The majority of the sweeping tariffs Donald Trump imposed during his second term face one final litmus test that will determine whether he can continue to levy them – and also whether businesses are eligible for massive refunds.
That potentially dramatic turn in the tariff saga comes after a federal appeals court ruled on Friday that Trump unlawfully leaned on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to impose across-the-board duties on countries.
Trump had used those powers to push import tax rates as high as 50% on India and Brazil – and as high as 145% on China earlier this year.
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omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 342 pts · 334d
Not only will the consumers never see a dime of any of the money if it's refunded, the companies aren't going to lower prices because you've already absorbed the price shock.
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 146 pts · 334d
Right. Everything today is about softening you up. They say, we will kill you—and you panic—then they roll it back to just losing an arm, and you’re happy about it.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 37 pts · 334d
Like a frog in boiling water.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 334d
No, that's the ratchet effect.
A frog boil is when you slowly raise the temperature so the frogs don't even realize they're being boiled.
An example of frog boiling is having national guard just roam around not doing anything. People are pissed out of principle, but they're not really doing anything for people to riot over. By the time they are, some people will be used to it already and not as pissed as if it was all at once.
Octavio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
Well, yeah...
That's like "dollars to doughnuts" became a thing when a dollar bought a dozen doughnuts. Now you can't buy a single doughnut for a dollar.
But idioms still remain in the original meaning despite them not making sense.
Zombie@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 334d
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 8 pts · 334d
Is that how frogs are cooked? Like a lobsters?
don@lemmy.ca · 34 pts · 334d
It’s a common myth that frogs will stay in boiling water if the water is heated slowly enough. They can sense heat and will most definitely attempt to escape.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
Not if you put a lid on!
don@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 334d
No, they’ll still attempt to escape.
mp3@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 334d
The heavy lid of tariffs 😬
Justas@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 334d
The original test had frogs brains removed. A brainless frog will not jump out of water when the temperature is slowly increased. If you increase the temperature quickly though, even a brainless frog will react to temperature change out of raw reflex.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 334d
Trying to get a frog to stay where you want it is difficult regardless of water temperature.
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 334d
I haven’t even heard that as a common myth. Lobsters, yes. We are lobsters. Frogs? Perhaps very obese frogs
MajinBlayze@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 334d
It's a misunderstanding of an old experiment where frogs were lobotomized before being exposed to the slowly rising temperature of the water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 334d
Fascinating. People are sick though.
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 333d
Frogs don't actually work like that but humans might.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 334d
This is called "price anchoring" when used in business. They throw out an outrageously high number to start and then follow it up with something less to make it seem like a good deal when that was really the price they wanted all along.
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
Alas, a lot people have already lost an arm and a leg and there's still no end in sight.
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 333d
If they’ve lost an arm and a leg that means they have another arm and a leg to lose! Capitalism! ;)
ericatty@infosec.pub · 18 pts · 334d
Ianal, I really hope there is some sort of class action that can be done to force companies to pass that back to consumers.
It should be easy enough to pass through to all the electronic pay methods.
Or force markup items to all be put on massive sale until an equal amount has been sold to make up the sales at markup.
There are no perfect solutions, some people will still make out like bandits.
But jfc, just releasing billions to these companies will only benefit the C-Level and maybe some shareholders, the people already benefiting, not the ones feeling the pain.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 334d
A class action just passes the money from one elite class (corporations) to another (class action lawyers). Consumers will get a virtual prepaid debit card for $1.97 in 5 years that can’t be spent anywhere because it can’t be used online and it costs $5 to have them mail you a physical card
Should get out guillotines
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 334d
100% this. Most I've ever seen out of a class action is somehwere between $5-$300. That's after you produce a mountain of receipts and paperwork. Only lawyers get rich.
sexybenfranklin@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 334d
You could always hire a lawyer of your own and sue the company directly. That's what someone did to have it become a class action lawsuit. The person who brought the original suit gets a big payout, and the people who did not generally get a much smaller piece of the pie.
venusaur@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 334d
Yeah I feel like this was already expected or part of some master plan. The companies didn’t lose because they passed it on to the consumer and then they’re gonna get money on top of it.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 334d
OMG stop. We've elected conspiracy theorists already and things are going to shit. We need to stop conspiratorial thinking.
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
Is it really conspiratorial when the Commerce Secretary's kids are literally selling financial products that pretty much assume the tariffs will be tossed in court? Sure as fuck seems to me like they planned this based on their already existing actions.
https://www.wired.com/story/cantor-fitzgerald-trump-tariff-refunds/
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 333d
Yes, yes it is. Accusations raised about grand conspiracy between companies and government with zero evidence provided other than "I feel like" is a conspiracy theory.
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
https://www.wired.com/story/cantor-fitzgerald-trump-tariff-refunds/
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 333d
So - relevant evidence not just any evidence of anything. Jesus Christ. Evidence of "Crime A" can't be used to support "Crime B".
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
This is what you said. I provided a well sourced article that literally confirms this was expected/planned and you're claiming that's not relevant? Yeah, I'm good with not talking to you anymore.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 334d
It also gives trump an out from "tarrif checks" he was talking about.
Likely the reason they started talking about those, is anticipation that they may be overturned. Now his supporters will be mad the "deep state" took "their checks" that they were never gonna get.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
See: the gas price jump in 2008-ish
ALLGLORYTOHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.world · 113 pts · 334d
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 334d
The businesses will raise a lawsuit that the money is theirs and you will lose again.
3abas@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 334d
And the prices won't go back down.
shplane@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 334d
And half the country will blame immigrants and trans people
Goretantath@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 334d
This exactly.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
Congress: "Sorry, best we can do is another tax break for the rich."
kevin2107@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
Fuck corpos
radiofreebc@lemmy.world · 82 pts · 334d
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 334d
Wouldn't bring back the small businesses that have already been killed anyway. My favorite coffee shop just closed, and my independent artisan friends are barely selling anything any more.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 333d
All that money will go to the businesses, you’ll get a coupon for $1 off and a free credit check.
Decq@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 333d
Wouldn't surprise if this is part of the scam. Put on tarrifs, hike prices. Let the customer pay and then give companies a rebate with tax money. So the average citizen is charged twice. And of course those price hikes will only go partially down. So the consumer keeps getting screwed.
gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 333d
Soon "See, this is yet another example of why we can't trust the government to do anything right and why we should defund and shutter all of our public institutions." - moderate pundit on well respected mainstream news channel
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 333d
The average citizen is charged more than twice when you consider that they're paying a much higher tax rate than the ultra-wealthy.
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 333d
It is. Trump has his own stablecoin. That means he needs to hold massive $ reserves. So high rates due to lots of government debt are good for Trump.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 333d
You think the price hikes are going down? Lol
saimen@feddit.org · 1 pts · 332d
Hmm, sounds like politics made for billionaires, hmmm.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
And they'll continue to raise prices. It will become the new "supply chain issues".
Mobiuthuselah@mander.xyz · 58 pts · 334d
Was it not the end consumer who paid those tariffs?? Frankly, I'd rather it be given back to the business at least, but let's not pretend that they didn't extract it from their customers. End it so that other companies can't as easily gouge based on the idea of tariffs.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 334d
Yes, the business just collected it. However, it would also depend on whether they upped their prices to do so.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 334d
(they did)
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 334d
Many (most?) did but not always like for like. This will have the double effect of making American manufacturing less attractive as your competitive edge due to tariffs could evaporate. It also means importers will pass it on straight away as it's clear to consumers that it's a government tax. Moreso as we go on. Previously, the uninformed thought the tariffs were not paid by consumers.
nocturne@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 334d
It is whomever imported the item that pays. If you order directly from a tariffed country you pay. If American_Business_01 imports stuff they pay, they then either eat the tariff, raise their price to retailers and distribution (this is what is happening in the non-video game industry). Some businesses are raising MSRP and spreading the tariff between themselves, distribution, retailers, and consumers. Some companies are trying to dump it all on retailers by not raising msrp.
lemmysquezzy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 333d
How far does this refund go? My distributor paid the tarrifs and then passed that cost onto me, which I passed onto my customers.
Will my customers, distributors, or myself be refunded? I assume just my distributor since they directly paid the tarrif. And I doubt prices will come down when tarrifs end, so everything is permanently more expensive for no fucking reason, and the top middle man just boosted his profit margin through the roof.
moakley@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 333d
So that would mean that the Trump tariffs were sending American money overseas for no reason. I doubt it'll actually happen, but holy shit is Trump an incompetent idiot.
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 333d
No, the US company recieving the import pays the tarrif to the US government.
But yes, Trump is an idiot.
moakley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 333d
Oh, duh. I'm embarrassed I got it confused. I was thinking that the cost is passed on to the importer, but it's actually paid by the importer.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 333d
Yeah they aren't telling companies you have to pay to send your product here, because there would be no way to collect that, as they aren't governed by us. (Trolls standing on a bridge comes to mind). Instead every item imported into the country is bought by someone, that someone has to have an itemized list of what they purchased to go through customs and what not to make sure they aren't crates full of dynamite, or plant seeds that are unauthorized. That inventory and costs are then taxed by the government or held by customs I believe.
e.g. If Paul sets a tariff on Amazon orders at his house, his wife orders a package off Amazon. USPS or whomever delivers the package, Paul's security guard, likely Paul himself gets the inventory of the packages that arrive, see it is from Amazon and charges his wife 50% of that cost to take it into the house. Amazon has no part in that process. Buttt what it may do is make Puals wife less likely to order from Amazon, IF it is cheaper to get the product from someone else then. If the product was $50 on Amazon, and $100 at the store, she would still buy it off Amazon as she would still only pay $75 after the tax, instead of $100.
Paul just made $25 in taxes that he can invest into the house. His wife spent $25 more. Amazon made the same, but may lose future business.
moakley@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
Right. I was thinking of the suspension of the de minimis exemption. Because that's an $80 fee that the exporter does have to pay, if I understand it correctly.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
Those are paid by the importer as far as I understand. The di minimus exemption that was passed was essentially supposed to make it so low cost items bought from other countries were exempt from tariffs/taxes. This meant that if you ordered something from Brazil, China, wherever and it was under a certain amount (think it was $800) it would just go through without being hit by the tax. Thus making it cheaper for the end buyer. Trump made an executive order to stop that because that would exempt a lot of people from getting hit by the taxes. Which was put in place with both parties supporting it... So it's solely a new maga tariff thing in my opinion. Buy a $3 million server rack from elsewhere, pay a fee, buy a new shirt, would be exempt. But Trump didn't want that, so he claimed it would reduce security and allow drugs into the country or some shit.
moakley@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
Right. There was an Australian redditor who made his living selling handmade wallets, but he had to shut it down because the price just went up $80 per wallet. Fucking idiotic.
DancingBear@midwest.social · 6 pts · 333d
paperazzi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 333d
Yes, yes he is and that was abundantly clear from his first term. But at least the female POC didn't get in, right? Dodged a bullet there.
/s of course
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 333d
What are you distributing?
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
I'm a locksmith, I mostly program car keys for customers. Basically every car key is produced overseas.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 333d
Is the Syracuse factory not producing anymore?
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
I'm not sure what you're talking about. But Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Volvo, Volkswagon, and Mercedes keys are definitely made overseas.
And considering the price increases I'm seeing on Fiat (Jeep, Dodge,, Chrystler) and Ford keys, I assume they are too. GM prices have risen the least, but they too are more expensive, probably because raw materials are being tarrifed.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 331d
Cool!
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 54 pts · 334d
So the idiot who managed to ruin every business he ever owned created an absolute clusterfuck running the US, who could've known?
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 19 pts · 334d
Hey now, he only serially ruined businesses in order to enrich himself. Dodging taxes and shit like that makes him a good businessman, actually. Just ask my old boss. He'll tell you all about trump's genius business acumen in excruciating detail all day long. Yes, he does own his own business, no it's not doing well but he's got a corvette, so he's pretty sure he's right.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
Points for consistency? 🤷♂️
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 47 pts · 333d
Am I getting a refund on the higher prices I'm paying because of tariffs?
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 333d
The tariffs will go away, but the companies have realised that you're okay with paying $10 for something that used to cost $8 anyway so you'll be paying $10 from now on
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 333d
The only solution is to confiscate all wealth over $100 million, and use it to establish Health Care 4 All, free college/trade, UBI, minimum living wage, public services, etc.
Octavio@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 332d
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su · 3 pts · 332d
The world would be a better place.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 332d
I'll just remind everyone that the people making those ghoulish decisions have home addresses. Just normal homes in normal neighborhoods, most often without any extra security.
Be a shame if they suddenly realized there were consequences for social murder.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 332d
They've been shrinkflating the shit out of everything so much.
I've recently noticed a stick of deodorant from Costco seems to be the same (already shrunken over the years) plastic shell with less actual deodorant in it.
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su · 2 pts · 332d
It's all about seeing how little we're willing to accept, and then conditioning us to accept even less.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
Until they decide to change it again in 3-6 months.
NickwithaC@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 333d
lol
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
Nah you get the bill citizen. Don't worry, glorious leader will have another illegal act for you to pay the fine for soon too
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 332d
yeah its like fuck that. do like the covid checks.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 46 pts · 333d
Eehhh, consumers paid this, not the businesses. This way businesses would essentially get a bonus
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 333d
That's the point of Republican business support. Remember COVID, where businesses got money to "survive"?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 332d
Well, consumers paid first and foremost, but businesses lost revenue because consumers kinda stop buying shit when it doubles in price - other than essentials, of course. It's also easier to pay a bunch of businesses than to pay 300 million Americans. Oh wait, they've already done the latter, so how about do that again and people can spend the money to buy more shit from said businesses and everyone wins?
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 40 pts · 333d
People haven't caught on to the grift yet. One of the people in the committee who runs the tariff decisions literally runs a financial/law institution that since the tariffs started, has been contracting with companies to pay a portions (10, 20, 40%) of the tariffs to "ease the load on the companies" but they retain the rights, in the case of what is going on i.e. tariffs being recalled and paid back, to take 100% of the tariff payback.
So a government official is steering the tariff policy to essentially steal money from companies with some alight risk of the tariffs not getting overturned. Crazy grift.
SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 333d
If you have a source for that could you post it?
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 27 pts · 333d
Sure
https://www.wired.com/story/cantor-fitzgerald-trump-tariff-refunds/
https://thedeepdive.ca/howard-lutnicks-sons-running-his-old-firm-are-betting-against-trump-tariffs/
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 333d
Spoiler alert: even if Donny loses this battle he won’t pay anyone anything he never has and never will admit to losing or owning anything to anyone.
Tinidril@midwest.social · 21 pts · 332d
It's not Donny's money. What will happen is that importers will pass the tariffs onto consumers, as they pretty much have to, then the tariffs will be overturned and the money given back to importers, thus robbing regular people once again and transferring wealth to the capitalists.
KeavesSharpi@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 332d
I doubt the importers will be refunded. Obviously if they were, 90%+ will not refund their customers because why would they? I can imagine class action lawsuits down the road, but honestly I predict the supreme court will overturn any lower court rulings and let him tariff away, saying it's the congress's job to reign him in since "it's their prerogative" or some such, in a 6-3 ruling. If they wanted to stop the tariffs, the majority will argue, they could simply cancel them.
Tinidril@midwest.social · 1 pts · 332d
I obviously grasp the injustice, but I can't imagine what the basis of a class action would be. If you agree to buy a product for $5 and they supply said product, the courts aren't going to care if their cost for it was $4 or $2. There is no constitutional right to suppliers with low profit margins.
KeavesSharpi@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 332d
If there was a tariff fee in the invoice, there would be standing.
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
That's right. He won't pay us back because he has already launder the money into his own pocket
njm1314@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 333d
Oh so we get to pay twice then. Great.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 333d
None of us will see any money refunded. Remember that this is all planned out to make products more expensive for americans, so we get used to the higher prices. Then the companies with hundreds of millions in profit can make more profit when costs for them go down, they keep our prices the same and also SHRINK the size of the product.
Corporations are stealing from Americans every day and politicians are all in on the scam, so no one will do anything about it.
oatscoop@midwest.social · 7 pts · 333d
"Look, we lowered prices!" -- ignoring that the new "lower" prices are still higher than the pre-tariff prices.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 333d
how would refund like this even work? Many businesses closed shop entirely due to these tarrifs, could they sue the government too? This would be crazy and this massive overhead risk could block the entire thing.
bigfondue@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 333d
Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 333d
Yuuuuuup! One of the key parts of planning policies is evaluating its strength in court. SCOTUS gave the executive branch a free pass to just try anything with zero consequences. Why bother asking if something is legal when it literally doesn't matter if it isn't.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 333d
Most likely the only ones getting refunds are those joined to the law suit that got the tariffs removed. Everyone else is SOL.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 333d
No refunds, sorry.
TipRing@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 334d
Surely the price hikes will reverse at that point and won't just remain higher indefinitely causing another price/price inflationary spiral.
amzd@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
The companies importing products sold their debt to massive debt collecting firms who will receive the rebate so no.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 334d
$200 billion / 330 million Americans = $606 each. More or less.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
And that's just the illegal tariffs.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 334d
Never mind the consumers eh? WE are the ones most directly affected. Businesses lost nothing
drmoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
plenty of businesses literally closed FYI
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 333d
To avoid paying tarrifs
drmoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
Well they just couldn't compete and make profit. This would be akin to direct damages
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
Nobody else was given that option. WE all had/have to swallow it or starve. Shutting down and waiting on them to go away is not qualification for repayment since you didn't pay. You voluntarily gave your business up. That deserves no reward
drmoose@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 333d
Nah not a lawyer but there's precedent where illegal government policy can be held liable for business closing. The contract between a business and government vs citizen and government is very different and you conflate both for whatever reason.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 334d
When do Trump and the magats drink the poison koolaid? I’m getting impatient
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 7 pts · 334d
I don't think that happens until command gets forced into the bunker and the army is defeated.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 333d
75-85 million people died before that happened
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 333d
Hrm, 77 million people voted for him...
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 3 pts · 333d
and this time we have nukes from the start
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
Hoping for Trumplethinskin to kick the bucket soon. It'll be a doozy. I can barely contain myself watching the news of him looking decrepit.
Chainweasel@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 334d
The Businesses didn't pay the tariffs, We did.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 334d
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 334d
And the prices? Oh nothing will fundamentally change 😉
_wizard@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 334d
How much of that will be pocketed by his cronies because the rules for payout were vague enough for their random LLC.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 334d
Pretty sure refunded tariffs will be based on transactions and... Yeah you are right nevermind.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 334d
Yeah F that.
American consumers need to get the refund, not the corporations.
And009@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 334d
That was the plan all along
pennomi@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 334d
rhvg@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 334d
No worries , you have a supreme court good at ruling by vibe.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 334d
Increasing the uncertainty is not necessarily beneficial either. Businesses won't want to keep changing their pricing. People don't want to plan their purchases around whether tariffs are likely to change up or down in the future. Their instinct will be to wait.
The tariffs were illegal in how they were implemented but Congress could easily do it and would follow his instructions as they have done before.
It's a shit show, as expected.
teft@piefed.social · 1 pts · 333d
Uh congress couldn’t easily implement tariffs though. How would they muster 60 votes in the senate to break the filibuster?
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 333d
You have more faith in the democrats than I do. They won't filibuster tariffs with a shutdown looming that is clearly trumps causing, but they don't want the blame.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 334d
iglou@programming.dev · 3 pts · 333d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 332d
We're never fucking financially recovering from this administration
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
They always claim they are the party of financial responsibility. Lets see how responsible they'll handle it.
I assume they will do like with their self-proclaimed "law and order" image, with which they put a felon in the White House, and where the AG is busy obstructing justice by wiping Republicans from a list of pedophiles instead of actually fighting crime.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 333d
Trump asks Supreme Court to quickly take up tariffs case and reverse ruling finding them illegal
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 333d
AKA: Trump's standard delaying tactic whenever he gets ruled against.
Appeal everything no matter how ridiculous, just to waste time and allow him to keep doing whatever shitty thing for a few more months/years until all appeal venues are exhausted.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
He’s already spent it on bling from Kohl’s.
C1pher@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
Art of the deal?
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
Only that the artist is none.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 333d
Seeing that our Judicial branch is limping along, and at least attempting to curtail this march toward totalitarianism, gives me hope.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if this happens.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 333d
He regularly ignores court orders with zero consequences. He has empirically proven that the courts can say whatever they want but he doesn’t have to listen.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
Those businesses will never see a goddamn cent
thefluffiest@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 334d
Thanks CNN. Now the Supreme Court justices know their asking price
aramis87@fedia.io · 6 pts · 334d
Turns out either I can't read or can't math.
Funny how the refund works out to a total of about 60 cents per American, when I know I've paid WAY more than that in tariff-related bullshit.CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 4 pts · 334d
60 cents? You may have confused "billion" for "million" somewhere, unless I'm misunderstanding you, in which case we'd be talking closer to $600
aramis87@fedia.io · 2 pts · 334d
Whoops, you're right! Thanks :)
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
Or else what?
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 334d
It shouldn’t go back to businesses, it should be a tax credit (with documentation.)
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
Cool. Can other countries sue for the damage it caused to their industries as well?
einlander@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 334d
Don't worry, the supremes will make it all go away.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 333d
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 334d
The money will go back to American businesses, which means American consumers. That means that's more proof that Americans are paying for the tariffs.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 334d
Not a single cent will go to American consumers. If the American companies win this lawsuit (and don't get me wrong, they should), they will keep the money and will not lower their prices even after the tariffs are removed.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 334d
Oh for sure, I'm just saying that the money going back to American businesses proves that this isn't hurting foreign companies and we're paying for the tariffs.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 333d
Oh yes, of course.
apftwb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
And then the businesses will pass that refund onto the consumer, right?... Right?
lemmysquezzy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
Can you imagine having to refund ~6 months of US Imports? The paperwork alone would take years. Each entry would have to be re-verified with customs. Not to mention the staffing increase for CBP to process the refunds. I don't see SCOTUS not enforcing this.
lemmysquezzy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 94d
Introduction to CAPE, called it
buzz86us@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
Hopefully this means i might be able to get an Xpeng. Tired of waiting for our manufacturers to catch up.