Walz calls on federal agents to leave state after second deadly shooting

Unfortunately, Democrats have done nothing to build any forces loyal to democracy. They supported racist and violent cops that are loyal to Republicans, and those cops almost certainly won't follow orders to arrest ICE agents. If anything they're just going to collaborate, like they already have despite it technically being illegal. National Guard might be better, maybe, but they're probably just going to help ICE suppress the protestors.

Who would he call upon to enforce the law?

Wonder if it would work to declare a state of emergency and mobilize the MN national guard to safeguard civilians? If they are already deployed can the president deploy them?

Got downvoted for claiming all he and other democrats were going to do was angrily Tweet.

They angrily Tweeted and made phone calls.

How surprising.

Or just hand over your voter rolls https://bsky.app/profile/chrismurphyct.bsky.social/post/3md7idhl3mc23

It is not within the authority of the Governor of the state to use force against federal agents.

These people pushing violence really seem to be happy with just throwing away everything about the country that we're trying to save. These people are in lock step with the MAGA bots on the issue:

• Rules (only when I want them),
• Violence (excusable if the target is right),
• Democracy (They're trying to steal it so lets throw it in the garbage before they can).

Don't confuse a lot of upvotes with a popular opinion, it is trivial to make vote boosting bots on Lemmy.

If you are in the US, these people pushing this violent rhetoric are not on your side and are trying to push us into the same chaos as the MAGA forces.

Using the cold-blooded state jackboots? Where's the force that would side with protestors strongly enough to go up against ICE?

he likely got the same orders that schumer and jefferies got, not to get in the way of ice. behind close doors.

No politician will save us. Only you and your local community working together can.

Here are concrete steps we can take to combat the regime with our last non-violent pathways (the titles below expand if you click them).

:::spoiler Learn First Aid! ⛑️

As we're seeing, deadly violence is being used against us and it will only continue. It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.

Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.

But you'll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.

Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step. :::

:::spoiler Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊

If you haven't already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.

These are groups using direct action to solve each other's problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We've been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.

This isn't only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don't want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice. :::

:::spoiler Join a Union and Prepare for an even longer General Strike! 💪

The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.

The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.

If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).

• 🌍 US/Global: IWW (Français) - (Español)

And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.

• 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
• 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
• 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
• 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
• 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
• 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
• 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
• 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
• 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
• 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
• 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW :::

:::spoiler Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️

Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.

Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.

Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.

Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.

We'll start it off with some General Advice:

• Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
• Be careful about who you meet online
• Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
• Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
• agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don't have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.

For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you'll need to scroll down. I'd add it here, but it won't fit in this comment). :::

I'd also highly recommend anyone reading this to read Full Spectrum Resistance if you can for further info.

We, as US citizens need to protect each other from these Nazis!

This is LITERALLY what the second amendment is for

Don't know you, but if you are American, what are you waiting for?

Shut up. When are you going out there? Problem with my fellow Americans, they always look for a handful of people to do what everyone else won’t. But I guess that’s what representative democracy conditions you to do.

Power to the motherfucking people

It sounds like the federal government can move cases involving federal law enforcement agents performing their duties to federal court.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1442

28 U.S. Code § 1442 - Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted

(a) A civil action or criminal prosecution that is commenced in a State court and that is against or directed to any of the following may be removed by them to the district court of the United States for the district and division embracing the place wherein it is pending:

(1) The United States or any agency thereof or any officer (or any person acting under that officer) of the United States or of any agency thereof, in an official or individual capacity, for or relating to any act under color of such office or on account of any right, title or authority claimed under any Act of Congress for the apprehension or punishment of criminals or the collection of the revenue.

I think --- and I may be wrong --- that in a case in federal court, it'd be up to federal prosecutors to prosecute. I don't know if the Trump administration actually has to prosecute them in that scenario.

Not something that I've read up on before, though. I imagine that there are probably articles out there with various lawyers chiming in.

searches more

https://poracldf.org/blog/supremacy-clause-immunity-for-federal-officers/

In short, subjecting federal officers to state criminal sanctions for carrying out their federally appointed duties could make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for the federal government to function. Even the most dedicated federal servant would be reluctant to do his job conscientiously if he knew it could mean prison time in the state penitentiary. Seth P. Waxman, What Kind of Immunity? Federal Officers, State Criminal Law, and the Supremacy Clause, 112 Yale L.J. 2195, 2230-31 (2003).4

In carving out the contours to the federal immunity defense, the courts have established a two-part requirement, adopting in part the Neagle language: “a state court has no jurisdiction if (1) the federal agent was performing an act which he was authorized to do by the laws of the United States and in (2) performing that authorized act, the federal agency did no more than was necessary and proper for him to do.” Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Long, 837 F.2d 727 (6th Cir. 1988).

Significantly, in analyzing the second “necessary and proper” factor, particularly in the context of an agent acting under exigencies, the courts have applied a broad view of the reasonableness of the conduct, focusing “on the intent of the officer and not the actual legality of his action.” Colorado v. Nord, 377 F. Supp. 2d 945, 951 (D. Col. 2005) (emphasizing “a federal officer is still entitled to immunity when he acts in good faith within the general scope of his duties as he understands them;” id. at 950); Clifton v. Cox, 549 F.2d 722, 728 (9th Cir. 1977) (federal officer seeking immunity need not show that his action “was, in fact, necessary or in retrospect justifiable, only that he reasonably thought it to be”). Just as Neagle involved a murder prosecution, the nature of the state prosecution is not the controlling factor; rather, the only consideration is the intent of the officer in enforcing his federal responsibilities. As Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes emphasized, “even the most unquestionable and most universally applicable of state laws, such as those concerning murder, will not be allowed to control the conduct of a marshal of the United States acting under and in pursuance of the laws of the United States.” Johnson v. Maryland, 254 U.S. 51, 56-57 (1920).

As five Ninth Circuit judges agree, not only is the federal immunity provision construed broadly but great leeway is given to a federal agent, so long as the agent is not acting with an evil intent: “when the federal agent is acting reasonably within the broad contours of official duty, and without malice, the courts have employed the Supremacy Clause to protect the agent from prosecution.” Idaho v. Horiuchi, 253 F.3d 359 (9th Cir.) (en banc), vacated as moot, 266 F.3d 979 (9th Cir. 2001) (Hawkins, dissenting).

looks further

Okay, it sounds --- and this is just from the phrasing in an article that's arguing in favor of state charges for one of the ICE situations --- like state prosecutors can prosecute even in the case that the prosecution is moved to federal court:

https://prospect.org/2026/01/07/ice-agents-can-be-charged-with-murder/

The history of state prosecutions of federal officials goes back to the War of 1812, when some New England states used state statutes to prosecute federal customs officers who seized goods that were under a trade embargo. Often, they are used to resist a federal law that states don’t like, such as the Fugitive Slave Act.

But numerous states have indicted, charged, and arrested federal law enforcement officers for conduct that exceeded their official duties. In 1898, Virginia charged a federal tax collector posse with shooting and killing horses and cattle during a shootout. The federal posse claimed they were ambushed while attempting to collect taxes.

More to the point, in Findley v. Satterfield (1877), Castle v. Lewis (1918), Oregon v. Wood (1920), Smith v. Gilliam (1922), Maryland v. Soper (1926), and many more, states alleged that federal officers committed murder or attempted murder while engaged in law enforcement activity. Almost always, the federal response was that they were performing federal duties, that they acted in self-defense, or both. Often, these cases were removed to federal court, but the state prosecutors maintained the case. (Federal officers have the right to move cases to federal court, but not the unlimited right; they have to assert some plausible federal defense to the charges.)

EDIT: Well, or what they're actually saying is that they're trying to continue the case in state court. I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to dig into this really deeply, because I suspect that there are going to be various legal commentators with a lot more expertise than me talking about this in short order if there are charges filed. But at least I wanted to highlight one issue likely to come up if there are attempts to prosecute in state court.

EDIT2: Yes, state prosecutors do retain control of the prosecution if the case is moved to a federal court. Here's a better source (talking about the Good shooting, but same issue):

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/minnesota-can-prosecute-jonathan-ross-but-it-may-not-be-easy

Finally, whether Supremacy Clause immunity applies will almost certainly be decided by a federal court, even though any criminal charges would first be filed in Minnesota state court. That is because federal officials are able to remove both criminal and civil cases from state court to federal court if those cases involve actions taken “under color of” their federal office. If charged, Ross would almost certainly choose to remove the case. Even in federal court, however, state criminal prosecutors would remain in charge of the prosecution, and any conviction would be a conviction under state law. And the president cannot pardon a state law crime.

He can't arrest them anymore than you can.

If he and the mayor really care, why don't they use city police to enforce the laws ICE and CBP are violating on a daily basis? They may have federal immunity but they are committing state crimes in broad daylight like it's going out of style. Arrest some criminals like you're supposed to. Not an all-out war between police forces, just, you know, regular law enforcement.

He called them to help the police. "With what?" is the obvious question.

I nodded along with this comment, and then got thinking about the nation-state-military caliber funding that ICE was handed recently.

And, after a bit of mental breadth-first search of where that train of thought could have led, I was left with a frown thinking "this could get so much more bloody so quickly."

Aipac really nuetered him during the campaign, since then he hasnt done anything noteworthy.

Yeah, Walz, why aren't you personally removing armed state military from the streets? Walz, why didn't you start a revolution yet, Walz? Too much of a pussy, Walz? I almost stood up from my sofa, that's how I am angry at you, Walz.

What do you expect him to do, walk down there and physically push all of the multiple thousands of them out by himself?

What's with this apologism for feckless liberals? He doesn't have to order the National Guard to open fire on ICE, but he could start with, you know, not sending state police to brutalize protestors at the site of the most recent public execution.

I don't give a fuck if he feels a heavy weight, it's nothing compared to the families of the dead. Dead because of an institution his party funded just as often as the Republicans did. It's time for him to rise to the occasion or (infinitely more likely) time for us to recognize there's no spine in his body and it depends entirely on us - which means he's against us.

Yeah, that's kind of how democracy works. There should be direct and obvious connection between actions that drastic and the will of the people. Starting a war with the government isn't something that a governor should be able to just do with one order.

so far he has not even made words of criticizing or threatening them, its all empty words, super-non confrontational.

Walz is a typical democrat.

He talks a big game and has great bluster.

but when the cards hit the table, he rolls over, shows his belly and shits himself

He should have activated the national guard weeks ago. He should have had them on the streets everywhere that ICE was at, Following them where ever they went, with orders to intervene anytime they stepped out of line.

He should have been ordering every state law enforcement agency to follow ICE, and arrest them every time they abducted a child, every time they assaulted an innocent civilian, anytime they've murdered an innocent person.

but instead of doing anything useful and proactive to protect his state, he keeps going on twitter and begging "pwease mistur pwesident, stahp hwurting my pepulz. pretty pwease?"

I mean he called in the Minnesota National Guard.

That's the American way. Next they will SLAM the government and nothing will happen.

“Today I am calling for the immediate arrest and trial of agents involved in the murders and abuses of state citizens”

We will, at the very least, find out immediately which side the army will fall on.

The second they confront or lock up the 'federal agents' The army will be called in. The administration want tanks on the streets, a show of power.

..or he'll ask nicely, again !

They sent NG, but many didn't expect NG to defend the people.

I also saw a photo of an armed protest in Minneapolis following the shooting by ICE.

Tell him. Ask harder!

so he could stay in minnesota as governor?

if you saw how they voted recently in the HOuse, they arnt even representing thier districts anymore.

That's a good way to get the military to start bombing US cities.

Woulda been so much worse right /s

the Ds in congress are banking on being re-elected if there is enough hate for the gop, thats why they are allowing this to continue, more problems, more likely to get elected.

Posting thru a shitty LCD from an undisclosed Walmart parking lot, shitty 9mm under the seat, no tags on my shitty car. What you're doing here is called "projection". The violence has always been inherent in the system and will come to you eventually. The very least you can do until then is not mock and undermine the people actually experiencing it.

No, you're right. A lot of ragebaiting here without actual knowledge of the US. After some of what I have seen in the last 24 hours I am absolutely certain we are getting brigaded.

If he wants to declare Marshall law he is going to do it regardless of the response. He already mentioned it a few times. That's how he works he says stuff a few times to get people used to it before he does it.

These people need to be afraid to be doing this. It needs to be more dangerous to be an ice agent so no one will do it

we’ll see this ICE occupation ends.

I'm sorry to you and Walz, but this is not good enough. I don't want ICE occupation to end, I want ICE gone, and this panzy-ass "keep the peace" rhetoric does not indicate that he agrees with me.

Jonathan Ross needs to be charged with murder. Now. We need to see the charges, or we can effectively write this country off as spiritually dead.

Getting more democrats in office in November doesn't mean anything if Merrick Garland is not even capable of prosecuting republicans attempting a coup on our government. Minneapolis is being occupied by an enemy state, fucking act like it.

I need Jonathan Ross and whoever this new shooter is to be charged with murder, Walz.

Butch Ware of the Green Party is pretty great.

Lot of real active-activists don't trust PSL. I think they do some good but I don't trust the organization as a whole.

And the DSA... lol