Lutris is AI slop now

Listing claude as a co-author where it was used serves a practical purpose of drawing extra eyes for review of relevant commits.

This is the correct take and best course of action. What the dev did is not only shitty but also dumb.

I guess it prevents someone to fork the project and remove the slop.

Am I allowed to have an unpopular narrative here?

There are levels of vibe coding, and it's possible to use AI without vibe coding at all.

If you're very targeted in what you're having the AI do and you carefully review the code, it can be a great tool.

For example, "make this html grid sortable and add a download button that creates a csv file." You know exactly what this does, it's self contained, and it's something you know can just be copied from stack overflow and applied to your code.

That works, and works well.

"Create an app that..." is vibe coded slop.

I'm going to assume from the part where they say they were at their lowest that the option the saw infront of them wasn't "code with AI or not" but rather "burnout and don't code, or code with AI". And they chose to make progress using the crutch rather than stop. That's my guess.

Because you can do a lot more with it, have you ever tried coding? Before AI, if you didn't know how to do something, it was "Ask a question on Stack Overflow, then get told this question had already been asked/answered, then get linked to a loosely related question". Now I can ask AI all my random obscure questions.

I get being cautious around sensitive equipment like banking apps and government databases, but why would you hate LLM-generated code this much?

It's really hard to argue against that final paragraph though for real. These are free time projects that people spend time on for the benefit of others. I dunno. Food for thought?

This kind of thinking is what makes billionaires who back AI companies to keep increasing their investments in AI Capex, while leaving others with nothing but increasingly expensive parts and damaged environments.

Come on, is there anything that's safe?!

"We live in a capitalist hellscape so why bother to struggle against it" isn't a completely unreasonable take. Too bad, though.

what a moronic take :(

No, it was a confusing intuitive mess with tons of broken toggles for legacy cruft long, long before AI code was a thing.

I never liked it. Heroic is best.

Unfortunately, it is the only way my SO got paint tool SAI 2 with pen pressure working under Linux..

Hell, it’s not even everything I like is turning to shit. Things I already hate are getting worse as well. It’s fucking everything. Either AI or ads. Shareholders above all.

Try Heroic or Bottles. I am personally a fan of Bottles.

I used lutris for a while but jumped ship to bottles as soon as it existed as I found the UI more tolerable even though it has that gnome app look I don't really like. Then I switched to heroic which can also handle semi manual wine prefixes with whatever wine or proton variant I want or need, without all the extraneous handholding or terminology renaming.

Some comtributors to vim started using AI too btw. I may learn kate. Hell there is an evil mode in emacs.

I tried using it. Saw something i wanted to try and implement. Made one test PR that implemented (badly) my desired feature clearly stating that it was a PR looking for feedback and I got told off by the maker. I'm just a bit sad about the other maintainer that actually took some time to engage with me

when I played WoW/Blizzard games that was pretty much the only time I ever used it or maybe when sailing the high seas for stuff.

I should probably just remove it.

I remember using it once, and I never got it to run with the GOG installers I had. It either tried to get the game from valve's drm store, or attempted to download the game again from GOG. To be fair, it was a couple years back but it looked like it was a fundamental part of its design.

There's also bottles... But I've only had a mediocre time with it.

I long ago switched to just adding everything to Steam.

Waaay faster and less confusing for general use cases, and, if I want to really tweak the guts of that particular proton config... ProtonTricks.

You can try Faugus Launcher

I don't like that electron was used for it because it needs unreasonable amounts of ressources, but Heroic Launcher certainly is easier to use than Lutris...

My regret is I have but one upvote to give.

It’s just painful to use. Why are commonly used Wine/Proton features like DLL overrides so unnecessarily poorly done in the UI? I may as well write the command line switches myself.

For real, strycore's responses to github issues seem to mostly be laughing at the posters, calling them idiots, and at best eventually giving in and fixing an issue after another maintainer acknowledges a bug as valid. Glad I only use Lutris for Battle.net, and definitely looking for alternatives.

Work well in porn games. Never managed to make custom maid 3d run on bottle. But it run on lutris

Someone can, I certainly don't have the time or the talent to do so. Thanks for your efforts people who do this stuff.

Supreme Court recently declined to take a major copyright case involving AI, which meant the previous court's ruling still stands - ai generated content can't be copyrighted. Tho I haven't looked at the details, so I'm not sure if that applies to code or not.

It will not surprize me if everyone currently depending on these systems is going to be in for a very rude awakening.

The flatpak version finally updated its dependencies on an out of date library, so that much is an improvement. I don't use it for much though, mainly to run origin or whatever they're calling it now.

Bazzite user here as well, I'm not sure what game(s) you were using lutris for but I started out using it because as you said it was pre installed. I switched over to bottles a couple of weeks ago and found great success, hopefully bottles can work for you too.

There is AI code in the Linux kernel now, I don't think it's realistic to go full vegan on AI.

I might not know the use cases that Lutris covers. But I've been very (edit: happy) with Heroic Launcher for installing GOG games and keeping them up to date, and with entries within steam.

Cory Doctorow explores this in his most recent column, describing the concept of "Centaurs" and "Reverse Centaurs".

A centaur is a human piloting a machine body. They're faster and stronger because of the machine, but the human is in charge. A reverse centaur is a machine piloting a human body; a brainless head on a largely inferior body.

In the context of generative AI, centaurs are people use AI tools carefully, intentionally, and of their own volition. They have the knowledge necessary to assess when the output of the machine tools is good or bad, and the machine simply becomes, like any other tool, a way of leveraging their abilities more efficiently.

A reverse centaur is when you have a "human in the loop." An intern told to write a stack of columns that would take ten experienced writers a week, in only a few days, but don't worry you can just use ChatGPT it'll be so fast. That person really only exists for two purposes; to push the buttons that make the machine go, and, far more importantly, to eat the blame when the machine fucks up. They were the "human in the loop" so they were supposed to catch the bad output, but they were never given the time or the expertise to do so, and they were placed in a scenario where using genAI was the only possible choice to get the outcome that was demanded of them.

I don't see the use of AI tools, especially in areas that they are well suited to like coding, as automatically befitting the "AI slop" descriptor. Gen AI can be extremely effective as a coding assistant, when used with care, and by someone with enough knowledge to read the output and understand it completely. As you say, a huge amount of normal everyday coding has, for decades, been copy and pasting code blocks because why the fuck would repeat work that someone else has already done??? And for decades bad coders have screwed themselves over by copy-pasting code they don't understand or didn't bother to properly read and parse. That's nothing new.

Now, it's also completely reasonable for people to hold ethical objections to genAI that are entirely separate from any practical concerns. If someone's position is "I do not care how good the output is, because I believe it comes from a fundamentally immoral technology", I think that's a completely cogent moral stance. I have no argument against that. I'd just ask to not use the term "AI slop" when describing that objection, because I think it really muddies the waters and makes it extremely unclear what you're actually objecting to. If your problem is one of ethics, say that. Don't just re-use a term you heard elsewhere that's tangentially related.

I would argue that if more people went outside and touched grass they wouldn't come up with ludicrous non-answers like "code it yourself" because they'd meet people from walks of life who aren't coders.

Oh my god but coding seriously sucks. I studied it when I was in college getting my networking degrees. And dear God I hate to code so so much.

The lutris installers repo is community maintained, which means that someone made an installer for a game they wanted to play 6 years ago that worked on their system, but never tested to make sure it would work with others.

They often include workarounds that were needed at the time, but are very obsolete, and no one is willing to take the effort to update them, and the dev did not provide an easy way to report broken installers fr review/removal.

That's interesting, I know Mathieu a bit, I'll check in with him. But from his Mastodon posts recently, this is just how things are with Lutris now.

I appreciate the tag!

Everything that can't use steam(UbiSoft for example) has worked for the most part in Lutris. Currently I am playing Chromiecraft(private WoW) with it.

As a vegan, I don't expect to convince everyone to be vegan because people need to eat food and meat-based foods are often tied into peoples cultures. Sure, I think it would be the kinder, more compassionate option if they stopped, but I don't expect them to stop or bully them for not stopping.

On the other hand, no one needs AI, literally no one (outside of medical applications), and the only culture it's entangled with is the slop culture itself, the enemy of humanity, the Great White West. I expect them to stop and I will bully every single one, every single time I see AI use, for not stopping.

did someone forget to take their meds today?

You should care because your banking app is or will soon be full of AI slop.

banking app

PC

choose one

If you're tired of this community you're in the wrong place.

The description of this community literally reads:

A place for all those who loathe AI

So why are you complaining? Do you also go to McDonalds and yell at people eating french fries?
I'm sure there's a community for people who love AI on the Fediverse as well.

Edit: Just did a quick search, there is claudeai, gemini, microsoft_copilot, chatgpt and openai on lemmy.world. Lots of other places for slop enthusiasts to present their greatest achievements.

yes, yes I have. fuck ai there is no excuse. I'd rather a project die completely if they think they can't suddenly survive without ai contributions that actively harm the planet on which we live. there's no planet B and some piece of software is not more important than that

I have multiple contributions to FOSS projects (incl. small patches to bash and linux), and I'm a commit-access maintainer of Nixpkgs. While I do use a local LLM occasionally for boilerplate stuff, the attitude here makes me immediately distrustful of the Lutris maintainers. Going out of your way to disable the Claude Co-Authored-By on commits is counterproductive and dangerous to the project in the long run. LLMs can often confidently spit out good-looking code with subtle but critical flaws. Commits with non-trivial amounts of LLM output need way more scrutiny than human-written commits, and making it more difficult to tell the two apart is fucked up.

You're talking to a wall, most people in here are so far into delusion they won't accept anything anymore. They have a zero tolerance policy and direct it at the small fish instead of the actual problem, which is governments using it to kill people, companies investing billions into speculation, and nobody stopping them or making them pay for copyright infringement.
People like this don't understand there's a spectrum to it, from full on Vibecoding to just AI code reviews, fixing that one awful bug you've been kicking down the road for 6 months, for finding information in a gigantic codebase, validating data in a way that won't take you 15 weeks to implement, etc etc. They also don't understand anything about a developer's full process, so how could they possibly judge?
You used AI? Now all your life's work is invalid and your experience means nothing.

I hate what AI is doing to my livelihood and long standing hobby. Am I still using it and will continue to do so? Hell yes.