Could make everything within ~3ft of the road non-edible natives, either companion plants for the food or native cultivars to help pollinators (which in turn, will help the edibles closer to the house). So there's still a way to make this work!
Not much besides crab grass will grow within 3 feet of our roads anyway because they literally salt the earth all winter with insane amounts of road de-icer in our part of the country. The only places that get a slight reprieve are homes near reservoirs or when it gets too cold for the melt temp and they switch to sand.
It’s also why cars don’t last much more than 10 years unless undercoated and carefully maintained and cleaned all winter.
I've got so much crab grass this year because of the plow tearing into the yard and then the municipality reseeding it and nothing growing there lol
and both of my cars are rusty pieces of shit because I didn't undercoat. body looks great, relatively... the frame and suspension and all brackets underneath are falling apart. a gas tank bracket disintegrated in my hand the other day.
People here are pretty delusional about how food gets to the table and being overly concerned with some micro possibility of them actually noticing because they saw a study online.
A tractor isn't driving there nearly as frequently as cars on a road though. Also, I would imagine tractor tires are far harder and sturdier than road tires. They're driving slow, and there's no need to shed material to stick to the road like with road tires.
I have no knowledge of any of this, but tractors seem like they wouldn't be much of an issue in my mind.
nah you got it right. the tire:surfacearea ratio is much higher on streets. and the wear is much higher due to type of rubber (grippy for street cars) and how it wears down due to surface roughness / friction
(assuming you don’t always buy organic at the farmers market)?
you remember we're a bunch of weirdos here on the fediverse, right? i live in a city, right on the edge of farm country, and i go bike out to farms and flirt/banter/barter BBQ with the farmers until they let me buy a couple logs of wood off their orchard so's i can smoke with local apple and peach. the only time i get produce from the grocery store and not the fruit stand/farmer's market is when (a) my mother drops by any extra she's picked up, (b) they don't have kumquats at the local fruit stands and i don't want to drive out 45 minutes out to the good tree and pick 3 kumquats offa one of my favorite brunch spot's kumquat trees, or (c) i forget c but I swear it exists. i gotta plant me a kumquat tree.
you remember we're a bunch of weirdos here on the fediverse, right?
Who are you telling that to? I pick up trash in my free time...
But seriously: That’s awesome—I tip my hat to your lifestyle and take back what I said.
In my free time, I also enjoy gardening, hunting, and fishing.
This is more of a personal opinion, but I think that with homegrown vegetables (as long as you don’t use chemical pesticides and aren’t gardening right next to the highway), you’ll likely still have lower levels of contaminants than with regular, non-organic vegetables from most supermarkets—even if your garden borders a street in a residential area.
In any case, good luck with the kumquat—I have a small tree in a pot, and it would have borne a good crop this year… if I hadn’t neglected to water it over the winter.
Ah, yes, a field where any single square foot may be run over by a tire about 2 dozen times per year obviously has the same rubber exposure as a road.
Quit with the dumb, snarky retort. It doesn't make you look smart, it does the opposite.
Proximity to roads not only exposes a garden to tire dust, but also the asphalt can leech into the soil and be absorbed by the plants. Plus there's the volatiles in car exhausts.
It's common gardening advice to keep gardens at least 30ft from roads to prevent these problems. It's far better to grow vegetable in the bacl yard instead.
From low-speed, light vehicles? I can't imagine it would be significant compared to farms on the interstate with 50,000+ lb (25,000 kg) trucks going 70+ mph (110 km/h) nearby.
It's going to vary a lot depending on the road, specifically traffic volume and speed. Or, a four way stop where loads of drivers slam their brakes right in front of your property would probably also be pretty detrimental. For a quiet neighborhood street it would be paranoid worrying about micro plastic in your cucumbers imo.
One thing you'll find out about a lot of MAGA-heads is that a lot of them just despise Democrats to their core and think Owning The Libs is more important than whatever the fuck Trump is actually up to.
Very common to see this kind of guy up in New York or Massachusetts or out in California, where its barely more than a protest vote against whatever D-branded ghouls - your Newsoms and Cuomos and Katherine Clarks - are currently ruling their state. My dad was a staunch environmentalist, a shameless outspoken anti-racist, and a die-hard Reaganite. I still don't understand it to this day, but he made the math work in his own head somehow.
One thing you’ll find out about a lot of MAGA-heads is that a lot of them just despise Democrats to their core and think Owning The Libs is more important than whatever the fuck Trump is actually up to.
Owning the Libs by... checks notes creating a neighbourhood garden for friends to have free access to fresh fruits and veggies and... Wait a minute....
i tried. he then walked up to my house when i was not home and asked my wife, who also complimented his garden, “what position are you in when thinking about me and my garden?”
My Maga neighbor will tell you how much he hates all the Black people in the neighborhood.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to tell people to waste their time and energy on people that are not going to be saved. You can use that energy to help your own people and it is a much better use of it.
And you know I’m going to take this a step further and ask you why the fuck you assume we’re not having conversations with those people? It’s them refusing the conversation. What rock have you crawled out from under?
You can't have a conversation with someone who is unwilling to change their stance, no matter the evidence provided in front of them.
I drive a blue car. I refuse to have a conversation with someone who tells me it's yellow. Or that I don't actually drive a car, but it's actually a horse.
Yeah, but I've been told America is the Land of the Free, not Land of the Free, some conditions apply. Not applicable in certain jurisdictions. Check with your doctor if you are in an area free enough to grow a garden.
"Land of the free" has only ever been propaganda. Free to sell your body and soul to a capitalist or starve to death under a bridge. Wow, what freedom.
I went to Portland, OR about a year ago, and wandered aimlessly for a couple hours before concluding that Portland is the world capital of front-yard gardening.
They are, just depends if you're in an HOA or what the laws are if you're within city limits. If you're in unincorporated land then it's pretty free and wild. Earth ships are a thing and started in New Mexico.
Hell, it even depends on the HOA. I live in an HOA and there are plenty of yards in the neighborhood like this. We have a pretty chill HOA. It doesn't do much beyond taking care of a few communal spaces, organizing a couple of annual events like a community garage sale, and enforcing the most absolute basic of yard maintenance requirements. (A well-tended garden on the front yard is perfectly fine. Turning your yard into a junkyard or having three foot high grass in your front yard isn't. You can do what you want with your property, it just needs to be clean and intentional. You could convert your whole yard over to zero-maintenance clover, and that would be perfectly fine.)
And that's the kind of HOA I like. I do want my neighbors to maintain their properties. I want people to be free to mold their homes into whatever form they want, but no one intentionally sets out to have a yard filled with junk cars or three foot high grass. People plant grass with the intention of mowing it, it just gets away from them.
If you want grass, mow it. If you want a garden, plant it and tend it. If you want the lowest environmental impact and least effort, plant clover or other low-maintenance ground cover. Do whatever you want. I don't care. Just keep it clean and intentional. Hell, one of my neighbors keeps a giant demon skeleton in their front yard year-round. It's weird, but it's intentional, so it's fine.
I don't want to live in a neighborhood where every house is the same. I want the freedom to express myself through my home, and I want my neighbors to have the same freedom. But at the same time, I want to live in a place where people maintain their homes. I don't care what form you maintain your home to. But I do want it maintained. Grow as big of a garden as you want, just don't neglect it and let it get overgrown. If you just don't have the time and resources for a lot of yard maintenance, plant something like clover. It doesn't take a lot of effort or resources to keep a yard neat and clean.
Normal? Probably not normal anywhere. The money and effort in farming usually isn't offset by the production of such a small plot. It would be more of a hobby. What is more common is a dedicated space for farming within a suburban area. Typically they have a shared area and you pay monthly for your plot. Either that or some people with a green thumb in urban areas can turn their high-rise apartment into quite the greenhouse.
When it comes to feeding the masses efficiently farmland is still the dominant and most efficient method in most countries.
It can get overly complicated. there's so many random laws that basically you give up. Like I have a tiny garden in the back yard, which won't give you issues; but the front yard can result in a $250 daily fine if it's not to their liking. I had to cut off part of my driveway, which everyone else has, so my lot can be more "herbaceous" because someone (neighbor that has a tree cutting company, salty cunt) across the street called the city about me trimming a tree so a branch so it didn't fall on my roof. I made sure to get the shittiest invasive grass you can get.
As Sam wrote, HOAs are terrible. I thought I escaped by moving only to have the city do the same, sigh. Bonus points: I have a old oak tree that's half dead, can't be cut down because it's "protected" and it's destroying my foundation and driveway. But the next hurricane will likely topple the tree on the road and it's their problem then since the area it's on is "city property" so yeah you're luck you can have a garden. I really wanted to put one in the front yard then again the tree will kill it all anyway.
Yeah, same state that wanted us to get rid of lawns but only allows rain water collection before the water hits the ground. Thought that was a weird wrinkle
No state currently does. Very few have limits on the amount of catchment, the only one I know is Utah and the limit is 2500 gallons. Other states just say it can't be used for potable water
I have never heard of one. I lived in one for a while that actually encouraged rainwater collection because it helps keep stormwater systems from overflowing during storms.
Yeah that's a no-go. The lawn extension must be kept less than 12" tall under city ordinance, and you need a license if you're going to sell or give away those vegetables...
Maybe! Just as long as it's NOT A FENCE. I could call them again, but I think the idea of a trellis maze would upset them, and then I'd be behind the making of a new law lol.
Well there is that but they also have to go through the same beruacracy (they can just afford the red tape anyways plus lobbying to convert those nice residentials to being strip malls)
What bureaucracy? It's vegetables in a garden. Pick them, wash them, eat them. This isn't commercial farming where you're using pesticides, tractors, desiel emissions, manure... It's a garden on the corner of someone's house.
These people likely aren't selling their stock to a global market, but rather letting their neighbours take something for dinner.
You will have 1 month where you struggle to consume way too much of one single vegetable every week and you will dread having to find different recipes to use ot all up.
Everyone in your neighbourhood has a bigger vegetable garden than you, and grows the same vegetables as you (if they were different vegetables, they might want those)?
Also they also harvest in the same two week window as you?
Because if it's outside that window, then everyone can spread the love on their own harvest week.
I have a 12-tray Cabellas dehydrator and have made loads of jerky. I even bought a slicer.
I've pickeled, I've helped my mother can back in the day.
I love my neighbors, but fuck no, that's WAY too much work.
At my last house I did hydroponic swiss shard. I'm thinking about cranking that up inside this winter.
I tried lettuce, but could never get it to harden off. as soon as I plucked the leaves they just went limp, it was like they were inflated by the water.
There's something to the front yard that I'd never thought about. Yes back yard does work well too, but it feels more private and invite only. Whereas the front yard would feel more like an invitation for anyone to drop by. Like a neighbor from the next street over going for a walk. It seems like a more open social event that lets you get to know more people than the neighbors you're already acquainted with.
I specifically bought in a neighborhood with sidewalks, because kids. But, as GenX I didn't anticipate that GenZ would be the first generation that didn't play outside all summer like we used to.
The sidewalk is 36” (1m actually) with a 12” curb.
It’s large enough for wheelchairs to get by. The road is also 40’ wide so two cars can pass with parking along each side. The vehicle in the back provides some scale.
Plus the bins in the back, they’re atleast 24” by 24”, clearly the sidewalk is wider.
I think they're saying that sidewalk is too narrow, which it does look minimal compared to the street, like a wheelchair would have a hard time, especially with the edge curving down like that.
It’s a 40’ wide road with a 36” sidewalk and 12” curb. People can pass a wheelchair going down it fine. Look at the vehicle and the bins for scale context.
It think they’re trying to funny that there’s no shoulder, which would just waste space on a 40km/h residential road that is filled with parking after school and work.
So... About the minimum for a single person to walk with little leeway, normally in a safe indoor area with no car traffic?
36" is the absolute bare minimum required walkway space in the US by ADA to technically be wheelchair compliant in that a single wheelchair user might be able to use it, roughly half the minimum 1.8m clear width recommended by Australia's Department of Transport, and less than half the 2m minimum unobstructed walkway space recommended for pedestrians in low-traffic areas by the UK's department for transport. This is undeniably too narrow.
That road looks wide enough for about 4 cars, it's not a "waste" to surrender some of that to make it slightly less hostile to pedestrians.
This drives me nuts, I know sidewalks are an extra cost. But I'd happily pay a portion to get some put in around us.
I don't live in an HOA, but I swear all the surrounding neighborhoods just don't want them to keep the "riff raff" out. Still I ride bikes with my kid in the mega HOA neighborhood across the street, a lot flatter. Have to ride in the storm gutter if a car comes by.
They are building another mega HOA housing development next to the current one, houses at double the price. They certainly won't have sidewalks because it's targeting 60+. No restricted by age, but by money. They'll probably put a gate on it too.
I don't know, My nieces are in VR or on their phones alot, but outside is still on equal footing. And they are meeting other kids out there.
I think for people that can sustain their social needs with indirect relationships, maybe. But anyone that needs in-person socializing, they are gonna go get it. They don't go outside as much extra during the school year, but they spend the majority of summer break out there.
GenZ would be the first generation that didn’t play outside all summer like we used to.
Idk where you live but going outside in August is absolutely brutal down in Texas. All the kids go out in Fall and Winter, when the weather is much more bearable. You'll have the running trails packed shoulder-to-shoulder for half a mile as soon as temperatures get under 90. But not a degree before.
My city only requires sidewalks depending on how much vehicular traffic, how much foot traffic, and if kids are expected to navigate that street to get to school. And even then "one side" doesn't mean "same side." My house and the one next to my neighbor have the unfortunate yards missing sidewalks, meaning people have to use my next-for neighbor's sidewalk, cross the street, use my neighbor's sidewalk, and then can continue down until they have to cross the street again because the sidewalk is unusable at a certain point.
The reasons we have missing and broken sidewalks are that:
The city won't help pay for them
The city has strict regulations on how they're installed
The 50-foot run of sidewalk would cost more than a car to install, and since they're often seen as insurance liabilities, it's practically impossible to get a reasonable loan to cover the up-front costs.
"My yard is the shitty impediment because I can't afford to fund a public service" is not one of the sad realities of home ownership that I expected to encounter.
My city has a sidewalk renovation program, which is great.
I have a corner lot and practically triple the sidewalk my neighbors have. Cost me over 4 grand to have the city mandated sidewalk repairs done. Kind of a pain, but it was cheaper to get it bundled with them than to have a contractors come out and fix it.
In many cases “the city has strict regulations on how they’re installed” should be read as “the city requires you to use one of their pre-approved contractors.”
McMansion. They look like mansions but arent. However that's beside the point. The point here is anarchy and nice townhouse area dont fit. Other ppl in that area can very well feed themselves.
In my area, besides things getting stolen, which OP is promoting here, your house'd get tagged, windows broken, fruit they couldnt carry smashed. Unfortunately in communities where not all people think they belong or others belong to theirs, vandalism is prominent.
Give it three weeks of good sun and enough rain, and all those plants will be very happy, twice the size, and unruly as it comes. Much more “anarchy” than these neat rows.
Aye, but that's not what they were saying. They were using the word as a synonym for chaos. A conflation of words that needs to be broken if anybody is to even begin to understand anarchism.
Anarchy = chaos has been used as a thought termination device since time immemorial, to shut up and confuse debate, to instill fear, and keep the rulers ruling.
So what part of anarchy is stopping passersby from ripping up the veg and taking them home just before they're fully ready to be harvested? Wait no, I'll grant you that's more of a GOP narcissist move, so what about the ones who just rip apart the still-growing garden for the hell of it? If you asked them they would consider themselves anarchists.
Who's to say that they're only gardening on this single plot of land? Why not plant a food forest in your front and back yard, and coordinate with your neighbors to have the whole neighborhood build a food coop?
Also, how do you get "feed your neighbor every single calorie they will ever need" out of this meme? You're literally just loading a whole bunch of extra baggage onto a simple point that we should be growing and sharing food for our community. There's no reason to make perfect the enemy of good.
I live in a town that is experiencing significant growth. The plot of land across the street from me had one house on it, it was torn down and they're building four in its place. My own house sits on two lots, so I have an above average amount of land for this suburban town. My yard, all told, is 8-10 times the size of what is pictured above.
I couldn't grow a year's worth of side dishes for myself on my land, if I knocked down every tree and shrub and replaced them with something productive. I do some backyard gardening, I can a year's worth of jelly (in fact that's a project for this coming week) and I raise a summer's worth of peppers and tomatoes.
This is larp. If everything goes great with this little pretend garden and you spend full working days of couple of people for the whole season, you'll get 15 moderate salads from it, tops. You're not feeding shit with it.
That's a hobby, not a praxis or whatever.
dude I had more lettuce than I could possibly eat just from the volunteers in my 4x8 planter that I didn't bother pulling out because I couldn't reach the other side. beans and peas and tomatoes and asparagus and lettuce and cabbage and onions and chives and raspberries all have volume in the <100sqft I've given them all
yes, gardening at this scale is a hobby and won't really save you money/time. but don't pretend it can't have a real impact on the source of your food.
if more people did this instead of have a manicured lawn, the rabbits in the neighbourhood would be eating good
Absolutely nothing wrong with a hobby, everyone should have a lot of those, and gardening is amazing hobby if you're into that sort of things.
When I ride my bicycle, I don't pretend that I am a messanger of the solarpunk future riding for my neighbors, I just do my hobby for fun and health. If your idea of a good time is to fuck with the greenery, more power to you. Unless you believe you're feeding a neighborhood with your driveway dirtpatch vegies, then I will start to get worried about your grip on reality.
Everyone knows real praxis isn't leaving the house and making connections with real people on tangible projects. Gotta stay posting revolution memes and doom scrolling
Having a hobby is good, nobody is saying otherwise. Pretending that your hobby is actually a community service is not. You're not more or less of a people connector and community builder when you chat to your discord kittens from the basement than when you sit ass up picking weeds on your driveway cucumber patch.
You eat your five tomatoes that you've spend 10 months growing of course. Other people will eat food that they bought with strike funds they allocated prior to a strike. They could've told you about those but you were too busy growing tomatoes on your driveway.
Jokes aside, I live in Serbia. It's not "bigotry" here, it's just being aware of your surroundings. But you always welcome to come here and prove me wrong.
Upd. Considering amount of downvotes I assume answer to my comment would be something like "you right and I hate you for this, but have nothing to say in my defense, so here your downvote". Fine by me.
People downvoting you don't have any experience with organized theivery purporting itself as a custom. Plenty of respectable Romani that don't act like con artists and crooks, but there are also plenty still causing the stigma to remain. Especially in Eastern Europe.
This looks like an inexpensive hobby where labor cost is not factored in when you gift your neighbors extra food instead of preserving it. The neighbors might love you, but this is not really sustainable if you don't get anything in return.
Indeed. I'm just criticizing OP suggesting this might be a way to structure society in general. I'm a fan of anarchism, but like many idealized political systems it doesn't work as advertised. Same for communism and capitalism. That's why sensible nations have long chosen social capitalism.
No one is suggesting this is a way to structure society. It’s an example of a small, radical action an individual can take.
Anarchism can look like seemingly small, community-focused acts. The point is that it is not scary or apocalyptic. It is also not a single defined system that either “works” or “doesn’t work”.
Ararchism works great so long and the entire group is committed to the plan, and retains the power to expell any person who tries to take advantage. To each as required, from each as able is more arnarchistic than communist. It's the attempt of one in group to obtain and retain that power of expulsion that leads to a power structure.
If they cannot play nicely, it's not my prerogative to care. Imo anarchy is for people who can get along, those who cannot can go bar bar where ever they want, somewhere else.
I'm open to alternatives, that's the whole point. I don't think imprisonment is right, and it doesn't work regardless. Obviously this isn't a first transgression punishment, but how would you deal with a person that refuses to contribute and only takes, despite being fully able to? This is a good discussion
And as long as the group is small and does not need to sustain itself without an external exchange of capital and goods. Like a commune, but working in the real world.
The group can be any size so long as everyone involved is against structured social power. How much digression from the ethos is allowed is up to the community at large
Yeah... Why would I want to share a few bottles of plum mead I made with friends, nothing in return!
Much better to sit inside on your own without any friends and never speaking to anyone. Makes it easier to blame minorities for all of the problems in society too.
Except the blame minorities part, I don't mind the sit inside on my own bit, as a hermit by nature. I'd still grow stuff to share with the community as much as I'm able though. Just because I don't want to interact with people face to face doesn't mean I don't care that they are fed
Food preservation is a lot of work, better to spread it on many shoulders. Usually what happens is that the neighbours return some glasses of jam etc. as a thank you.
I enjoy that immensely myself when gardening. I'm just not suggesting this as a generalizable way to feed (or organize) society which the word anarchism suggests.
Meh, regardless of whether or not we can grow enough in home gardens to feed everyone (obviously we cannot), the benefits of having access to lots of fresh veggies nearby + the social aspect of finding solidarity with your neighbors in mutual aid seems to be more the point here, not that literally this garden is enough.
That and the fact that most people associate "anarchy" with something scary, but here is an example of one of the most radical things you can do and it's something you're granny probably does, thus "anarchy" is not scary seems to also be the point of this post
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Keilik@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 2d
Just remember that most microplastics come from tires so you kinda don’t want to have food you eat growing right next to the road
Psaldorn@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 2d
Are they absorbed into the plants? Or just wash off?
MidwestSolarpunk@slrpnk.net · 26 pts · 2d
My understanding is that they get into the soil and can then get into the plants. Then into your body.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 37 pts · 2d
That is unless you make a post on Facebook stating you revoke their permission to get into your body
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Repost immediately!!! TOS update incoming!!!
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 4 pts · 2d
I don't know anything about biology but that's not how I imagined that would work.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Toxins concentrate as you climb trophic levels. It's why tuna has so much mercury in it compared to other fish.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 4 pts · 2d
I don't think that has anything to do with what we're talking about.
Are microplastics "a toxin"?
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7567360/
Toxin was a poor word choice of mine there.
Link has some light reading on the subject. TLDR, there is evidence of biomagnification in some trophic levels, but the findings are inconclusive.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 2 pts · 1d
Again, not the topic being discussed here.
Plants don't absorb microplastics from the soil, or at least that's my assumption.
Therefore, if you live near a road, washing your veggies should remove the microplastics that have accumulated in the leaves
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 2d
Depends, but most will wash off.
MidwestSolarpunk@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 2d
Could make everything within ~3ft of the road non-edible natives, either companion plants for the food or native cultivars to help pollinators (which in turn, will help the edibles closer to the house). So there's still a way to make this work!
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1d
Not much besides crab grass will grow within 3 feet of our roads anyway because they literally salt the earth all winter with insane amounts of road de-icer in our part of the country. The only places that get a slight reprieve are homes near reservoirs or when it gets too cold for the melt temp and they switch to sand.
It’s also why cars don’t last much more than 10 years unless undercoated and carefully maintained and cleaned all winter.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
I've got so much crab grass this year because of the plow tearing into the yard and then the municipality reseeding it and nothing growing there lol
and both of my cars are rusty pieces of shit because I didn't undercoat. body looks great, relatively... the frame and suspension and all brackets underneath are falling apart. a gas tank bracket disintegrated in my hand the other day.
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2d
yeah tbf i would not wanna eat anything that close to sidewalk anyway. dogs pee and poop there
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 2d
Do you know what dirt is? Do you know what a honey-wagon is? Do you know where birds shit?
Obligatory rinse your produce remider here.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 2d
People here are pretty delusional about how food gets to the table and being overly concerned with some micro possibility of them actually noticing because they saw a study online.
OldMan@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1d
TIL what a honeywagon is! Never heard them called that. Mostly know them as a sucker truck or vac truck but I'm in Aussie so...
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
they do?
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 8 pts · 2d
Topsoil is mostly shit.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 2d
Wait til you hear what kind of wheel tractors have
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 2d
A tractor isn't driving there nearly as frequently as cars on a road though. Also, I would imagine tractor tires are far harder and sturdier than road tires. They're driving slow, and there's no need to shed material to stick to the road like with road tires.
I have no knowledge of any of this, but tractors seem like they wouldn't be much of an issue in my mind.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
nah you got it right. the tire:surfacearea ratio is much higher on streets. and the wear is much higher due to type of rubber (grippy for street cars) and how it wears down due to surface roughness / friction
GardenGeek@europe.pub · 6 pts · 2d
You know where and how they grow the food you buy (assuming you don't always buy organic at the farmers market)?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
you remember we're a bunch of weirdos here on the fediverse, right? i live in a city, right on the edge of farm country, and i go bike out to farms and flirt/banter/barter BBQ with the farmers until they let me buy a couple logs of wood off their orchard so's i can smoke with local apple and peach. the only time i get produce from the grocery store and not the fruit stand/farmer's market is when (a) my mother drops by any extra she's picked up, (b) they don't have kumquats at the local fruit stands and i don't want to drive out 45 minutes out to the good tree and pick 3 kumquats offa one of my favorite brunch spot's kumquat trees, or (c) i forget c but I swear it exists. i gotta plant me a kumquat tree.
GardenGeek@europe.pub · 3 pts · 1d
Who are you telling that to? I pick up trash in my free time...
But seriously: That’s awesome—I tip my hat to your lifestyle and take back what I said.
In my free time, I also enjoy gardening, hunting, and fishing.
This is more of a personal opinion, but I think that with homegrown vegetables (as long as you don’t use chemical pesticides and aren’t gardening right next to the highway), you’ll likely still have lower levels of contaminants than with regular, non-organic vegetables from most supermarkets—even if your garden borders a street in a residential area.
In any case, good luck with the kumquat—I have a small tree in a pot, and it would have borne a good crop this year… if I hadn’t neglected to water it over the winter.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 1d
Ah, yes, a field where any single square foot may be run over by a tire about 2 dozen times per year obviously has the same rubber exposure as a road.
Quit with the dumb, snarky retort. It doesn't make you look smart, it does the opposite.
Proximity to roads not only exposes a garden to tire dust, but also the asphalt can leech into the soil and be absorbed by the plants. Plus there's the volatiles in car exhausts.
It's common gardening advice to keep gardens at least 30ft from roads to prevent these problems. It's far better to grow vegetable in the bacl yard instead.
GardenGeek@europe.pub · 2 pts · 1d
,,The pot calling the kettle black."
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 4 pts · 2d
The amount from traffic one residential street would be infinitesimal I imagine.
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 2d
From low-speed, light vehicles? I can't imagine it would be significant compared to farms on the interstate with 50,000+ lb (25,000 kg) trucks going 70+ mph (110 km/h) nearby.
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 2d
That's a fucking long truck
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2d
Oops. I fixed it.
Kewlio250@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d
Somewhere between 9 and 28%, depending on the source. Far from "most", but I learned something new today
schnokobaer@feddit.org · 4 pts · 2d
It's going to vary a lot depending on the road, specifically traffic volume and speed. Or, a four way stop where loads of drivers slam their brakes right in front of your property would probably also be pretty detrimental. For a quiet neighborhood street it would be paranoid worrying about micro plastic in your cucumbers imo.
Kewlio250@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Gotcha, garden in sleepy neighborhood, good. Garden on pit road at Talledega, bad.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
what about four way stops where loads of drivers drop their truckloads of, let's say tomatoes
i saw a tomato spill on the interstate the other day and i been thinking about it
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Busy roads, yes. Typical suburban neighborhood? Not really an issue.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
Don't forget the heavy metals, too.
brastak@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
How can that be? Aren't tires made of rubber?
schnokobaer@feddit.org · 1 pts · 14h
Can rubber not be abraded into small particles?
brastak@feddit.org · 1 pts · 12h
Sure, but rubber can not become microplastic
schnokobaer@feddit.org · 1 pts · 12h
Ah, gotcha
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 2h
Not exclusively.
Steve@startrek.website · -5 pts · 2d
Doomers have to comment on every nice thing
flandish@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 2d
i wish. neighbor down road has a garden like that.
and trump flags in his yard.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 2d
anarchism never required not hating your neighbor
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2d
One thing you'll find out about a lot of MAGA-heads is that a lot of them just despise Democrats to their core and think Owning The Libs is more important than whatever the fuck Trump is actually up to.
Very common to see this kind of guy up in New York or Massachusetts or out in California, where its barely more than a protest vote against whatever D-branded ghouls - your Newsoms and Cuomos and Katherine Clarks - are currently ruling their state. My dad was a staunch environmentalist, a shameless outspoken anti-racist, and a die-hard Reaganite. I still don't understand it to this day, but he made the math work in his own head somehow.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Owning the Libs by... checks notes creating a neighbourhood garden for friends to have free access to fresh fruits and veggies and... Wait a minute....
lemmyng@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 2d
Reagan Democrats George Lakoff: Moral Politics https://youtu.be/5f9R9MtkpqM?t=1821
vudu@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 2d
Go start a conversation
flandish@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 2d
i tried. he then walked up to my house when i was not home and asked my wife, who also complimented his garden, “what position are you in when thinking about me and my garden?”
so .. trump flag + sex pest. = he can fuck off.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2d
Lmfao oh my God that is classic boomer trump supporters, I'm sorry that happened but shit is kinda funny. They have no fucking filter.
flandish@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
lol. dont disagree. he almost got pepper sprayed but yesh. he’d not learn either way.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
"Damn libs turn aggressive just because you ask a simple question"
flandish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
hahah right?! “can i put it in you?” “no?” “fucking libs, always ruining my boners.”
architect@thelemmy.club · 15 pts · 2d
My Maga neighbor will tell you how much he hates all the Black people in the neighborhood.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to tell people to waste their time and energy on people that are not going to be saved. You can use that energy to help your own people and it is a much better use of it.
And you know I’m going to take this a step further and ask you why the fuck you assume we’re not having conversations with those people? It’s them refusing the conversation. What rock have you crawled out from under?
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
Remember: don't argue with people that John Brown would've shot
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
You can't have a conversation with someone who is unwilling to change their stance, no matter the evidence provided in front of them.
I drive a blue car. I refuse to have a conversation with someone who tells me it's yellow. Or that I don't actually drive a car, but it's actually a horse.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 2d
Wild to me that Americans aren’t allowed to do this
Ravenheart@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 2d
The US is a big place. Whether or not you're allowed to do this depends on where you live.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 2d
Yeah, but I've been told America is the Land of the Free, not Land of the Free, some conditions apply. Not applicable in certain jurisdictions. Check with your doctor if you are in an area free enough to grow a garden.
underscores@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 2d
It's land of the fee
Ravenheart@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 2d
"Land of the free" has only ever been propaganda. Free to sell your body and soul to a capitalist or starve to death under a bridge. Wow, what freedom.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 1d
It's the land of the free for the specific class, race, and ideology that phrase was implicitly intended to cover.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 12 pts · 2d
I went to Portland, OR about a year ago, and wandered aimlessly for a couple hours before concluding that Portland is the world capital of front-yard gardening.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1d
And our average house price is only $550,000!
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Yeah, for example, Earthships are more difficult to build here in Europe (regulations...) than in, for example, New Mexico where they originated.
deft@lemmy.wtf · 10 pts · 2d
Americans entirely do this. It really just depends where you live
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2d
They are, just depends if you're in an HOA or what the laws are if you're within city limits. If you're in unincorporated land then it's pretty free and wild. Earth ships are a thing and started in New Mexico.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 2d
Hell, it even depends on the HOA. I live in an HOA and there are plenty of yards in the neighborhood like this. We have a pretty chill HOA. It doesn't do much beyond taking care of a few communal spaces, organizing a couple of annual events like a community garage sale, and enforcing the most absolute basic of yard maintenance requirements. (A well-tended garden on the front yard is perfectly fine. Turning your yard into a junkyard or having three foot high grass in your front yard isn't. You can do what you want with your property, it just needs to be clean and intentional. You could convert your whole yard over to zero-maintenance clover, and that would be perfectly fine.)
And that's the kind of HOA I like. I do want my neighbors to maintain their properties. I want people to be free to mold their homes into whatever form they want, but no one intentionally sets out to have a yard filled with junk cars or three foot high grass. People plant grass with the intention of mowing it, it just gets away from them.
If you want grass, mow it. If you want a garden, plant it and tend it. If you want the lowest environmental impact and least effort, plant clover or other low-maintenance ground cover. Do whatever you want. I don't care. Just keep it clean and intentional. Hell, one of my neighbors keeps a giant demon skeleton in their front yard year-round. It's weird, but it's intentional, so it's fine.
I don't want to live in a neighborhood where every house is the same. I want the freedom to express myself through my home, and I want my neighbors to have the same freedom. But at the same time, I want to live in a place where people maintain their homes. I don't care what form you maintain your home to. But I do want it maintained. Grow as big of a garden as you want, just don't neglect it and let it get overgrown. If you just don't have the time and resources for a lot of yard maintenance, plant something like clover. It doesn't take a lot of effort or resources to keep a yard neat and clean.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
lol I just noticed that comment after i did post a very similar comment...
But for example suburbs are indeed a little bit well... badly regulated...
Evotech@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Is it normal in suburbs / cities?
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
Normal? Probably not normal anywhere. The money and effort in farming usually isn't offset by the production of such a small plot. It would be more of a hobby. What is more common is a dedicated space for farming within a suburban area. Typically they have a shared area and you pay monthly for your plot. Either that or some people with a green thumb in urban areas can turn their high-rise apartment into quite the greenhouse.
When it comes to feeding the masses efficiently farmland is still the dominant and most efficient method in most countries.
myyass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
It can get overly complicated. there's so many random laws that basically you give up. Like I have a tiny garden in the back yard, which won't give you issues; but the front yard can result in a $250 daily fine if it's not to their liking. I had to cut off part of my driveway, which everyone else has, so my lot can be more "herbaceous" because someone (neighbor that has a tree cutting company, salty cunt) across the street called the city about me trimming a tree so a branch so it didn't fall on my roof. I made sure to get the shittiest invasive grass you can get.
0tan0d@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
In Massachusetts near Boston I do not have to deal with any of that shit so my front yard looks exactly like this.
myyass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
As Sam wrote, HOAs are terrible. I thought I escaped by moving only to have the city do the same, sigh. Bonus points: I have a old oak tree that's half dead, can't be cut down because it's "protected" and it's destroying my foundation and driveway. But the next hurricane will likely topple the tree on the road and it's their problem then since the area it's on is "city property" so yeah you're luck you can have a garden. I really wanted to put one in the front yard then again the tree will kill it all anyway.
Sam_the_vallerina@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2d
I'm pretty sure that this mostly comes down to whether or not you have an HOA. HOAs are the literal devil.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
More that they don't want to, which is worse.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 2d
Depends on HOA I guess.
devfuuu@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
Imagine living in america and having laws about your garden.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 1d
Buy a house not in a HOA. Problem solved. I grow stuff in my front yard every year
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 1d
There are municipalities and counties that have classist lawn laws, too. In some places you either have to fight them and win or leave.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d
That didn’t come to mind. Where I’ve lived that’s never been a thing, the state even gave us tax credits to not have a lawn
incompetent@programming.dev · 6 pts · 1d
Some places even make it illegal to collect rainwater. It's ridiculous.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah, same state that wanted us to get rid of lawns but only allows rain water collection before the water hits the ground. Thought that was a weird wrinkle
btsax@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 22h
No state currently does. Very few have limits on the amount of catchment, the only one I know is Utah and the limit is 2500 gallons. Other states just say it can't be used for potable water
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 6h
I assume rainwater collection problems usually occur on the municipal or county level.
btsax@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 2h
I have never heard of one. I lived in one for a while that actually encouraged rainwater collection because it helps keep stormwater systems from overflowing during storms.
sprightly_exigence@leminal.space · 3 pts · 22h
Right, I had a friend who had a cop show up to their house because.... their grass was too long. Absolutely unhinged.
lengau@midwest.social · 23 pts · 2d
Yeah that's a no-go. The lawn extension must be kept less than 12" tall under city ordinance, and you need a license if you're going to sell or give away those vegetables...
x00z@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 2d
Hence the anarchy.
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 2d
I was worried about this and called the city/township and turns out, as long as it's cultivated, my plants can be as tall as I want!
I can't make a fence with trelliseseses though. They were very adamant about that.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
But can you make a trellis maze? Get lost in your grapes
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Maybe! Just as long as it's NOT A FENCE. I could call them again, but I think the idea of a trellis maze would upset them, and then I'd be behind the making of a new law lol.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Wait what?
Does come with a cost?
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 2d
It's because something something business activity.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
Something something taking potential profits from major chain grocery stores, and we can't have that.
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 2d
Well there is that but they also have to go through the same beruacracy (they can just afford the red tape anyways plus lobbying to convert those nice residentials to being strip malls)
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
What bureaucracy? It's vegetables in a garden. Pick them, wash them, eat them. This isn't commercial farming where you're using pesticides, tractors, desiel emissions, manure... It's a garden on the corner of someone's house.
These people likely aren't selling their stock to a global market, but rather letting their neighbours take something for dinner.
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1d
This chain was about selling said vegetables, which is a commercial activity regardless of scale
deft@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 2d
You don't need a license to sell vegetables only like processed foods and shit like that
rumba@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 2d
You will all eat VERY VERY well for about 2 weeks out of the year.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2d
You will have 1 month where you struggle to consume way too much of one single vegetable every week and you will dread having to find different recipes to use ot all up.
modus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Right now I have about 16 very large cucumbers. I don't even like pickles that much.
Moxie_empathizer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
My 15 yo daughter eats cucumbers like apples, she would mow through those 16 in one week.
modus@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
I think you gave birth to a rabbit.
Napster153@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Do they stomp their feet too when angry?
DirtPuddleMisfortune@feddit.org · 2 pts · 1d
Who? Daughters or rabbits? Nevermind, the answer is yes!
sunbytes@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Maybe that's when to feed your neighbours.
Ours just gave us a load of tomatoes and aubergine. Lovely.
If we'd had more than 6 strawberries we'd probably have shared too lol.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah our neighbours have ven bigger gardens so not really
sunbytes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Everyone in your neighbourhood has a bigger vegetable garden than you, and grows the same vegetables as you (if they were different vegetables, they might want those)?
Also they also harvest in the same two week window as you?
Because if it's outside that window, then everyone can spread the love on their own harvest week.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Well yeah mostly the same stuff with the same harvest window
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Ya gotta pickle and dehydrate. Last time I had room for a garden I got the preservation and storage down in my last season.
Buy a dehydrator, never make jerky in it, you'll never get the smell out. Works great for beans, onions and carrots.
There's not much besides lettuce and tomatoes you can't pickle out of a temperate zone type garden.
I was eating well well into winter.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
I have a 12-tray Cabellas dehydrator and have made loads of jerky. I even bought a slicer.
I've pickeled, I've helped my mother can back in the day.
I love my neighbors, but fuck no, that's WAY too much work.
At my last house I did hydroponic swiss shard. I'm thinking about cranking that up inside this winter.
I tried lettuce, but could never get it to harden off. as soon as I plucked the leaves they just went limp, it was like they were inflated by the water.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 2d
No that's how gardening looks like
architect@thelemmy.club · 16 pts · 2d
That’s a low fucking bar
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 2d
Gotta start somewhere 🤷🏻
the_fuckler@nord.pub · 3 pts · 2d
My initial thought too. Something will eventually have to happen to suburbs
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club · 16 pts · 1d
Finally a good use of the "front yard".
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Front yards are for block parties but nowadays everyone just hates everyone so they go home and close the shades./jk
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Back yards work well to for block parties
Gorillazrule@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d
There's something to the front yard that I'd never thought about. Yes back yard does work well too, but it feels more private and invite only. Whereas the front yard would feel more like an invitation for anyone to drop by. Like a neighbor from the next street over going for a walk. It seems like a more open social event that lets you get to know more people than the neighbors you're already acquainted with.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Good points about the front yard vs back yard
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1d
I've heard the same thing about an open garage door, but not sure how widespread that practice is
olosta@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2d
Where's the sidewalk?
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 2d
They mean like this:
But, a lot of neighborhoods don't have them:
I specifically bought in a neighborhood with sidewalks, because kids. But, as GenX I didn't anticipate that GenZ would be the first generation that didn't play outside all summer like we used to.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Didn’t even know that was a thing, where I live one side still requires a sidewalk.
my_hat_stinks@programming.dev · 5 pts · 2d
We'll need an after picture too, I assume they're going to replace that concrete tightrope with one?
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
Respond to the wrong comment?
a@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 2d
I think they're commenting that the sidewalk is super skinny. I legit didn't see it at first glance.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
The sidewalk is 36” (1m actually) with a 12” curb.
It’s large enough for wheelchairs to get by. The road is also 40’ wide so two cars can pass with parking along each side. The vehicle in the back provides some scale.
Plus the bins in the back, they’re atleast 24” by 24”, clearly the sidewalk is wider.
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 1 pts · 2d
So like, technically a sidewalk but that sidewalk is gonna be embarrassed af in gym class
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d
I think they're saying that sidewalk is too narrow, which it does look minimal compared to the street, like a wheelchair would have a hard time, especially with the edge curving down like that.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
It’s a 40’ wide road with a 36” sidewalk and 12” curb. People can pass a wheelchair going down it fine. Look at the vehicle and the bins for scale context.
It think they’re trying to funny that there’s no shoulder, which would just waste space on a 40km/h residential road that is filled with parking after school and work.
my_hat_stinks@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2d
So... About the minimum for a single person to walk with little leeway, normally in a safe indoor area with no car traffic?
36" is the absolute bare minimum required walkway space in the US by ADA to technically be wheelchair compliant in that a single wheelchair user might be able to use it, roughly half the minimum 1.8m clear width recommended by Australia's Department of Transport, and less than half the 2m minimum unobstructed walkway space recommended for pedestrians in low-traffic areas by the UK's department for transport. This is undeniably too narrow.
That road looks wide enough for about 4 cars, it's not a "waste" to surrender some of that to make it slightly less hostile to pedestrians.
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2d
This drives me nuts, I know sidewalks are an extra cost. But I'd happily pay a portion to get some put in around us.
I don't live in an HOA, but I swear all the surrounding neighborhoods just don't want them to keep the "riff raff" out. Still I ride bikes with my kid in the mega HOA neighborhood across the street, a lot flatter. Have to ride in the storm gutter if a car comes by.
They are building another mega HOA housing development next to the current one, houses at double the price. They certainly won't have sidewalks because it's targeting 60+. No restricted by age, but by money. They'll probably put a gate on it too.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
I don't know, My nieces are in VR or on their phones alot, but outside is still on equal footing. And they are meeting other kids out there.
I think for people that can sustain their social needs with indirect relationships, maybe. But anyone that needs in-person socializing, they are gonna go get it. They don't go outside as much extra during the school year, but they spend the majority of summer break out there.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Idk where you live but going outside in August is absolutely brutal down in Texas. All the kids go out in Fall and Winter, when the weather is much more bearable. You'll have the running trails packed shoulder-to-shoulder for half a mile as soon as temperatures get under 90. But not a degree before.
Zombie@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 2d
In the bottom right?
fartographer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
My city only requires sidewalks depending on how much vehicular traffic, how much foot traffic, and if kids are expected to navigate that street to get to school. And even then "one side" doesn't mean "same side." My house and the one next to my neighbor have the unfortunate yards missing sidewalks, meaning people have to use my next-for neighbor's sidewalk, cross the street, use my neighbor's sidewalk, and then can continue down until they have to cross the street again because the sidewalk is unusable at a certain point.
The reasons we have missing and broken sidewalks are that:
"My yard is the shitty impediment because I can't afford to fund a public service" is not one of the sad realities of home ownership that I expected to encounter.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
My city has a sidewalk renovation program, which is great.
I have a corner lot and practically triple the sidewalk my neighbors have. Cost me over 4 grand to have the city mandated sidewalk repairs done. Kind of a pain, but it was cheaper to get it bundled with them than to have a contractors come out and fix it.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Could you install a very narrow terrace at the front of your yard?
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
In many cases “the city has strict regulations on how they’re installed” should be read as “the city requires you to use one of their pre-approved contractors.”
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
If it’s for a sidewalk, yes. I’m wondering how strict their definition of sidewalk is.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Walk up the driveway, than under the wooden pergola at a 90 degree angle, than it turns to the house.
Driveways are parts of sidewalks, don’t need a seperate one if the driveway is wide enough to walk past the cars.
Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Either that is the ugliest home design or this is AI generated nonsense. Those buildings make no sense.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1d
Now that you mention it
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 1d
I've seen some shit in suburbia, so I'm not entirely sure here myself.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 10 pts · 2d
athatet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Single story houses are mansions now?
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 1d
McMansion. They look like mansions but arent. However that's beside the point. The point here is anarchy and nice townhouse area dont fit. Other ppl in that area can very well feed themselves.
In my area, besides things getting stolen, which OP is promoting here, your house'd get tagged, windows broken, fruit they couldnt carry smashed. Unfortunately in communities where not all people think they belong or others belong to theirs, vandalism is prominent.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
HOA says nah
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
Disgusting! I hope to never live to see such horrific living conditions in MY America /S
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 23h
Y'all's interpretation of anarchy is not good in this thread. Has anybody read the theory!?
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 2d
No need to worry about a sidewalk, there are no pedestrians in this car centric neighborhood.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1d
I prefer to believe there are no cars and so no need to build a separate walkway. That shiny thing in the background is a cardboard cutout.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 2d
Give it three weeks of good sun and enough rain, and all those plants will be very happy, twice the size, and unruly as it comes. Much more “anarchy” than these neat rows.
Zombie@feddit.uk · 33 pts · 2d
Anarchy =/= chaos.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism#toc2
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 2d
but anarchy is the freedom to break out of neat prescribed rows if they don't fit us
Zombie@feddit.uk · 18 pts · 2d
Aye, but that's not what they were saying. They were using the word as a synonym for chaos. A conflation of words that needs to be broken if anybody is to even begin to understand anarchism.
Anarchy = chaos has been used as a thought termination device since time immemorial, to shut up and confuse debate, to instill fear, and keep the rulers ruling.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 2d
"If there weren't laws and God, what's to keep me from rapin all day long?"
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 2d
So what part of anarchy is stopping passersby from ripping up the veg and taking them home just before they're fully ready to be harvested? Wait no, I'll grant you that's more of a GOP narcissist move, so what about the ones who just rip apart the still-growing garden for the hell of it? If you asked them they would consider themselves anarchists.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 2d
I didn’t mean to upset the very serious anarchist.l in the meme comm.
Zombie@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 2d
vk6flab@lemmy.radio · 6 pts · 2d
Feed your neighbours?
That amount of land is unlikely to feed a single person, let alone their neighbours.
https://fincatierra.com/journal/how-much-land-to-feed-a-person
Sam_the_vallerina@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 2d
Who's to say that they're only gardening on this single plot of land? Why not plant a food forest in your front and back yard, and coordinate with your neighbors to have the whole neighborhood build a food coop?
Also, how do you get "feed your neighbor every single calorie they will ever need" out of this meme? You're literally just loading a whole bunch of extra baggage onto a simple point that we should be growing and sharing food for our community. There's no reason to make perfect the enemy of good.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2d
I live in a town that is experiencing significant growth. The plot of land across the street from me had one house on it, it was torn down and they're building four in its place. My own house sits on two lots, so I have an above average amount of land for this suburban town. My yard, all told, is 8-10 times the size of what is pictured above.
I couldn't grow a year's worth of side dishes for myself on my land, if I knocked down every tree and shrub and replaced them with something productive. I do some backyard gardening, I can a year's worth of jelly (in fact that's a project for this coming week) and I raise a summer's worth of peppers and tomatoes.
OriginalTangle@feddit.org · 5 pts · 2d
Feed your neighbours the occasional veggie during summertime.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
I miss giant zucchinis. The groundhogs have defeated everyone in my neighborhood.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1d
I think it's assumed that we are to imagine we're looking at a small part of a whole.
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2d
wylinka@szmer.info · 5 pts · 1d
No, this is some middle class bullshit.
Peck@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Need short fence so that dogs don't pee there
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Not on the side of the road and then I'd be perfect.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Hey now - you're great no matter where you are!
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
It's all fun until you end up doing all the work and people come trample it trying to get food. Maybe that's just a California problem...
anugeshtu@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
Think you forgot that Madmax truck and some metal armoured raiders pillaging the garden and house until there's nothing left. /jk
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
"Anarchy under the umbrella of a very authoritarian system."
Arguably, "Socialism under the umbrella of a very authoritarian barely-socialist system."
A scientist would tell you this is bad data. Arguably good propaganda, but bad science.
Auth@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 21h
Nalivai@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
This is larp. If everything goes great with this little pretend garden and you spend full working days of couple of people for the whole season, you'll get 15 moderate salads from it, tops. You're not feeding shit with it.
That's a hobby, not a praxis or whatever.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1d
dude I had more lettuce than I could possibly eat just from the volunteers in my 4x8 planter that I didn't bother pulling out because I couldn't reach the other side. beans and peas and tomatoes and asparagus and lettuce and cabbage and onions and chives and raspberries all have volume in the <100sqft I've given them all
yes, gardening at this scale is a hobby and won't really save you money/time. but don't pretend it can't have a real impact on the source of your food.
if more people did this instead of have a manicured lawn, the rabbits in the neighbourhood would be eating good
MBech@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 1d
Nothing wrong with having a hobby. Selfgrown veggies taste much better than storebought anyway.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Absolutely nothing wrong with a hobby, everyone should have a lot of those, and gardening is amazing hobby if you're into that sort of things.
When I ride my bicycle, I don't pretend that I am a messanger of the solarpunk future riding for my neighbors, I just do my hobby for fun and health. If your idea of a good time is to fuck with the greenery, more power to you. Unless you believe you're feeding a neighborhood with your driveway dirtpatch vegies, then I will start to get worried about your grip on reality.
stickly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Everyone knows real praxis isn't leaving the house and making connections with real people on tangible projects. Gotta stay posting revolution memes and doom scrolling
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
Having a hobby is good, nobody is saying otherwise. Pretending that your hobby is actually a community service is not. You're not more or less of a people connector and community builder when you chat to your discord kittens from the basement than when you sit ass up picking weeds on your driveway cucumber patch.
stickly@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Terminally online take
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
So, what do you eat when the union votes for a strike? Copies of Das Kapital?
Nalivai@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1d
You eat your five tomatoes that you've spend 10 months growing of course. Other people will eat food that they bought with strike funds they allocated prior to a strike. They could've told you about those but you were too busy growing tomatoes on your driveway.
DeLancre@piefed.social · -4 pts · 2d
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 2d
bigotry against marginalized normadic people is not exactly very solarpunk
i suggest building solidarity instead
DeLancre@piefed.social · -9 pts · 2d
I can't build shit when they steal my stuff man.
Jokes aside, I live in Serbia. It's not "bigotry" here, it's just being aware of your surroundings. But you always welcome to come here and prove me wrong.
Upd. Considering amount of downvotes I assume answer to my comment would be something like "you right and I hate you for this, but have nothing to say in my defense, so here your downvote". Fine by me.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Congrats! You’re literally the European version of those Americans who are like “I’m not racist, but you gotta watch out around black folks”
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2d
People downvoting you don't have any experience with organized theivery purporting itself as a custom. Plenty of respectable Romani that don't act like con artists and crooks, but there are also plenty still causing the stigma to remain. Especially in Eastern Europe.
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 2d
Why not call it criminal gangs, when that is what it is? Making an entire ethnic group responsible for the actions of some is racism.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · -8 pts · 2d
I feel like that distinction is made by using the words Romani or Gypsy.
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 2d
It isn't.
TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2d
It's not stealing if it's free
cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 2d
The deer density throughout much of America would make that impossible without some serious fencing.
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -9 pts · 1d
Tell me you are a politically illiterate "left"-lib without telling me you are a politically illiterate "left"-lib
incompetent@programming.dev · 4 pts · 1d
I'm out of the loop, what's a "left"-lib?
stickly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Someone who grows food for their neighbors I guess
silasmariner@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1d
Anyone I disagree with. Look, I drew them as the virgin and I am the Chad.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 8h
Someone who doesn't need to have the threat of violence to do good things. That's the issue it seems.
Nomad@infosec.pub · -28 pts · 2d
This looks like an inexpensive hobby where labor cost is not factored in when you gift your neighbors extra food instead of preserving it. The neighbors might love you, but this is not really sustainable if you don't get anything in return.
the_q@piefed.social · 34 pts · 2d
This is your brain on capitalism...
Nomad@infosec.pub · -14 pts · 2d
Indeed. I'm just criticizing OP suggesting this might be a way to structure society in general. I'm a fan of anarchism, but like many idealized political systems it doesn't work as advertised. Same for communism and capitalism. That's why sensible nations have long chosen social capitalism.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d
No one is suggesting this is a way to structure society. It’s an example of a small, radical action an individual can take.
Anarchism can look like seemingly small, community-focused acts. The point is that it is not scary or apocalyptic. It is also not a single defined system that either “works” or “doesn’t work”.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2d
Ararchism works great so long and the entire group is committed to the plan, and retains the power to expell any person who tries to take advantage. To each as required, from each as able is more arnarchistic than communist. It's the attempt of one in group to obtain and retain that power of expulsion that leads to a power structure.
sunsoaked_lily@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2d
what about the people you expell? what happens to them?
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2d
If they cannot play nicely, it's not my prerogative to care. Imo anarchy is for people who can get along, those who cannot can go bar bar where ever they want, somewhere else.
sunsoaked_lily@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1d
your ideal society has a mechanism for depersoning a certain group of people to the point that they can be sent to die in the wilderness?
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1d
I'm open to alternatives, that's the whole point. I don't think imprisonment is right, and it doesn't work regardless. Obviously this isn't a first transgression punishment, but how would you deal with a person that refuses to contribute and only takes, despite being fully able to? This is a good discussion
Nomad@infosec.pub · -4 pts · 2d
And as long as the group is small and does not need to sustain itself without an external exchange of capital and goods. Like a commune, but working in the real world.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 2d
The group can be any size so long as everyone involved is against structured social power. How much digression from the ethos is allowed is up to the community at large
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 2d
Such a rotten mindset. "Neighbors might love you" but "you don't get anything in return".
Love is not nothing man! Even if you can't quantify it into moneys.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 2d
Yeah... Why would I want to share a few bottles of plum mead I made with friends, nothing in return!
Much better to sit inside on your own without any friends and never speaking to anyone. Makes it easier to blame minorities for all of the problems in society too.
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Except the blame minorities part, I don't mind the sit inside on my own bit, as a hermit by nature. I'd still grow stuff to share with the community as much as I'm able though. Just because I don't want to interact with people face to face doesn't mean I don't care that they are fed
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2d
But you're expecting of a return. That's not what it's about
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 2d
Food preservation is a lot of work, better to spread it on many shoulders. Usually what happens is that the neighbours return some glasses of jam etc. as a thank you.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 2d
I would probably turn it into alcohol
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
O.O
I've seen how my neighbors park their cars and look after their kids. I would not trust them to make anything that requires precision and attention.
Botulism is no joke.
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 2d
O.O
Are you for real?
I can assure you that botulism in self-made jams is an absolute freak event that is less likely than being struck by a meterorite 🙄
And you can easily see when a jam has turned bad otherwise and just discard it 🤷
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Maybe not jams in particular, but canning in general is not something I would trust my neighbors to do.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 2d
When I help people, I get something out of that. I feel GOOD. Try it. It works.
Nomad@infosec.pub · -6 pts · 2d
I enjoy that immensely myself when gardening. I'm just not suggesting this as a generalizable way to feed (or organize) society which the word anarchism suggests.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 2d
Meh, regardless of whether or not we can grow enough in home gardens to feed everyone (obviously we cannot), the benefits of having access to lots of fresh veggies nearby + the social aspect of finding solidarity with your neighbors in mutual aid seems to be more the point here, not that literally this garden is enough.
That and the fact that most people associate "anarchy" with something scary, but here is an example of one of the most radical things you can do and it's something you're granny probably does, thus "anarchy" is not scary seems to also be the point of this post