Ppl say this with such conviction but what about your bank website? What if it becomes industry standard and you have no other options? Just going to keep all your money in cash?
I have a hard time believing all banks, including local credit unions, will simultaneously adopt this tech. And if they all do, maybe will I have to consider cash after all. But in the meantime, I'll switch to a banking solution that doesn't.
It starts with them making things much cheaper if you give them your data. Little do Americans know their full data set could be worth tens of thousands of dollars. That may be a lot to the average citizen but for corps and government, it's pennies to them.
I refuse to have a phone line. I only get one for a month when I'm looking for a job. Got tired of paying a subscription fee just to get spam calls. All my communication is done through messaging apps and the only time I don't have access to wifi is when I'm driving.
That still requires getting personal information about the user, which is often enough without 2FA. 2FA still makes it more secure than not having it. It's still a vulnerable step though, so users should be aware of that.
Just a heads up, you can get a free phone number from Google, and probably other providers. If you've got a computer of some kind and an internet connection, you can make calls and texts from there. If that's all you're getting a phone for, don't bother with the actual device.
I don't know about Google's "free" numbers, but third-party VOIP numbers are usually blocked for 2FA verification. I've tried that. Most places won't accept it, because they know you're trying to get around the tracking. The 2FA isn't the point, and the cost of the phone isn't the point, the tracking is the point, and Google's "free" numbers are absolutely tracking you just as effectively as any telecom is.
Google Voice user for 15 years and I've had about 3 instances where my number wasn't usable for 2FA, mostly because, to your point, by the time companies that care about security learned about voip #s they realized they are mostly used legitimately and sms was insecure anyway. Luckily I found a great FOSS auth app, which I prefer to sms anyway; especially if traveling I don't have to depend on a mobile connection to be able to complete 2FA.
Probably SMS or in-app 2FA. That's what annoys me about banks: they claim to do things for security -- which in their case it makes sense because they don't need to harvest data to make money -- but then go ahead and roll their own instead of using standards.
Sometimes it feels like people forget this used to be the only option. Was it a little annoying? Yeah. But oh well.
Ironically I remember reading somewhere that part of the reason people are so consistently shitty to each other is they forgot how to deal with the millions of little face to face interactions we had pre-internet in order to get things done in life. How ironic would it be if big tech forced us back into that mold and we all became a bit nicer because of it?
I have never seen a captcha (much less a third-party service one) on my bank website. And the day I do is the day I walk into a branch and demand all my accounts be closed on the spot so I can take my business somewhere else. I understand the fear, but if the fear comes true, then this is a hill worth dying on. Be prepared to fight. We have to fight.
My previous bank was messing me around and making things awkward for me, so I rang them up and told them they needed to fix it to go back to the way I wanted, or I was taking our current account and savings accounts elsewhere. They just told me they couldn't by policy. I made a complaint. They said they couldn't by policy.
I did my research over the next couple of weeks and then I walked into a branch and asked for a printout of all my direct debits and standing orders. The teller did as I asked. That evening I got a phone call apologising and offering me exactly what I asked for.
No. Fuck you. You didn't listen, you didn't believe me, you just shat on me for as long as you thought it didn't affect you, and then as soon as you saw I evidence I was serious now you want to fix it? No. Fuck off. Good riddance. I got myself a new bank thank you very much, where I got to choose how it worked.
The time to keep me was when I asked nicely or when I asked nicely again or when I complained. Once I've put time in researching other options, it's way too late.
Before the EU legislated that banks should all make it easy to automatically transfer all bill payments etc over to a new current account, you would need to set these up yourself on your new account. There's only one reason really that you would ask for all of that information, and the bank knew I was taking physical action to leave them.
There's some pretty obvious middle ground before making a deposit to the First National Bank of My Mattress. You could find a different bank that doesn't use those captchas, or even do all your banking in person.
Ppl say this with such conviction but what about your bank website?
Prepaid debit cards exist. Load money at any convenience store. You can even get a routing number/account number for it so you can direct deposit to it. You call a number to check your balance or lock your card.
What if it becomes industry standard and you have no other options?
There's no such thing on the internet. Most lemmy instances with a captcha use hcaptcha or similar since its cheaper (free, in fact), as an example.
Loading prepaid debit cards at gas stations sounds like a rough life. I'd like to think that I'd have more conviction for privacy if it came to that, but everyone has their line I guess.
Doesn't affect 90+% of people, and the remaining population frankly doesn't deserve privacy since they don't have anything to complain about.
Loading prepaid debit cards at gas stations sounds like a rough life. I’d like to think that I’d have more conviction for privacy if it came to that, but everyone has their line I guess.
Genuinely not bad unless you're a complete shut-in. It's also how the bottom 20% of Americans deal with online bill pay and interact financially with the digital world.
If you're living under capitalism and not investing in any way, that's not really some noble act, it's you voluntarily staying broke and dependent on others in the future.
Should at least have some form of retirement fund going so you don't have to leech off the taxes paid by the young when you're old.
If you’re living under capitalism and not investing in any way, that’s not really some noble act, it’s you voluntarily staying broke and dependent on others in the future.
I'll let you know when I magically have spare money in the worst global economy since the great depression.
Should at least have some form of retirement fund going so you don’t have to leech off the taxes paid by the young when you’re old.
No one checks their 401k often. Most people don't consider that investment given its a scam they likely won't ever cash in.
You have to be pragmatic in life and play the hand you are dealt. I'm a commi at heart but not playing the capitalist circus just makes you homeless, not smart.
Very much not American but still investing what I can because no fucking way is the pension system still going to be there in 50 years, we haven't produced enough children in decades.
I just got a letter regarding my FED tax return. They won't send me a paper check due to an executive order signed by orange hitler. I absolutely do not want the federal government to have access to my bank data considering all the other rights violated along with the constitution. I now have to open a new checking account with $50 so I can get my shitty $50 refund without trump having access to my main account. (What's to keep them from labeling me a terrorist and freezing my accounts? Gonna make that shit as hard as possible.)
...yes? Some of us are really hardline about stuff. I appreciate the convenience of my bank, but I have learned that if you have loyalty of an outside company, business, etc, you are their bitch. Now me, I don't mind being a bitch, but it's for select people. Companies can lick on my balls and suck the dick. I almost closed a credit card with several-thousand dollars in credit because they wanted to verify my person. That was a potential fraud situation though, so after a couple days I decided that is a mutual benefit to keep the card and proceed with the verification.
But this shit? Nah. I've closed other accounts (some financial), for lesser reasoning, in the past.
Banking works just fine without apps and websites. They mail you a statement every month. You have a local branch for deposits and withdrawals. They give you a plastic card you can use to make purchases and withdraw from ATMs.
The tech giant says the system only analyzes hand-movement points from a short video, does not record audio, and deletes the footage after verification.
It's just a short video guys, there's even no audio! And they pinky promise to delete it.
What a fucking shitshow that is. Like, honestly, I'm fine with regular captchas, even if they are the shitty ones. The newer (?) captchas that force you to do solve 5 bullshit "place this there" captchas are already reason enough for me to just leave the site. But if you force me to record a video of me throwing gang signs at the camera, probably several times again, because the movement was not correctly identified, I'm sure as fuck to never visit anything related to you ever again.
I also love the irony that Google fights people bots, while they are scraping the whole internet and investing into AI automation massively.
Yes exactly. They'll delete the video after making a detailed statistical model of it so they can use that for an AI that allows them to create an infinite number of videos that are visually indistinguishable from the original, but that are legally distinct and fair use of your original video, which they dutifully deleted exactly as they promised, for legal purposes. If you disagree or have any concerns with any part of this statement, you are welcome to file your complaint in the legal jurisdiction that Google has authorized you to use in their terms of service that you agreed to without reading, and their department of lawyers will be happy to assist you for decades.
You just know that video is going to be turned into training data of some kind or another. I think visual and audio versions will be around forever, and I hear that you can enter inaccurate words in the audio prompt and still get through. Might as well train it funny if you must train it at all.
YouTube TV has this questionaire that says what brands have you heard of. It offers 4 brands and none of the above. However the Nimrods made it a checkbox instead of radio button. So of course every time I gladly fill out their survey. I say I've heard of all four and also none of the above. Anything to poison the data!
Sounds like googles got a model that can mimic human hand gestures really well and want to prevent other companies from being able to scrape the Internet for AI training
Connaisseurs know: they are. Engineers are still working on a major roadblock though: the model fails to tell the CEO's face from his ass, and it's not a technological problem...
Just guessing here but they'll have to fall back to other means, which defeats the purpose of screening for bots. But this being google and their main source of revenue being advertising, i'm guessing they're gonna use this technology to develop proof you're watching the ads you're shown
Easy in theory to nope out of such insanity with their websites and optional apps. Except for Android users... where every "fuck Google!" cry meets the reality of a captive audience.
(Apple is no better and third-party OS's tend to break banking, government, etc, apps. 😬)
These companies that feel entitled to our data have long ago lost the benefit of the doubt. You make money off of my personal information, you have also proved time and again you don't always obtain consent before collecting it, (not even buried in some EULA or disclosure) so no, I will not record myself and upload it to you...
if thier V3 captcha wasnt bad enough lol, which silently records during and after logging in(it was pretty much responsible for most of the reddit login/account creation bans.
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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 216 pts · 65d
that’s gonna be a “nope” from me, dawg.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 86 pts · 65d
Easy!
🖕
AmyAye@nord.pub · 39 pts · 64d
"Drink verification can."
crandlecan@mander.xyz · 190 pts · 64d
Fuck. That. No website is worth that.
yestalgia@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 64d
Ppl say this with such conviction but what about your bank website? What if it becomes industry standard and you have no other options? Just going to keep all your money in cash?
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 41 pts · 64d
I have a hard time believing all banks, including local credit unions, will simultaneously adopt this tech. And if they all do, maybe will I have to consider cash after all. But in the meantime, I'll switch to a banking solution that doesn't.
yestalgia@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 64d
Fair enough. But I wasn't picturing them simultaneously doing it.
Enshittification is a contagious disease that spreads slowly.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 13 pts · 64d
Right, so I'll bank with the ones that aren't doing this bullshit. If they want my money they won't do it, simple as.
crispbacon99@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 64d
It starts with them making things much cheaper if you give them your data. Little do Americans know their full data set could be worth tens of thousands of dollars. That may be a lot to the average citizen but for corps and government, it's pennies to them.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 64d
I changed banks when they asked for 2FA.
yestalgia@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 64d
Why?
Grimy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 64d
I refuse to have a phone line. I only get one for a month when I'm looking for a job. Got tired of paying a subscription fee just to get spam calls. All my communication is done through messaging apps and the only time I don't have access to wifi is when I'm driving.
pageflight@piefed.social · 20 pts · 64d
And because SMS 2FA is actually opening a common attack vector. I have yet to find a credit union I qualify for that uses TOTP or Yibikey.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 64d
That still requires getting personal information about the user, which is often enough without 2FA. 2FA still makes it more secure than not having it. It's still a vulnerable step though, so users should be aware of that.
Frozengyro@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 64d
Start talking to someone at the credit Union. They are run by people, you might be able to convince them the risk and implement a safer method
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 64d
Just a heads up, you can get a free phone number from Google, and probably other providers. If you've got a computer of some kind and an internet connection, you can make calls and texts from there. If that's all you're getting a phone for, don't bother with the actual device.
https://support.google.com/voice/answer/115061?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 64d
I don't know about Google's "free" numbers, but third-party VOIP numbers are usually blocked for 2FA verification. I've tried that. Most places won't accept it, because they know you're trying to get around the tracking. The 2FA isn't the point, and the cost of the phone isn't the point, the tracking is the point, and Google's "free" numbers are absolutely tracking you just as effectively as any telecom is.
TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 64d
I use SMS Pool
pdxfed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 64d
Google Voice user for 15 years and I've had about 3 instances where my number wasn't usable for 2FA, mostly because, to your point, by the time companies that care about security learned about voip #s they realized they are mostly used legitimately and sms was insecure anyway. Luckily I found a great FOSS auth app, which I prefer to sms anyway; especially if traveling I don't have to depend on a mobile connection to be able to complete 2FA.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 64d
Yeah, it isn't good for 2FA, and obviously your data is being collected. If all you need it for is job applications though, it does that.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 64d
Probably SMS or in-app 2FA. That's what annoys me about banks: they claim to do things for security -- which in their case it makes sense because they don't need to harvest data to make money -- but then go ahead and roll their own instead of using standards.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 64d
In Sweden the banks offer a choice between an app and a hardware token. You can just go with the token then.
sen@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 64d
I'll drive to the fucking bank if I need them.
other_cat@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 64d
Sometimes it feels like people forget this used to be the only option. Was it a little annoying? Yeah. But oh well.
Ironically I remember reading somewhere that part of the reason people are so consistently shitty to each other is they forgot how to deal with the millions of little face to face interactions we had pre-internet in order to get things done in life. How ironic would it be if big tech forced us back into that mold and we all became a bit nicer because of it?
sen@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 64d
I long for the future you describe ;_;
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 17 pts · 64d
French banks don't have that kind of external captcha. They are paranoid about it for good reasons. Also fuck Google, they are not worth it.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 17 pts · 64d
I have never seen a captcha (much less a third-party service one) on my bank website. And the day I do is the day I walk into a branch and demand all my accounts be closed on the spot so I can take my business somewhere else. I understand the fear, but if the fear comes true, then this is a hill worth dying on. Be prepared to fight. We have to fight.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 64d
My previous bank was messing me around and making things awkward for me, so I rang them up and told them they needed to fix it to go back to the way I wanted, or I was taking our current account and savings accounts elsewhere. They just told me they couldn't by policy. I made a complaint. They said they couldn't by policy.
I did my research over the next couple of weeks and then I walked into a branch and asked for a printout of all my direct debits and standing orders. The teller did as I asked. That evening I got a phone call apologising and offering me exactly what I asked for.
No. Fuck you. You didn't listen, you didn't believe me, you just shat on me for as long as you thought it didn't affect you, and then as soon as you saw I evidence I was serious now you want to fix it? No. Fuck off. Good riddance. I got myself a new bank thank you very much, where I got to choose how it worked.
The time to keep me was when I asked nicely or when I asked nicely again or when I complained. Once I've put time in researching other options, it's way too late.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 62d
What is the significance of the print-out of direct debits and standing orders?
davidagain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 62d
Before the EU legislated that banks should all make it easy to automatically transfer all bill payments etc over to a new current account, you would need to set these up yourself on your new account. There's only one reason really that you would ask for all of that information, and the bank knew I was taking physical action to leave them.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 64d
I deleted my banking app off my phone because it asked me for a selfie lol. I will absolutely switch banks over this.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 64d
Yep. Me too.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 64d
There's some pretty obvious middle ground before making a deposit to the First National Bank of My Mattress. You could find a different bank that doesn't use those captchas, or even do all your banking in person.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 64d
Prepaid debit cards exist. Load money at any convenience store. You can even get a routing number/account number for it so you can direct deposit to it. You call a number to check your balance or lock your card.
There's no such thing on the internet. Most lemmy instances with a captcha use hcaptcha or similar since its cheaper (free, in fact), as an example.
yestalgia@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 64d
What about investments?
Loading prepaid debit cards at gas stations sounds like a rough life. I'd like to think that I'd have more conviction for privacy if it came to that, but everyone has their line I guess.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 64d
Doesn't affect 90+% of people, and the remaining population frankly doesn't deserve privacy since they don't have anything to complain about.
Genuinely not bad unless you're a complete shut-in. It's also how the bottom 20% of Americans deal with online bill pay and interact financially with the digital world.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 64d
If you're living under capitalism and not investing in any way, that's not really some noble act, it's you voluntarily staying broke and dependent on others in the future.
Should at least have some form of retirement fund going so you don't have to leech off the taxes paid by the young when you're old.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 64d
I'll let you know when I magically have spare money in the worst global economy since the great depression.
No one checks their 401k often. Most people don't consider that investment given its a scam they likely won't ever cash in.
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 64d
USA people don’t have a state pension?
systemglitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 64d
Man you sound so brainwashed to me. Very American.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 64d
You have to be pragmatic in life and play the hand you are dealt. I'm a commi at heart but not playing the capitalist circus just makes you homeless, not smart.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 64d
Very much not American but still investing what I can because no fucking way is the pension system still going to be there in 50 years, we haven't produced enough children in decades.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 64d
I just got a letter regarding my FED tax return. They won't send me a paper check due to an executive order signed by orange hitler. I absolutely do not want the federal government to have access to my bank data considering all the other rights violated along with the constitution. I now have to open a new checking account with $50 so I can get my shitty $50 refund without trump having access to my main account. (What's to keep them from labeling me a terrorist and freezing my accounts? Gonna make that shit as hard as possible.)
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 64d
bank acct or not, I'm sure they can freeze assets using your SSN if they really want to
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 64d
...yes? Some of us are really hardline about stuff. I appreciate the convenience of my bank, but I have learned that if you have loyalty of an outside company, business, etc, you are their bitch. Now me, I don't mind being a bitch, but it's for select people. Companies can lick on my balls and suck the dick. I almost closed a credit card with several-thousand dollars in credit because they wanted to verify my person. That was a potential fraud situation though, so after a couple days I decided that is a mutual benefit to keep the card and proceed with the verification.
But this shit? Nah. I've closed other accounts (some financial), for lesser reasoning, in the past.
tonyn@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 64d
Banking works just fine without apps and websites. They mail you a statement every month. You have a local branch for deposits and withdrawals. They give you a plastic card you can use to make purchases and withdraw from ATMs.
mecen@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 64d
I will probably first switch banks. Maybe ask EU for anti monopoly?
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 64d
Fair question, so I'll pop another one, what about a banking app?
Ghoelian@piefed.social · 1 pts · 64d
I don't think I've ever been with a Dutch bank (or any critical/government service actually) that used captchas.
Some of the smaller online-only banks did start using those weird face videos with the colours for verification though.
x1gma@lemmy.world · 94 pts · 64d
It's just a short video guys, there's even no audio! And they pinky promise to delete it.
What a fucking shitshow that is. Like, honestly, I'm fine with regular captchas, even if they are the shitty ones. The newer (?) captchas that force you to do solve 5 bullshit "place this there" captchas are already reason enough for me to just leave the site. But if you force me to record a video of me throwing gang signs at the camera, probably several times again, because the movement was not correctly identified, I'm sure as fuck to never visit anything related to you ever again.
I also love the irony that Google fights
peoplebots, while they are scraping the whole internet and investing into AI automation massively.Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 64d
If they do delete the video, they might still take a screen capture or something.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 64d
Yes exactly. They'll delete the video after making a detailed statistical model of it so they can use that for an AI that allows them to create an infinite number of videos that are visually indistinguishable from the original, but that are legally distinct and fair use of your original video, which they dutifully deleted exactly as they promised, for legal purposes. If you disagree or have any concerns with any part of this statement, you are welcome to file your complaint in the legal jurisdiction that Google has authorized you to use in their terms of service that you agreed to without reading, and their department of lawyers will be happy to assist you for decades.
XLE@piefed.social · 5 pts · 64d
You just know that video is going to be turned into training data of some kind or another. I think visual and audio versions will be around forever, and I hear that you can enter inaccurate words in the audio prompt and still get through. Might as well train it funny if you must train it at all.
JustJack23@slrpnk.net · 63 pts · 65d
Asks you to make gang signs and automatically adds you to the ICE database.
This is the automation we have all been waiting for
fizzle@quokk.au · 48 pts · 65d
Im so sick of this stuff.
Time to go live in a van by the river.
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 65d
Turn off your computer. Reject technology and return to analog life.
meejle@piefed.world · 4 pts · 64d
Did you somehow post this from a typewriter
AmyAye@nord.pub · 11 pts · 64d
OP has a friemd who gets the typenwritten posts by carrier pidgeon, don't you?
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 64d
Carrier pigeon.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 63d
They're coming hard for van life too btw.
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. We have to mend this. And we can still mend this.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 46 pts · 64d
... I have no camera.
This new CAPTCHA's prejudicial and exclusionary.
Not to mention grotesquely invasive.
Burninator05@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 64d
Some people have no hands. Are those people supposed to wave their stump around? What about people who don't even have stumps?
chunes@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 64d
Also, some people who have arms can't wave them around very easily, or at all
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 64d
they would want facial recognition and ID eventually. much like facebook does.
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 41 pts · 64d
Here you go. 🖕
Miller@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 64d
I have a hand gesture for it.
666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 64d
= they are looking to improve AI hands
rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social · 2 pts · 64d
And there we go.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 64d
Do they need to capture my face as well?
╭∩╮(ಠ⌣ಠ)╭∩╮
mech@feddit.org · 28 pts · 64d
Fun fact: Phone cameras now have enough resolution for AI to get your fingerprints off a photo
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 27 pts · 64d
I don't care what site it is but if i get that popup i won't be visiting that site anymore.
DrGonzoLibrarian@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 64d
I guess I know which hand gesture I'll be making
dan69@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 64d
I now mess around with all captchas. Each time a site asks me to find x or click on y. I purposely click the wrong ones to help feed the algorithm!
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 64d
I think you're about 20 years too late to have any impact
dan69@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 64d
One never stops learning 🙃
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 7 pts · 64d
YouTube TV has this questionaire that says what brands have you heard of. It offers 4 brands and none of the above. However the Nimrods made it a checkbox instead of radio button. So of course every time I gladly fill out their survey. I say I've heard of all four and also none of the above. Anything to poison the data!
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 64d
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 63d
Please drink a verification can.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 62d
The fact that the show is a dude shooting another just raises this patent to the next level
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 64d
What, so we can help fix the hands?
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 64d
Yup. They didn’t have enough hands, kinky or Carl.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 24 pts · 64d
The only gesture I'd ever give it:
🖕
TheRiskiestBiscuit@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 63d
First time since I left Reddit that I just knew a comment would already exist, and here it is.
Doctacosa@piefed.ca · 23 pts · 64d
This is the biggest "hell no" thing I'll probably see this week.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 22 pts · 64d
No cam on my pc...
(and I'm not even going to tell this little fact to them)
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 64d
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berty@feddit.org · 21 pts · 64d
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Lag@piefed.world · 21 pts · 64d
When this can be faked in the near future, they'll be asking for ass thermometers and anus gestures.
dewritoninja@pawb.social · 12 pts · 64d
Gemini in a sultry voice: "Insert the probe and have a sissygasm to prove you are human"
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 64d
Please remain still while we calibrate... the nozzle.
Bassman1805@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 64d
Please drink verification can to continue
ennof@feddit.org · 2 pts · 64d
This can already be faked.
ChetManly@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 64d
I can think of only one gesture
Jiral@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 64d
No.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 64d
Nope, just gonna browse away.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 20 pts · 64d
Please rub the verification can to continue.
pseud@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 64d
Iloveyurianime@ani.social · 4 pts · 64d
ERROR unknown rubbing pattern detected
Sabata11792@ani.social · 2 pts · 63d
I'm only good at 1 method.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 64d
Definitely trying to make hands less fake looking
ATPA9@feddit.org · 4 pts · 64d
no, they just want pictures of you doing gang signs, just in case they arrest you
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 64d
Drink verification can.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 64d
I'll give em a hand gesture alright.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 64d
Turns out, I am no longer human
brokenwing@discuss.tchncs.de · 14 pts · 64d
Yes dance for me human
Not_mikey@slrpnk.net · 14 pts · 64d
Sounds like googles got a model that can mimic human hand gestures really well and want to prevent other companies from being able to scrape the Internet for AI training
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 64d
Future headline: Gemini sign language interpreter frequently flips the bird to absolutely everyone.
We're not sure how this got into the training data...
scytale@piefed.zip · 12 pts · 64d
Lmfao anything to try to get a snap of your face.
saltnotsugar@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 64d
I’m just gonna moon the camera.
IratePirate@feddit.org · 8 pts · 64d
Don't give Google ideas for sphincter detection...
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 64d
Are they unique, like fingerprints? What a great idea!
/s obviously
IratePirate@feddit.org · 7 pts · 64d
Connaisseurs know: they are. Engineers are still working on a major roadblock though: the model fails to tell the CEO's face from his ass, and it's not a technological problem...
frongt@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 64d
They are, actually, same way the iris in your eye is unique.
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 64d
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 64d
OK, so how does this work for things without cameras? They exist, I am using one right now. Does it just fail, does it default to another method?
balder1991@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 64d
You just lose access to the internet eventually.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 64d
Maybe google's internet. But not the whole thing.
adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 64d
Just guessing here but they'll have to fall back to other means, which defeats the purpose of screening for bots. But this being google and their main source of revenue being advertising, i'm guessing they're gonna use this technology to develop proof you're watching the ads you're shown
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 64d
That's a good guess, horrible though that is.
adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 64d
A dystopian future awaits
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 64d
Oh I think it is here, people just don't like to call it.
TheDuke@europe.pub · 5 pts · 64d
And my silly young ass back in the 90s thought "Dude, the future will be so AWESOME!".... If I could punch my young self, I would.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 64d
We all should have hacked the future harder I guess.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 64d
Just go to your local Google office with some id. Easy.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 64d
A firm handshake and eye contact should do the trick!
404found@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 64d
Wonder if you will get shadow banned if you flip it off..
aurelar@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 64d
Fuck no.
blackbeans@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 64d
Nice input for their AI generative models...
Brewchin@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 65d
Easy in theory to nope out of such insanity with their websites and optional apps. Except for Android users... where every "fuck Google!" cry meets the reality of a captive audience.
(Apple is no better and third-party OS's tend to break banking, government, etc, apps. 😬)
prole@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 64d
Shit man, I'll run GrapheneOS and use a fucking checkbook to manually keep track of my finances before doing some shit like in the OP
Nytefyre@piefed.social · 9 pts · 64d
Well, be prepared to be flipped off a lot. It's what I did whenever Instagram or Facebook asked for a video verification of sorts.
mech@feddit.org · 6 pts · 64d
Imagine if this leads to all people in AI images flipping you off.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 64d
So, training AI to read hands more correctly, or trying to make an AI sign language interpreter.
Janx@piefed.social · 7 pts · 63d
These companies that feel entitled to our data have long ago lost the benefit of the doubt. You make money off of my personal information, you have also proved time and again you don't always obtain consent before collecting it, (not even buried in some EULA or disclosure) so no, I will not record myself and upload it to you...
bebabalula@feddit.dk · 7 pts · 63d
I’ve got one hand gesture for them!
davidagain@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 64d
Fuck that.
mecen@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 64d
Meanwhile in india is spinning company of Indians of waving hands to cameras.
And you can be identived based on camera uniqueness, background image, hand shape.
https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/25/24/7432
python@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 64d
indians:
TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 64d
welp, guess I won't be looking at those things, then. DuckDuckGo it is.
stepintomydojo@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 64d
DuckDuckGo won't save you - all those "pick the crosswalk" captchas? Google owns that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA
TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 64d
well, right now, google is demanding who knows how many captchas before it will do my search; DDG is not. So that's what I'm using. -quak-
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 63d
I'll close that website page so fast they'll give me a speeding ticket. And then a permanent piece of tape goes over my webcam.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 64d
GutterRat42@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 64d
Well, I will have to start looking for alternative services, I guess
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 4 pts · 64d
I guess I’ll have to get good at the google gang sign.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 64d
This would mean they can access your camera when ever they want. This is why I always put a piece of tape over mine.
iglou@programming.dev · 6 pts · 63d
No, just like for any other website, the browser would ask you for permission before enabling your camera.
(not an endorsement of the captcha)
webkitten@piefed.social · 3 pts · 64d
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 64d
"Chat, create a video of ".
cat gestures.mp4 > /dev/camera_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 64d
No thank you.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 64d
if thier V3 captcha wasnt bad enough lol, which silently records during and after logging in(it was pretty much responsible for most of the reddit login/account creation bans.
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 64d
To think I've been testing not using that this whole time
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 62d
Can I just moon it instead?
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 64d
This sub is virtually the same content as !fuck_ai@lemmy.world