There is also only office which has better compatibility with MSOffice file types

I second this. There's a little bit of a learning curve on some of the functionality, but it's not bad at all. And most of the functionality is very easy to find. I moved over to Libre Office several years ago and it's been great.

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It'll be like Google: everything goes in, nothing comes out unless you jump through difficult hoops, price continually goes up.

No, they upload your file, delete the local file, then oopsie, you ran out of cloud storage, please pay $99/month to access your files.

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Thanks, going to try out LibreOffice. Does it has same (or similar) functions as Word itself?

I'm 99% of the way on LibreOffice. Gave it a solid go, but the main thing I use in excel is too cumbersome in Libre. I think it's a great option for many people though.

As a clueless individual, how are they assisting genocide?

Microsoft has already said it doesn't matter where your data is stored, it isn't safe from the United States.

But you can change this behaviour in settings, it's just the default for now.

So, if you don't trust Microsoft to handle your documents, but still somehow use MS Word and OneDrive, for the moment you can still stop it from saving your Word documents to their servers.

wdym, that's the point

OnlyOffice gang https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx

tip: Only write about the revolution, short stories about your hatred of capitalism, your suicide plans, your teenage angst, and erotic anthropomorphic horse fan fiction.

For everything else, use LibreOffice.

So just bpmb threats and realistic beastiality. Got it.

Tina Belcher?

Ensure to make sure every doc has 17 giant sized images saying FU MS

I love to kill cops in GTA

“Fuck you, Microsoft.” -Everyone, at all times

Eh, that game where you had two gorillas standing on buildings lobbing exploding bananas at each other was pretty cool.

Writer and Impress should cover Word and Powerpoint perfectly. Even if your colleagues use Windows, you can still open them just fine.

Excel though is troublesome, especially those with coded VBA or some plugins from companies. But for basic Excel? Calc can do the job ok too.

Laughs in LaTeX?

Google doc for me. It is free and it is good enough. /S

LLM's out here running wild. How Rude.Maybe I should switch to Linux again.

They'd break SO MANY international and data security laws if they tried breaking into people's OneDrive, it'd be hilarious to see the number of lawsuits they'd lose by default.

I love LibreOffice, but I wish there was an Android app. I've even considered learning more app development to try and help, but it's such a daunting task.

you can turn it off (for now)

until your computer force reboots itself in the middle of the day to do updates it didn't tell you about, and you log back in and later that night find it uploaded all your shit to the cloud and just for good measure deleted some of it too as a fuck you

it's the Microsoft way

The true opt out is to stop using Microsoft products

I don't trust Microsoft not to flip that switch back when I'm not looking.

Microsoft all about opting out rather than opting in.

Perks of not signing into Windows/Office with a Microsoft account.... Oh wait

You're thinking as an individual. Excel in the business is what keeps Office afloat. There simply is no substitute. Even if you want to go with another spreadsheet, who's going to trust that to faithfully import Excel data?

Tell that to my companies president.

I would guess we're on the fuck around part and your question will be answered on the find out part

By their admins setting HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Common\General PreferCloudSaveLocations to 0 using GPO probably

A cybersecurity firm knows better.

No for most it's customers and an option for them all. MS is very clear in its policies. Any AI services you use, isn't sent back for training. The policy is very clearly explained and one of the clearer ones.

Business or enterprise users data isn't trained and individuals data can opt out

Auto save on cloud sucks.

Depends on the cloud. I like my files being automatically backed up to my private Nextcloud server.

Auto save on cloud sucks

Why?

Last time I checked there was Copilot integration in NotePad. So I wouldn't assume WordPad is safe from anything

Mr Tingle, its an honor, and you should be at the moment, but please consider a more proper way of writing literature such as LaTeX or Vim

Chuck Tingle, is that you?

For now... Next update they'll add Copilot to it for reasons.

It depends how gay is it? And do dinosaurs mate in packs?

Scrivener ftw

and also "let us train copilot on your college essays".

You get deported to Uganda.

Just use libreoffice

I'd rather chisel text onto stone tablets than that bs.

I actually installed WordPerfect 6 for DOS and MS Word for DOS recently. They're very relaxing for writing and fast too. Then I use LibreOffice to convert the documents to more modern formats if needed.

Is this on Macs too?!?

Not mine, then again I use nothing Microsoft on my Mac.

/ per year

I do wonder how my copy of Word 2010 at my work is going to do this.

The slider you're mentioning is specifically for cloud sync, correct. But as far as I know Word still does the thingy where it will periodically snapshot and allow you to recover previous versions.

I'm not 100% sure because I don't use it at home anymore but I still do at work.

there is a reaching hand that goes further than just using it for work.

lets say you open libreoffice writer and write a party invite. you send this party invite to a friend - they are invited to your party.

your friend opens it in MSWord, its uploaded to the cloud and scraped for all of your personal data to train their AI and to be sold to the lowest bidder.

you had and want nothing to do with microsoft, but they are still harvesting your data.

I mean, I'm in the same boat. This doesn't effect me except for work stuff. But here's the thing, all of my documents are already backed up to the cloud via OneDrive settings. So this is redundant at best.

At the end of the day, one of the reasons I hate the MS experience is because they push things on you. Its not your PC, its theirs. Hey, you want to use OneDrive? No? Are you sure? No? Are you really sure? No? Why don't I just turn it on for you so you can see how great it is. You must have turned it off by accident, let me turn it back on. OK, OK I get it you really don't want to use onedrive. Oh, I forgot that fact once our annual update came out and undid that setting. You straight out uninstalled onedirve and altered your registry? Ok, how about we just upload Word documents for you.

Part of why I still hate it at work; work knows almost everything about me. People with poor understanding of PII have my personal information, and use MS products. Microsoft knows all of that, and everything that I type, the notes I make, the phrases I use, inferences on my interests, and can combine that with other profiles. It helps put together a much more complete picture and profile of me and why I interface with. And I can't opt out, can't use Linux, and can't just go somewhere else to avoid it.

I used nano for over 10y, I'm a nvimer now.

I just can't ever go back to office UI stuff. For my designs I still have Krita and Inkscape.

Turning it on by default (opt-out instead of opt-in) is still a huge concern and needs spreading the word about.

This is why Microsoft is making it damn near impossible to set up a new computer without logging into a Microsoft account. Luckily the OOBE trick still works (for now).

Office 365 requires an account to validate the license. Potentially it might work differently for the long term licensed versions (which features released to O365 now wouldn't reach until the next LTSC release), but I've not performed the initial install and licensing of those for clients yet

Or for home users who aren't already invested in a Microsoft ecosystem your best bet is to just use Libre Office

Edit: I accidentally made Office exclusive to leap years!

Office is the product that helped keep Microsoft ticking over. The world is too dependant on Office and people won’t abandon it just because of this.

My fat fingers keep trying to type Microsoft Orifice.

They're rent-seeking, more than they already are. The data must flow for training, actively burned bridges be damned.

I'm pretty sure most regular users will not even notice the charge, and find it useful down the line. Cause one day they will mess something up, complain to MS that they "lost their work", will be pointed to the cloud where everything was synced, and rejoice. Most users don't really care about the implications that their documents are in the cloud.

Actually it had auto save for more than a decade. It's just that now they removed the ability to autosave locally, it must be to onedrive.

Google Docs has been a thing for 20 years? Wow I feel old

I stopped at MS Word 2.0, when the Microsoft people agreed with me that it was pretty much broken for large files, and pointed me to an FTP site where there was a new version... which also was broken. Long story short, that's when I first installed Linux and ran LaTeX and Applixware.

Markdown is great for that. There also are some WYSIWYG and a lot of side-view editors. If you still want Word-alike, there's lots of office suites aside from Office 365. Or is it about saving notes to cloud? Even more solutions just for that, aside from plain file-sync clouds.

Time to learn another language then mix them

Siu Mit USA De Fa Si Si Zu Yi
The Only Good Fa Xi Si Zu Yi Ze Hai Sei Zo Ge

(Destroy fascism in the USA
The only good fascist is a dead one)

Now just need to transpose that and replace some characters. Of course, making it offline would greatly reduce government/corporate surveillance threats. As long as your family aren't cryptographers, they won't be able to decrypt it.

(Its Tri-Lingual. Cantonese Jyutping, Mandarin Pinyin, and English of course. Romanization of characters makes it harder to guess words especially when it gets transposed with a bunch of others.)

Bullshit like like often only applies to the consumer, not the business version.

It's on per default when signed in to OneDrive. Actually a really nice feature tbh. However, you will be promoted to hell and back if you aren't signed in to OneDrive. I like the feature for work but I don't like the idea of it being the default setting.

"If you don't have another cloud destination, don't worry... we'll automatically save it to your OneDrive account we FORCED you to get when you activated your operating system. Why no! You CAN'T turn it off! Also, we won't let you edit your files without internet connectivity. You can never be too safe!"

Literally the ONLY thing stopping this from happening is they don't think they can get away with it yet. I'm NOT going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad idea.

No, this is a bad idea. It's a terrible idea.

What you said is like saying "well, I need surgery, having the monkey from the forest come at me with a knife is better than nothing."

Microsoft has proven themselves over and over to be the last company you should trust with your data. Even recently they've been responsible for losing a life's worth of data because of OneDrive

They're already uploading people's data off of their computers to OneDrive without consent, then deleting the local copies.

Plus their tech work culture is lacking. When they screwed something up with Office 365 and Outlook wasn't available for over 18 hours (for basically the whole world), their response was a tweet that it's fixed.

Whereas CloudFlare messed up something for only an hour, they released a comprehensive breakdown on their blog of what happened, what the root cause was, and what they're going to do to prevent it from happening again.

Which company seems reliable to you?

A definite plus if one option is to backup to self-hosted platforms.