix@piefed.social · 1 pts · 3d
I very much remeber being a kid and having a very cold apartment in winter because the energy costs were sky high. I still layer like I'm in Antarctica every winter and try to never turn up the heat (though that is a meme I guess).
We were the first with video games though.
CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
I'll never forget Christmas 1979 or 1980 Dad bought the family our first gaming console, an Atari 2600, and I'll never forget that they said it cost $100, and apparently that was a lot of money back then. My dad was 30 years old and had bought the house we were living in when he was 26 years old, a newly built single -family home in a new subdivision, a 26-year-old supporting a family of 4 on one income 🤯
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Y2K was only nothing because people around the world rallied to address it. I guess we can rally for some things.
ThisGuyScrolls@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
Yup.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3d
Odd not to include the 2008 or COVID crashes.
redditStinksSuperBad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
As a millennial, these posts are cringe af.
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
I just put dogs in my ass. You don't have to think about it, it just happens to you then you bow right into the an other net gone rightly to ir.
spacegoat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
Can add about 30 more items to that list
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Think you forgot a couple wars, I mean special operations, or whatever.
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 3d
I'm just glad that I wasn't born in 1890. A world war, then the great depression, then another world war.
jade52@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 4d
I'm in this meme and I don't like it.
diegantobass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
Hey, how about we nationalize the shit out of the economy for a while?
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 5d
How about we forcefully democratize it instead. Any company above 50 million € worth or deemed system-relevant forced to become a cooperative or similar worker-owned democratic structure. Of course the money from irresponsibly rich investors stay with the workers when it's pulled from the s̶t̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶e̶x̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ casino, they can get a participation trophy or sth., those who didn't hoard money before eventually being paid out and/or offered to fully join the coop.
Way better I think, and something never truly done before. Nationalizing it would lead to a planned economy… that one loves to fail. Larger cooperatives who aren't being dictated on the other hand are awfully stable, to my knowledge.
Anyway, eat the rich.
diegantobass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
That's a great idea. Coop are great as a mode of organizing one company, or every company independently, for that matter. But I feel that we also need to address the broader inter-cooperative market dynamics. The current system is "planned" in a way: actors with extreme wealth can pretty much plan whatever the f they want. State are just actors like any others. Except that they are where democratic political powers rest. And in a sense, and as extremely avert to power concentration as I am, I feel like shifting the planning power of the economical landscape back to actors that are the most equipped to translate democratical political powers, is the way to go here. No market is free unless we make it.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 2d
True. There has to be an upper limit of wealth for the individual as well. Nobody, absolutely nobody ever requires more than… idk, 10 mil?
Everything else… well… trickles down (via taxes and welfare and social programs, investment in culture et cetera)
diegantobass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
I might be a bit extreme but I just watched Blame it on Fidel! with one of my kids.
Nobody should have to worry about getting anything ever. Everything should be free. The only reason we have to pay for things is because a few hoard most things for surplus value. Sure, we would probably have to share a lot of stuff. But if you really want to have something because you need it, have it.
urthoughtsrbad@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 4d
Not all millennials are trying to become emo boomers who talk about how much tougher they had it.
Last I checked nobody here died in a tower, and everyone here survived Covid.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 4d
If you talk to someone who died on a tower or by covid you might have a career as a medium.
atro_city@fedia.io · 2 pts · 3d
Survivoship bias in full bloom
urthoughtsrbad@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 3d
Genius on full display.
Not at all what survivorship bias is.
Enjoy the upvotes from the other self absorbed millennials.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
Before COVID I was lucky to find a warm corner of the refrigerator box before my six brothers came storming back from the mines.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 3d
It's true, some millennials are out here trying to be gen x and shitting on everything and everyone. Undiagnosed mentel illness is a fucking privilege you wankers.
urthoughtsrbad@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 3d
Undiagnosed mental issue here is narcissism if anything.
Tabooki2@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 4d
Glytch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
According to this slop all that happened after you hit 40? How old are you?
Or did you just not bother to proofread what the robot vomited out? Typical lazy gen Xer, can't even make their own meme.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
What’s wild is, it takes soooo little effort to just crop the top off, then add a new black header and drop some text on it.
Tabooki2@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
Now that's funny. Somebody younger than a Gen x are calling them lazy
Glytch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Gen X is known to be the laziest generation if they're known at all. Y'all made zero lasting impact on society. You made no identity for yourselves so you just slouch into identifying with either of the surrounding generations. Most of you are just lazier Boomers.
Tabooki2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Wow! That's a funny take. Us Gen. X raised ourselves, raised our siblings. Learned how to control our emotions, learned how to cook, clean while children. And learned how to play without the internet.
Then we built the web and everything that goes along with it. Whether Gen x and boomers you would have none of this that you're using a communicator right now. That phone your using was built by us. The databases that run this social app. Same. Pretty much everything you take for granted now that didn't exist for us was built by us.
Calling us lazy is ridiculous as every Gen x I know worked multiple jobs including myself and my wife. The grind was real as times were extremely tough in the '90s within 12% inflation at times and double digit unemployment. Things that people now wouldn't even be able to deal with. Gen Z is too concerned about their feeling and emotions to even be good workers today.
Tell me something gen Z has built.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
LMAO you taking credit for things that either boomers or millennials did is exactly what I would expect from your generation.
Tabooki2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Now that's funny. Let me guess. You weren't born yet to be around and see what they were doing. Millennials rode our coat trails and genz are emotional basket cases
Glytch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
No, I was there. Y'all had no coattails to ride, yet you're somehow more entitled than the Boomers.
protist@retrofed.com · -7 pts · 5d
I'm an elder Millennial, and I think all y'all need to pick up a fucking history book. Ask someone born in 1895 how their life went, please.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5d
Oh fuck off lol.
Elder Millennial as if that means a rats ass.
Like saying compare your life to those who lived through the black plague, or there’s starving kids in Africa.
As if it’s taboo to shine a light on how utterly shit life is in the US for this generation compared to the previous generation or the one before that, or the current generation in 50+ countries with better mortality, education, and happiness rates than the fucking US.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 1 pts · 5d
Any of them still alive so I can ask?
protist@retrofed.com · 5 pts · 5d
80+ million dead in two World Wars, 50+ million dead in the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic (most of them young people), and the ten year-long Great Depression. There were 10 recessions lasting more than 12 months between 1895 and 1929, and alcohol was outlawed from 1920-1933.
When they were children, child labor was widespread, as was corporal punishment. Few kids went to school beyond 11 or 12 years old. There was little to no electricity. Women couldn't vote.