The footage of the fatal shooting of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, said one journalist, “shows that the final act of his life was trying to help a woman who was being physically assaulted by the masked agents who would then kill him.”
In the original video of the shooting of a man in Minneapolis, identified by the Minneapolis Star Tribune at 37-year-old Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a woman in a pink coat was seen in the background filming the incident with her phone.
Drop Site News obtained footage that appeared "to come from the direction of the woman in pink filming from the sidewalk" and showed the shooting at a closer distance than the footage taken from inside Glam Doll Donuts.
In the video, the shooting victim, dressed in a brown coat and pants, is seen filming a federal agent with his phone. He's then seen guiding another person toward the sidewalk as the agent forcefully shoves a third person to the ground.
341 Comments
henfredemars@infosec.pub · 326 pts · 205d
Alex Pretti was murdered.
Say it with me. This was no “shooting.”
And it’s going to keep happening again and again.
Red0ctober@lemmy.world · 199 pts · 205d
Alex Pretti was murdered by ICE
Renee Macklin Good was murdered by ICE
discocactus@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 205d
A lot more than those people...ICE Deaths Memorial https://icefalltracker.com/
errer@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 205d
Since justice is dead, it’s time to get the shooters’ names out there. We all saw with our own eyes what happened.
PointlessProtestAgainstTheMachine@lemmy.org · 48 pts · 205d
Murderers should get murdered.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 205d
It's not murder if a murderer gets killed. That's referred to as an execution specifically and justice more broadly
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
TheN tHe NuMbEr Of KilLeRs WiLl sTaY tHe SaMe.
that if you only kill one ICE golem in terraria. the following ICE golems are freebies
X@piefed.world · 47 pts · 205d
Alex Pretti was murdered by ICE
Renee Macklin Good was murdered by ICE
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 205d
Did you copy/paste the other person..?
Edit: why was this downvoted? It's weird to copy/paste the exact same comment and it seemed like bot behavior to me.
X@piefed.world · 12 pts · 205d
Yes.
PineRune@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 205d
I think Executed would be the correct term. The EXECUTED him while several agents held him down.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org · 2 pts · 202d
I had this discussion about the usage of "murder" vs "execution" a couple of months ago with some guy on lemmy.
To people who are fond of judicial sanctified vengance killings aka capital punishment, the term "execution" has a positive connotation. To you and me, calling this cold blooded murder "execution" enhances the abhorrence. To them, it expresses justification.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 205d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 137 pts · 205d
The very minute I read some synopsis on a news alert on my phone and saw that it was claimed that "he had a gun" I disbelieved that.
Even if he had a gun and he's on the ground and tried to get up? That justifies shooting "roughly 10" times?
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 241 pts · 205d
He did have a gun.
He was being a responsible citizen, exercising his 2nd Amendment rights with a holstered weapon, in compliance with Minnesota law.
Gestapo thugs tackled and beat him, unholstered and removed the firearm from his side, and only then did they unload 9 bullets into him as he laid unarmed and beaten on the street.
But as you'll see, and as anyone who's ever paid attention to the 2A fascist assholes will know, they suddenly become hyper anti-gun the moment its someone they don't like exercising their rights.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 205d
That sure sounds like something the NRA should have an opinion about
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 205d
The NRA exists solely for the profit of firearms manufacturers.
This won't hinder their sales,so the NRA won't care.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 205d
It might even increase them.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 205d
I hope innocent people start arming themselves. It's fucking time for the 2A to kick in
dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 205d
I live in MPLS and I just passed my qualification for a permit to carry yesterday. Never thought I'd be the type of person to learn about and practice firearms but now that the future is so uncertain and tumultuous I figure it's better to be educated and practiced just-in-case.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Good! Education and practice are key! More people need to follow your example!
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 205d
The NRA is an embezzlement scam. They don't care about gun rights OR gun manufacturers
JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 204d
Their sales will actually go up as more people on either side arm themselves. The rich get richer, the machine of death keeps rolling.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 205d
Lol, if that were true, they should be shouting from the rooftops because after this, people will be scrambling to get guns when an occupying private military starts executing civilians on the street.
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social · 20 pts · 205d
The NRA started the anti-gun movement in California alongside Reagan. In response to the Black Panthers carrying while copwatching as they did similar shit to the Black neighborhoods in the 1960s.
The NRA will back it no problem. They have before.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 205d
The NRA protects cops more than they protect guns.
rklm@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 205d
Idk about the NRA, but this is the GOAs response.
While I disagree with their statement about immigration, I gotta at least give them credit for not being totally two-faced.
benderbeerman@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 205d
That statement some real "both sides" energy bullshit. The only ones obliged to behave like professionals here are the ones representing the US government on official duty. The rest are obliged to do exactly what they are doing. Keep watching, keep filming, keep supporting each other, and keep showing the world all of it.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 205d
It would have been great if not for that "The Left is clearly the antagonist here!1111!111" part
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 205d
RejZoR@lemmy.ml · 124 pts · 205d
Kristi Noem lying on TV this very moment about Alex Pretti and painting him as terrorist. And then claims the investigation will be performed. It seems to me they performed investigation 5 seconds after they put like 15 rounds into Alex. This shit needs Nuremberg type trials for entire current USA administration starting with Trump, all his hyenas and all the agents that murdered Alex and Renee. USA is a lawless wild west. They aren't enforcing laws, they are playing Judge Dredd and interpret the laws pretty much randomly the way they feel, usually ending with innocent people dying. And then they continue lying about it. This is fucked.
Hamartia@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 205d
Not to be overly Comic-book-guy but:
Judge Dredd is never portrayed killing someone for his own gratification in 2000AD. He isn't racist, or to my knowledge, even a classist.
Yes, he is a 'judge' in an ultra violent society that devolves execution, due process and investigation to the officer on the beat.
But no one is above the law as far as he concerned not even the judiciary. There probably isn't a president of the US that he wouldn't have arrested for their crimes, and quite a few he'd execute for their crimes against humanity. Trump wouldn't have made it to this millennium.
These ICE thugs are just cowardly fascist scum. Law is just a weapon of suppression to them. For Judge Dredd the law was sacred and the only thing preventing humanity from eating itself in his post apocalyptic future hellscape.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 205d
Him and The Punisher (who law enforcement tend to idolize) are people we shouldn't wish for, but maybe people like them are sometimes required. When the justice system fails, who holds people accountable? If no one, then there's nothing stopping evil people from doing whatever they want.
We don't want state officials working for vigilante justice, but occasionally in history someone does need to.
Hamartia@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
Which goes to show that one of the mightiest weapons against the oligarchs turning the people against each other is the teaching of critical thinking in schools.
That's why this cultural virus attacks teachers and coups education boards. The pay off is these automatons believing that there is a direct mirror between the egoless Dredd having the ultimate power to end a criminal's life within the boundaries of a harsh but ultimately unprejudiced set of laws and their own prejudicial bloodthirsty fascism that constantly corrupts the law to suit their ingroup and individual needs.
RejZoR@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 200d
Maybe I didn't made it clear, they think they are like Judge Dredd. You know, like Trump thinks he's all that shit he used generative Ai to portray himself as Superman or like fighter jet pilot and all that shit. They think they are the cool good guys, they are anything but that.
ChonkyLincoln@lemmy.zip · 90 pts · 204d
ICE murdered that man.
From here we have two paths:
One: Civility is eventually restored to government and these people are tried and convicted for their crimes.
Two: All out civil war.
We will not let ICE, Trump or any of these Nazis complete their agenda.
cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 204d
There's a third option: people don't resist and the regime does whatever it wants.
So far we've chosen that option.
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 204d
The third option is what I expect from years of "American exceptionalism" brainwashing.
llacook@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 204d
I want to believe that the killing of Good and Pretti will be a turning point…but I’m a middle aged American who has developed some cynicism about my fellow countrymen…
Abundance114@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 204d
Glad I could fix that for you.
French75@slrpnk.net · 30 pts · 204d
Respectfully, that's an outcome, not a path to get there.
The MAGA shitheads won't just give up and let themselves be prosecuted. They won't stop appointing judges, they won't stop cheating on elections, they won't stop manipulating media, and they won't stop harassing, intimidating, and killing their opposition until someone makes them.
CptEnder@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 204d
Military coup. The only way a civil war is successful is if the military are on the side of the people. The most important of which would be the USN and USAF Strategic Forces. A prolonged ground war is only won by sea, air, and nuclear forces. More specifically nuclear forces in the hands of said military who will NOT use them on our own land.
It will present a serious challenge with all the Pentagon purges. But the majority of Flag and Line officers are from West Point, Annapolis, and Maxwell. It's unlikely most side with Trump (for now). The real trick will hinge on the NCOs, as the US Military is predominantly a middle-out force, and senior NCOs hold the bulk of our service members' respect. What they decide to do in the majority will dictate the outcome of a civil war. One NG commander already stated publicly he will order his soldiers to protect protesters from ICE agents. There is a small chance.
Ideally the next time President Trump boards Marine 1 he's taken into custody at a military base with a large Delta, Rangers, or NG presence to subdue USSS agents. With a Federal Judge, Vance, Speaker Johnson, and Grassley in tow. Invoke 25 or Martial Law, and go down the line of succession until someone takes the oath. This is highly unlikely though. A full impeachment is more likely, but a lot of people will need to for die before it will happen.
It's either that or The Man in The High Castle. The American Fourth Reich.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 203d
For that you need some power. Effectively in other countries like Ukraine, the economic nobility (i.e billionaires) comes to the rescue. The problem is that it seems that the economic nobility has built a golem they no longer control but are doubling down on controlling it.
In this case you also need some power backing it. Unless you are Cuba or some shithole like the Russian Empire in 1917.
My marvel influenced child, the only way the society pushes back with these cards is internal sabotage.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 68 pts · 204d
Something I was just made aware of: after shooting and killing Alex Pretti, ICE officers then stood back and shot him 5 more times.
lmagitem@lemmy.zip · 64 pts · 205d
I've read that Alex was a veteran. So he probably participated in overseas operations. He survived abroad against whoever he fought for his country, only to be executed in said country, in his own town, by what is probably a frustrated basement dweller without any more accomplishment in his life than insulting kids on CoD and gooning ten times a day.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 37 pts · 205d
Cite that claim. I'm not saying your wrong, but to my knowledge, he was a nurse working at a VA medical facility, rather than a veteran himself.
Edit: Found a brief biography: https://wisconsinwatch.org/2026/01/man-killed-by-border-patrol-officer-in-minneapolis-was-an-icu-nurse-who-grew-up-in-green-bay/
Boy Scouts, choir, high school, college, research scientist, nursing school, avid bike rider, new Audi. No mention of putting in 4+ years on a military career.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 205d
lmagitem@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 205d
Sorry I don't have a reliable source on that, it might be wrong. I just read it on the Minnesota subreddit, someone who was explaining who he was. They said that he served in the air force, and then worked as a nurse for veterans.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 205d
Ok, I think I found the source of that discrepancy. He was a member of "AFGE", the American Federation of Government Employees.
Being unfamiliar with that organization, I initially thought "AFGE" might have been an Air Force organization. I suspect someone else might have made this same initial assumption.
This comment thread is the only indication I've seen that he was associated with the military in any aspect other than his work for the VA.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 205d
Not exactly probably. Remember that around 1/3 of veterans, such as myself a former Navy Nuke Instructor, never went overseas. Also of the ones that do go to another country, 90% are support staff and never see active combat. He would have been one of those, if he ever even left the US, as he would have been a corpsman, (nurse or doctor,).and would have been serving at a hospital.
comfy@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 205d
A bit off-topic, have you heard either of the Wake-ups episodes[1][2] from the Eyes Left podcast? And if so, do they resonate with your experiences in the force?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
I haven't, but I'll give them a listen
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 205d
What's with Americans and their euphemisms when it comes to serving in the military
dellish@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 205d
He probably went to another country and killed people. HOWEVER, if that's true at least there's a decent chance those people were armed and facing him, not pinned to the ground and shot in the back.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 205d
You're almost correct. Almost 90% of US military veterans never saw front line combat. The sheer amount of support roles in the military is completely overlooked by fucking everyone. Including us veterans.
He went to another country. The fact that others are saying he was working as a VA nurse in his home town indicates that he was likely a corpsman, aka a military nurse that wasn't killing anyone, he was working in the modern day version of a M.A.S.H. unit, like Major Margaret Houlihan.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 205d
I don't know how else you'd phrase that. Almost no one in the military fires their rifle in combat. You're trained to, in case it's needed, but you most likely won't do it. The vast majority are support. Even those on the front probably won't shoot anyone.
It's an overseas operation (if even that) because it isn't combat. There's a ton of other work the military does, which usually supports the combat, but isn't participating in it. A lot of that is even humanitarian work, though admittedly the need for a lot of that is caused by the war.
lmagitem@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 205d
I'm not in the US, that's how we say "going to another country to perform military missions" in my country.
And as much as I have a general dislike for the US foreign policy they did good things too. I've read that he worked in the air force so he could have participated in preventing ISIS from killing more innocents and enslaving ethnic minorities by being on missions targeting their weapons depots a few years ago for example.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 205d
Doesn't matter to the MAGAts, they will just disobey the evidence of their eyes, as the party tells them.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 205d
It’s … predictable. The MAGA on my FB feed are all quiet. Not one single peep. They’ll ignore it until they’re given some talking points. Or they’ll just never mention it.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 205d
"I don't read propaganda" was one of the last things my mother said to me before we broke off communication for good. I don't associate with nazis or their supporters. And of course the irony is lost on her, that propaganda is the ONLY thing she consumes.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 205d
I'm sorry you had to lose your mother to this bullshit.
pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 204d
Dayroom7485@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 205d
This will become the next election-fraud-style loyalty test. If you state publicly that you don’t see manslaughter in the video, you’ve proven your loyalty to the great leader.
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 204d
Plenty of the right leaning people I talk to say he was reaching for his gun. I can't see it.
itistime@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 204d
My dad refuses to see or hear any evidence that may break his mental gymnasts back. He actually behaves like a toddler, by screaming and flailing to avoid some bitter medicine. I mean literally squeezing his eyes closed, yelling and flailing his arms when I try to show him what he has done
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 205d
Everyone remember to keep getting more people onto Piefed and Lemmy (Voyager for Lemmy) along with Session, Signal, XMPP, Mastodon, Stoat, Pixelfed, etc etc. The more of us on here the better
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 36 pts · 205d
Yep! Social media is deleting content. Reddit is deleting posts. Tiktok is now under Trump's finger.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 205d
Trying
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 205d
All good we got this. Whatever person we get on is a huge thing to the movement. Also stay well Buller!
Lolidan@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 205d
I joined today, so the exposure(reddit comment in my case) definately helps!
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 205d
Welcome to the movement and Lemmy/Piefed (depending on which you use) Lolidan! Get comfy we in for bumpy ride
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Welcome to the free world brother!
General_Effort@lemmy.world · -40 pts · 205d
Just bear in mind that many Fediverse instances are in Europe and Europe has no free speech culture. EG In Germany, people who upload videos of police are commonly prosecuted for GDPR violations. It violates the fundamental rights of the police officers. When European activists oppose Big Tech in the name of democracy, they want more censorship; more government control.
Darkhoof@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 205d
Oh piss off. We have legislation against hate speech. You know because it led to millions of deaths in our continent. The disgraceful state of your country is a direct consequence of your asinine interpretations about free speech.
General_Effort@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
Kekkels@feddit.org · 17 pts · 205d
Please dont boil it down to this. It is perfectly legal to post videos of police in Germany, you just have to obscure the faces of all people in the video that did not consent to it being publicy available. Furthermore, the spoken word has additonal protections in place. Yes, the european data protection legislation can be difficult to navigate, but bear in mind that it focuses on the personal rights of ALL people, even police. However there is still the possibility to publish material unedited if it has cultural or historical significance. Of couse this would go to court, but hey: At least we have courts to settle those matters transparently. KG Berlin – Az.: 2 ORs 31/23 – 121 Ss 130/23 – Urteil vom 30.11.2023
General_Effort@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 205d
Right. Merely making the recording may already be criminal; not only sharing it. I didn't want to sound too alarmist. But when we're ad it. Pixelating the faces means processing personal data which may already be illegal.
What it boils down to is this: If some lawless government goons arrest anyone recording their deeds and seized their phones, no honest, law-abiding judge or police officer would see a problem with that. Anyone live-streaming, just in case, would be guilty of violating fundamental rights in the eyes of all defenders of European values. The government could rely on the technical and organizational infrastructure to enforce GDPR to suppress inconvenient videos without bending the law.
But no problem. Freedom of information is in the constitution. So you just go to court and insist on your right. Of course, a far right government will have packed the highest courts with its people, and so you lose. Well, everyone has rights. Freedom of information isn't everything. No problem there.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 205d
You pretty much just described what's happened in America, headquarters for "It can't happen here." It can, it did, and it will happen in Europe when someone decides that "fairness" in any law or policy is an excuse to exploit the shit out of it.
General_Effort@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
Europe has a lot less social resistance to this stuff. You can see it here. Watching the watchmen turns out to be one of the best tools for defending democracy. And still the call is for more censorship. It's insane.
Did you pick up, like 2 weeks ago, when Italy fined Cloudflare for not censoring hard enough? Italy is literally ruled by a fascist party. They literally present themselves as being in the tradition of Benito Mussolini. No one bats a fucking eye.
Of course, the censorship is about copyright; protecting the Italian media industry. Maybe people here are too young or unpolitical to remember Italian media billionaire Silvio Berlusconi. In the 1990s, he used his media empire to get himself elected prime minister and escape prosecution for corruption. At one point, he used his office and some lies to get an underage prostitute, he'd been fucking at one of his sex parties, released from police custody. That guy was Italy's longest serving prime minister since WW2. He then was an MEP until 2022.
Italian intellectuals, identified Trump as a Berlusconi-type populist 10 years ago, when Berlusconi was fading out and Trump rising. Maybe something could be learned from that experienced.
So it's not like Europeans believe that “It can’t happen here.” It is happening all the time. I think the pro-censorship people are simply so privileged that they can't conceive of the state ever not being on their side. They seem to feel that being harassed or doxed on the net is the worst that could ever happen to them, personally, and they might be right.
Saryn@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 205d
You clearly have no legal training and know nothing about EU law or the national legal systems of its members, many which go back to ancient Roman law.
Go back to school, JD.
Kekkels@feddit.org · 1 pts · 204d
Red keinen Stuss
Saryn@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 205d
JD, is that you?
Natanael@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 205d
EU have a freedom of expression law and multiple countries also have constitutional freedom of speech, including right to film police
Germany is also rather unique in having laws with opaque interpretations
https://digit.site36.net/2023/01/31/police-violence-in-germany-misuse-of-wiretapping-paragraph/
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
I just hate reading missinformation like this.
At public spaces you can take pictures and video as much as you want. But you cant release personal information or violate or ridicule anybody in the picture. And you cant release anything that contains information that might ruin undercover operation, but in that case police must provide a proof that the undercover mission was ongoing and approved at the time.
Private citizen cant be procuted for GDPR violation. Only reqister keeppers ie. the company who collects the data can violate it. Only exception is if private person is creating a database, meaning they have names, addresses, emails, phone numbers or any other personal information like that connected to the photos and in that case its called illegal database, not GDPR violation.
GDPR is not about censorship, its about persons right for anominity and persons right to know what data has been collected from them (Thats strange, allmost like thats two rights EU citizens have, that USA citizens dont. Sounds like EU citizens have... can i say it... more freedom than people in states).
Im going to try to be nice and think you wrote what you did, because if missinformation you have heard, or poor understanding of the law and not because you try to spread lies on purpose.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 204d
Awfully high horse you are on up there. Why don't you get down to reality that privacy protections in GDPR are just a lip service in a world ran by big tech.
Corporations rule and pretending laws are protecting you while they have control is rather ridiculous.
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
The maximum punishment for GDPR breach is 4% of the companys world wide renevue. I dont know if you understand business but that 4% is shit ton. Its not 4% of gross profit, its from revevue, its 4% of the all the money the that has gone trough the company. So tech bros are taking it seriously. I mean what they are going to do? Start to follow the quidelines or risk losing all the profits they are gettin from worlds second biggest market?
Meta is currently in court for €1,2 billion and so far it does not look like they are getting away from it. Google has also €2,95 billion fine on the table. Lets shelf this conversation and see if they pay up and if they start to follow the law.
What really is ridiculous is bitching about different continents laws while (im guessing you are from states) your own country is spreading its cheecks and asking the big tech to come in.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 204d
Oh please, the entire law creates an undue burden on smaller firms while the larger ones skirt the rules. This continues to benefit big tech (and big business) and until Europe pushes them out completely everything you say is nonsense. If GDPR actually changes how these big companies steal and use data I will gladly eat my hat.
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 204d
Undue burden of what? Keeping their data in order? Ooh the terror?!
By happenstance i was working in one of those smaller businesses when the law first came to be and i was one of the dudes whose job was to make sure we followed the new regulations and it was hardly an ordeal. Now years later the amount of the time i spent monthly doing work with GDPR requests is so negligible, it really did not matter workload wise if the law even was there.
Is it really so hard to imagine things might work differently in somewhere else?
Uh. Hope you like the taste if your hat. The whole marketing indrustry in EU, from online adds to telemarketing has fundamentally changed the way they can and will advertise to, or contact their customers or potential customers.
Data breach notifications have been getting much better. GTPR demands that after finding the breach company has 72 hours time to notify customers effected, if later time there are any proof company has tried to cover databreach they get hit by the fines. By 2025 there had already been over 281 000 data breach notifications. Including notifications from big companies like Google, meta and amazon. Before GDPR those companies had no need to report any of those.
Fortune 500 companies have spended over €7.8 billion to comply with the law. Do you think none of that money has made any changes how they do busines?
But you are right. Its not perfect and big companies keep lobbying against it and there are new hurdles like AI that still needs to be figured out. But saying it has amounted to nothing or trying to belittle its effects is just playing in to the hand of those tech companies.
If it does not work, why would other countries and states like California bother to make their own similiar legistlations?
Doomsider@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 204d
Compliance costs which you admit to. You can't fathom that this legislation benefited big business because you don't understand what is really going on. That is okay.
Believing any policy passed is not favoring big business is willfully ignoring reality at this point. As I stated, until these privacy violating megacorps are removed there is no privacy. The governments are complicit in this information grab as well.
Frankly, this law may have been a good start. So far I am not impressed.
General_Effort@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 204d
Everything you wrote is factually wrong.
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
I think you are confused, poor thing. It was your comment that had the facts wrong.
General_Effort@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 204d
Is this a joke about the EU's desire to curb misinformation? Like, I'm 90% sure that you can't be serious.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 205d
The so-called activists you are exposed to that are backed by powerful interests do indeed try to get more censorship.
They have plenty of real activists I would add just as an aside, the ones fighting chat control and age checks and other such Trojan horses they are trying to bring inside to rat fuck the internet.
It is just we are fighting organized monied groups as disparate peoples, so the organized efforts to id every ip and account in europe with id and likeness and run it all through ai threat detection owned by palantir types to make secret social scores that will secretly determine everything from your job prospects, police attention, loans, to prices charged and even what info search engines show you, that all seems like activist groups because we have at most banded into public interest groups fighting rearguard and woeking disparatly off of guerilla reporters' scoops,while they have a well funded and orchestrated plan using groups like protecct the children with studies they commission and lawmakers they leased and media they are in league with or indeed own.
It is tech behind a lot of it. Even opposing big tech, is oftentimes schemes to surrender to big tech, as is chatcontrol and age checks.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
Derp
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 205d
This is just straight up murder. He shot man in the back a dozen times with no threat to his safety at all, this is AFTER they gang beat him to the ground for no reason. This is unacceptable.
Best video I've seen:
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm2vi0/heres_your_proof_with_the_moment_of_truth_isolated/
ambientdread@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 204d
Trump's Taliban doing summary street executions now.
Thugs checklist:
OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 204d
5 happened before 4
Its a minor detail, but really highlights the heinous nature of what happened here. They disarmed him before executing him.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 204d
Honestly, i think its a pretty major detail. They disarmed him and then shot him 10 times. Its what changes this from murder to execution. The man was not a threat the whole time but after they took his only means of being a threat they then killed him and are claiming he was a threat. They neutered their own defence. If he still had the gun when they shot him they would have an easier time lying about what happened.
tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 203d
The 8 year Border Patrol veteran who shot him seemed to see the gun and unholstered his own, then the moment Alex's gun was taken away he started shooting. It's like he saw the justification and realized he could execute him and waited to be safe, at no point is the main murderer in any danger or engaged directly with Alex, he was watching from above until he started shooting.
ambientdread@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
Yep. Fixed.
cashsky@sh.itjust.works · 42 pts · 205d
They are trying to scare you from exercising your 2nd amendment rights.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 205d
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
This man was gang beaten and murdered in cold blood
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
I don't think they are that smart
heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net · 41 pts · 205d
Everyone should have a gun when dealing with ice
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 205d
Everyone should be heading to DC to strike/protest, but nobody is organizing on that scale yet because they think they can still turn it around with an election
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 205d
By November it'll be too late
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 205d
Everyone should use* a gun when dealing with ice.
JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 36 pts · 205d
He saved that woman's life, but I cannot imagine how she feels right now. I would be sick with survivor's guilt.
Feedback17@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 205d
Republicans are hunting Americans. It's Republicans vs. America.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 205d
It's neoconfederates come to finish the job because the Civil War never fixed the core issue and just let it sulk until America no longer had a shared reality.
Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 205d
This is 100% the root.
plyth@feddit.org · -3 pts · 204d
Why would the neoconfederates also win in the north? I would assume that not everything can be attributed to people from the south.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
Confederate and especially Neoconfederate does not mean "people from the south." Lost causism is everywhere in this country.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 204d
You are basically dismissing a pretty low bar because some other bars that are following suit are not that low. The "People from the South" are not the problem, rather, it is the stranglehold in information warfare that prevents Americans from living in a shared reality that has now been cultivated and ingrained into culture for several generations.
plyth@feddit.org · -1 pts · 204d
So where is the connection to neoconfederates?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Confederates
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 203d
whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
"So WhErE iS tHe CoNnEcTiOn WiTh ThIs GrOuP tRyInG tO eStAbLiSh A sTrAnGlEhOlD In iNfOrMaTiOn wArFaRe tHaT PrEvEnTs aMeRiCaNs fRoM LiViNg iN A ShArEd rEaLiTy tHaT HaS NoW BeEn cUlTiVaTeD AnD InGrAiNeD InTo cUlTuRe fOr sEvErAl gEnErAtIoNs!?!?!? ChEcKmAtE & lInK!"
It has honestly been a waste of time.
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
I believe that there is a stranglehold in information warfare. But without any supporting reasoning I don't understand why the motivation for that warfare should come from Neo-Confederates. I would rather believe that that explanation is a distraction and part of the warfare.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 205d
They are MAGA. The Republican Party is dead, that was just the larval stage, before it morphed into its final form - MAGA. We should only refer to the Republican Party from a historical or scholarly perspective.
They are ALL MAGA now.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 205d
Things I thought I'd never say: I miss the Republicans of the eighties. They were all a mix of absolute cowards, grifters, and idiots, but the new MAGA party that has replaced them manages to consistently be even worse.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 205d
Rose-tinted glasses, I'm afraid. They may claim their hearts may have desired to respect some ideal, but the facts and evidence show that's absolutely not true. Some useful links:
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 205d
BanMe@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 205d
Yep we must resist the urge to revisit even recent neocons like Bush II as "good old days conservatives" because they were absolutely monsters and it makes it seem like Democratic opposition at the time was just silly fearmongering. It was not. We are making real estate deals with the country that did 9/11 and we destabilized two other countries for oil and political points, under the guise of 9/11 retribution. That's like getting coffee with your wife's rapist after burning down some other guy's house in anger over it.
JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 205d
It's the same fucking people. 80 year olds sitting in power right now were in power then, too.
They didn't wake up this way, they've won through incrementalism and can now go mask off.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 205d
The difference was that the 80s Republican politicians still loved America. MAGA politicians are all Sociopathic Oligarchs or their flunkies, and they hate America, and ONLY see it as a fat, rich, lazy target to be ruthlessly exploited in every possible way.
80s Republicans were narcissistic patriots, MAGAs are narcissistic and corrupt traitors, rapists, pedophiles, racists, ignorant, incompetent and CRIMINALS.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 205d
Sorry but that's just not true. The heritage foundation has never loved america and has never produced an american-loving republican, only capitalism and capital-loving republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Doctrine#Origin_and_advocates https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 205d
Probably valid, but they still weren't killing citizens in the streets.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 205d
Umm.. no. People were killed, white people just didn't care because the people dying weren't white and therefore it wasn't on the news. Republicans were killing citizens on the street in the name of fighting drugs and family values by killing black and brown people with hiv, crack and making abortions illegal.
This is well-known history and honestly to forget it is either a deliberate choice at worse or gross negligence at best.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 205d
White people would have cared more, they just didn't know about it because video cameras were so rare back then. That's why the Rodney King case was such a big deal. For the first time, we saw how cops really treated black suspects.
A few years later it was driven home during the OJ trial, when we heard about even more systemic abuses by the LAPD, leading to a jury who simply didn't trust any police testimony due to decades of abuse. White Americans were finally understanding that cops weren't just ignoring blacks, they were systematically targeting them for abuse.
Then smartphones came along and definitively proved it across the entire country.
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
Viola Liuzzo
Killed by the Klan, but the government helped justify it. Did the same kind of shit they are doing to Renee Good.
ICE is just formally state sponsored Klan. The Venn diagram of cops and Klan approaches a circle at certain points of US history.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
Feelings like that are why the Democrats are trying (and failing) to be Republican-lite now.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 204d
I think I don't understand your comment.
Are you suggesting my somewhat sardonic comment that the historically terrible party has managed to become so awful and vile that I "miss" them being just terrible is representative of why Democrats are moving to the right?
That's the only interpretation I can fathom and I fail to see the logic if I'm correct.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 204d
The problem is the grifters pushing fear for political support and cash for several decades. People grew up in that environment no knowing it was all a grift.
The lunatics have now become in charge of the aslyum. All those grifters and old people still in charge, fuck em. They made this bed and still haven't taken responsbiility for it.
Feedback17@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d
100 %, and I would add that every Republican is blissfully celebrating the murders on Minnesota - every MAGA wants you dead if you aren't in agreement with them.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
Some Dems are in favor of ICE, is the government V Americans. it always was the top vs the bottom, just now law enforcement is executing white people, not just minorities.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 35 pts · 205d
They shot him many times so he couldn't testify later against them. 1 shot, then a bunch for the kill.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 205d
public paramilitary execution.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 205d
Do not believe anything posted by doj or their affiliates
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 205d
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Sucks that TousiTV keeps getting his sources from them when he covers USA. We are trying to help Iranian/Persian people and ourselves which is tough
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 205d
I'd never heard about him until I recently found out my Trump supporting dad had been watching him. How is he? Should I be concerned? I know he's said stuff praising Israel, so I suspect he isn't leftist by any means, or anti-authoritarian either. I don't know why he cares about Iran except to weaken an enemy of Israel maybe?
Hopefully I'm wrong about this and it is actually about oppression. I just don't see how someone can square that with supporting what Israel is doing. I'm just worried he's just an even worse far-right media person.
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
Have no clue how he has been in long-term back then found him recently too. In some videos he doesn't really speak well of us. He covers Iran well but definitely very on the farther right side compared to Atheist Republic and Gold Ghamari. His titles in the Live section of his videos about USA alone are bashing left as if they are far left and not accurately verifying things based on titles
The comments by Right leaning people is very telling of what they think of and want to do to Left people here in States. But gotta wonder how many are bots, actual USA citizens, foreigners in general inciting violence, or foreigners pretending to be citizens
Flying_Lynx@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 205d
Looks like they are the ones starting a fight.... and escalated... and murdered. Sigh. A complete set-up to fail. Stay strong over there.
EightBitBlood@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 204d
"What the f*ck did you do?"
NEEDS to be embraced as a slogan with the same passion as "Let's Go Brandon"
It's the perfect Anti-ICE, Anti-Trump, Anti-Capitalist message.
It calls back to the decades of intelligent well educated Americans saying this was an inevitability given the obvious path we've been on.
poddus@discuss.tchncs.de · 32 pts · 205d
We need to see the video he was making, you know, the one to hold the ICE agents accountable, the one they killed him for
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 204d
We never will see that one. The ICEholes will have taken it as "evidence" so they can destroy it.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
If his icloud or google account can be accessed then it is likely the video exists still. I doubt those agents were smart enough to realise this and likely destroyed the phone thinking that would do it.
Can apple or google access your photos and videos?
French75@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 204d
Yes they can and do access your photos and videos. The claim they need this profoundly invasive business practice to scan your media for CSAM to "protect the children."
btsax@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 204d
Yes they can but they'll only do it when they're sucking up to federal law enforcement
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 205d
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 34 pts · 205d
Alternately: after choosing to openly defy her voting base and refusing to budge on Israel, is Kamala happy now?
The DNC wrote a report on why the lost the election and chose not to release it. I wonder why. It's almost like shitting on your base isn't a winning strategy.
And before anyone thinks otherwise, I did not sit out during the election. So take it somewhere else.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 32 pts · 205d
Are the DNC fucks who refused to run a quality candidate or a quality campaign because that would upset their corporate donors happy now?
yamper@piefed.social · 28 pts · 205d
youre right but given the choice between a shit democrat candidate/campaign and this, the answer was incredibly obvious from the beginning and if anyone thought otherwise theyre a dumbass
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 205d
The nation is filled with dumbasses. But also, it was gonna get here eventually anyway. "Being the lesser of two evils" DNC strategy just meant things kept getting worse even with Democrats in charge. Trump put kids in cages but Biden didn't stop it. Obama killed American citizens with airstrikes. Every presidency was an escalation.
yamper@piefed.social · 9 pts · 205d
you chose "fascism definitely today" over "fascism maybe tomorrow"
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 205d
I voted for Harris. How was voting for Harris "fascism definitely today"? You know something about Kamala I don't? I assumed Trump was "fascism definitely today"
yamper@piefed.social · 4 pts · 205d
gotcha, my mistake i made an assumption
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
She should never have been nominated. Any woman is going to have an uphill battle even if they aren’t neoliberal scum, but both Hillary and Kamala were also neoliberal scum, so they never stood a chance.
And every time a neoliberal bastard is placed in office their overt sliminess will swing the pendulum even harder toward the next big-talking, face-eating, would-be monarch that comes along and promises to do something, even if the something is mass murder, mass torture, isolationism, and foreign and domestic terror.
HermitBee@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 205d
A lot of Americans chose "something different" over "more of the current shit that is slowly killing us".
Perhaps if they'd been offered another version of "something different" they wouldn't have chosen Trump. Or maybe they would, because ultimately Trump embodies the real American dream for a lot of people.
yamper@piefed.social · 0 pts · 205d
shame about americans are getting shot in the street because of it i suppose
HermitBee@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 205d
Yeah, but your solution is what - hope that a large number of Americans stop being dumbasses by the next election?
Much better to assume that a certain percentage of the electorate are gullible idiots, and make sure that you play to that audience, because the other side certainly will.
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
Whoa what you mean about the airstrikes never heard of that.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 205d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
"He was assassinated in Yemen in 2011 by a U.S. drone strike ordered by President Barack Obama. Al-Awlaki was the first U.S. citizen to be targeted and assassinated by a U.S. government drone strike."
The information available shows he was probably guilty of some serious crimes but he wasn't killed on the battlefield and under US law, he was innocent until proven guilty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki
"According to the United States government, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki's father, Anwar al-Awlaki, was a leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Anwar al-Awlaki was killed by a CIA drone strike several days before his son's death."
"Human rights groups questioned why Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed by the U.S. in a country with which the United States was not at war. Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, stated "if the government is going to be firing Predator missiles at American citizens, surely the American public has a right to know who's being targeted, and why.""
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 205d
They are happy and openly preparing to do it again.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 205d
It is our fault for not believing hard enough.
If only we did not talk about a new deal the status quo campaign surely would have sold on empty platitudes and zero promises of reform and no friction between them and big biz stealing our lunch.
Voters really want to get fucked by the super rich, as long as more concern is expressed and a few crumbs to the deserving fucked. /s
spacesatan@leminal.space · 11 pts · 205d
Well now I'm taking some solace knowing that libs who wanted to ignore the Palestinian genocide still think leftists are why they lost. Meet our demands next time I guess.
Weird how you still want to blame leftists for having demands like 'stop the genocide' instead of blaming kamala for refusing to agree to such a simple demand. Kind of says a lot about how little Palestinian lives matter in your eyes.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
Those people are lost
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 205d
How little the next others matter. Palestinians are the start not the end, this is being brought home if it is not stopped.
It always had to be stopped, for selfish reasons if you understand the situation, alongside the moral reasons.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 205d
This was only supposed to happen somewhere else!
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
I think they shifted to "Kamala would be doing exactly the same thing" and have now moved to "Trump would have won anyway."
assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
Continue to blame the voters for voting wrong. That’ll work.
3abas@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
Not on us. For you it's "better" to slaughter children than execute Americans, so you voted for genocide. For us, neither are acceptable so we voted for a third option.
It's on you for refusing to not support genocide and insist on voting for a nonviable candidate.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 205d
Because Gaza is so much better off with Kushner in charge of it? https://lemmy.ml/post/42175873
Fuck off.
3abas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
You're so disgusting.
"I voted for genocide. Are you happy that it's still being genocided?"
You fuck off, and get off your high horse. Your comfort as an American is not more important than all the brown people you don't give a shit about being slaughtered.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 205d
There was no option to vote AGAINST genocide
3abas@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 205d
There were, but they majority of the country choose silence and one of two genocide options.
Hell, we could have accepted a democratic candidate, and all you had to do was pressure the party to not put up a candidate that listens to the voters on their most vocal issue, you could have joined the "undecided" movement to let them know you don't accept a republican light candidate...
Instead you shamed us for having a moral compass and screamed at us "do you want Trump instead?" while cheering for Kamala as she thanked Dick Satan Chaney for his service and promised the most lethal military in the world.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 204d
You're damn right I did. Only let me correct one thing you didn't have a moral compass, you had a temper tantrum. You are the reason why Alex Pretti is dead, you are the reason Renee Good's children will grow up without their birth mother, The suffering of Minneapolis is entirely your fault, simply because you shit your britches and cried instead of doing your part to make sure Trump couldn't kill again.
TheDrunkard@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 205d
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 205d
Sooooo is it just Minnesota that’s going to oppose this gestapo shit? Or nah.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 205d
e: This is a picture of the Minnesota protests on 1/23/2025 which was posted in a NY Times article:
Source is here: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/minnesota-businesses-protest-ice.html
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 205d
You couldn't write what this is a picture of?
And maybe provide a source!
howrar@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 205d
Yesterday's anti-ICE protests in Minnesota
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
Sorry, I replied further down but I'll edit it into the post.
Source is here: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/minnesota-businesses-protest-ice.html
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
Nice. 👍
victorz@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
Oh my god, that is dense. Seems like a hazard almost, if someone were to require medical assistance in the middle of that, they would have a hard time scattering people.
Also, at first I thought that was AI generated lol. Is it real? (I'm so annoyed that I have to ask.)
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 205d
That happens a lot at protests, the protestors just step to the side (compressing the crowd a little) to create a lane. Even if it is getting a bit angry, nobody is angry at EMS or the fire department.
It's real, here's the source: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/us/minnesota-businesses-protest-ice.html
victorz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Thanks a lot
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 205d
Should be noted that it was fucking cold. -30C. And people still showed up
victorz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 205d
Good showing! 💪
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 204d
Seattle had some big protests yesterday in solidarity with Minneapolis after Renee Good's killing.
That was already happening before the latest ICE murder.
That said, there should be a whole lot more places taking to the streets than there currently are.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 204d
There should. Trump (thru his Reichsleiter Pam Bondi) is demanding voter rolls from Minnesota only then will ICE be withdrawn. As if the red alarms went already going off - this is all in advance of the midterms later this year. He’s starting in Minnesota and Trump’s Gestapo ICE will target all the swing states. I don’t know how America gets out of this. If people understand and don’t like what’s clearly going on.
cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 205d
People should do this ICE monitoring with swarms of FPV drones. That would really drive them crazy, plus you could stay a safe distance away.
i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 205d
Unless those drones have automatic collision avoidance they're all going to come crashing down out of the sky on top of people.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 205d
RC cars with cameras.
discocactus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
Oh well.
HamFistedVegan@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 205d
How many more people have to be murdered before Congress act?
How many more innocent civilians have to die at the hands of the government before the elected representatives of those people take action?
The USA is descending into an authoritarian state and Congress is letting it happen.
They could end it whenever they want. This on them as well as criminals perpetrating these heinous crimes.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 205d
Congress isn't going to do anything
HamFistedVegan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
I believe it will if enough people protest and show how they really feel about everything, including ICE.
You may disagree though.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 205d
They won't do anything while republicans have the majority.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 205d
How many have to be Luigi'd before the Dems have the majority?
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
Not that many.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 205d
At this point I'm sure they'll send in the national guard to help burn Minneapolis to the ground
wizblizz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 205d
No one is coming to save us.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 205d
I recommend studying the Wilmington Insurrection. It was a time when in response to frustrations with Wilmington being a majority black town with thriving black enterprise, the white minority who lived there gathered arms and killed anyone non-white who showed up to vote, then went through the town rounding up and murdering black people. Resulting in Democrats (this was before the parties switched) winning for the first time. The state wouldn't see a black senator again until nearly a century later.
Wanna know where the federal government was? Because they knew about it.
Woodrow Wilson actually gave instructions for the national guard to step in and HELP THE INSURRECTIONISTS if it started going badly for them.
HamFistedVegan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
Thanks. That was an interesting read! Feels like we're slowly heading back to those sort of times to be honest.
I can imagine Trump using the National Guard as an enforcement tool in the elections but we'll see.
As a side note, when you said Woodrow Wilson did you mean William Mckinley?
I'm not trying to be a dick, just seeing if you made a mistake or you actually did mean Woodrow Wilson and I've missed something!
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 205d
Perhaps I did, really thought it was Woodrow Wilson for some reason, eh they're both colossal racists.
HamFistedVegan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Yeah. It's easily done.
What I wouldn't give for a T.R Roosevelt figure in today's climate, while we're in that era!
Naevermix@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 205d
Ten of them for every one of us, that's all I'm saying.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 205d
87Six@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 204d
Don't you mean 10 of us for 1 of them??
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
I don’t think they’re talking about the comparative sizes of the groups.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 204d
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
?
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 205d
there are more citizens than terrorists. the innocents have the numbers to protect themselves, but it requires coordinationNotJohnSmith@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 204d
You're replying to a person that appreciates that. They are questioning why Op said ten of THEM to everyone one of us which makes no sense.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
It's ridiculous that I have to explain this but they're saying that ten ICE agents should be killed in retaliation for every person they murder.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 204d
Ooo ooo, jesus christ, I'd not even considered that. Thank you so much for the clarifying comment - it's not something that I'd ever rationally think
FluorideMind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
Oh it makes sense. Let me rephrase it. 10 of them for every one of us (in Minecraft)
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 204d
well damn, my brain just autocorrected the sentence lol
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 205d
by this point, if a gunman was heading to ICE agents with finger on their trigger attempting to shoot the ICE golems in terraria. They wouldn't be the bad guys
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 204d
Honest opinion, I don't think they would ever be the bad guys, only a dead or non-existent Nazi is a good Nazi.
But I guess the unfortunate thing is that ICE would group together and an actual civil war starts (in which ICE likely has the upper hand, as it gets funded by the government and Nazis are more likely to have firearms I guess), which is probably exactly what the Trump Administration wants, I don't know it's a pretty bad situation there...
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 204d
Whixh is why the protests need to be focused on the oligarchs in control, rather than their hired goons.
itistime@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 204d
It’s paramount, but our focus isn’t there. Our neighbors are who we see. Our neighbors are attacking us. It’s hard to see the invisible forces pinning neighbors against each other.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
sorry to break it for you. ICE is conducting an ethnic cleansing against Americans. and shootings Americans in the streets. the civil war has already began
discocactus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
They're still just practicing for that. There's time to prepare but not much.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
Time to prepare was month ago.
but you must do what you can now.
Getting armed is stupid, that's just atomising prepper ideology. what's really important is to organize with your community. chances are there are already local groups resisting with community bonds. FIND THEM. Join local mutual aids, local DSA, local action groups.
discocactus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d
Getting armed is not stupid, depending on how it's done. But you're correct that in the absence of the steps you outlined it's prepper nonsense.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
my bad, being organized and armed in useful.
it's scary that in this crisis, there's so much prepper nonsense. organizing will likely keep you safe much more than a gun. and organizing+gun is a good combo.
gun by itself is just bs
cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
No, they would be fucking heros
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 203d
When a guy gets shot in the head, while pinned down to the ground, it is especially important to censor the "fuck".
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 205d
One day they will be right about something but no one will believe them because all they do is lie.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 205d
Yup, at this point I think that a lot of people will just assume that they are lying. This is what happens when you stretch credibility past its breaking point.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 205d
And whitehouse.gov will "meme" it with AI in 3..2...1
tubthumper@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 205d
So make sure to spread the unaltered, original footage far and wide.
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 204d
The beacon of truth : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 204d
Does anybody have a good source on the original full resolution videos from the source where they were posted/first shared?
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 204d
Oficials and the media says he had a gun… we don’t see the gun anywhere in this videos… I am not sure if he was really carrying the gun.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 18 pts · 204d
The gun was holstered on his body. A man in a tan coat and no (visible) body armor removed it and stepped into the street with it. Less than twonseconds after he had removed it, we hear the first shot.
Alex was licensed and lawfully carrying.
AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 204d
In video of the shooting, after Alex is pepper sprayed and falls to his knees, you can see one of the thugs lift his shirt, revealing his holstered firearm to both him and the shooter. Both see it, and the shooter draws his weapon. Tan coat removes Alex's gun from it's holster in full view of the shooter and moves away with it, and then the shooter, knowing that Alex had already been pepper sprayed, physically restrained, and disarmed, murders him by shooting him at close range in the back.
Edit - breakdown of close up video from former military police / DHS Internal Affairs officer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjN73-gn90Q
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 205d
Time to organize
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
not a slogan, Do it. do you have a group that's active? go to protests, set up communication channels? skill/resource libraries? work with local communities and are in contact with other groups in a coalition? go to town hall to bully local government to do it's job? learn rapid response, de-escalation, civil disobedience? regular meetings? getting armed?
I don't mean to sound pedantic or gatekeepy, just list of things that should be under the concept of "organizing".
I don't mean it as a direct attack or accusations, just using your comments as a springboard that "organizing" is genuine work, extremely important work, but work non the less.
I'm in an organized group like that rn. and can vouch that "organizing" is work, am unemployed and have never been more busy in my life. (However obviously, if you have less time/capacity, do what you can)
I don't want the concept of "organizing" to be a vague slogan, but a specific set of action points.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 205d
I can't go outside without permission, sorry. Can online work?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
yes, find a local group, reach out, local DSA might be a good starting point. But see what you have around.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 3 pts · 205d
No sure if it's the same thing but the gray jacket guy (not the one marked with an arrow, the one on his right) has a knife/baton on his belt. At one point he pulls on Alex's arm and the knife/baton falls to the ground behind him. There are other objects on the ground looking like gas cans. I don't see a gun falling to the ground.
I think the guy marked with an arrow fires the first shot. He clearly draws his gun quickly and points/presses it against Alex's back right before you can hear the first shot. The way Alex gets up and turns looks consistent. The I don't see anyone else holding a gun.
I have no idea who fires the next 3 shots. Logically it should be the same guy but you can see him taking couple of steps back holding his gun down. He then gets a proper grip on his gun and fires 5 more shots. The guy next to him fires one shot before that.
So looking at the position of all agents I would say guy with an arrow fires shots 1-4 and 6-10 but all the shots sound different (can be simply some audio encoding/phone microphones issue). From the video it really doesn't look like he fires shots 2-4 but I can't see anyone else in a position to shoot.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 203d
All you warhawks need to calm the fuck down. Read some MLK
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Shoot back!
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 205d
We need socialism
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 205d
That comes after. We need to fight.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 205d
How
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
How socialism or how fight?
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 205d
How fight
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Many ways. Call your elected officials and demand action. Go to protests and document corruption. Organize like minded people in your neighborhood so that everyone looks out for each other.
Then there are more violent ways but I’ll let you look that up yourself.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 204d
I DON'T have a phone, and I CAN'T go outside without permission, sorry. Are there any other NONVIOLENT ways?
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
You have my permission to go outside and tell the first MAGA you see to fuck off.
Iambus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 201d
Welp there's new footage showing him in violent confrontation with ICE days prior. Doesn't mean he deserved to get shot of course but it means he intentionally put himself in that situation which changes up the narrative around the guy.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 205d
Time to study and read socialist theory. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
Anarchist theory as well.
We can both be friends and work together to free us.
Instead of splintering after the revolution, how about we settle it over rock paper scissors?
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 205d
Tankies with state power after the revolution:
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 205d
You guys are so screwed, even here on Lemmy im getting comments removed for inciting violence against ice agents. You guys aren’t even allowed to speak about rising up
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 205d
Resistors need to answer question 2A, learn to build and fly drones, and join an improv group.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
let me try, there is nothing wrong with shooting ICE golems in terraria. it is best to kill those ICE golems on sights to protect you and your loved ones playing terraria. ICE golems will not hesitate in killing your friends and family playing terraria.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 205d
it matters the instance. I know mine won't do that as it's an anarchist-friendly one. I know .world is run by libs
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 205d
I think something changed after This post on fediverse@lemmy.world
A disappointing majority of people in that thread were threatening to leave because of the “disturbing levels of political toxicity”.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
Seriously??
Rhoeri@piefed.world · -7 pts · 205d
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 205d
I hope the DNC is pleased that they put appealing to corporate donors above appealing to voters.
Rhoeri@piefed.world · -6 pts · 205d
I rest my case.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 205d
Sounds like you don't have a case. I voted for Harris. I also put blame where it's due: square on the shoulders of the DNC
Rhoeri@piefed.world · -7 pts · 205d
Then you’re not who I’m talking about, but you knew this already- you just wanted to argue.
Blocked.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 205d
This joker commented in a community devoted to arguing politics and accused someone of arguing
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
But when Rheori does it, they're the good guy. Ignore that they claim innocence when they use insults and claim it's just nuance to call everyone who disagrees with you names.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 205d
Rhoeri, Kamala Harris lost because she fucking sucks.
Do you have another warrior in mind? Snake in the grass Gavin Newsom, perhaps? Maybe traitorous Mitch McConnell would like to take a run at the presidency? Or maybe dickless, do nothing and let ICE murder his citizens Tim Walz would like to give it another try? Oh, I know, maybe colossal loser who left on vacation after fucking everything up for us Kamala Harris is going to return for round two.
Tell me who it's supposed to be. I got my pen ready, mother fucker. Who's name do I tick? Which paragon of pretending to give a shit do I sign my name next to? I mean it, give me a name. Right now.
Rhoeri@piefed.world · -1 pts · 205d
You vote AGAINST fascism! I do know why this so hard for you people to understand!
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 201d
Then why are you encouraging people to vote for the "tepidly ok with fascism" crowd?
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 204d
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 205d
"the reason people sometimes act madder at democrats than republicans when republicans do impossibly evil shit is the same reason why, if you hired an exterminator to handle a roach infestation and he showed up to feed and play with them instead, your first instinct wouldn’t be to yell at the roaches" @tvsadam.bsky.social
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 205d
"I expect evil people to do evil things
I also expect people selling themselves as a bulwark against those evil people to fight tooth and nail against the evil things evil people do
only one of these groups is currently performing according to expectations"
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 205d
"if I hire an exterminator to handle a roach infestation and he instead presents me with a list of reasons he is incapable of doing so while asking for more money so that he can maybe handle it later, I am not angrier at the roaches, I am in the market for a better exterminator"
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 205d
"it certainly does not mean I secretly like the roaches and want them to carry on infesting my house
if I were happy with the roaches infesting my house I wouldn’t be mad at my shitty exterminator"
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 205d
Sure, but if I don't do this and and I know the result of this is someone infesting my house with rats, I'll probably just pay the guy. I'd rather have the same problems than for things to be made even worse.
Rhoeri@piefed.world · -2 pts · 205d
Entirely missing the point, but you do you!
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 205d
Are you assuming that the other commenter sat out during the election?
I did not sit out, but I will still call them the fuck out whenever it comes up.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 205d
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 205d
It's a shame you're being downvoted, because you're aboslutely right. Anyone who refused to vote for Kamala because she wasn't passing their purity tests has Pretti and Good's blood on their hands.
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
No it's because they're acting like an asshole and wondering why everyone hates them.
Rhoeri@piefed.world · -1 pts · 205d
Yeah. Now all the kids got it removed. Lemmy is such a fucking joke. There’s little else here besides a bunch of entitled childish idealists.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 205d
I think most of the protest non-voters are young college students. Young people tend to have trouble with accountability
Darkness343@lemmy.world · -31 pts · 205d
People forget that the earth is a world of chaos where the biggest free for all in all of our universe, that we know of, exists.
The fact that humans tried to impose a fake order in that chaos is just an anomaly.
Embrace chaos.
Feedback17@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 205d
You are ignorant despite how smart you think you are. You are only alive because of the lack of chaos displayed by your cells and tissues . Get a spine and fight for what you believe in.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Come back down to earth, friend.
Darkness343@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
I live in mars with the other rich people
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
I really hope you're high as fuck right now.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
ok. good quote in itself, but what the fuck do you mean in this context?
Darkness343@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 204d
Hell if I know. I just write shit for up or down votes xd
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
Thanks for letting everyone know that they should block your stupid ass
Darkness343@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
Meow.
My American ass
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 205d
Ooohhh! Teen angst making a comeback. How serious. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the one guy in the universe who knows absolutely everything just showed us a beacon of truth that we can all one day hope to understand. God like, I tell 'ya! God like!