Of course it does. I grew up in the UK and it's fun taking jabs but then you have a bunch of people who just keep doubling down as if they're God's gift to the kitchen.
My favourite take of theirs is always what they exclude from English food but they'll talk about American food and include everybody else's cuisine ...
In fairness, a lot of people will only experience or know what's brought out as quintessential English for at holidays or other special occasions, which isn't always the best thing there is to offer from the cuisine. It's something else entirely if you actually go there for a couple of weeks and pay attention to all the delicious stuff you'll eat while there.
Plus, you get plenty of weirdos from every country who seem to have Stockholm syndrome with the most bland/boring aspects of their cuisine and will wholeheartedly recommend their absolute most terrible dish as the pinnacle of their country's cuisine. I have a coworker from Ireland who won't touch a spice bag if his life depended on it, but will tell anyone who listens how wonderful beans on buttered brown bread is and that it should be more common everywhere.
lol I actually quite like Irish food. Went to a random pub in Galway and had some stew and it was so good! Irish beef is awesome.
I have friends kinda like what you described though. No spices and they love bland food, lol.
I'm okay with people taking jabs at British food to be honest. Like, my first year back when I was an adult I didn't know what to eat and I actually cooked more because I didn't know what to get. It wasn't until I made some friends that I knew places to check.
What I don't understand is how they can be on an island, surrounded by some of the best fish in the world (including the fantastic Scottish salmon) and the only piece of fish you can find in the whole country is freaking cod with four layers of batter applied to it and fried until the only flavor you can perceive is that of mediocre burnt oil.
They make good meat dishes (roasts, meat pies), but then they pair them with the most uninspiring sides... The UK cuisine has a few good things, and they have good ingredients, but more often than not they cook them in boring ways and stop there, calling it "good enough"
I once read that a group of Rotterdam Housewives wrote a collective letter to their fishermen husbands, that they would abide no more then 2 days of salmon dinner a week. Maybe having an abundance of it makes it unbearable after decades. I mean, complaining about salmon dinner seams crazy to me, so who knows what you can get fed up with :)
Fish used to be poor people's food. It was plentiful around the sea, but it kept for just a few hours without modern refrigeration, so you couldn't really transport it to the main city market and sell it. It didn't give you much food security or much money, and it wasn't as luxurious as meat, which was the food of choice for the higher classes.
The only fish that was eaten by the higher classes were the ones that could be preserved by salting, drying or smoking, and they were eaten mainly during lent, as a "lean" alternative to meat. It was mostly viewed as a sacrifice. During the late Middle Ages and early modern era, the herring trade started to really flourish, with Holland being a major exporter of herrings, while the Nordic countries like Norway and Sweden exported lots of salted cod and Stockfish (dried cod).
So I'm sure it was at a moment where eating fish was seen as a humiliation, rather than a treat, like it is today. In North America lobster was considered as very poor food, cockroaches of the ocean, fed to those who couldn't afford anything else or to prisoners. Sometimes they were even used as fertilizer for the fields.
In the very early days of the colonial Americas, indentured servants along the eastern seaboard would sometimes go on strike to protest all the lobster they were fed because it was abundant and very cheap.
So yes, people get tired of the same old, same old foods every day.
They make good meat dishes (roasts, meat pies), but then they pair them with the most uninspiring sides…
I mean... British were always shafted by their nobility. The land wasn't known for fruits or sweet veggies, the rent in UK paid to the landlord was relatively high, so most peasants ate pickles, chutneys or different mushed veggies as sides.
Yes. Historically British Isles had meh climate for fruit production. You could either forage for berries, but fruits were mostly seasonal apples or pears or plums, but the harvest seasons were rather short.
That’s pretty sad and true about the fish situation. Even fish and chip shops mostly just do cod and haddock, and I’ve only rarely seen one offer a wide variety of fish that would help avoid overfishing.
We also have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to seafood, but most people don’t even touch it apart from the occasional prawn. The day after Brexit came into effect there were tables of cockles and muscles, clams, scallops etc just sitting going off because they couldn’t get them to France.
Yeah, you all definitely have... 8 or maybe 9 edible things that aren't beer or curry.
All the same, I'd rather have a full English breakfast than 90% of French food and 98% of German food. Kidneys in cream, or raw pork crackers, or bread and cheese like they invented it or whatever.
Very ignorant take because everything a full English offers is also very German. This includes the pig blood which isn't french but you probably didn't think of that anyway.
Branding and beans for breakfast. That's why the English get the win here, which is also occasionally called a full Irish breakfast if there's no Brits looking. Plus, the English hardly have any indigenous culinary variety or spices. Why else colonize with such a passion?
And I'm actually very much ok with black pudding, that's not the issue. I don't like northern French cuisine because it's just "how much butter and cream can we pump into this snail or these poor mushrooms or a potato that was fine all on its own? Can we drown this perfectly mediocre cut of beef in cream and butter to make it seem fancy?" I'm far more partial to living below the butter/olive oil border. Southern France on the sea is tolerable, they're also below the border.
Snails are not a northern France thing though (unless you have a loose definition of north). It's mostly central, with a huge correlation with tourist hotspots
Well, my objection is to the way they're prepared in France, not the snails.
I've had snails in Morocco and giant forest snails in Ghana. The big ones are delicious if they're wild caught. If they're farmed, they taste like the rotten lettuce they get fed.
That’s what I thought until I started working at a German bakery. Now I’m converted (as someone who isn’t from here and grew up with fresh home baked sourdough every day). You should try more of it.
Germans have roughly one kind of bread that they're very good at.
Germany has tons of Turkish immigrants, but Germans won't buy pita bread unless they're getting a doner. They share a massive border with France but mostly ignore delicious French breads like croissants, baguettes, etc. They're right near Italy but you won't find much focaccia. Forget about naan, bagels, bao, corn bread, crumpets, injera, etc.
idk man. I went to the UK to sample some of the cuisine thinking it can't be that bad and I have mixed feeling afterwards. Like the food is edible at least.
indian the same as pizza is italian. invented elsewhere by emigres to another country who then had family bring back the crazy new fusion food for the people of the homeland to go "oh that's good."
what am i thinking of then that's an itallian-american dish that got popular back in italy. i was thinking the phenomenon was called pizzafication but maybe it's… lasagnafication?
I'm not much of a fan of many traditional British dishes, and there are some things many British people seem to enjoy make me wonder about their taste buds. OTOH, Britain once had a worldwide empire, and it brought back a lot of dishes from that empire to the mainland. Indian curries are the obvious example, but there's also Caribbean food, Chinese food, even other curries from South-East Asia.
Food is like music. You can have very strong tastes for a particular genre. But I reckon real lovers will always find something to love wherever they go.
Like, I love scones, and carrot cakes and I fondly remember a simple ham and potatoes I had one Christmas in Ireland. And fantastic fish. That smoked salmon filet with herbs and spices from M&S is still in my mind all those years later.
There is always something to love, if you give it a fair go.
Pasta has been around in Italy since at least the Roman era. The story that they didn't know about pasta until Marco Polo returned from China is just not true. He might have brought back some specific new recipes, but Italians have been enjoying pasta since before the three kingdoms began their romance.
It's a reference to Alberto Grandi and his theses about the origins of many popular Italian dishes that are perceived as "traditional" but did not become mainstream until after WWII (and that Italian cuisine before that was much more regional and less homogeneous).
I think there's something to those arguments, but it is worth noting that he's not really a "food historian" as he's often described but a professor of economics and management.
Yeah, all they did was form the basis for modern pasta, and cultivate the seasonings used by modern Italians. I'm sure that counts for absolutely nothing. /s
Definitely - foods like British / Scottish / Irish / Ulster fry, pork pies, bangers & mash, fish & chips, Sunday roast (carved meat, roast potatoes, yorkshire puds), shepherd's pie, beef wellington to name a few. Plenty of deserts too. And ingredients like worcester sauce, English mustard, marmite etc.
A Sunday roast / carvery is basically what Americans get when they order prime rib. The cut of meat is slightly different due to different classifications but for all intents and purposes it's a Sunday rib roast. For some bizarre reason in the US it's regarded as fine dining with a price 4x as much as it would be for a better Sunday roast meal / carvery in a British pub. Over two decades ago I went to dine in a Lawry's Prime Rib in Chicago - big mistake - massively overpriced for what it was.
Out of the food you mentioned only Beef Wellington and English Breakfast/Ulster Fry/ are uniquely British.
Everything else is either not a dish (fried sausage and potatoes definitely is not a dish you philistine :P) or not distinct enough.
Pork pies, fish and chips, roast, shepherds pie - it is eaten in Britain, but is not unique to them, as was historically eaten across the whole Europe (I mean it is fish and chips, it didn't need "inventing").
I think we need these smaller distinctions to have a meaningful conversation about food. If not, French crepes would be too similar to Norwegian pancakes, pizza and quiche could be the same if you ignore the yeast and tomato sauce, and if you really want to stretch it you could group Japanese ramen and Polish pasta soup together.
In some ways I want to agree with you, for good ideas usually pop up multiple times and places, but I am too fond of traveling and tasting different food traditions to give in.
Yes all those other things are distinctly British. Britain didn't function in a vacuum and I'm sure there are influences to everything. But if you eat a British pork pie you absolutely know what it is. Same for fish and chips. Same for all those things.
Since we're comparing to Italy where do you think tomatoes came from? Do you think pasta wasn't independently invented in many places? Do you think olive oil, or bread, ragus, salted pork etc weren't also done elsewhere?
And if you were to say, for example, that pasta with tomato sauce is an Italian dish, I'd argue it's not, as pasta was eaten across the whole Europe, and likely first added tomato happened in Britain.
Bolognese sauce with pasta on the other hand would definitely be Italian dish. Do you see the distinction?
Fish and Chips is Jewish food, and became popular in Britain in the Victorian era with the coincidence of a large
wave of Dutch Jews arriving in the country and the development of a rail network sufficient to deliver fresh fish anywhere in the country.
That's what the Portuguese and the Dutch did. By the time the British finally defeated the Dutch in... like... the seventh war, the spice trade was no longer the most profitable. It was then the Atlantic Triangle... or whatever it was called.
I can! I come from that area and it's a real dish that is eaten commonly and served in pubs and restaurants. If you go to a local market, you can get then to take away with scoops of mushy peas in the container too.
I don't eat meat, so I can't speak to the taste, but mushy peas themselves are delicious and shouldn't taste anything like garden peas. They are more like a dal.
Huh; I've gotten so used to all the non–slur-related uses of "removed" that Brit.s employ that I didn't even consider that was the source of the confusion.
I was just like, "Of course; like in that one commercial."
Favourite? Hmm, maybe?
We have many delicious local dishes, which maybe other regions don't know about. Whereas couscous is more widely spread because Maghreb immigrants are everywhere.
While I've never had the privilege of doing so in-country, it seems straightforward to make and would absolutely pair with Japanese beer*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsudon
* - Also something the Japanese refined from the Germans.
Eh what? Not the same kind of sausages I think. Spain and Italy have the dry meat type and Germany has the uncooked type.
Very different culinary experiences.
I tend to agree with you though.
More popular than bratwurst? I guess maybe that could be true somewhere, but I've never heard of that VW sausage before, and I've had bratwurst many, many times outside of Germany.
I'm just kidding. Everyone who took German instead of Russian in school knows about bratwurst at least. But very few places around me serve it. VW Currywurst is more famous among car guys, but it's because of the meme status rather than how good it is or isn't.
However grilled sausage is super popular here and it's not too different from bratwurst I guess. We're very fond of grilling here, personally I usually spend all 3 days of summer on grilling and alcohol.
But seriously i had a roast at an English friends house, have you guys ever heard of slow cooking? Braising? Grilling? Marinating?
Just throwing a roast in boiling water or in the oven for an hour isnt gonna cut it
No, we don't. Op is talking out of his arse. Or he's the last surviving member of a platoon that landed at Normandy, talking of his experience of wartime rations.
Thigh of a pig is stuck on a low boil for ages, lid on pot. Maybe bayleaf, black papper, rosemary, thyme, salt etc... but very much lightly seasoned compared to italian food.
The ham comes out with a soft texture, cut it into slices and serve with potatoes, butter, green veg, english mustard, relish, pickle etc... It's less flavourful than a porkchop but:
You are serving it with powerful flavours anyway
The ham flavour is now all in the water, adding split peas and herbs makes a large quantity of excellent soup which you can heat and eat at your convienence. Finish friday with ham and lunch thoughout the weekend is set.
There is usually ham left over, and this will be cooked again into something like a ommlette, pie or stirfry.
we would not call it a "roast" though, that's reserved for roasts.
Not sure but my ex used to serve salt beef boiled with carrots potatoes and cabbage all boiled in one pot. It was fine but also very plain and not very flavourful
Well the cuts of meat that are often used for making an oven roast, can also be called roasts sometimes I guess. You can go to the store and buy a product called "oven roast" and... boil it instead of roasting it. I just don't know why one would do that.
Why do americans refuse to recognise the genetic distinctiveness of true thoughoughbred Europeans. I can assure you those guys from the next village over are indeed monsterous fishmen, and our Earl Jeremy Flaxwheet the sixth was right to kidnap and employ all their hideous children in his mills.
English baked beans are trash. Barbecue Baked beans heated up out in a smoker with a bit of shredded pork or brisket in it are fantastic, and if you disagree with that, you and your bean mash can go burn in hell ;-p
I'd say the seasoning is different enough to call it a distinct thing, though the cooking method is identical. Like New York vs Chicago tavern style pizza.
I mean even scrambled eggs is too much for any Italian hotel or breakfast restaurant I've been to. Like literally as if they made it mediocre on purpose.
Nope. Biscuits and gravy is the very best breakfast. A pair of fresh handmade biscuits hot out of the oven and smothered in a white gravy with bits of spicy pork sausages and loads of black pepper for bite. A meal fit to fight whatever the day throws at you. Although fried chicken and waffles is a fine substitute. And smoked ribs, brisket, or pork butt cooked low and slow and infused with hours of hardwood smoke might be perfection itself. If you have the desire, your patience will be rewarded with meats that are unrivaled in this world.
But, like everything else in this world, cuisines are built upon whatever scraps of food that were handy and flavored with whatever seasonings that could be bought or scrounged. Local cuisines died when the first trader brought home something new to eat. It's all just a mish-mash of ideas and methods now. And good food is as easy to find as bad food is.
That gravy is gross but you do you. They actually sound similar at a high level. Fry your sausage and then cook the potato scones in the sausage grease.
Whenever I see some recipe with tomato or potato and people in the comments are trying to convince everyone it's a dish from their country I can't help but be a bit amused. It's often Indians unsurprisingly, and I say that because 1/8th of the world's population and most spices are from India.
And on the flipside, it's almost impressive how England has stuck with their guns culinary-wise. I mean, just play a round of Scrandle for those mushy peas.
British food is actually top tier. The big difference with something like Italian food for example is Italian is quicker and easier to make, so your average person can put together a pasta dish pretty quickly as a weekday evening meal. Whereas youre not going to come home and quickly make a roast dinner or a beef wellington or a proper steak and ale pie, so instead you'll just bang some fish fingers and chips in the oven and 20 minutes later have some perfectly good scran for while you watch EastEnders.
As a British person myself, I completely disagree that our food is anything you would call top tier.
We have some nice food (as you mentioned) but it's the exception, rather than the rule.
As a child I was forced to eat a lot of Sunday roasts at the grandparents that were bland and anemic and mushy, with veg boiled within an inch of its life, and where the meat was the only good part. I don't think my experience was atypical.
British food these days is getting better all the time, but mostly because modern British food is a cultural fusion of tastes and techniques from everywhere in the world, and thanks to the Internet people are actually learning how to cook. Good roasts these days have sweetly caramelised oven-roast veg with olive oil and herbs and seasonings, and are a million miles from the mush I was served as a child.
But has British food historically been good? No, it has not.
As a child I was forced to eat a lot of Sunday roasts at the grandparents that were bland and anemic and mushy, with veg boiled within an inch of its life, and where the meat was the only good part
And I used to date an Indian lass who was the worst cook I've ever met in my life, the food she made was truly disgusting. But that doesn't mean all Indian food is bad.
I know self-flagelation is a time honoured tradition of ours, but the whole "Britain bad" circlejerk is just getting annoying now.
I'm not being self-deprecating for the sake of it - I'm speaking what I feel from personal experience. And on the basis of that experience I would rank the average state of British food well below the average state of food in a pretty wide spread of other places.
And that's what I'm basing it on - averages, not exceptions.
Oh no! No it is not!
If you want a real Bolognese sauce, know it needs to simmer for a looooong time, and if you've never had this, you never had a real Bolognese sauce! Nothing you will find pre-made in a jar will ever match the fresh one!
It's just like pizzas: fresh made are incomparable to frozen ones.
Italian food was made "quick-and-convenient" by the food industry because it is top-tier, not because it was initially quick and convenient.
And industry italian-style food is of a much lower standard than genuine italian cuisine.
Eh, I will sometimes make a big batch of sauce and then either keep in the fridge a few days or freeze it. But that's besides the point. I can still make a pasta Bolognese in about an hour if I'm trying to make a quick but tasty weekday meal, since you don't actually HAVE to simmer it for hours.
Like to take a beef wellington for example, you can't really cut corners on it and make one on Wednesday night after work. Even if you were to buy a pre made one, you would still have to roast it for ages.
And even then a lot of Italian cooking is legitimately quick, even doing it "properly" a carbonara for example is super quick and easy to make from scratch, if you just buy the bread instead of making it Bruschetta is super easy, or if I'm feeling super lazy I will sometimes make a frittata with leftovers, that takes like 15 mins to make. In the other hand no one quickly throws together a chicken and leek pie, or make a pasty from scratch, or even something as relatively simple as a roast. The only British food I ever really make for easy meals is a stew because you can make it in a slow cooker, but stew isn't even a uniquely British dish.
Like to take a beef wellington for example, you can't really cut corners on it and make one on Wednesday night after work. Even if you were to buy a pre made one, you would still have to roast it for ages.
That's why Brits historically just had the help cook it for them
This affirms my hypothesis that the problem with British food is that they still have their nobility. France is the textbook example of the process - after they guillotined their nobles the good chefs that once served the elite had to offer their services to the general populace. But Britain? Only the nobles (or otherwise wealthy people) can have their servants at home prepare "a roast dinner or a beef wellington or a proper steak and ale pie", while the comments have to settle for "some fish fingers and chips in the oven".
Australia has wonderful cuisine. I'm not Australian born but now love here. People take food very seriously and there is great Japanese, Thai, Chinese Greek, Italian French cuisine here. Mexican, not so much. Other countries, depends on the area.
Modern Australian cuisine (known as mod Aus here) takes a fusion of one or more of these combined with some local ingredients.
Australians in general take cooking and food quite seriously. It's a foodie paradise.
Well, why not look at the best food that wins awards. We don't have Michelin stars here, but a local system of chefs hatted restaurant. Here is a list for New South Wales, where I live. These will generally be more expensive but should show the best of what's on offer without doxxing me, lol.
Well, turns out that for the past few hundred years men cooks were only the talented ones or those that had interest, while for women it was not a choice.
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nialv7@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 216d
jokes aside, i'd say british cuisine is definitely taking more flak than what it deserves.
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 76 pts · 216d
A lot of you still cooking like the Germans are still flying over your heads NGL
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 216d
We still are, but now it's Lufthansa, not Luftwaffe. Big difference.
kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 216d
A-tier joke lmao
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 216d
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 6 pts · 216d
Well de are, but instead that the English read the dropped recipe books they use it as toiletpapers!
lobut@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 216d
Of course it does. I grew up in the UK and it's fun taking jabs but then you have a bunch of people who just keep doubling down as if they're God's gift to the kitchen.
My favourite take of theirs is always what they exclude from English food but they'll talk about American food and include everybody else's cuisine ...
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · 15 pts · 216d
In fairness, a lot of people will only experience or know what's brought out as quintessential English for at holidays or other special occasions, which isn't always the best thing there is to offer from the cuisine. It's something else entirely if you actually go there for a couple of weeks and pay attention to all the delicious stuff you'll eat while there.
Plus, you get plenty of weirdos from every country who seem to have Stockholm syndrome with the most bland/boring aspects of their cuisine and will wholeheartedly recommend their absolute most terrible dish as the pinnacle of their country's cuisine. I have a coworker from Ireland who won't touch a spice bag if his life depended on it, but will tell anyone who listens how wonderful beans on buttered brown bread is and that it should be more common everywhere.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 216d
lol I actually quite like Irish food. Went to a random pub in Galway and had some stew and it was so good! Irish beef is awesome.
I have friends kinda like what you described though. No spices and they love bland food, lol.
I'm okay with people taking jabs at British food to be honest. Like, my first year back when I was an adult I didn't know what to eat and I actually cooked more because I didn't know what to get. It wasn't until I made some friends that I knew places to check.
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
What's crazy is all the trash they talk about American food, and somehow managed to completely forget that Louisiana is in America....
Cyclist@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 216d
It may not be as nuanced, but it's pretty damn good.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 216d
Yeah their curry is awesome.
Waitasecond...
Rinox@feddit.it · 11 pts · 216d
Maybe...
What I don't understand is how they can be on an island, surrounded by some of the best fish in the world (including the fantastic Scottish salmon) and the only piece of fish you can find in the whole country is freaking cod with four layers of batter applied to it and fried until the only flavor you can perceive is that of mediocre burnt oil.
They make good meat dishes (roasts, meat pies), but then they pair them with the most uninspiring sides... The UK cuisine has a few good things, and they have good ingredients, but more often than not they cook them in boring ways and stop there, calling it "good enough"
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 216d
I once read that a group of Rotterdam Housewives wrote a collective letter to their fishermen husbands, that they would abide no more then 2 days of salmon dinner a week. Maybe having an abundance of it makes it unbearable after decades. I mean, complaining about salmon dinner seams crazy to me, so who knows what you can get fed up with :)
Rinox@feddit.it · 2 pts · 215d
Fish used to be poor people's food. It was plentiful around the sea, but it kept for just a few hours without modern refrigeration, so you couldn't really transport it to the main city market and sell it. It didn't give you much food security or much money, and it wasn't as luxurious as meat, which was the food of choice for the higher classes.
The only fish that was eaten by the higher classes were the ones that could be preserved by salting, drying or smoking, and they were eaten mainly during lent, as a "lean" alternative to meat. It was mostly viewed as a sacrifice. During the late Middle Ages and early modern era, the herring trade started to really flourish, with Holland being a major exporter of herrings, while the Nordic countries like Norway and Sweden exported lots of salted cod and Stockfish (dried cod).
So I'm sure it was at a moment where eating fish was seen as a humiliation, rather than a treat, like it is today. In North America lobster was considered as very poor food, cockroaches of the ocean, fed to those who couldn't afford anything else or to prisoners. Sometimes they were even used as fertilizer for the fields.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
In the very early days of the colonial Americas, indentured servants along the eastern seaboard would sometimes go on strike to protest all the lobster they were fed because it was abundant and very cheap.
So yes, people get tired of the same old, same old foods every day.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
Tbh, british food is mostly just salt-deficient. Add salt to it and a lot of it tastes really good.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 215d
I mean... British were always shafted by their nobility. The land wasn't known for fruits or sweet veggies, the rent in UK paid to the landlord was relatively high, so most peasants ate pickles, chutneys or different mushed veggies as sides.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 215d
Not known for fruits? Strawberries, gooseberries, blackberries, apples…
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 215d
Yes. Historically British Isles had meh climate for fruit production. You could either forage for berries, but fruits were mostly seasonal apples or pears or plums, but the harvest seasons were rather short.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 215d
And you did utilize the fruits you had, but there never was an abundance of them like for example in medieval Italy.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 215d
That’s pretty sad and true about the fish situation. Even fish and chip shops mostly just do cod and haddock, and I’ve only rarely seen one offer a wide variety of fish that would help avoid overfishing.
We also have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to seafood, but most people don’t even touch it apart from the occasional prawn. The day after Brexit came into effect there were tables of cockles and muscles, clams, scallops etc just sitting going off because they couldn’t get them to France.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 216d
Yeah, you all definitely have... 8 or maybe 9 edible things that aren't beer or curry.
All the same, I'd rather have a full English breakfast than 90% of French food and 98% of German food. Kidneys in cream, or raw pork crackers, or bread and cheese like they invented it or whatever.
FreeBeard@slrpnk.net · 24 pts · 216d
Very ignorant take because everything a full English offers is also very German. This includes the pig blood which isn't french but you probably didn't think of that anyway.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
hansolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 216d
Branding and beans for breakfast. That's why the English get the win here, which is also occasionally called a full Irish breakfast if there's no Brits looking. Plus, the English hardly have any indigenous culinary variety or spices. Why else colonize with such a passion?
And I'm actually very much ok with black pudding, that's not the issue. I don't like northern French cuisine because it's just "how much butter and cream can we pump into this snail or these poor mushrooms or a potato that was fine all on its own? Can we drown this perfectly mediocre cut of beef in cream and butter to make it seem fancy?" I'm far more partial to living below the butter/olive oil border. Southern France on the sea is tolerable, they're also below the border.
Miaou@jlai.lu · 6 pts · 216d
Snails are not a northern France thing though (unless you have a loose definition of north). It's mostly central, with a huge correlation with tourist hotspots
j_overgrens@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 216d
They confused Central French with Northern French, but it's true that classic French cuisine, both northern and central, use too much dairy.
I mean I love France with all my being, but there's no denying the use of cream and butter (or cheese in Northern French cuisine.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 215d
Well, my objection is to the way they're prepared in France, not the snails.
I've had snails in Morocco and giant forest snails in Ghana. The big ones are delicious if they're wild caught. If they're farmed, they taste like the rotten lettuce they get fed.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 215d
French cooking is cheap peasant foods with lipstick applied and loads of makeup to try and cover up that fact.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 215d
Butter is the caked on foundation. Cream the 12 coats of eyeliner. This is the perfect simile.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 216d
I guess you’re not into bread, because Germans have incredible bread
hansolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 216d
I left the 2% for pretzels, sausage, and Haribo gummies.
And Italians also make bread, you'll notice they're not on the exclusion list.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 216d
Yeah, but Italian bread and German bread…
Germans make pasta too, but I’m not talking about maultaschen here
j_overgrens@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 216d
Italians make bread without salt... Bah!
Rinox@feddit.it · 2 pts · 216d
That's just the Tuscans
Damage@feddit.it · 3 pts · 216d
The French have good bread as well. Not as good as what we have in Italy of course, but well, they're doing their best!
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 216d
I dunno, the last baguette I ate tasted like pain.
Miaou@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 216d
They sure like talking about their bread a lot. No one beyond their borders understands why however.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
That’s what I thought until I started working at a German bakery. Now I’m converted (as someone who isn’t from here and grew up with fresh home baked sourdough every day). You should try more of it.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 216d
Germans have roughly one kind of bread that they're very good at.
Germany has tons of Turkish immigrants, but Germans won't buy pita bread unless they're getting a doner. They share a massive border with France but mostly ignore delicious French breads like croissants, baguettes, etc. They're right near Italy but you won't find much focaccia. Forget about naan, bagels, bao, corn bread, crumpets, injera, etc.
idunnololz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
idk man. I went to the UK to sample some of the cuisine thinking it can't be that bad and I have mixed feeling afterwards. Like the food is edible at least.
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 216d
What did you have because you can go to a crap pizza place in Italy.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
Yeah, tikka masala is awesome. And yeah fish and chips is amazing too. It's just that brits also have stuff like boiled roasts
crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 216d
I do believe tikka masala is British but it is funny that it's the first thing you said because it's also very clearly Indian
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 216d
Yes, that was intentional to attempt to be humorous. It was invented by brits returning home attempting to recreate Indian food.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 215d
JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 216d
There is a whole category of British-Indian food which is from immigrants creating completely new types of curries that dont exist in India.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · -8 pts · 216d
indian the same as pizza is italian. invented elsewhere by emigres to another country who then had family bring back the crazy new fusion food for the people of the homeland to go "oh that's good."
CXORA@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 216d
Pizza was invented in Italy though.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 216d
what am i thinking of then that's an itallian-american dish that got popular back in italy. i was thinking the phenomenon was called pizzafication but maybe it's… lasagnafication?
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 216d
it is the pizza effect, it's just about how the specifics of pizza have shifted over time, not about the overall creation of the thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_effect
CXORA@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 215d
Idk man, Fettuccine Alfredo? But then I wasn't able to find information about it actually being popular in Italy.
This may just be a myth. The Wikipedia pages you linked seems to believe something anyway.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 216d
The fuck is a boiled roast?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
Something I've seen brits complain about on the internet before, Something about Sunday roasts involving far too much boiling and not enough seasoning
merc@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 216d
I'm not much of a fan of many traditional British dishes, and there are some things many British people seem to enjoy make me wonder about their taste buds. OTOH, Britain once had a worldwide empire, and it brought back a lot of dishes from that empire to the mainland. Indian curries are the obvious example, but there's also Caribbean food, Chinese food, even other curries from South-East Asia.
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 215d
Food is like music. You can have very strong tastes for a particular genre. But I reckon real lovers will always find something to love wherever they go.
Like, I love scones, and carrot cakes and I fondly remember a simple ham and potatoes I had one Christmas in Ireland. And fantastic fish. That smoked salmon filet with herbs and spices from M&S is still in my mind all those years later.
There is always something to love, if you give it a fair go.
Lenny@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 216d
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-in0vZ3yDQs
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 216d
In comedy, timing is everything. This cut down TikTok ruined the joke :(
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 216d
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 216d
His famous grilled cheese.
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 216d
A classic. For sure that's a dope sando tho
Agent641@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
The cow that made that cheese should sue him for assault.
Saryn@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 216d
He's Scottish though, not English
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 216d
The Scotts will one up the English at any chance they get out of pure spite if for no other reason.
remon@ani.social · 2 pts · 216d
Yeah and it must have been really hard to on-up them on terrible food. But they did manage to come up with Haggis in the end.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 215d
Also deep fried mars bars apparently
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 216d
There are other reasons?
mrslt@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 216d
"Relatively recent"
I'll be sure to let the Etruscans know.
swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 216d
Isn’t tomato native to the Americas?
ikidd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
And pasta to China.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 216d
Pasta has been around in Italy since at least the Roman era. The story that they didn't know about pasta until Marco Polo returned from China is just not true. He might have brought back some specific new recipes, but Italians have been enjoying pasta since before the three kingdoms began their romance.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · -11 pts · 216d
Most food is.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 216d
It's a reference to Alberto Grandi and his theses about the origins of many popular Italian dishes that are perceived as "traditional" but did not become mainstream until after WWII (and that Italian cuisine before that was much more regional and less homogeneous).
I think there's something to those arguments, but it is worth noting that he's not really a "food historian" as he's often described but a professor of economics and management.
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 2 pts · 215d
The foremost things I have with every meal.
Zink@programming.dev · 9 pts · 216d
Ahkshually, cultures all over the world have eaten crustaceans for millennia!
(I made up that fact for the sake of the punch line, no idea if accurate)
logi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 216d
My people would rather have starved than eat crustaceans. Lobsters were being fed to prisoners in the US until recently. People are weird.
(It was a valiant attempt)
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 216d
The Etruscans, famously known for their tomato sauce.
"Food made by people living on what is now the Italian peninsula" is not a synonym for "Italian food."
mrslt@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 216d
Yeah, all they did was form the basis for modern pasta, and cultivate the seasonings used by modern Italians. I'm sure that counts for absolutely nothing. /s
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 216d
British food is great. Chicken tikka, pizza, Chinese, lasagne... The list goes on.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 215d
In all seriousness, there's some great British food and people get too territorial about what constitutes as what food belongs to whom.
arc99@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 215d
Definitely - foods like British / Scottish / Irish / Ulster fry, pork pies, bangers & mash, fish & chips, Sunday roast (carved meat, roast potatoes, yorkshire puds), shepherd's pie, beef wellington to name a few. Plenty of deserts too. And ingredients like worcester sauce, English mustard, marmite etc.
A Sunday roast / carvery is basically what Americans get when they order prime rib. The cut of meat is slightly different due to different classifications but for all intents and purposes it's a Sunday rib roast. For some bizarre reason in the US it's regarded as fine dining with a price 4x as much as it would be for a better Sunday roast meal / carvery in a British pub. Over two decades ago I went to dine in a Lawry's Prime Rib in Chicago - big mistake - massively overpriced for what it was.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 215d
Out of the food you mentioned only Beef Wellington and English Breakfast/Ulster Fry/ are uniquely British.
Everything else is either not a dish (fried sausage and potatoes definitely is not a dish you philistine :P) or not distinct enough.
Pork pies, fish and chips, roast, shepherds pie - it is eaten in Britain, but is not unique to them, as was historically eaten across the whole Europe (I mean it is fish and chips, it didn't need "inventing").
originaltnavn@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 215d
I think we need these smaller distinctions to have a meaningful conversation about food. If not, French crepes would be too similar to Norwegian pancakes, pizza and quiche could be the same if you ignore the yeast and tomato sauce, and if you really want to stretch it you could group Japanese ramen and Polish pasta soup together. In some ways I want to agree with you, for good ideas usually pop up multiple times and places, but I am too fond of traveling and tasting different food traditions to give in.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 215d
Fair.
Polish rosół is much more similar to French consomme than to ramen though. The stretch to ramen would be rather significant.
withabeard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 215d
Saying Kimchi and Saurkraut are the same thing is heresy in some parts. Salt water, cabbage, spices, time. Same damn thing the way I cook.
I am not a chef.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 2 pts · 215d
Chef here. I have at least 100 recipes for various types of pancakes the world over.
Never underestimate an Americans willingness to take their single racist heirloom joke and run it into the Martians trench thinking it's a fact.
arc99@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
Yes all those other things are distinctly British. Britain didn't function in a vacuum and I'm sure there are influences to everything. But if you eat a British pork pie you absolutely know what it is. Same for fish and chips. Same for all those things.
Since we're comparing to Italy where do you think tomatoes came from? Do you think pasta wasn't independently invented in many places? Do you think olive oil, or bread, ragus, salted pork etc weren't also done elsewhere?
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 215d
And if you were to say, for example, that pasta with tomato sauce is an Italian dish, I'd argue it's not, as pasta was eaten across the whole Europe, and likely first added tomato happened in Britain.
Bolognese sauce with pasta on the other hand would definitely be Italian dish. Do you see the distinction?
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 215d
Fish and Chips is Jewish food, and became popular in Britain in the Victorian era with the coincidence of a large wave of Dutch Jews arriving in the country and the development of a rail network sufficient to deliver fresh fish anywhere in the country.
arc99@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
Like I said, Britain didn't function in a vacuum. Fish and chips is still a uniquely British thing however.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 215d
But it isn’t. Its portuguese.
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 216d
England had to utilize military force to control India to get the spices, to make the blandest food on the planet.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 215d
What's that old saying?
British women and British food made British sailors the best in the world.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 215d
Never tried English mustard or fresh horseradish sauce then?
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
French mustard is better.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 215d
Dijon is nice, but not as strong as English
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 215d
They sold the spices to other nations for major profit to enrich themselves. They never intended to eat said spices.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
That's what the Portuguese and the Dutch did. By the time the British finally defeated the Dutch in... like... the seventh war, the spice trade was no longer the most profitable. It was then the Atlantic Triangle... or whatever it was called.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 215d
Curry is practically the national dish in the UK now and a few variants were even invented there
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 215d
What do you think tea is made of?
remon@ani.social · 6 pts · 215d
Leaves.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 215d
QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 216d
Who would have anything against British cuisine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHbWHGVYaU
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 28 pts · 216d
This is another one of those times where I can’t tell if this is British humour or British documentary.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 216d
Can someone authoritative clarify? I literally can’t tell either.
Monzcarro@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 216d
I can! I come from that area and it's a real dish that is eaten commonly and served in pubs and restaurants. If you go to a local market, you can get then to take away with scoops of mushy peas in the container too.
I don't eat meat, so I can't speak to the taste, but mushy peas themselves are delicious and shouldn't taste anything like garden peas. They are more like a dal.
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 3 pts · 215d
Huh; I've gotten so used to all the non–slur-related uses of "removed" that Brit.s employ that I didn't even consider that was the source of the confusion.
I was just like, "Of course; like in that one commercial."
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 216d
You can only tell at the very end when he says "no joke intended"
gmtom@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
100% real, you can buy packs of frozen removedts at basically any supermarket
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 216d
I did NOT see that opening sentence coming! 😂
WildPalmTree@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 216d
Opening, middle, end... Much like removeds, there just is so much to love.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 216d
Lmao, the first comment:
"Well I know my algorithm didn't search for "peas."
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 216d
Curry is the greatest dish of English cuisine.
Johanno@feddit.org · 17 pts · 216d
The best German dishes are Döner, Spaghetti and Lasagne.
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 216d
France favorite dish is couscous
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 215d
Favourite? Hmm, maybe? We have many delicious local dishes, which maybe other regions don't know about. Whereas couscous is more widely spread because Maghreb immigrants are everywhere.
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
Yup, but somehow couscous is the top 4 🤷
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 216d
Fuckin schnitzel doesn't matter or anything!?
Johanno@feddit.org · 3 pts · 216d
Well Schnitzel is in the top 10. But only the one from Vienna
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
Sure it does, but the Japanese perfected it.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 215d
Somehow I completely believe that, and schnitzel and Sapporo sounds really good
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 215d
Tonkatsu is amazing.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
While I've never had the privilege of doing so in-country, it seems straightforward to make and would absolutely pair with Japanese beer*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsudon
* - Also something the Japanese refined from the Germans.
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 215d
Schnitzel don't hold a sausage to a good Bratwurst though!
moakley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 216d
Nah, Germany has the best sausage.
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 215d
Nah, the Spanish and Italians have way better sausages.
moakley@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
I don't like fennel.
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 215d
Eh what? Not the same kind of sausages I think. Spain and Italy have the dry meat type and Germany has the uncooked type. Very different culinary experiences. I tend to agree with you though.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 215d
199398500A is the only one popular abroad tbh
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 214d
TIL about the Volkswagen sausage.
moakley@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
More popular than bratwurst? I guess maybe that could be true somewhere, but I've never heard of that VW sausage before, and I've had bratwurst many, many times outside of Germany.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 214d
I'm just kidding. Everyone who took German instead of Russian in school knows about bratwurst at least. But very few places around me serve it. VW Currywurst is more famous among car guys, but it's because of the meme status rather than how good it is or isn't.
However grilled sausage is super popular here and it's not too different from bratwurst I guess. We're very fond of grilling here, personally I usually spend all 3 days of summer on grilling and alcohol.
Drusas@fedia.io · 3 pts · 215d
But käsespätzle....
fishy@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 215d
In Japan they consider curry a European dish, so you're not really wrong.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 214d
That’s cos the British took curry to japan and the japanese adapted a local curry sauce from it. Katsu is a japanisation of “cut” - as in cut chicken.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
What about doner kebab and garlic sauce?
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 215d
That's German! /s
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 216d
"Everybody get the fuck out of my way and don't touch anything"
-Me, in the kitchen
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one · 6 pts · 216d
correction:
-Me, in MY kitchen
I tell people to "get out of my kitchen" all the time. I keep it neat, I keep it functional, don't leave your dirty dish there you heathen, get out!
Guest cooks are welcome, at which point I will get out of their way too, but when I'm head chef, I'm the LAW.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 216d
-Me, in OUR kitchen
lobut@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 215d
Seriously, you don't enjoy cooking with a partner or family member or anything?
I actually really enjoy it. Apparently for my friends it's like real life Overcooked levels of screaming.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 215d
Oh I definitely enjoy cooking in the presence of a partner or family member
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 215d
If the other person knows to work with you, sure. But cooking with people is about as difficult as teaming up with rando online, haha !
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 215d
I glare at them until they leave.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 216d
I can't agree, but I can very much understand.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 215d
But seriously i had a roast at an English friends house, have you guys ever heard of slow cooking? Braising? Grilling? Marinating? Just throwing a roast in boiling water or in the oven for an hour isnt gonna cut it
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 215d
I was gonna say hey, that's what I do and mine turns out fine, then googled to see what braising means and apparently that's what I do with my roasts.
Do you mean the brits just.. Straight up boil roasts, fully submerged and without browning firat?
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 6 pts · 215d
No, we don't. Op is talking out of his arse. Or he's the last surviving member of a platoon that landed at Normandy, talking of his experience of wartime rations.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 215d
[Source: proud anglo]
The closest thing my family do is boiled ham:
Thigh of a pig is stuck on a low boil for ages, lid on pot. Maybe bayleaf, black papper, rosemary, thyme, salt etc... but very much lightly seasoned compared to italian food. The ham comes out with a soft texture, cut it into slices and serve with potatoes, butter, green veg, english mustard, relish, pickle etc... It's less flavourful than a porkchop but:
we would not call it a "roast" though, that's reserved for roasts.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 215d
No.
Their friend just can't cook
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 215d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb0CkGOZUWo
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 215d
You’re welcome to come over and try it, but I can’t help you if you end up in the village stocks.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
Not sure but my ex used to serve salt beef boiled with carrots potatoes and cabbage all boiled in one pot. It was fine but also very plain and not very flavourful
Drusas@fedia.io · 3 pts · 215d
Sounds like eighteenth century peasant food.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 215d
are you describing like a goulash?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
I'm confused with your words. If you are boiling something you can't be roasting it.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 214d
The comment I replied to stated that in their experience brits just throw a roast in water and boil it. Which I agree is not a roast.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 214d
Maybe I'm missing something.
Is "a roast" a type/style of meat?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 214d
Well the cuts of meat that are often used for making an oven roast, can also be called roasts sometimes I guess. You can go to the store and buy a product called "oven roast" and... boil it instead of roasting it. I just don't know why one would do that.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 216d
I have several thousands of millions of food intolerances, so I love that British simplicity
Donkter@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 215d
Don't worry, it's not a trad misogynist belief that women belong in the kitchen. It's just a widdle bit of cute racism.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
I think you mean bigotry not racism.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 215d
Why do americans refuse to recognise the genetic distinctiveness of true thoughoughbred Europeans. I can assure you those guys from the next village over are indeed monsterous fishmen, and our Earl Jeremy Flaxwheet the sixth was right to kidnap and employ all their hideous children in his mills.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 215d
I don't know. We stopped using leeches to treat injuries?
ebolapie@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 215d
We also stopped using cocaine as a cold and flu remedy, which I think was a huge mistake
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 214d
True, Trump didn't stop using it and his rectum is as non functional as a newborns.
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 216d
"'ow about we add some vinegah—"
"ANDARE!"
Damage@feddit.it · 2 pts · 216d
"FUORI!" would be more likely, or "SCIÒ!" (shoo)
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 216d
I agree but if you need some beans made, they will excel in that.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 6 pts · 216d
I'd much rather have some Mexican bean dish rather than a British one. Baked beans are trash, you cannot change my mind.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 216d
Cheesy beans on toast will change your mind.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 216d
English baked beans are trash. Barbecue Baked beans heated up out in a smoker with a bit of shredded pork or brisket in it are fantastic, and if you disagree with that, you and your bean mash can go burn in hell ;-p
oatscoop@midwest.social · 2 pts · 216d
Boston baked beans with pork belly also deserves a mention.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 216d
They're almost the same thing. Sauces are just a bit different.
oatscoop@midwest.social · 2 pts · 216d
I'd say the seasoning is different enough to call it a distinct thing, though the cooking method is identical. Like New York vs Chicago tavern style pizza.
pewpew@feddit.it · 9 pts · 216d
I'm italian, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want me in your kitchen
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 215d
deHaga@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 216d
She just needs a bit of toad in the hole
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 216d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toad_in_the_hole
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
A fun rabbit hole at 4am
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 215d
Yeah, no, Italians can't make breakfast for shit.
Coffee and a cake does not breakfast make.
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 215d
English breakfast might be considered an acceptable meal if it wasn't served at the time of day it is.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 215d
I mean even scrambled eggs is too much for any Italian hotel or breakfast restaurant I've been to. Like literally as if they made it mediocre on purpose.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 215d
I mean you can have it for brunch...
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 215d
I always found it random that a full English breakfast includes tomatoes
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 215d
Huh? It's a passable breakfast, I don't really see it being much of a lunch or dinner. Okay MAYBE lunch.
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 215d
Eggs: okay admitting this is a breakfast staple. Sausage and/or beans: instant lunch or dinner category.
fishy@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 215d
But there's literally breakfast sausages here in the US and like half of all breakfast sandwiches are sausage egg and cheese?
Trying to categorize food is basically impossible.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 215d
Especially since breakfast for dinner is fucking awesome
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 215d
I hate Italian breakfast. My stomach doesn't fare well with coffee, sugar, or wheat. I skip breakfast when I'm there.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 215d
That's better than my Israeli coworker. Coffee and cigarette.
Flipper@feddit.org · 6 pts · 215d
The food, the weather and the women created a seafaring nation.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 215d
Yeah, I get this sentiment. I don’t particularly like cooking, but I like cooking a lot more than what my partner prepares.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 215d
Italians assume they eat good but in fact they eat a lot of shit like anyone else
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 216d
So what you're saying is, I need to find an Italian woman! I can work with that.
janus2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 216d
even an Italian woman who don't cook is still an Italian woman 🤌🤌🤌
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 216d
Ok....I get that. Little confused why you ended your comment with the emoji for anal fisting though. Not judging, just confused.
janus2@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 216d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_vuoi%3F
I mean, I've also met more than one Italian/Italian-American woman at a kink party so 🤌doubling as a fisting emoji might not be far off lol
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 216d
I always think that one is the “wanker” gesture.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 216d
It's not all positives. Don't dig your own grave
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 216d
I mean.....I'd have dinner, and a woman. Sounds better then no dinner and no woman.
Sharlot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 215d
A strong boundary and a great punchline 😄 That’s love, culture, and humor all working together.
bitchkat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 215d
The absolute best breakfast in the world is square sausage and potato scones.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 215d
Nope. Biscuits and gravy is the very best breakfast. A pair of fresh handmade biscuits hot out of the oven and smothered in a white gravy with bits of spicy pork sausages and loads of black pepper for bite. A meal fit to fight whatever the day throws at you. Although fried chicken and waffles is a fine substitute. And smoked ribs, brisket, or pork butt cooked low and slow and infused with hours of hardwood smoke might be perfection itself. If you have the desire, your patience will be rewarded with meats that are unrivaled in this world.
But, like everything else in this world, cuisines are built upon whatever scraps of food that were handy and flavored with whatever seasonings that could be bought or scrounged. Local cuisines died when the first trader brought home something new to eat. It's all just a mish-mash of ideas and methods now. And good food is as easy to find as bad food is.
bitchkat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 214d
That gravy is gross but you do you. They actually sound similar at a high level. Fry your sausage and then cook the potato scones in the sausage grease.
But this post was about British foods.
RedSnt@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 211d
Whenever I see some recipe with tomato or potato and people in the comments are trying to convince everyone it's a dish from their country I can't help but be a bit amused. It's often Indians unsurprisingly, and I say that because 1/8th of the world's population and most spices are from India.
And on the flipside, it's almost impressive how England has stuck with their guns culinary-wise. I mean, just play a round of Scrandle for those mushy peas.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 216d
British food is actually top tier. The big difference with something like Italian food for example is Italian is quicker and easier to make, so your average person can put together a pasta dish pretty quickly as a weekday evening meal. Whereas youre not going to come home and quickly make a roast dinner or a beef wellington or a proper steak and ale pie, so instead you'll just bang some fish fingers and chips in the oven and 20 minutes later have some perfectly good scran for while you watch EastEnders.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 216d
As a British person myself, I completely disagree that our food is anything you would call top tier.
We have some nice food (as you mentioned) but it's the exception, rather than the rule.
As a child I was forced to eat a lot of Sunday roasts at the grandparents that were bland and anemic and mushy, with veg boiled within an inch of its life, and where the meat was the only good part. I don't think my experience was atypical.
British food these days is getting better all the time, but mostly because modern British food is a cultural fusion of tastes and techniques from everywhere in the world, and thanks to the Internet people are actually learning how to cook. Good roasts these days have sweetly caramelised oven-roast veg with olive oil and herbs and seasonings, and are a million miles from the mush I was served as a child.
But has British food historically been good? No, it has not.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 216d
And I used to date an Indian lass who was the worst cook I've ever met in my life, the food she made was truly disgusting. But that doesn't mean all Indian food is bad.
I know self-flagelation is a time honoured tradition of ours, but the whole "Britain bad" circlejerk is just getting annoying now.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 215d
Yeah I'm getting a bit tired of it myself. It's fun to banter but there's not really much banter left.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 216d
Sure, there are always exceptions.
I'm not being self-deprecating for the sake of it - I'm speaking what I feel from personal experience. And on the basis of that experience I would rank the average state of British food well below the average state of food in a pretty wide spread of other places.
And that's what I'm basing it on - averages, not exceptions.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 215d
Oh boy. You should Google that, because you couldn't be more wrong.
Edit:
Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forme_of_Cury XIV century cookbook. Damn, oldest known recipe for macaroni and cheese comes from it.
XIV - XV century whole Europe was jelly for English cuisine.
XVI you were the capital of pastries and sweets.
Riverside@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 216d
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 215d
Oh no! No it is not!
If you want a real Bolognese sauce, know it needs to simmer for a looooong time, and if you've never had this, you never had a real Bolognese sauce! Nothing you will find pre-made in a jar will ever match the fresh one!
It's just like pizzas: fresh made are incomparable to frozen ones.
Italian food was made "quick-and-convenient" by the food industry because it is top-tier, not because it was initially quick and convenient.
And industry italian-style food is of a much lower standard than genuine italian cuisine.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 215d
Eh, I will sometimes make a big batch of sauce and then either keep in the fridge a few days or freeze it. But that's besides the point. I can still make a pasta Bolognese in about an hour if I'm trying to make a quick but tasty weekday meal, since you don't actually HAVE to simmer it for hours.
Like to take a beef wellington for example, you can't really cut corners on it and make one on Wednesday night after work. Even if you were to buy a pre made one, you would still have to roast it for ages.
And even then a lot of Italian cooking is legitimately quick, even doing it "properly" a carbonara for example is super quick and easy to make from scratch, if you just buy the bread instead of making it Bruschetta is super easy, or if I'm feeling super lazy I will sometimes make a frittata with leftovers, that takes like 15 mins to make. In the other hand no one quickly throws together a chicken and leek pie, or make a pasty from scratch, or even something as relatively simple as a roast. The only British food I ever really make for easy meals is a stew because you can make it in a slow cooker, but stew isn't even a uniquely British dish.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 215d
That's why Brits historically just had the help cook it for them
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 216d
This affirms my hypothesis that the problem with British food is that they still have their nobility. France is the textbook example of the process - after they guillotined their nobles the good chefs that once served the elite had to offer their services to the general populace. But Britain? Only the nobles (or otherwise wealthy people) can have their servants at home prepare "a roast dinner or a beef wellington or a proper steak and ale pie", while the comments have to settle for "some fish fingers and chips in the oven".
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 215d
16 years after the Terror, the nobility was restored under Napoleon.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 215d
Macaroni & Cheese originates from England, and there’s few simpler recipes.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 216d
https://youtu.be/2PHo0WQzCuQ
Agent641@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 215d
British cuisine is abysmal, but Australia doesn't even have a cuisine at all.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 215d
Australia has wonderful cuisine. I'm not Australian born but now love here. People take food very seriously and there is great Japanese, Thai, Chinese Greek, Italian French cuisine here. Mexican, not so much. Other countries, depends on the area.
Modern Australian cuisine (known as mod Aus here) takes a fusion of one or more of these combined with some local ingredients.
Australians in general take cooking and food quite seriously. It's a foodie paradise.
Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 215d
Could you provide a link to what you might call a very normal-looking Australian menu? Just any random restaurant.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 215d
Well, why not look at the best food that wins awards. We don't have Michelin stars here, but a local system of chefs hatted restaurant. Here is a list for New South Wales, where I live. These will generally be more expensive but should show the best of what's on offer without doxxing me, lol.
https://www.agfg.com.au/awards/sydney
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 216d
The best chefs in the world are men.
mrslt@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 216d
Nah, they've just got better publicity. Gordon Ramsey couldn't whip up a dish half as delicious as my nonna could.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 215d
Well, turns out that for the past few hundred years men cooks were only the talented ones or those that had interest, while for women it was not a choice.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 215d
Your mum is the best sausage handler in the world