I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.
He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly
Don't worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it's time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.
My advice to anyone else that isn't prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don't have long.
"The shooter visited California once, where they were radicalized by the violent left."
"The shooter owned an iPhone, which is designed by Apple in California. The violent leftists are responsible."
"Liberals, who constantly demonize conservative speech, are responsible!"
There need not be any actual ties to Los Angeles, Chicago, or DC. They can cut any narrative they like from whole cloth. Denying reality and substituting their own is the rightist way.
For a lot of us we can't simply leave. And if we can, it could still take years for visas. If we are lucky it will be short, but I'm not too optimistic.
I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.
The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.
Source: History, memory...
P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀
Thing is most gun owners who hunt know. I saw a man shot at close range when I was in my early twenties. I wasn't involved, just passenger in a car nearby when it happened. The next day there was nothing about it in the papers. Nothing at all. This guy gets shot and no one cared.
I shot pigs for slaughter at close range right between the eyes when I was ten or eleven years old. All us kids took a turn and in some ways it was a good thing. Its good you know where meat comes from. Only a fool would think that shooting a person isn't going to result in a large amount of blood. That shot was in a region of the body that has closely grouped large arteries and veins. No surprise there was so much blood. Anyone who is surprised should be thankful they have never seen something like that before.
I saw that video of the man shooting himself in those faces of death videos back in the 90's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer
I felt bad about it because they said he was a good man. As for Kirk I feel very little. His words have made me care very little for him. Similar to how I felt when that healthcare guy got deleted.
I realize I may be more desensitized to the things like this than most. At least I hope so.
No, but there was a shooting of 3 innocent students in Colorado today and now you know what happened to them. And the Uvalde students... Dozens of them...
The left is notoriously unarmed while the right is the reason our gun ownership is so high. At a time when the right threatens to take more and more away, this feels like a poor choice. Personally I agree with a very prominent leftist that the working class must be armed, and I feel that as those on the left we need to see the writing on the wall. The united states does not appear to be going a more peaceful direction, and if we want to keep having any rights for the workers at all we need to be ready to frustrate any attempt to disarm or otherwise neutralize us. In a world where the right does not threaten to take guns from trans folks or keep us from using our right to organize, we can talk about gun control again. Sadly we are sliding away from that so fast that I can't imagine where we will be at the end of this presidency.
Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".
Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:
“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”
The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”
“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.
It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.
This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!
The full quote is even more something out of a movie too somehow.
He had just been asked if he knew how many mass shootings had been committed by trans people, to which he responded "too many," and was then asked if he knew how many mass shootings happened in the past ten years, where he responded "with or without gang violence?"
I have been desensitize to it because my twitter timeline has been flooded with toddlers having their skulls hollowed out by the IDF. A live-streamed holocaust has kind of made violence seem not that abnormal to me, so it comes across as strange when politicians cry about people advocating for violence, when literally most of them support industrial-scale genocide of hundreds of thousands that I see dying on a day-to-day basis. That alone has changed me from a "violence is inherently bad" type mofo to a "I would celebrate if most of these American politicians were [redacted]" type mofo. Why should I care if a person who loves mass murder of children dies? It's called karma.
I was just thinking about that. Someone will whine about empathy sooner or later and I've come up with what I think is a pretty good response, feel free to use it if you agree.
I've been putting up with their hateful shit for most of my life, exactly how many years of that are required before I'm allowed to have an empty empathy tank for them?
yeah that was...very not gruesome? i've seen people hype it up but, like, that was nothing? unless you're afraid of blood i guess. most death i've seen in my life was way worse.
Yeah, that's not a good place to get shot. AP news said he, "grabbed up with his right hand to his left shoulder" or some shit but that dude is unconscious immediately. Just that old "fencer's response" Prolly gonna die.
Not just “violence”, but actively trying to downplay mass shootings by blaming them on “gang violence”. He’s a goon, but at least he’s the best kind of goon(a dead one).
“Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America in the last 10 years?” a person asks. “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk responds right before he is shot.
It's my personal belief with absolutely no evidence that the person asking the questions and the shooter were working together. Those questions and the timing of the shot are just too fucking perfect.
Life is stranger than fiction. Yes, the timing worked out, that doesn’t mean fuck all. This isn’t a movie, and sometimes timing can be unintentionally poetic. The shooter could hear them, too, and may have decided that was the moment they wished to fire the shot on their own accord. Those types of questions are asked all the time at these shitty debates, it’s not even remotely special and it’s even a topic that is one of the core things Kirk pushed pretty heavily.
Everyone’s making up all kinds of conspiracies when the highly likely, nearly guaranteed, reality is that it was someone who came to the conclusion that the systems present in the US would not only do nothing to punish Kirk for his hate but in fact reward him for it. The same thing happened to a certain health insurance CEO for the same reason. They took the law into their own hands because the law does exist to serve victims, only oppressors.
Yes, this means the violence all too present in the US has finally come to white conservatives. Deal with it.
Fuck, glad I waited to smoke a joint on that one. That doesn't really seem survivable. Especially with the way the body moved. Though I want confirmation.
Loved and admired by all!? Good with the youth!? I know we are not supposed to talk ill of the dead, but do we have to literally make up lies about him?
of course trump needed a big distraction, and now media is only focused on it right now. im pretty sure melania is a reaper, waiting til you pass so she can have your will.
Shhh, do you hear that? That's the bullet headed to my neck.
If America, and the taxes we pay for them to kill, kills innocent civilians, and most of us go along everyday not giving a fuck then why should we give a single fuck about this?
Shit my paid taxes paid less for this than more monstrous murders. There's less blood on my hands from this murder than the Israel Gaza war or any other war. Basically my tax payments have paid for more heartless shit than this. Yet that's all cool and this is supposed to not be okay?
I am so glad that i live in the timeline where Charlie Kirk was the sole victim of a school shooting. I'm glad he could die defending the Second Amendment
I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.
Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.
I wonder if the right wing "think" tanks who fund TPUSA are going to try to find a new grifter to run the show or let it die with Kirk and start a new thing.
His video gaming days are over. I am assuming that he played videogames.
If you’re nice to people and you’re a positive force in society and you do t associate with bad people, no one is going to hate you or laugh at you when you die. Heck all you need is to be neutral. The bar is pretty low.
Fascists absolutely love guns. The proof is right here in front of our faces. Guns will never protect us from fascists because violence is what they want.
I am so sorry to hear your hero died AKA the great white MLK. If it is any solace he died proving his point. An "armed citizenry comes with a price" as he was found of saying.
You're probably not very good at social interaction, are you? I didn't say anything praising him, I just intentionally spend time in left and right spaces so I understand both groups pretty well. It's depressing how many tools there everywhere, you aren't giving me much hope either.
Not at all, I just immediately suspected you of trolling based on what you said. I read your comment history and I confirmed my suspicion.
Speaking of social interactions, part of that is reading the room. This means understanding the temperature and leaning of the group you are discussing things with.
Kirk recognized this and very carefully crafted his image by omitting anytime someone put him in his place and using plausible deniability to conceal his misogynist and racist right wing viewpoints.
Your MLK comments were particularly interesting considering he was known for saying things like Martin Luther King Jr. is exaggerated, calling King “awful… not a good person.” and also calling the Civil Rights Movement "a huge mistake."
Perhaps you are just ill informed and made a mistake. From my viewpoint you could perhaps be just like him. Someone pushing a right wing agenda that is not afraid to lie and conceal the truth.
I think most of the world's population does live under the thumb of authoritarian governments. I'm not only opposed to the fascist right, I'm opposed to authoritarian left too.
Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it's a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It's not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
Our citizenry is headed right toward authoritarian dystopia. I think what we have in store is worse than death. If you were trans and black right now, you would not defend them. They are causing anxiety and suffering, and they absolutely do not care about the Genocide in Gaza. This surveillance state, widening inequality, constant war, rampant racism, homophobia, and everything else they are doing will destroy us all. We have no future. That is sick to me. Psychopaths win every time. These will too. I am just holding off until I need to die.
Yeah well that's a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn't work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn't a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.
I was about to comment on how no-one ever actually uses the 2A to do any good but then I gathered from context that I've slept through half a news cycle.
I just disagree with him. I suppose he would have said his own death was worth the price for freedom, right? So he proved his own point, but I just can’t get on board with it.
Talk about self-prophecy. Get shot after saying it's necessary and nobody give a damn so he can get no empathy like he wanted too. Why are people upset? He got everything he asked for. I'm happy for him. If he only wished for hugs instead of guns maybe he could have received that instead? Who knows, maybe not?
Either way the Law of Attraction is some serious shit.
The civil war has been happening but mostly it's just feds playing with themselves using pawns trying to entice real human beings to join in.
Look at all the history of the CIA and fed assassinations... And look at that kill shot.
Look at the joke assignations attempts they used on trump... Because he wasn't supposed to really die yet.
There's a reason Kirk died and Trump didn't.
They are both pawns, but Kirk was a lower pawn.
Legal Modern Mafia that sacrifices their own by extorting people to kill for them. The same as the game in the streets. The sad part is most people don't realize they are used.
You don't have to like him, but jeez people in here are messed up. I'm a little surprised that so many people are celebrating an ideological assassination. Democracy literally cannot survive if opinions are punishable by death, and that alone should be soundly condemned.
You guys don’t understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. I’m so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I can’t stand reading this shit anymore. I really can’t.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
I’ve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. I’m half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Y’all want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, I’d be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, that’s what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You can’t kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. I’m so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
Hi guys! Just because he was an awful person doesn't mean he deserves to die. I am actually horrified by how many people are condoning this, especially when this man has a family and a wife and it's not even like trump when it would have actually done anything for our country. all this has done has made a gigantic fuss and give fox news rage bait.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
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hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 448 pts · 338d
Nah empathy is for the weak.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 343 pts · 338d
I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.
He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
bacon_pdp@lemmy.world · 176 pts · 338d
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 112 pts · 338d
I wouldn't use the word "living".
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 33 pts · 338d
he would die for his beliefs
Serinus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 337d
Well, not voluntarily. There's a difference.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 338d
He was literally lying about mass shootings when he was shot:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 338d
Sounds like he was trying to push for taking away gun rights for trans people.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 337d
That, and then immediately dog whistling about minorities. Fuck him.
InputZero@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 337d
Well he's in hell now.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 337d
It wouldn't surprise me one bit.
wewbull@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 337d
Sometimes in the future...
"Mummy, what kind of man was Daddy?"
"Well... His final words were 'Counting or not counting gang violence?'"
merc@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 337d
He died doing what he loved, making excuses for gun violence.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 337d
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 338d
You don't; i doubt he consented, so it ckunts for nothing. but we can pretend we're laughing with rather than at him.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 163 pts · 338d
Wikipedia editors already 'was'ed all his 'is's 😂
PugJesus@piefed.social · 160 pts · 338d
lol. lmao, even.
Assassassin@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 338d
Hey, I said that.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 338d
Assassassin@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 338d
Thank you. You're a friend though, you don't have to use my full name. Just call me "Ass".
jokersteve@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 338d
Tinidril@midwest.social · 19 pts · 338d
"Charlie Kirk proven wrong."
BurgerBaron@piefed.social · 6 pts · 337d
It is Wednesday, my dudes.
Edce@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 337d
Thoughts and prayers
shittydwarf@piefed.social · 154 pts · 338d
Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 338d
Don't worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it's time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.
My advice to anyone else that isn't prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don't have long.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 338d
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 338d
"The shooter visited California once, where they were radicalized by the violent left."
"The shooter owned an iPhone, which is designed by Apple in California. The violent leftists are responsible."
"Liberals, who constantly demonize conservative speech, are responsible!"
There need not be any actual ties to Los Angeles, Chicago, or DC. They can cut any narrative they like from whole cloth. Denying reality and substituting their own is the rightist way.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 338d
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
icylobster@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 338d
For a lot of us we can't simply leave. And if we can, it could still take years for visas. If we are lucky it will be short, but I'm not too optimistic.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 337d
I'm not intending to leave my country to the Nazis.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 338d
Careful sounds like your guard is slipping...
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 338d
You should go off grid for a week and see what zombie apocalypse you've missed.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
This guy basically had a twilight zone when he reconnect.
7 Days Without Clocks or Windows
ideonek@piefed.social · 131 pts · 338d
Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein...
phoenixarise@lemmy.world · 127 pts · 337d
::: spoiler I guess some people can change.
:::
58008@lemmy.world · 112 pts · 338d
I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.
The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.
Source: History, memory...
P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀
NewPerspective@lemmy.world · 98 pts · 338d
Every gun owner should watch the front row video of what guns do to a human body.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 338d
Thing is most gun owners who hunt know. I saw a man shot at close range when I was in my early twenties. I wasn't involved, just passenger in a car nearby when it happened. The next day there was nothing about it in the papers. Nothing at all. This guy gets shot and no one cared.
I shot pigs for slaughter at close range right between the eyes when I was ten or eleven years old. All us kids took a turn and in some ways it was a good thing. Its good you know where meat comes from. Only a fool would think that shooting a person isn't going to result in a large amount of blood. That shot was in a region of the body that has closely grouped large arteries and veins. No surprise there was so much blood. Anyone who is surprised should be thankful they have never seen something like that before.
I saw that video of the man shooting himself in those faces of death videos back in the 90's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer I felt bad about it because they said he was a good man. As for Kirk I feel very little. His words have made me care very little for him. Similar to how I felt when that healthcare guy got deleted.
I realize I may be more desensitized to the things like this than most. At least I hope so.
Cypher@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 338d
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 10 pts · 338d
It is. It really should be a prerequisite for gun ownership: you have to kill something.
That is a threshold I can't personally cross, so I don't think I should own a gun (and I dont).
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 337d
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 337d
That's the point. A gun's purpose is to kill.
And I was thinking of the victim being an animal that needs to be euthanized or something.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 337d
Cynically, I think this has already happened. That horse has bolted.
Which is your say, I do agree with your argument, I just think it's already too late to argue it.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 336d
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 46 pts · 338d
If taser training includes being tased, gun training should include being shot.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 338d
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 33 pts · 338d
And when that person is Charlie Kirk it’s a beautiful thing.
NewPerspective@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 338d
Yup, I did. Now what? Am I supposed to feel bad that an asshole died?
NewPerspective@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 338d
No, but there was a shooting of 3 innocent students in Colorado today and now you know what happened to them. And the Uvalde students... Dozens of them...
db2@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 338d
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/shooting-evergreen-high-school-denver-metro-area/
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 338d
And disarming the working class while fascism runs amuck won't do a damn thing for them.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz · 31 pts · 338d
Meanwhile, your "working class" is armed to the teeth and fascism is still running amok.
femmylemmy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
The left is notoriously unarmed while the right is the reason our gun ownership is so high. At a time when the right threatens to take more and more away, this feels like a poor choice. Personally I agree with a very prominent leftist that the working class must be armed, and I feel that as those on the left we need to see the writing on the wall. The united states does not appear to be going a more peaceful direction, and if we want to keep having any rights for the workers at all we need to be ready to frustrate any attempt to disarm or otherwise neutralize us. In a world where the right does not threaten to take guns from trans folks or keep us from using our right to organize, we can talk about gun control again. Sadly we are sliding away from that so fast that I can't imagine where we will be at the end of this presidency.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 337d
Heh. The left talks about their guns less. They don't have guns on their Christmas cards with their kids as part of their identity.
But there are plenty of leftists with guns.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -20 pts · 338d
No it fucking isn't. Democrats have ensured that.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 338d
Ok buddy.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 337d
Making people think they don't need guns.
db2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
NewPerspective@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 338d
You're right, we already have a goal. There's no way we can do 2 things at once or one after another... Just impossible. Thank you for your insight.
Cruel@programming.dev · -10 pts · 337d
How do you know the 3 students shot weren't also assholes?
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -7 pts · 338d
Not that I disagree per se, but this just sounds like the STD powerpoint from middle school health class: useless by itself.
NewPerspective@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 338d
Tell me you got an STD without telling me you got an STD...
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
merc@sh.itjust.works · 95 pts · 337d
Great foreshadowing too.
Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".
Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says
It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 90 pts · 338d
This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 338d
Not too soon. Just in the neck of time.
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz · 87 pts · 338d
Aaaand this is how I found out. Good riddance!
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 338d
I found out from a clip wife showed me. Got no clue who he was but he was surrounded by MAGA hats.
Boy that was a lot of blood!
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 338d
Can you link me the clip? All I'm seeing are the versions on news sites
ickplant@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 338d
https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457 NSFL!
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 338d
Did he get hit in the neck? That's a lot of blood
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 12 pts · 337d
Yeah, kind of surprised there wasn't an arterial spray tbh.
Died in the middle of complaining about "gang violence" 👌
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 337d
The full quote is even more something out of a movie too somehow.
He had just been asked if he knew how many mass shootings had been committed by trans people, to which he responded "too many," and was then asked if he knew how many mass shootings happened in the past ten years, where he responded "with or without gang violence?"
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 337d
Dog whistle after dog whistle with that guy.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
That was not an easy watch.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 12 pts · 337d
I know, I had trouble breathing after laughing that hard
bunchberry@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 337d
I have been desensitize to it because my twitter timeline has been flooded with toddlers having their skulls hollowed out by the IDF. A live-streamed holocaust has kind of made violence seem not that abnormal to me, so it comes across as strange when politicians cry about people advocating for violence, when literally most of them support industrial-scale genocide of hundreds of thousands that I see dying on a day-to-day basis. That alone has changed me from a "violence is inherently bad" type mofo to a "I would celebrate if most of these American politicians were [redacted]" type mofo. Why should I care if a person who loves mass murder of children dies? It's called karma.
db2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 337d
Yeah, the video was too shakey and then that guy walks right in the way.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 337d
Been looking for the link but kind of immediately regretted watching that jesus fuck that's a lot of blood.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 338d
It's easy to find on theync
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 338d
to bad rubbish.
assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 337d
I don’t really agree with much about anything this guys says but at least he’s willing to commit to what he believes and leads by example.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 80 pts · 338d
America's Finest News Source
fodor@lemmy.zip · 77 pts · 337d
db2@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 338d
When you're about to wear your heart on your sleeve:
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
:::
griD@feddit.org · 44 pts · 338d
That is a fucking savage post. But, according to the victim, Empathy is a fault. Funny how that plays out.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 338d
the only reasonable course of action is to mock him mercilessly. it's what he would have wanted.
Okokimup@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 338d
FYI, spoiler tags do not work across all platforms.
db2@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 338d
I chose a moment to screenshot that wasn't over the top gore, it's fine.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 338d
The following moments looked like the blood splatter from a later Tarantino film. Soo much fucking blood.
db2@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 338d
His neck was recreating the elevator scene in The Shining.
Edit:
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 338d
Picked a bad day to wear a white shirt.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 338d
Though not the biggest of his problems.
Cort@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 338d
So not a full Marvin, from pulp fiction?
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 338d
No, Marvin got it in the skull and had hydrostatic shock. Charlie got a long distance tracheotomy.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 338d
Jesus Christ I shouldn't have laughed at that.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 338d
aw he looks like he's pooping his pants
wittle panty pooper with a wittle face
edit: remember, it's okay to make fun of Nazis
gibmiser@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
Jfc
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Oof where'd you get that????
db2@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 338d
Screenshot from the video link posted in another comment.
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 337d
Interesting, looks like it could have been a sniper round. Whoever did this was definitely prepared.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 338d
https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 73 pts · 338d
Wasn't sure where to post this since I'm not aware of a Lemmy equivalent of r/imgoingtohellforthis
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 51 pts · 338d
Political memes is probably fine at this point
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 338d
MaliciousKebab@sh.itjust.works · 67 pts · 337d
When the real life is so absurd, the shitposts are just posts. Anyway dude had it coming.
Kraiden@piefed.social · 62 pts · 338d
Thoughts and prayers, bitch
bobbyhillnevergrowsup@midwest.social · 62 pts · 338d
He died doing what he loved.
python@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 337d
Has he tried this tho?
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 57 pts · 338d
Mainstream corporate media will ignore this like they did the 2 democratic senators right? Right?
Ilandar@lemmy.today · 57 pts · 337d
Why didn't he just edit out his death, like he did with all the debates he lost? Is he stupid?
x4740N@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 337d
It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 338d
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 337d
The man lived and died by his words.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 337d
The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it's the Dems fault
smoker@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 337d
Why do god-given rights need to be protected?
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 337d
It is amazing what Trump does to distract from the Epstein files.
dumbass@leminal.space · 42 pts · 337d
Nah he's cold now, it's all good.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 338d
Wait what? Did someone off him??
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 90 pts · 338d
Yeah, news hasn't said he's dead yet, but the video is very gruesome. I don't see anyway he'd survive.
Very very not safe for work / lunch - click at your own risk. https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457
Edit: He's dead. https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna230437?amp_js_v=0.1&_gsa=1#webview=1
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 338d
Damn couldn’t happen to a nicer guy
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 338d
I was eating lunch when I watched it. I'm fine. I have empathy when I step on a bug. Not for hateful people like that though.
db2@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 338d
I was just thinking about that. Someone will whine about empathy sooner or later and I've come up with what I think is a pretty good response, feel free to use it if you agree.
Okokimup@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 338d
You can do even better. Charlie Kirk said "I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage"
Just tell them Kirk wouldn't want you to feel empathy.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 338d
Here is the correct response to people asking for empathy for Charlie Kirk.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage" -Charlie Kirk-
Randelung@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 338d
A friend is aghast at how I can react the way I do. My response is "do you think these 'just opinions' exist in a void?"
shani66@ani.social · 1 pts · 338d
yeah that was...very not gruesome? i've seen people hype it up but, like, that was nothing? unless you're afraid of blood i guess. most death i've seen in my life was way worse.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 337d
You shouldn't be so proud of being unbothered by watching a person bleeding out.
Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml · 36 pts · 338d
Jesus Christ, when someone said a fountain i thought they were playing it up
0x0@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 338d
That's a blood-rich area of the body.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 337d
Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 337d
Yes i know, but it's not something you see everyday in HD and close up.
Most of the gore videos I saw as a teen didn't even come close to how clear this was and i saw a cartel beheading video.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io · 33 pts · 338d
Clicked on it. Yeah that’s some NSFL stuff.
shani66@ani.social · 2 pts · 338d
eh. that was a good bit of blood, but if you've seen someone die outside of a hospital you've probably seen worse.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 338d
Yeah. Modern medicine is amazing, but that looks pretty much un-surviveable.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 337d
You'd be surprised. Trump would definitely have blabbed about it by now though
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 338d
Yeah, that's not a good place to get shot. AP news said he, "grabbed up with his right hand to his left shoulder" or some shit but that dude is unconscious immediately. Just that old "fencer's response" Prolly gonna die.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 338d
I unfortunately looked at it. The guy saying, "Yeah, gang violence" right before, is some weird shit.
Also, why would anyone kill him? He's been irrelevant for awhile now, yeah?
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 338d
“Violence “ was the last word that shitstain said in this world. 🤷🤷🤷🐆🐆🐆
Soup@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 338d
Not just “violence”, but actively trying to downplay mass shootings by blaming them on “gang violence”. He’s a goon, but at least he’s the best kind of goon(a dead one).
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 338d
Oh the irony. A fatuous right-wing fuckwhit who loves guns (but who hates trans people and abortions - freedom for me but not for theeee!) gets shot and killed on a campus that Republicans recently allowed concealed carry on campuses. https://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaff/new-rules-for-concealed-weapons-on-campus/
Soup@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
Lol, amazing
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 338d
Where were the good guys with guns??
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 338d
I'd love to know the context for maximum irony.
My thot sand prayers go to him, and I agree with OP.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 338d
From NYT (cw: gift link to live report with details of shooting):
Soup@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 338d
Yea, all that gang violence in all those schools, Chuck.
What a perfect time for him to be shot. It’s poetry, truly.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 337d
It's my personal belief with absolutely no evidence that the person asking the questions and the shooter were working together. Those questions and the timing of the shot are just too fucking perfect.
Soup@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
Life is stranger than fiction. Yes, the timing worked out, that doesn’t mean fuck all. This isn’t a movie, and sometimes timing can be unintentionally poetic. The shooter could hear them, too, and may have decided that was the moment they wished to fire the shot on their own accord. Those types of questions are asked all the time at these shitty debates, it’s not even remotely special and it’s even a topic that is one of the core things Kirk pushed pretty heavily.
Everyone’s making up all kinds of conspiracies when the highly likely, nearly guaranteed, reality is that it was someone who came to the conclusion that the systems present in the US would not only do nothing to punish Kirk for his hate but in fact reward him for it. The same thing happened to a certain health insurance CEO for the same reason. They took the law into their own hands because the law does exist to serve victims, only oppressors.
Yes, this means the violence all too present in the US has finally come to white conservatives. Deal with it.
Seleni@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
They’re trying to make him big again. So much for that, I guess
db2@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 338d
He really stuck his neck out for it, worked himself bloody. He took his shot.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 337d
Stuck to his guns
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 337d
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 338d
Fuck, glad I waited to smoke a joint on that one. That doesn't really seem survivable. Especially with the way the body moved. Though I want confirmation.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 338d
My mom is watching cable news and just texted me they said he died. I'll see if I can find a print version.
edit: He's dead. https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna230437?amp_js_v=0.1&_gsa=1#webview=1
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 338d
I'll wait for another source this dude is always lying.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 9 pts · 338d
AP has reported it now
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io · 5 pts · 338d
He’s a narcissist. He only lies to make himself look better.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 338d
Loved and admired by all!? Good with the youth!? I know we are not supposed to talk ill of the dead, but do we have to literally make up lies about him?
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 338d
Who needs an RSS feed? I can get curated news delivered to me in lemmy comments
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 336d
of course trump needed a big distraction, and now media is only focused on it right now. im pretty sure melania is a reaper, waiting til you pass so she can have your will.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
Fabulous!
janNatan@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 338d
I love all of you so much.
snooggums@piefed.world · 37 pts · 338d
Never too soon.
Mac@mander.xyz · 37 pts · 338d
Advocating for the removal of others rights is violence. This seems like self defense.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 337d
Have you even sent your thoughts and prayers yet?
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 33 pts · 337d
Shhh, do you hear that? That's the bullet headed to my neck.
If America, and the taxes we pay for them to kill, kills innocent civilians, and most of us go along everyday not giving a fuck then why should we give a single fuck about this?
Shit my paid taxes paid less for this than more monstrous murders. There's less blood on my hands from this murder than the Israel Gaza war or any other war. Basically my tax payments have paid for more heartless shit than this. Yet that's all cool and this is supposed to not be okay?
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 337d
Charlie Kirk died defending the 2nd Amendment 😂
AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 338d
Curious. He claims to be pro life, but dies
lmdnw@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 338d
Rot in piss, Charlie!!! Happy you’re dead
BakerBagel@midwest.social · 31 pts · 338d
I am so glad that i live in the timeline where Charlie Kirk was the sole victim of a school shooting. I'm glad he could die defending the Second Amendment
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 338d
A 9/11's eve miracle!
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 338d
He literally got what he asked for. You would hope it might give some of the other hate peddlers pause.....but I doubt it.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 338d
Hey, guy lived up to his lofty ideals. Can't fault him for that
Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 338d
Oh dear! Thoughts and prayers 🙏
If only there’d been a bad guy with a gun around to stop this.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 338d
Wearing a shirt that says FREEDOM while being shot in the neck. FAFO
icelimit@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 337d
What a terrible person to not miss.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 338d
robocall@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 338d
sundray@lemmus.org · 47 pts · 338d
Quick! Send the National Guard to occupy that blue state hellhole, Utah!
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 338d
hah trump called him a bottom
miked@piefed.social · 20 pts · 338d
I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.
Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.
Ghis@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 337d
Christmas came early this year T_T
I needed some catharsis.
nozone@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 338d
I wonder if the right wing "think" tanks who fund TPUSA are going to try to find a new grifter to run the show or let it die with Kirk and start a new thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/23/turning-point-rightwing-youth-group-critics-tactics
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 338d
Awwwwww.... damnit.... Why wasn't it Trump ‽‽
More, please.
Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 338d
His video gaming days are over. I am assuming that he played videogames.
If you’re nice to people and you’re a positive force in society and you do t associate with bad people, no one is going to hate you or laugh at you when you die. Heck all you need is to be neutral. The bar is pretty low.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 337d
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
~Ben Franklin.
(Realized this could be miss interpreted. I mean Kirk doesn't deserve neither liberty nor safety)
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 338d
First I heard he was shot and assumed not bad, found the video and… he was dead before be hit the ground
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 15 pts · 338d
I agree with his statement here. Oligarchs would love it if the working class were disarmed.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 338d
In most of the world, they are. And most of the world doesn't have fascists in charge.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Fascists absolutely love guns. The proof is right here in front of our faces. Guns will never protect us from fascists because violence is what they want.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · -7 pts · 338d
Who did the violence again?
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 337d
I am so sorry to hear your hero died AKA the great white MLK. If it is any solace he died proving his point. An "armed citizenry comes with a price" as he was found of saying.
Peace be with you.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · -8 pts · 337d
You're probably not very good at social interaction, are you? I didn't say anything praising him, I just intentionally spend time in left and right spaces so I understand both groups pretty well. It's depressing how many tools there everywhere, you aren't giving me much hope either.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 337d
Not at all, I just immediately suspected you of trolling based on what you said. I read your comment history and I confirmed my suspicion.
Speaking of social interactions, part of that is reading the room. This means understanding the temperature and leaning of the group you are discussing things with.
Kirk recognized this and very carefully crafted his image by omitting anytime someone put him in his place and using plausible deniability to conceal his misogynist and racist right wing viewpoints.
Your MLK comments were particularly interesting considering he was known for saying things like Martin Luther King Jr. is exaggerated, calling King “awful… not a good person.” and also calling the Civil Rights Movement "a huge mistake."
Perhaps you are just ill informed and made a mistake. From my viewpoint you could perhaps be just like him. Someone pushing a right wing agenda that is not afraid to lie and conceal the truth.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 337d
Quoth the tool
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 338d
I think most of the world's population does live under the thumb of authoritarian governments. I'm not only opposed to the fascist right, I'm opposed to authoritarian left too.
zenitsu@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 338d
Kirk survived because good guys with guns stopped the bad guys with guns, right?....right?
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 338d
Nope right on time.
bonus_crab@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 337d
i mean hes right. shoulda just been on the right side of history
krunklom@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 338d
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 338d
What was the saying with the good guy with a gun again?
LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 337d
He's even promoting shooting people who try to take your rights away.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 338d
"Not like THAT! Other peoples deaths!"
figjam@midwest.social · 13 pts · 338d
sic semper tyrannis
mcmxci@mimiclem.me · 12 pts · 338d
Just confirmed dead
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 338d
Not soon enough.
ikidd@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 338d
Two in the thoughts, one in the prayers, you shitbag.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 338d
Live by the sword...
solsangraal@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 338d
shani66@ani.social · 2 pts · 338d
that blood was pretty red and it was all over him, so i'd consider him red-blooded still
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 338d
Rest in piss, cunt
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 338d
Yes, but also you reap what you sow. I am sure he knows in his heart he had to die to protect second amendment rights! /S
Edit: Some gun deaths = 1,400 children and 45,000 adults.
VitabytesDev@feddit.nl · 11 pts · 337d
Second amendment you say
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 338d
And this was how I found out... The leopards will be eating well tonight...
SPRUNT@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 337d
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 336d
God given rights?
Didn't the British leave Britain for America to get away from the church and give themselves their own rights?
thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 338d
Gum control
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 338d
🏅
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 338d
Fucking stupid move. If he survives, he'll be a hero, if he dies, he'll be a martyr.
Well, a martyr he is...
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 16 pts · 338d
That depends on who is emboldened by the news.
Right-wingers might "good riddance, I got mine"
Left-wingers might "hey, we could get democracy back"
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 338d
I'm just sick of waiting around while the world slowly gets fucked over
get on with it and get it over with. hopefully the not-nazis win
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 338d
You can't murder your way into democracy.
shani66@ani.social · 20 pts · 338d
...where do you think most democracies came from?
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 337d
They must've been... Immaculately concieved.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 338d
Not from murdering people who speak their opinions.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 337d
What do do think Civil wars are then?
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 337d
Those aren't about murdering fellow citizens because of what they say.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 337d
That's news to me.
Because Civil wars are fought between fellow citizens and usally about positions those people have espoused.
Cypher@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 338d
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 337d
The irony of using the American revolution to justify murdering people for speaking their opinion...
Cypher@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 337d
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 337d
No your example is just really really bad
Cypher@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 337d
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 9 pts · 338d
The infrastructure for democracy is already there. It's just been shelved temporarily by the current admin.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 338d
Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it's a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It's not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 12 pts · 338d
This is just the trolley problem. If you can save 5 people by killing 1, is it correct to do so, or take no action?
Well, we've got lots of people taking no action, and look where that's got us.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 337d
You don't get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn't some complicated ethical dilemma.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 337d
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 337d
Tell that to Charlie. He advocated for that actual fucking reality.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 337d
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 337d
Dude you are sick
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 337d
Our citizenry is headed right toward authoritarian dystopia. I think what we have in store is worse than death. If you were trans and black right now, you would not defend them. They are causing anxiety and suffering, and they absolutely do not care about the Genocide in Gaza. This surveillance state, widening inequality, constant war, rampant racism, homophobia, and everything else they are doing will destroy us all. We have no future. That is sick to me. Psychopaths win every time. These will too. I am just holding off until I need to die.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 337d
Tell that to France.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 337d
Yeah well that's a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn't work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn't a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.
josefo@leminal.space · 11 pts · 338d
I don't think anybody thinks the United Healthcare CEO was a martyr, why would it be different here?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 337d
They are not god-given. And they are eroding quickly. Did guns help against that in any way?
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 338d
No. Leopards had a big meal today.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 337d
Not really; have you seen his face? It's all tiny. Hardly a snack.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 337d
They would full up on forehead
Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 338d
Thoughts and prayers.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 337d
I was about to comment on how no-one ever actually uses the 2A to do any good but then I gathered from context that I've slept through half a news cycle.
Fkin a
quacky@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 338d
rmuk@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 338d
He reaped what he sowed, may we all be so lucky.
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 337d
Dickhead memelord got where Mosley and Rockwell didn't.
ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 338d
Curious
Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 338d
It is possible to be empathetic about the manner of his death and the suffering it has caused while still being happy he is gone.
bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 338d
He's dead: https://www.trumpstruth.org/statuses/32921
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 338d
Or too late?
gonf@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 338d
It's his own fault. Nobody told him to trip and fall on those bullets.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 338d
RIP bozo, it’s jover!
zenitsu@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 338d
Shameless propagandist loser
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
Sucks to suck.
dumbass@leminal.space · 7 pts · 338d
Reality is healing.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
He got his own personal 2A.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
I just disagree with him. I suppose he would have said his own death was worth the price for freedom, right? So he proved his own point, but I just can’t get on board with it.
saimen@feddit.org · 6 pts · 337d
But not like that! Only the right rights! /s
Etterra@discuss.online · 6 pts · 338d
Never too soon. Enjoy the consequences of your actions in Hell, bub.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
Not fast enough in my opinion. Dude was a piece of shit and died for what he believed in. Fuck him.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Right on time. The consequences of your own inaction.
tresspass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Charlie Murk
qevlarr@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 337d
His face seems larger in this pic than usual
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
World's smallest violin plays.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 338d
tee hee
Inucune@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 338d
Translating this into MAGA-speak: "God called him home on the express... possibly Nitro. Who are we to question His plan?"
pachrist@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 337d
Horst Wessel shot and killed at Utah Valley University event.
I need this Onion article.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 338d
Nah, this is the right time
0x0@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 338d
Too late.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 336d
Gun deaths from the son of a sheriff deputy and care worker, y'know, the typical "homegrowns".
eigenraum@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 338d
„Deus vult“
plyth@feddit.org · 3 pts · 337d
His death doesn't proof him wrong. Drones and robots will, when the rights are taken and the weapons are not enough to defend them.
deckerrj05@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 318d
Talk about self-prophecy. Get shot after saying it's necessary and nobody give a damn so he can get no empathy like he wanted too. Why are people upset? He got everything he asked for. I'm happy for him. If he only wished for hugs instead of guns maybe he could have received that instead? Who knows, maybe not?
Either way the Law of Attraction is some serious shit.
d_o_o_m_g_u_y@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
Haa
pandore@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 334d
I'm curious about the math behind his equation.
How many times the second amendement has been used? I mean, actually used. How many deaths?
Iambus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
Very ironic
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 0 pts · 337d
"Kirked" is a verb. Past tense obviously. /S
The civil war has been happening but mostly it's just feds playing with themselves using pawns trying to entice real human beings to join in.
Look at all the history of the CIA and fed assassinations... And look at that kill shot.
Look at the joke assignations attempts they used on trump... Because he wasn't supposed to really die yet.
There's a reason Kirk died and Trump didn't.
They are both pawns, but Kirk was a lower pawn.
Legal Modern Mafia that sacrifices their own by extorting people to kill for them. The same as the game in the streets. The sad part is most people don't realize they are used.
iPiratestuff@discuss.tchncs.de · -6 pts · 336d
vga@sopuli.xyz · -6 pts · 337d
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 338d
You don't have to like him, but jeez people in here are messed up. I'm a little surprised that so many people are celebrating an ideological assassination. Democracy literally cannot survive if opinions are punishable by death, and that alone should be soundly condemned.
theangryseal@lemmy.world · -21 pts · 338d
You guys don’t understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. I’m so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I can’t stand reading this shit anymore. I really can’t.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
I’ve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. I’m half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Y’all want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, I’d be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, that’s what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You can’t kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. I’m so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
joan@lemmy.world · -25 pts · 338d
Hi guys! Just because he was an awful person doesn't mean he deserves to die. I am actually horrified by how many people are condoning this, especially when this man has a family and a wife and it's not even like trump when it would have actually done anything for our country. all this has done has made a gigantic fuss and give fox news rage bait.
Deadsoldier69@lemmy.world · -51 pts · 337d
RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk