Fish was an example, there are way more food sources with healthy fats than fish and nuts but in general the American highly processed "food" is full of bad fats and worst form of sugars.
It's actually a really healthy breakfast because coffee has a lot of physical health benefits and both coffee and a cigarette help against a mental breakdown when you wake up and realize how fucked the world is.
Nicotine might help with short term anxiety symptoms, but addictions of all kinds tend to make anxiety worse overall and dependent on the addictive substance to not be anxious
I wouldn’t even care about the health hazards at this point, given the future we’re all looking at, if smoking didn’t make you stink I’d start back today
I'm way more addicted to vapes than cigarettes. Only reason I ever touch smokes is when I can't afford a 30$ vape and can only swing 7$ for a pack to get by.
Go with an open system and a bottle of eliquid. More of an upfront investment, but with a refillable system you can adjust your nicotine levels much easier, and it's significantly cheaper in the long run.
Not physically addictive, no. The physical addiction to nicotine lasts 3-7 days, while caffeine is 7-14.
It's not the nicotine that has you truly hooked, it's the habit. It's the fact that it's always on you and you can often hit it as much as you want.
Back before shitty closed disposable systems became popular, people regularly dropped to 0 nicotine without any trouble besides some cravings for a few days (which were about the equivalent of caffeine withdrawals).
Whilst you're kind of joking (I hope!) on the health benefits, I would say that deriving some enjoyment from all manner of small pleasures is a pretty good way to keep one's mental sanity.
Yeah, there are no heath benefits when it comes to smoking. It's just a way to get some feel good chemicals in our brain which we only need because of the addiction and how fucked the world is right now.
Also, nicotine is self-medication for a lot of undiagnosed ADHD folks. So, there are health benefits. Far outweighed by the health drawbacks though. At least for smoking to get the sweet, sweet nicotine.
Junk food is bad? Yeah, sure. Cigarettes are healthier than junk food? No way. Either you're a guerilla cigarette advertisement or you've gone off the deep end.
Fair I suppose, though it doesn't come across well online, especially given the fact that it lines up with the rhetoric cigarette companies have been trying to push for decades
Because as someone who watched his grandfather suffer for ten years from COPD and chronic bronchitis brought on by smoking and who suffers from constant struggles to breathe due to a lifetime of secondhand smoke, I don't find actual fucking nicotine propaganda to be funny.
They're slippery wee cunts. The trick is to chase them anticlockwise round the hill so their short leg is on the downhill side. Then they fall over when they try to run.
This picture HAS to be AI. The cheese wheels are getting progressively smaller. 2 cups of wine. The sauce bowl is barely bigger than a grape ñ. That purple sausage? in the middle looks like a turd. The pickles in the edge are even smaller than the grapes. Sausage baked into pound cake for breakfast seems odd.
The cheese wheels are getting progressively smaller
Different cheeses are different sizes. I'm no cheese master but I think it's a comté, a brie, and a Camembert in order of size.
2 cups of wine
Two glasses for two people? You share a cheese plate. We aren't selfish fat idiots in Europe.
The sauce bowl is barely bigger than a grape
What do you mean, its almost the size of all the grapes together? We don't drown all our food in gallons of sauce like mad men. The food itself actually has taste opposed to whatever McD serves for breakfast.
That purple sausage
Look up a Saucisse Sèche d'Auvergne. They do look like that.
The pickles in the edge are even smaller than the grapes.
It's cornichons. They are that small.
Sausage baked into pound cake for breakfast seems odd
It's bread. Not cake. Bread and sausage is extremely common together. I'm not French and haven't seen this variation but in and of itself this would be a stupid indicator of AI.
Independent of whether this is AI or not, this is how such plates look like. It's sad if that is so far out of someone's reality they have to call the AI card.
No offense. I'm sending this from a place where a meal like this would unfortunately cost me at least 5 of my kidneys 🥹
I found that to be the weirdest incorrect assumption. I bought a zippo during my time in the navy, they don't work well in windy conditions certainly not much better than regular gas lighters. What does work better are storm lighters, those with high pressure flame
I've definitely had better luck with them, although it depends on how windy and rainy it is. If it was so bad that a cigarette was going to be soaked before I got it lit, then nothing was going to work. Plus, you also have cold temperature performance; liquid fuels (for lighters) will continue to work in exceptionally cold weather, while butane lighters tend to not.
Agree. I bought one to go on trek, but you need to refuel it every week. Maybe 2 weeks if you tight it in inner tube. I ended up buying a storm lighter instead. I put it in my underpant when it's too cold, to avoid gas liquify 😂.
I was also pretty disappointed when i found out Zippo's drain themselves passively in 1-3 weeks. I thought I was getting the best version of a lighter.. :(
Zippo sucks. If you don't wear it on your body, it will be too cold and won't work. And if you leave it lying around for some time, the gas will evaporate and it'll be empty when you want to use it
Smoking cigarettes is the number one cause of heart disease and cancer globally. If you smoke, quitting is the biggest thing you can do to improve your health
Nah, obesity and high blood pressure are the top causes of heart disease, but smoking is also a major risk factor. Bad food and cigarettes are awful for you. Just drink a coffee and pursue an affair like a good Frenchman.
Cafestol is the main contributor of cardiovascular disease due to coffee (hugely increases cholesterol). Get filtered coffee, or even better, black/mate tea, Matcha/green tea, Guarana or Guyausa (most of which have the reverse effect on cholesterol btw).
Yeah, genetically predisposed here, will likely die of a stroke sometime. Though green (and other) tea, Guarana and Guyausa have lots of cholesterine reducers.
So it sounds like cafestol is the most potent cholesterol synthesis agonists, but that it is in such small amounts in the beans that using a paper filter essentially eliminates it entirely. Even without a paper filter, its low enough that the studies show that you would need to drink more than 4 cups a day of unfiltered coffee for it to start having any sort of impact.
Much less effective from an (admittedly brief) look around. The finer filtration you get with paper apparently helps filter it out, but it's such a small amount that even if you were just chewing beans it doesn't appear to matter.
On the "Europeans" side that's at least 2 decades out of date.
The expresso coffee part is still true in a good part of Europe, but pretty much everywhere in it nowadays only a small fraction of people smoke and even those who do can't actually do it inside a coffee shop because they're not allowed to smoke there anymore, which spoils a great deal of the enjoyment of having a morning coffee.
I live in Germany and work with Turks, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians, a Greek and a Slovenian. This meme is accurate for all of us. Weekends are a different story of course but in my experience this is indeed the true business day continental breakfast.
I grew up in the 1980s and trust me it's a microscopic fraction of what it used to be. You used to be able to cut blocks out of the air. If you sat at the back of a cinema you would be lucky if you were able to see the screen through all the haze. That's all gone now.
Yes, but not in the balkans. Went to Bosnia and was served an espresso and a cigarette as an addition to breakfast. It was even on the menu. I should mention that i only asked for a coffee.
I haven’t smoked in 8 years- and every morning when I have my coffee I STILL think, “fuck, a cigarette would elevate this whole experience just right.”
While we're shitting on breakfast culture in Europe I think that Italians have the worst. They have messed up daily rhythm (siesta and then dinner late in the evening)... Actually no, that's not an excuse. They have garbage breakfast culture, period.
Stayed in Rome and Florence for a week. The only breakfast stuff we found were indeed either sweet pastries or biscuits, accompanied by fruit and cheese.
Scrambled eggs or pancakes are the limit of the imagination I've seen from Italian restaurants. But most places have pastry or some variation of a sandwich that's going to be mostly bread.
Siesta is barely a thing in Italy any more unless you're like 70+ and rural lol. But a brioche stuffed with ice-cream is the king of breakfasts what are you on about
Granted, I know Italy only from a tourist perspective.
Every damn restaurant closes in the summer in the middle of the day. So do many shops.
Italy rarely have breakfast restaurants - or at least what I'd consider a breakfast restaurant. Some variations of a premade ready to go sandwich ain't it. And the good places ain't open in the morning, but rather during brunch hours and serve brunch/lunch more than breakfast.
It can be enjoyed anywhere or any time, but it's best served on a balcony in underwear. Greece happens to be a good place to get it in the morning all year round.
I smoked coffee on a field trip to Quebec in the 8th grade. I somehow was able to buy a bowl, and we had nothing to smoke so put coffee in it and put it up in our hotel room. Set off smoke detector. Broke the coffee pot. It was a real mess.
The eighth grade French classes no longer take field trips to Quebec. This was only a small reason why. Co-ed 13 and 14-year-olds on six hour bus rides, two nights in hotels essentially unsupervised. This was the 2000-2001 school year. What a time to be alive.
In my experience that very much depends on the part of Europe you're in: the "expresso in the morning" thing is mostly common in Southern Europe and France and back in the day when smoking was much more common and was actually allowed indoors in public venues, people having a ciggy and a morning coffee at a cafe was a pretty common sight.
Places in Europe without the whole tradition of coffee places serving expressos never really had this kind of "breakfast".
Then you have clearly done something wrong, just this morning as I stepped out the train at 5 there was a guy with blue collar clothes, cigarette + energy drink. Fast forward one hour and saw a construction worker with a large coffee, cigarette and croissant. This was in rural Switzerland, but I think its even more common in the cities.
Oh yes the famous nation of Europe. An entire continent full of nations and different cultures been rendered down to the stereotypes of the occupants of a single city.
If they did it in a meme they posted in a community with shitpost in the name I can't say I would pay it much mind or take any personal offense to it, no. That seems to be a uniquely European thing
Thanks for clearly stating why the world makes fun of American stupidity
You know that states can be culturally as different as nations, right?
no. they are not, and you only say that, because you have no idea how different cultures can be. California and NY are still American, speak English, eat similar food, do similar sports... whatever difference between California and NY is nothing compared Spain and France.
No, actually. I think it would unironically be better to get all your calories and nutrition from bread, cheese, and sausage than to have a diet consisting of any variety of high-sugar, ultra-processed food.
Also breakfast is completely optional and its promotion as "the most important meal of the day" is a scam to sell more cereal, milk, and eggs. I will die on that hill.
My hill to die on is that breakfast is the only meal that you can work the calories off all day. Eat what you want for breakfast but have a lighter lunch and even lighter evening meal.
Well technically you're burning the same number of calories regardless of the time of day they were consumed, and two meals per day is a lot easier to keep at 2000 calories (as a rule of thumb - different for everybody) than three meals per day.
Personally I like to keep the digestive process dormant for as long as possible. Eating breakfast makes me hungrier throughout the day, so I end up snacking more than I otherwise would. I've never been a breakfast eater though so I'm pretty well wired not to break fast until lunch.
Edit: also heavy foods require rest and digestion that I do not have time for most mornings
Yes for some, no for others? When I was a kid I hated having breakfast. My stomach would feel weird if I ate within the first two or three hours of being awake. But now, I need something. Nothing heavy. Some toast and peanut butter is good enough. If not, I get sick to my stomach. I would assume I'm not the only one who is like this.
aha, hence why I said optional. If you want/need it, have it. If you don't want or need it, it doesn't actually harm you in any universally applicable way to just wait until lunch.
French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian... it's not really specific. It's also not for everyone. I'd say it's mostly for 20sth in rush and 50sth working men. Everybody else either skip it entirely or have a proper breakfast, but that's just my experience, might not generalize.
I usually cant eat breakfast, it just wont go down. Im usually OK with just a big lunch followed by snacks following, though i do sometimes forget to eat lunch and realise late at night that I havent eaten all day
"Continental breakfast" is also a thing. It's mostly baked goods with sweet spreads and maybe a boiled egg, so that's not that much better (though healthier than smoking).
Italy is the thinnest or one of the thinnest (depending on the year and the specific study) countries in Europe and it's still too fat and getting fatter.
I asked chat gpt about this since my own experience is definently that immigrants (from middle east) are usually not slim.
Here is a what it said:
Yes — there is credible evidence that immigration has been associated with changes in obesity levels in Europe (and other high-income regions) over the past ~20 years, though causality is complex and effects vary by group.
Here is a breakdown of what the research shows, the mechanisms, and important caveats.
✅ What the evidence shows
A systematic review on migrants found: “migrants may arrive in new countries with a health advantage … but unhealthy weight gain in migrant populations may lead to similar or greater obesity risk compared with native populations 10-15 years after migration.”
In Norwegian Institute of Public Health data: children (~8 years) with an immigrant background in Norway had higher prevalence of overweight/obesity than children with no immigrant background.
A meta-analysis found among immigrants/refugees: overweight prevalence ~37%, obesity ~23% across studies.
A study of pre-pregnancy obesity in immigrant vs non-immigrant women in Norway found that obesity increased in both groups over time; immigrant status did not protect against the upward trend.
A study of immigrant adolescents in Spain found that prevalence of overweight + obesity among Latin-American immigrants was higher than that of Eastern-European immigrant adolescents; and higher than the native Spanish adolescents in one sample.
🔍 Mechanisms and contributing factors
Several plausible mechanisms by which immigration could influence obesity trends:
Acculturation / lifestyle change: Migrants from countries with lower obesity prevalence may adopt host-country dietary patterns (often higher in processed food, sugar, fat) and sedentary behaviours over time.
Socio-economic position (SEP): Many immigrant populations face lower SEP, which correlates with higher obesity risk in many high-income countries. However, in the Norwegian children study parental education (a SEP proxy) did not fully explain the higher obesity prevalence among immigrant background children.
Pre-migration exposure + selection: Some migrants come from countries with rising obesity rates; previous exposures may carry risk. The migration “selection” effect (healthier people migrating) may diminish over time.
Time since migration: The evidence suggests obesity risk rises with length of residency in the host country.
Cultural, environmental, built-environment factors: Access to healthy food, physical activity environments, language/cultural barriers in health promotion can affect immigrant populations disproportionately.
⚠️ Important caveats & limitations
The research often focuses on immigrant groups specifically, not purely on the national obesity rate aggregated across all residents. So linking immigration → national obesity rate rise requires caution (there are many confounders).
Longitudinal, causally-attributed studies are fewer. Many are cross-sectional (immigrant vs non-immigrant at one time).
Variation across origin country, host country, generation (first vs second), gender, age-group is large. Immigrants from some regions show higher risk than others.
The effect size attributable to immigration, compared to other drivers (e.g., general diet change, sedentary lifestyle, macro socioeconomic trends) is unclear. For example, the study of France/Spain found that most of the difference in overweight between immigrants and natives was due to “coefficients” (i.e., unobserved factors) rather than observable characteristics.
Data for the 20-year span in some places is limited.
📋 Summary statement
Immigration into European/high-income countries is associated with higher obesity risk in immigrant sub-populations and may contribute to national obesity trends — especially via lifestyle change, socio-economic disadvantage, and acculturation effects. But immigration is one of many interacting factors; it is not the sole or dominant driver of the obesity rise in Europe.
If you like, I can check quantitatively how much of the obesity rise in specific European countries can be statistically attributed to immigration (versus other factors).
There aren't nearly enough MENA or sub-saharan african immigrants to explain Europe's surging overweight- and obesity-rates. And IDK what kinds of people you are seeing, most MENA people I see here in Germany are thinner than the average German.
If beans get you bloated your fiber and vegetable intake gotta be ABYSMAL. And I’m not talking about Taco Bell beans. Just regular beans you cook at home either canned or boiled.
okay that's fair but burritos are pretty great. not as good as tacos with a side of chips and salsa, but still pretty great.
if you don't like mexican food i worry our cultural values (mine ranking deliciousness laughably high) don't line up, but we can probably figure it out.
Once I started skipping breakfast, I felt more awake in the morning. Not only that, but I had more time to get ready for work. My real problem is how to consume less calories, not more.
Drugs are not food, and with the exception for a few countires, drugs are pretty universal. Not eating anything for breakfast can actually be a healthier choice han doing so. But the land of the obese would understand.
I grew up on these in america since my cousins are british, no other beans work, I remember them leaving and my mom tried to buy the right beans, it took months she shouldve just asked, any other beans suck and dont taste the same or work with breakfast food imo, heins beans + sunnyside up eggs + bacon + toast in one bite is peak
'Baked Beans on Toast' is a staple breakfast food in Australia too. It's served in most cafes, usually alongside eggs, bacon, chipolatas, hash brown, and a grilled tomato.
238 Comments
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 123 pts · 292d
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 292d
It's the extra tar that makes the Gailoises so smoooooooth..
CAVOK@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 292d
Came here to say the same thing. Malboro and a Zippo? GTFO!
localhorst@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 292d
Petit-déjeuner noir
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
Blue Drum rolling tobacco dark roast coffee black and unsweetened.
j5906@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
HerrVorragend@lemmy.world · 115 pts · 292d
How DARE you to include Nutella in that American stuff!
Almost spit my cigarette in my coffee in disgust.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 39 pts · 292d
It's 50% fat, 50% sugar and disgusting so I get the confusion. But it's indeed Italian.
village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 292d
There's nothing wrong with fat, though.
despoticruin@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 292d
There is a lot wrong with palm oil that has nothing to do with your waistline, and that's what composes most of Nutella.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 292d
Depends on the type of fat. Some fats are really unhealthy, like in American food. Fats in fish are healthy.
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 292d
So are nut fats
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 292d
I'm a fan of fat nuts
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Gottem
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 292d
Fish was an example, there are way more food sources with healthy fats than fish and nuts but in general the American highly processed "food" is full of bad fats and worst form of sugars.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
i think you're confusing statesians who can't cook with statesians who can
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 291d
Algae fats too
vateso5074@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 292d
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 80 pts · 292d
It's actually a really healthy breakfast because coffee has a lot of physical health benefits and both coffee and a cigarette help against a mental breakdown when you wake up and realize how fucked the world is.
Senseless@feddit.org · 34 pts · 292d
The world is so fucked no amount of coffee and cigarettes help anymore. Ketamine on the other hand...
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 292d
I do ketamine every weekend but during the week coffee is what motivates me to come out of bed.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 292d
no thanks we've all seen what constant k-holing can do to a person
mobotsar@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 292d
We have?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
space karen
AquaTofana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 290d
Elon Musk famously abuses Ketamine to an insane degree.
Makes me never wanna try the stuff.
mobotsar@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 290d
Unfortunately, I didn't have to Google who that is.
AquaTofana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 290d
Speaking for America, we're deeply sorry about him getting a platform.
OozingPositron@feddit.cl · 1 pts · 292d
https://youtu.be/DRfidJNts6U
cymbal_king@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 292d
Nicotine might help with short term anxiety symptoms, but addictions of all kinds tend to make anxiety worse overall and dependent on the addictive substance to not be anxious
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 292d
Yes, that's why you should never skip your cigarette with breakfast :)
(I quit smoking luckily, I'm just joking around)
Nythos@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 292d
Sometimes I wish smoking wasn’t so bad for you.
Nothing hit as good as smoking a cig after a stressful day at work and unwinding.
cmbabul@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 291d
I wouldn’t even care about the health hazards at this point, given the future we’re all looking at, if smoking didn’t make you stink I’d start back today
village604@adultswim.fan · -4 pts · 292d
Nicotine, by itself, really isn't that much more addictive than caffeine.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 292d
As a smoker, that's a fucking lie.
village604@adultswim.fan · -1 pts · 292d
Did you not read my comment? I said nicotine by itself, not cigarettes.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 292d
Vapes are addictive af, what are you talking about?
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
I'm way more addicted to vapes than cigarettes. Only reason I ever touch smokes is when I can't afford a 30$ vape and can only swing 7$ for a pack to get by.
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 292d
Go with an open system and a bottle of eliquid. More of an upfront investment, but with a refillable system you can adjust your nicotine levels much easier, and it's significantly cheaper in the long run.
village604@adultswim.fan · 2 pts · 292d
Not physically addictive, no. The physical addiction to nicotine lasts 3-7 days, while caffeine is 7-14.
It's not the nicotine that has you truly hooked, it's the habit. It's the fact that it's always on you and you can often hit it as much as you want.
Back before shitty closed disposable systems became popular, people regularly dropped to 0 nicotine without any trouble besides some cravings for a few days (which were about the equivalent of caffeine withdrawals).
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 291d
Have you stopped smoking or drinking coffee? One is way harder, let me tell you. They are both habits, but nicotine is way more mentally pervasive.
You milage may vary but stopping smoking was way harder than coffee. For me, personally.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 292d
Whilst you're kind of joking (I hope!) on the health benefits, I would say that deriving some enjoyment from all manner of small pleasures is a pretty good way to keep one's mental sanity.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 292d
I wasn't joking about the health benefits of coffee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 292d
I was thinking that the joke part was about the ciggie rather than the coffee.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 292d
Yeah, there are no heath benefits when it comes to smoking. It's just a way to get some feel good chemicals in our brain which we only need because of the addiction and how fucked the world is right now.
kossa@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
Also, nicotine is self-medication for a lot of undiagnosed ADHD folks. So, there are health benefits. Far outweighed by the health drawbacks though. At least for smoking to get the sweet, sweet nicotine.
aarch0x40@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 292d
To be fair, cigarettes and coffee are probably healtier than all those foodproduct items on the left.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 68 pts · 292d
Junk food is bad? Yeah, sure. Cigarettes are healthier than junk food? No way. Either you're a guerilla cigarette advertisement or you've gone off the deep end.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 62 pts · 292d
TheBat@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 292d
aarch0x40@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 292d
Who do these people think they are, making jokes on shitposts? I’d report myself to the mods if that was an option!
msage@programming.dev · 8 pts · 292d
It's more likely than you think.
aarch0x40@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 292d
My comment was so serious, one could say it was super serious.
sips a cigarrette and take a drag off coffee
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 292d
Fair I suppose, though it doesn't come across well online, especially given the fact that it lines up with the rhetoric cigarette companies have been trying to push for decades
aarch0x40@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 292d
Ask your Doctor if c/lemmyshitpost is right for you! Side affects may include absurdity, nausea, diarrhea and gastrointestinal distress.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 292d
Yeah, lemmyshitpost, not lemmyshitcomment. Besides, since when is parroting nicotine propaganda considered shitposting?
gigachad@piefed.social · 6 pts · 292d
Why don't you just accept you missed a joke and laugh with us
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 291d
Because as someone who watched his grandfather suffer for ten years from COPD and chronic bronchitis brought on by smoking and who suffers from constant struggles to breathe due to a lifetime of secondhand smoke, I don't find actual fucking nicotine propaganda to be funny.
i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 292d
I don't know, my tummy hurts more after eating a cigarette than junk food.
Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 292d
The choice is lung cancer and heart disease or diabetes and heart disease. At least us europeans die looking good /s.
Defectus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 292d
I still think you have better odds living longer with the coffee and cigs. I've seen far more elderly smokers than elderly fatsos.
Anivia@feddit.org · -5 pts · 292d
How is that relevant? Junk food doesn't make you fat
aarch0x40@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 292d
Everyone knows that it's dangerous minorities that make you fat!
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 292d
The burger is definitely healthier than the cigarette.
Coffee for the win though.. all those complex alkaloids and polyphenols..
wowski303@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 292d
agreed 100/100
bollybing@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 292d
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 292d
As a Scottish lass, I'm going to shut my fucking mouth.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 292d
Don't worry, Americans are still up a hill trying to find a wild haggis.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 292d
They're slippery wee cunts. The trick is to chase them anticlockwise round the hill so their short leg is on the downhill side. Then they fall over when they try to run.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 291d
Joke’s on them, haggis is illegal in the US
tino@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 292d
This is the Parisian breakfast. Nothing compared to the Lyonnais breakfast
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 291d
Well I’m definitely going to need a a Parisian breakfast after having all of that
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 291d
Damn I want to go to Lyon now
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 292d
Oooh le saucisson aux pistaches dans la broche. Gourmand !
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 291d
Valmond@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
Beaujolais ? Closer to Lyon... 😁
Gladaed@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
Cheese is a snack food/dessert as far as I know. Hence, doubt (x)
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 292d
Surely they don't eat that much cheese as part of their breakfast
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 292d
You're right, they don't.
The other two cheese platters are out of shot.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 292d
This picture HAS to be AI. The cheese wheels are getting progressively smaller. 2 cups of wine. The sauce bowl is barely bigger than a grape ñ. That purple sausage? in the middle looks like a turd. The pickles in the edge are even smaller than the grapes. Sausage baked into pound cake for breakfast seems odd.
VonReposti@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 291d
Different cheeses are different sizes. I'm no cheese master but I think it's a comté, a brie, and a Camembert in order of size.
Two glasses for two people? You share a cheese plate. We aren't selfish fat idiots in Europe.
What do you mean, its almost the size of all the grapes together? We don't drown all our food in gallons of sauce like mad men. The food itself actually has taste opposed to whatever McD serves for breakfast.
Look up a Saucisse Sèche d'Auvergne. They do look like that.
It's cornichons. They are that small.
It's bread. Not cake. Bread and sausage is extremely common together. I'm not French and haven't seen this variation but in and of itself this would be a stupid indicator of AI.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 292d
Reverse image search shows it 3 years ago. Not AI.
udon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 291d
Independent of whether this is AI or not, this is how such plates look like. It's sad if that is so far out of someone's reality they have to call the AI card.
No offense. I'm sending this from a place where a meal like this would unfortunately cost me at least 5 of my kidneys 🥹
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 292d
Don't compare all of Europe to France! The French love their despresso, that's on them.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 292d
They clearly have not been to a Swedish breakfast buffet.
borokov@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 292d
I've never seen a single European use a Zippo. We use Bic over here !
tatann@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 292d
If you live on the coast or other windy region, Zippo works better
RidderSport@feddit.org · 9 pts · 292d
I found that to be the weirdest incorrect assumption. I bought a zippo during my time in the navy, they don't work well in windy conditions certainly not much better than regular gas lighters. What does work better are storm lighters, those with high pressure flame
Semester3383@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
I've definitely had better luck with them, although it depends on how windy and rainy it is. If it was so bad that a cigarette was going to be soaked before I got it lit, then nothing was going to work. Plus, you also have cold temperature performance; liquid fuels (for lighters) will continue to work in exceptionally cold weather, while butane lighters tend to not.
borokov@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 292d
Agree. I bought one to go on trek, but you need to refuel it every week. Maybe 2 weeks if you tight it in inner tube. I ended up buying a storm lighter instead. I put it in my underpant when it's too cold, to avoid gas liquify 😂.
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
I was also pretty disappointed when i found out Zippo's drain themselves passively in 1-3 weeks. I thought I was getting the best version of a lighter.. :(
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 292d
Zippo (too) sucks for windy weather. You want one of those blowtorch ones
dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 292d
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 292d
Zippos are really only around still because of aesthetic and cool factor and anyone who says otherwise is lying.
TheYojimbo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 292d
I've seen plenty in highschool, even owned one.
borokov@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
Really ? Never saw anyone use it. Are you in Northen Europe/cold area maybe ?
TheYojimbo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
South of France, so not really.
ftbd@feddit.org · 4 pts · 292d
Zippo sucks. If you don't wear it on your body, it will be too cold and won't work. And if you leave it lying around for some time, the gas will evaporate and it'll be empty when you want to use it
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 292d
They also slowly evaporate while in your pocket, irritating the thigh.
They are pretty much the best at sea, though.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 292d
Also the smell of the carburant is off putting to me.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Cricket lighters are better. Much more reliable.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 292d
Unfortunately, the one on the right may be more healthy
cymbal_king@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 292d
Smoking cigarettes is the number one cause of heart disease and cancer globally. If you smoke, quitting is the biggest thing you can do to improve your health
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 292d
Nah, obesity and high blood pressure are the top causes of heart disease, but smoking is also a major risk factor. Bad food and cigarettes are awful for you. Just drink a coffee and pursue an affair like a good Frenchman.
Soulg@ani.social · 10 pts · 292d
Take out the cig and it definitely is
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 292d
Cafestol is the main contributor of cardiovascular disease due to coffee (hugely increases cholesterol). Get filtered coffee, or even better, black/mate tea, Matcha/green tea, Guarana or Guyausa (most of which have the reverse effect on cholesterol btw).
Taldan@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 292d
I like how different people have said each different item is the main cause of heart disease
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 292d
main cause of heart disease is having a heart
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
Yeah, such a terrible thing. Let's remove it! :D
Don't mind the Aztec decorations in my clinic. :D
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
oh i see we've met before
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Now can we stop being so mean to those poor heartless megacorp voting shareholders?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
rare we talking
or
edit: also, no.
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 292d
Joke's on you guys because reading my comments is the main cause of heart disease gottem
cmbabul@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 292d
Straight up didn’t know this, but I don’t and have never drank coffee and am the only man in my family without cholesterol issues.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 292d
Yeah, genetically predisposed here, will likely die of a stroke sometime. Though green (and other) tea, Guarana and Guyausa have lots of cholesterine reducers.
waitmarks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
Do you have a source on that?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 292d
Sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_coffee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafestol
And some of the ingredients in the alternatives (some of them in coffee too).
waitmarks@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 292d
So it sounds like cafestol is the most potent cholesterol synthesis agonists, but that it is in such small amounts in the beans that using a paper filter essentially eliminates it entirely. Even without a paper filter, its low enough that the studies show that you would need to drink more than 4 cups a day of unfiltered coffee for it to start having any sort of impact.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 292d
Ok, fair point.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
metal filter work too?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Much less effective from an (admittedly brief) look around. The finer filtration you get with paper apparently helps filter it out, but it's such a small amount that even if you were just chewing beans it doesn't appear to matter.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
oh yeah those neuroprotective issues are more important to me than the cardiovascular ones. YMWV
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 292d
On the "Europeans" side that's at least 2 decades out of date.
The expresso coffee part is still true in a good part of Europe, but pretty much everywhere in it nowadays only a small fraction of people smoke and even those who do can't actually do it inside a coffee shop because they're not allowed to smoke there anymore, which spoils a great deal of the enjoyment of having a morning coffee.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org · 15 pts · 292d
I live in Germany and work with Turks, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians, a Greek and a Slovenian. This meme is accurate for all of us. Weekends are a different story of course but in my experience this is indeed the true business day continental breakfast.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 292d
Is it? I was just in London a couple months ago, the amount of people smoking and vaping there was honestly shocking.
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 291d
I grew up in the 1980s and trust me it's a microscopic fraction of what it used to be. You used to be able to cut blocks out of the air. If you sat at the back of a cinema you would be lucky if you were able to see the screen through all the haze. That's all gone now.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 292d
As a fraction of the total it's still a small percentage, unless things changed a lot in the 5 years since I moved out of there.
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 292d
Yes, but not in the balkans. Went to Bosnia and was served an espresso and a cigarette as an addition to breakfast. It was even on the menu. I should mention that i only asked for a coffee.
Datz@szmer.info · 4 pts · 292d
It was a culture shock that you can smoke indoors there, especially since I hate smoking.
insomniac199@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 292d
Wonder what's so good about coffee and cigarettes combo
PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 292d
Former smoker here. The flavor combo is amazing, and both act as stimulants, and I could get my fix for both addictions in one go.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
that hippie speedball is beautiful when done right too
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
I had never heard this term but that's dope
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 292d
I haven’t smoked in 8 years- and every morning when I have my coffee I STILL think, “fuck, a cigarette would elevate this whole experience just right.”
Don’t start. Bad idea.
fleebleneeble@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 292d
If you're a pooping-challenged individual, it really helps knock that out whenever. And that always puts a smile on anyone's face
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
Probably the same as sex and cigarettes.
Or alcohol and cigarettes.
Double the high.
goosehorse@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Former smoker --- don't try it, but trust that it's awesome.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 292d
It’s a culture that doesn’t eat any damn vegetables, so they need weapons-grade stimulants to get anything out in the morning.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 292d
While we're shitting on breakfast culture in Europe I think that Italians have the worst. They have messed up daily rhythm (siesta and then dinner late in the evening)... Actually no, that's not an excuse. They have garbage breakfast culture, period.
Literally everyone else's breakfasts are awesome.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 292d
please explain in detail these awful italian breakfasts because like greek food i have yet to find a dish in the culture i dislike
ButtDrugs@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 292d
How many Italian breakfast dishes you see around 😄?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
i only buy sandwiches, coffee and passata at the the italian deli/cafe in town. they bake the best foccacia
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
The interwebs seem to have a consensus of cappuccino and a sweet pastry
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Stayed in Rome and Florence for a week. The only breakfast stuff we found were indeed either sweet pastries or biscuits, accompanied by fruit and cheese.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 292d
Scrambled eggs or pancakes are the limit of the imagination I've seen from Italian restaurants. But most places have pastry or some variation of a sandwich that's going to be mostly bread.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 292d
Siesta is NOT Italian
what do you mean "garbage breakfast"? Tell me what do you think most of Italians eat at breakfast
Dinner late in the evening is not on the entire penisula
silasmariner@programming.dev · 1 pts · 292d
Siesta is barely a thing in Italy any more unless you're like 70+ and rural lol. But a brioche stuffed with ice-cream is the king of breakfasts what are you on about
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 292d
Granted, I know Italy only from a tourist perspective.
Every damn restaurant closes in the summer in the middle of the day. So do many shops.
Italy rarely have breakfast restaurants - or at least what I'd consider a breakfast restaurant. Some variations of a premade ready to go sandwich ain't it. And the good places ain't open in the morning, but rather during brunch hours and serve brunch/lunch more than breakfast.
I know you're joking. You're kidding, right? :)
silasmariner@programming.dev · 1 pts · 292d
Sicilian ice cream sandwiches are a real thing and they are basically the best thing that's ever happened to breakfast cuisine
Mubelotix@jlai.lu · 23 pts · 292d
Lived in Europe my whole life and never seen anyone pair coffee and cigarettes as part of their breakfast
promitheas@programming.dev · 19 pts · 292d
What part of europe are you from my friend?!?
CluckN@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 292d
Vatican City
promitheas@programming.dev · 1 pts · 290d
Well i hardly expect the pope to be a smoker
bstix@feddit.dk · 16 pts · 292d
I know it as Greek Breakfast.
It can be enjoyed anywhere or any time, but it's best served on a balcony in underwear. Greece happens to be a good place to get it in the morning all year round.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
we call it the Parisian if it includes healthy amounts of hatred (Parisian Lite without the hatred)
mr_satan@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 292d
When I smoked coffee and cigarettes were one of the best combos.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 292d
How in the hell do you smoke coffee? Please, tell us your secrets!
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 292d
I smoked coffee on a field trip to Quebec in the 8th grade. I somehow was able to buy a bowl, and we had nothing to smoke so put coffee in it and put it up in our hotel room. Set off smoke detector. Broke the coffee pot. It was a real mess.
The eighth grade French classes no longer take field trips to Quebec. This was only a small reason why. Co-ed 13 and 14-year-olds on six hour bus rides, two nights in hotels essentially unsupervised. This was the 2000-2001 school year. What a time to be alive.
mr_satan@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 292d
Unfortunate missing comma…
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
you can smoke liquids in a cold smoker
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 292d
In my experience that very much depends on the part of Europe you're in: the "expresso in the morning" thing is mostly common in Southern Europe and France and back in the day when smoking was much more common and was actually allowed indoors in public venues, people having a ciggy and a morning coffee at a cafe was a pretty common sight.
Places in Europe without the whole tradition of coffee places serving expressos never really had this kind of "breakfast".
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 292d
Coffee and sweet pastry, or just coffee is something I commonly saw in Italy (and only Italy)
j5906@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
Then you have clearly done something wrong, just this morning as I stepped out the train at 5 there was a guy with blue collar clothes, cigarette + energy drink. Fast forward one hour and saw a construction worker with a large coffee, cigarette and croissant. This was in rural Switzerland, but I think its even more common in the cities.
Mubelotix@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 291d
Not sure it's wrong to be surrounded by healthy people. Maybe it's just older generations doing that
mEEGal@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 292d
That's because you didn't go to a european high school
Mubelotix@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 291d
I did
mEEGal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 291d
Oh...
LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 292d
Now that's a proper fuckin breakfast
echodot@feddit.uk · 20 pts · 291d
Oh yes the famous nation of Europe. An entire continent full of nations and different cultures been rendered down to the stereotypes of the occupants of a single city.
Americans need to get out more.
FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 291d
Damn struck a nerve huh
Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 291d
I'm not from Europe. But I agree with them. A dumb meme is a dumb meme
FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 290d
And what community did you think you were in again?
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 291d
Yeah let's all just ignore the utter ignorance that this image demonstrates.
FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 290d
It's in a community with shitpost in the name I don't think you're supposed to take it seriously bud
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 290d
imagine if someone is complaining about Americans, and interchangeably refering to Canadians/mexicans/Argentinians...
You damn Americans, always saying sorry with your mate thermos, carnival music mariachis...
FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 290d
If they did it in a meme they posted in a community with shitpost in the name I can't say I would pay it much mind or take any personal offense to it, no. That seems to be a uniquely European thing
mean_bean279@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 290d
Fuck heads already do because they say “America refers to all of Americas, not The United States.”
But also, as a Californian I apologize a lot and listen to mariachi music. You know that states can be culturally as different as nations, right?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 290d
Thanks for clearly stating why the world makes fun of American stupidity
no. they are not, and you only say that, because you have no idea how different cultures can be. California and NY are still American, speak English, eat similar food, do similar sports... whatever difference between California and NY is nothing compared Spain and France.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 286d
Seriously, what country is this even applicable to? Russia?
rabber@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 286d
France
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 286d
Still, or 90s France?
Phineaz@feddit.org · -2 pts · 291d
... Did you forget the /s?
causepix@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 291d
No, actually. I think it would unironically be better to get all your calories and nutrition from bread, cheese, and sausage than to have a diet consisting of any variety of high-sugar, ultra-processed food.
Also breakfast is completely optional and its promotion as "the most important meal of the day" is a scam to sell more cereal, milk, and eggs. I will die on that hill.
Grimtuck@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 290d
My hill to die on is that breakfast is the only meal that you can work the calories off all day. Eat what you want for breakfast but have a lighter lunch and even lighter evening meal.
causepix@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 290d
Well technically you're burning the same number of calories regardless of the time of day they were consumed, and two meals per day is a lot easier to keep at 2000 calories (as a rule of thumb - different for everybody) than three meals per day.
Personally I like to keep the digestive process dormant for as long as possible. Eating breakfast makes me hungrier throughout the day, so I end up snacking more than I otherwise would. I've never been a breakfast eater though so I'm pretty well wired not to break fast until lunch.
Edit: also heavy foods require rest and digestion that I do not have time for most mornings
Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 291d
Yes for some, no for others? When I was a kid I hated having breakfast. My stomach would feel weird if I ate within the first two or three hours of being awake. But now, I need something. Nothing heavy. Some toast and peanut butter is good enough. If not, I get sick to my stomach. I would assume I'm not the only one who is like this.
causepix@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 291d
aha, hence why I said optional. If you want/need it, have it. If you don't want or need it, it doesn't actually harm you in any universally applicable way to just wait until lunch.
Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 291d
Valid point. touché
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 292d
Isn't that a french breakfast in the right?
utopiah@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 292d
French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian... it's not really specific. It's also not for everyone. I'd say it's mostly for 20sth in rush and 50sth working men. Everybody else either skip it entirely or have a proper breakfast, but that's just my experience, might not generalize.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 292d
How do people survive without a proper breakfast, by lunchtime 11 I'd be fucking shaking
promitheas@programming.dev · 3 pts · 292d
I usually cant eat breakfast, it just wont go down. Im usually OK with just a big lunch followed by snacks following, though i do sometimes forget to eat lunch and realise late at night that I havent eaten all day
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
same. a coffee and a small biscuit keep me going until lunch better than a large breakfast without coffee
ftbd@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
Depends on when you start work. If I get to work at 8, it's tough to get to lunch at 12 without a breakfast. If I get up an hour later, it's fine
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
not enough hatred
lauha@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 292d
I would like to point out that british are also european and they are known for their extra healthy bacon and eggs breakfast.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
"Continental breakfast" is also a thing. It's mostly baked goods with sweet spreads and maybe a boiled egg, so that's not that much better (though healthier than smoking).
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 292d
always my first thought
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 13 pts · 292d
I've seen european overweight statistics. It's both of these combined.
1984@lemmy.today · -8 pts · 292d
Europe consists of extreamly different countries... Breakfast in Sweden is completely different from breakfast in Italy.
So not sure about what any european stats actually mean... Also tons of immigration from the middle east where people are not slim.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 15 pts · 292d
Europe is fat because of immigrants? LOL
Italy is the thinnest or one of the thinnest (depending on the year and the specific study) countries in Europe and it's still too fat and getting fatter.
1984@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 291d
I asked chat gpt about this since my own experience is definently that immigrants (from middle east) are usually not slim.
Here is a what it said:
Yes — there is credible evidence that immigration has been associated with changes in obesity levels in Europe (and other high-income regions) over the past ~20 years, though causality is complex and effects vary by group. Here is a breakdown of what the research shows, the mechanisms, and important caveats.
✅ What the evidence shows
A systematic review on migrants found: “migrants may arrive in new countries with a health advantage … but unhealthy weight gain in migrant populations may lead to similar or greater obesity risk compared with native populations 10-15 years after migration.”
In Norwegian Institute of Public Health data: children (~8 years) with an immigrant background in Norway had higher prevalence of overweight/obesity than children with no immigrant background.
A meta-analysis found among immigrants/refugees: overweight prevalence ~37%, obesity ~23% across studies.
A study of pre-pregnancy obesity in immigrant vs non-immigrant women in Norway found that obesity increased in both groups over time; immigrant status did not protect against the upward trend.
A study of immigrant adolescents in Spain found that prevalence of overweight + obesity among Latin-American immigrants was higher than that of Eastern-European immigrant adolescents; and higher than the native Spanish adolescents in one sample.
🔍 Mechanisms and contributing factors
Several plausible mechanisms by which immigration could influence obesity trends:
Acculturation / lifestyle change: Migrants from countries with lower obesity prevalence may adopt host-country dietary patterns (often higher in processed food, sugar, fat) and sedentary behaviours over time.
Socio-economic position (SEP): Many immigrant populations face lower SEP, which correlates with higher obesity risk in many high-income countries. However, in the Norwegian children study parental education (a SEP proxy) did not fully explain the higher obesity prevalence among immigrant background children.
Pre-migration exposure + selection: Some migrants come from countries with rising obesity rates; previous exposures may carry risk. The migration “selection” effect (healthier people migrating) may diminish over time.
Time since migration: The evidence suggests obesity risk rises with length of residency in the host country.
Cultural, environmental, built-environment factors: Access to healthy food, physical activity environments, language/cultural barriers in health promotion can affect immigrant populations disproportionately.
⚠️ Important caveats & limitations
The research often focuses on immigrant groups specifically, not purely on the national obesity rate aggregated across all residents. So linking immigration → national obesity rate rise requires caution (there are many confounders).
Longitudinal, causally-attributed studies are fewer. Many are cross-sectional (immigrant vs non-immigrant at one time).
Variation across origin country, host country, generation (first vs second), gender, age-group is large. Immigrants from some regions show higher risk than others.
The effect size attributable to immigration, compared to other drivers (e.g., general diet change, sedentary lifestyle, macro socioeconomic trends) is unclear. For example, the study of France/Spain found that most of the difference in overweight between immigrants and natives was due to “coefficients” (i.e., unobserved factors) rather than observable characteristics.
Data for the 20-year span in some places is limited.
📋 Summary statement
Immigration into European/high-income countries is associated with higher obesity risk in immigrant sub-populations and may contribute to national obesity trends — especially via lifestyle change, socio-economic disadvantage, and acculturation effects. But immigration is one of many interacting factors; it is not the sole or dominant driver of the obesity rise in Europe.
If you like, I can check quantitatively how much of the obesity rise in specific European countries can be statistically attributed to immigration (versus other factors).
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 291d
ChatGPT is a shit source.
1984@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 291d
Not really.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · -9 pts · 292d
I routinely see north Africans in my local Lidl buying half a cart of flour packets.
Your diet being mainly refined carbs is not exactly good for being fit.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 8 pts · 292d
There aren't nearly enough MENA or sub-saharan african immigrants to explain Europe's surging overweight- and obesity-rates. And IDK what kinds of people you are seeing, most MENA people I see here in Germany are thinner than the average German.
1984@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 291d
You and me both. Certain areas and shops feel like middle east over here. :) But the Lemmy audience doesnt like those opinions. Its the truth though.
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 292d
Right. And Alabama and Massachusetts are basically the same place.
It's amazing to me how folks group states together.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 292d
Alabama and Massachusetts are definitely a lot closer culturally than Sweden and Italy
Bruncvik@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 291d
This is also the reason why Metamucil doesn't sell in Europe. Seriously: just looking at the left picture gives me constipation.
(I understand that the pic is a joke, but anyone who has a coffee and a fag after breakfast can attest to their wonderful laxative powers.)
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 291d
C'mon, your version of that is literally fentanyl
circledot@feddit.org · 10 pts · 292d
Berlin breakfast: Kaffee, Kippe, Koks
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 291d
Bochum breakfast: Kaffee, Kippe, Korn
j5906@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
The holy trio
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 292d
You forgot to include the rum on the coffee.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 292d
Can confirm, corretto is the way to go
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
I think you misspelled cremaet
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 292d
In the US we label breakfasts by the grits/no grits line.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
The Mason Dixon line?
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 292d
Maybe, though you don’t really see grits everywhere in Maryland.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 291d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
instant grits?
myotheraccount@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 292d
Nutella is european food
telllos@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 291d
Yes,give us back the Nutella
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 291d
Delicious palm oil
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 292d
tf is your problem with burritos
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Probably get bloated from the beans
I get it.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
If beans get you bloated your fiber and vegetable intake gotta be ABYSMAL. And I’m not talking about Taco Bell beans. Just regular beans you cook at home either canned or boiled.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
okay that's fair but burritos are pretty great. not as good as tacos with a side of chips and salsa, but still pretty great.
if you don't like mexican food i worry our cultural values (mine ranking deliciousness laughably high) don't line up, but we can probably figure it out.
Muffi@programming.dev · 5 pts · 291d
Fuck, that one on the right looks so good, but only missing a croissant.
Sideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 291d
FAKE NEWS! The cigarette packs are now all black.
Otherwise spot on.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 290d
And it should be a pack of gitanes.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 292d
replace the dart with a vape and the espresso with a XL coffee from tims 4 sugar 3 cream and we are cookin with fire boys
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Wow. These comments.
istdaslol@feddit.org · 1 pts · 292d
The Duisburg deluxe
EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 290d
Once I started skipping breakfast, I felt more awake in the morning. Not only that, but I had more time to get ready for work. My real problem is how to consume less calories, not more.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 292d
Pretty sure the right one was also the breakfast of several troops during WW1 and WW2
Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 290d
Drugs are not food, and with the exception for a few countires, drugs are pretty universal. Not eating anything for breakfast can actually be a healthier choice han doing so. But the land of the obese would understand.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 291d
dil@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 291d
I grew up on these in america since my cousins are british, no other beans work, I remember them leaving and my mom tried to buy the right beans, it took months she shouldve just asked, any other beans suck and dont taste the same or work with breakfast food imo, heins beans + sunnyside up eggs + bacon + toast in one bite is peak
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 291d
Branston are good too, all others trash
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 291d
Wdym "Brits and"? I've only ever heard about that being a thing in GB, and I don't think it's all that popular there either
michaelalf@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 291d
'Baked Beans on Toast' is a staple breakfast food in Australia too. It's served in most cafes, usually alongside eggs, bacon, chipolatas, hash brown, and a grilled tomato.
Phineaz@feddit.org · 1 pts · 291d
Baked beans are fucking brilliant, you should broaden your culinary horizon
dil@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 291d
heinz blue can vegetarian beans are, almost like all beans don't tastse the same
macke49@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 292d
In every public space in Europe where can get coffee smoking is strictly EuropeTM is now a public free health dictatorship.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 292d
Wow, sounds like a nightmare 🙄