Motorola's 2027 flagships will officially support GrapheneOS

My impression from the article is that the Motorola phones ship with default Android, but flashing to GrapheneOS is officially supported. So it would only be people who would be flashing GrapheneOS anyway.

There are some really talented people working on the camera systems for Apple and Google etc. what I don’t get is surely there are some equally talented engineers (in image processing) who love open source so why aren’t they working on an open source camera platform?

It seems an itch that’s not getting scratched.

I guess aosp needs more open source love what with Google treating it like a bastard step child

Motorola should be able to lead them into the right direction for this. Moto controls their own drivers and while i don't know, i don't expect they're using stock android camera, they can probably just provide the camera app to graphene

iirc, as of right now, its only the expensive processors that meet the security standards GrapheneOS has. Therefore only being available in the future high-end Motorola phones.

Exactly. Graphene is not for the poors, still. Even used phones that can run it can be pricey.

What are the odds that it filters down?

I'll pick up a cheap android and put Lineage on it before I buy another flagship phone.

I got a deal on a new 9 from my carrier for $5 a month for 24 months.

$120 CAD.

But, in canada, the phones come carrier unlocked and had no issue flashing it. Though i only ever powered it on once before it was flashed - to turn on oem unlocking. The sim was not used until then. So it didn't do any auto downloads that might have caused a problem.

Long short: you can find them cheap if you look.

I was looking at the lowest end pixel for Graphene (Pixel 7) and they are still nearly $400 on the aftermarket. It’s insane.

Yeah the signature phones cost around $1.500 here in my country, my budget is $400 tops, no way I can afford that, my hopes are lost.

Yeah, there are very few cases that would make me fork hundreds of Euros for a frigging phone.

Will this affect graphene os?

yeah i need my banking, only thing stopping me from using a non-googled phone. everything else can fuck off

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Like obviously it's a bad thing that they are making it harder to distribute apps through 3rd parties but they aren't stopping you from sideloading unsigned apps. They are introducing an additional step to unlock your phone to allow unsigned apps. Yes it is annoying and no I do not agree with what they are doing. But they are not removing unsigned app support from all android devices.

The new step will be deciding how long you wish to allow unsigned apps to be installable on your device (either 7 days or indefinitely) and then it requires you to wait 24 hours before you can start to install apps without Google developer signing.

These rules do suck, and it is a bad thing, but lying or exaggerating what is happening will not make them reverse course. It only justifies them when they say "it's not that bad and it's for your protection."

AFAIK they're only targeting their flagship models first. Guess we'll see, but I don't think the Moto G series will get it. At least not initially.

I don't care that much about size. Not nearly as much as the "flagship" designation bullshit. How about we don't have to pay 5x as much, because it's a flagship and still let us have Graphene?

Yep. Sick of giant phones. Crazy hard to find a small phone with decent specs.

Please ALSO make a giant 7" one, Moto. Thank you!

This isn't a brick wall TV interview.

6 inches is gigantic?

That's what I have and it doesn't feel quite big enough. Close but not quite.

Never once thought it felt too big in my hand or my pocket...

I'd bet that about half the price is just the RAM soldered onto the thing

I think the foldables are all somewhere along those lines. New tech, and double the screen and such adds up.

Wouldn't it be better if it DID? Wouldn't that get around all the "tamper" detection stuff?

Right now I have Google Play disabled in my owner profile, but it would be nice if apps in secondary profiles could pass the full Play Integrity checks... even though I'm actively trying to transition away from them.

For example Cisco DUO says my device with GrapheneOS installed has been tampered with, and I was hoping that would go away if I could just buy the phone with GrapheneOS installed.

And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.

Could you please elaborate? I know what digital footprint is, minimizing and compartmentalization techniques, but not primary and curated digital footprint.

On lower end you could go with lineageos, it's not as good as graphere but it's good enough IMO

You could still buy a second hand pixel series a.

You could probably find something under 300€ with 5-6 years of updates left if you seek for a pixel 9a.

The 2027 models will likely be flagship only however Graphene has tweeted that they plan to support cheaper Motorola phones in the future.

They didn't specifically disregard budget phones. The budget phones just won't have the hardware required to meet GrapheneOS requirements. They've states that as the next gen flagship hardware trickles down to the budget phones, there'll be more options.

These flagship motorola phones are all way over 1000€

Yes. And now it's not going down. See, the corporation cannot make any money off of ads and analytics if there are none.

they didn't abandon pixels though. they just take a little extra time because they have to manually update the old device trees now.

Sanctions and tariffs?

I'm waiting for the "whoops!! All Lenses!" Version

I was hoping that when Apple released thr iPhone 17 with a horizontal island it would end the wobble on a lot of phones, as others tend to copy Apple.

Unbelievably and fucking annoyingly, the iPhone 17 still has one of it's fucking camera lens jut out enough to fucking wobble still. Which fucking engineer okayed this fucking shit.

I still want a google pixel for the visor, but last year I bought a S24 Ultra as it was cheaper and I don't like the performance of the Pixle 9 overall. (I always buy the previous gen of current year, when I need to). Oh well, after my S24U breaks maybe when pixel 14 or 15 comes around I'll get a pixel. Or some other phone with a visor camera island like it.

Honestly? Kinda prefer it.

Hope an updated clicks keyboard comes out for it.

Would be the most interesting usable android phone since the LG V20 IMO

Google pixel fold

Which flagship isn't though?

What if I agree to let them spy on me? Can we work out a deal?

The first goal is to threaten Google's monopolistic goals. This does that. Of course cheaper would be better, too.

All of them are foldable, many times, some just get the power button jammed at like 4 degrees and break a bit around 12 or so.

Probably

Graphene supports NFC, but Google wallet goes out of its way not to work on it.

If you're in the EU you have other wallet options, in the US you're pretty much fucked.

I thought I would miss digital wallets way more than I actually do. Bought a slim wallet, carry just what I need, and get all the privacy benefits of not being on mainline android.

NFC pay is not ubiquitous enough in my area so I use a phone case that has room for cards. I still need to carry a physical health insurance card and a physical ID as well so my wallet case is not going away. I actually bought a pixel 9 instead of 10 just because my favorite wallet case was available.

I'm considering just getting a Garmin watch that I keep disconnected from my phone to use for NFC pay. Seems like I would be able to set up my cards in Garmin Pay app and then just disconnect it.

Don't think google pay works on graphene anyhow

Honestly man, I'm worried than regular Sim is eliminated, not if eSim will work. Google play will work yeah

Not the same company. Lenovo bought only the name of the mobile division and slapped it on their products. Google bought Motorola Mobility first, stripped it bare of all the people and IP of value and sold the name to Lenovo.

Canadian here, I'll take CCP over GOP.

I'll take my chances with the CCP over ICE any fucking day of the year.

We are always under more threat from our own governments than a foreign one and I do not live in China or China-aligned country. I'm safer with my data in Beijing than in Redmond.

And that's the worst case scenario. Likely, it's enough of a win for China to have an OS that the US doesn't have backdoors into without China needing their own.

You think they could do something on the hardware level after flash grapeneos?

...and Motorola is owned by Lenovo

Huh, you're right. I had not realized that had happened.

It looks like it's just their phone division, Motorola Mobility.

Your argument is extrapolating way too much. You constructed this overcomplicated chain of thought that supposedly proves GOS sold out because... They got a manufacturer to build hardware that meets GOS requirements?

This is no different from ZOG, deep state or Blackrock conspiracy theories.

I'm more concerned with the contributions eventually resulting in corporate decisions creeping into copyleft software, as is tradition. The kernel drivers and stuff already are just corporate decisions, tho if they contribute to the user facing stuff...

Oh, I don't trust any AOSP fork btw. I like my computer. Just worried about friends.

And jumping into bed with the NSA?

Damn the CCP for building secure hardware!

Most people will still use Instagram TikTok and such.

The beauty of Graphene is it's sandboxing and exploit protections are built precisely on assumption that the user will install every single piece of malware out there. The OS doesn't trust anything by default.

What better hardware? Google is getting increasingly hostile to Graphene. Pixel hardware also seems to be getting worse. And since Pixel is currently the only hardware you can install Graphene on, this is a beneficial thing that provides an alternative that doesn't give money to Google.

I use Instagram to keep up with some friends and family on GrapheneOS AMA

Threat modeling and compartmentalization are a thing

It doesn't ship with GrapheneOS.

Yeah, why bother doing things? Just give up everything to the Google.