No, that didn't fix it. After more comments accumulated, the glitch just shifted to a different image comment. Glitch still exists, and I've reported and updated my findings with the Jerboa developers community.
Edit: If you care to follow, here's my post to the Jerboa community..
Yeah, I've been having trouble with my feeds not refreshing once I've scrolled down to the "bottom" of what has initially loaded. Been driving me bonkers. Shame, because I rather like Jerboa, but I'm probably going to start scouting for alternatives or sacrifice convenience and stick to a desktop browser.
I find myself happy enough with Jerboa. I don't often experience bugs, but when I do, I make a point to report it to their dev team. They do listen and make a point to iron out the bugs, eventually..
Ok, yeah I'm seeing the issue now, I can scroll down, but 'infinite' scroll back up so to speak, where is just throwing what I'm viewing back down a handful of posts etc. Hopefully an easy enough fix for them.
The tricky part with weird bugs like this is stumbling into a post that somehow triggers the bug. I have no clue what's causing it, but I made sure to pass the info to the developer community.
A floppy disk is fine, just like Photoshop uses terms like dodge and burn, references to obsolete dark room methods, like cutting and “pasting” were literally how some layout projects worked.
Referencing the last physical incarnation of saving a file seems fitting!
CD wasn't even the last physical media that was adopted widely. Technically I think that may be thumbdrives for now, but there were some tape and disc shaped, but high density for the time (like 20MB to 100MB for the disk shaped one, and 1GB to 2GB tapes.) and named something I don't remember, media options that were created in the late '90s early '00s before thumbdrives became a thing.
I did photography at college a few years before digital technology took off. The old dodge and burn was way more fun. There was no undo button so you had to remember what gets done where and keep refining the print. It took ages. And the chemical smells were amazing!
How the fuck is a floppy the last physical incarnation of saving a file? HDDs and SSDs are not made out ether.
If you mean save media you commonly interact with, USB thumb drives still exist. Considering computers becoming much more commonplace in their era they probably have been actually used by more people than floppies.
Web app > data is in temp > save commits it to disk
Offline app > data is in temp > save commits it to disk
does "temp" meaning RAM, user directory, remote cloud directory, browser temp files, WordPress backend db and "disk" meaning hard drive or one-drive or Google drive or the permanent remote cloud directory, or production db significantly alter the concept of the function?
Might be controversial, but I think "no." I don't think there is a difference between me "saving", for example, a web page in WordPress as the final version, and me "saving" the offline wire frame design to my hard drive, and me "saving" a PDF of the web page to my downloads folder.
Tell that to anyone needing a large amount of storage that is instantly available; the newest HDDs with 30TB storage hit the central European market this July.
It's just the download button, truly. They already associate that icon with saving files from the web. The down arrow pointing to a rectangle or laptop icon in word or similar app wouldn't be too ambiguous...
Or, truly, the floppy will just become a nebulous, originless heiroglyph meaning "keep this information for later and let me put it somewhere to find it again," and some Gen. Beta child will get curious and learn about ye olde days of magnetic media from Wikipedia.
I once saw a usb thumb drive as an icon. Guess it didn't take off.
It might be the best actually since they're still around and, never say never, may not go anywhere. Though a USBA icon will confuse the USBC crowd soon enough.
A lot of consumers don't work on their computers. They either bring it to a computer repair store or buy a new one if they don't have a family member or friend who can fix it for them.
As for what exact percentage of people in the world work on their own computers, I'm not sure if that has been studied. PC gamers often build their own PC, but many may buy a pre-built instead.
I didn't interpret their comment as suggesting that modern consumers would be familiar with a floppy disk, but instead was pointing out that regular consumers in the past often handled floppy disks, which made a good case for it being a common symbol at that time. However, since SSD's aren't used so commonly by average consumers, it may not make a good replacement as a symbol.
That would suggest that perhaps there is a more commonly recognized object that can be represented skeuomorphically. Off the top of my head, an SD card may be a good option.
So OneDrive actually saved me a ton of time this year at work. We implemented it at the end of last year, and we had a lot of problems with it at first.
So usually something would go wrong, and it was my job to dig deep and figure out what caused it. But for the first half of this year, I could just say, "I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it's OneDrive," and then I could relax and do something else.
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things, and also reinstalling itself for no reason. A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it. I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things
Never heard of that. The only thing I can imagine that might happen here is Synapse dropping off its config files in Documents, the file getting kicked off to the cloud (after a device switch/OS reinstall, by the user or via space-saving logic due to long time of not being used), and then Synapse trying to interact with the placeholder file. Literally nothing else could affect it.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is... brave.
A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it
Would love to read more about it because it sounds completely ridiculous. Unless the game constantly overwrites files in OneDrive sync'd folders, which would trigger a non-stop sync, I guess?
I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
This sentence goes super hard if you have no clue what a virus is.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is... brave.
My mistake ill go tell my friend he's just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said it's not his computer so he can't run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasn't opened it once).
Ah even better it breaks itself because of telemetry logs and then takes up massive amounts of cpu in order to do nothing because it's in a broken state. Search onedrive high cpu usage to see how common this is, happened to me too (never opened it one time). Great software that I have had to remove from 5 different people's computers because it was either in a broken state or they played a game that was massively slowed down by a program they had not installed, didn't even know was installed, and they had not opened or used ever. Lucky them they got to experience it twice after onedrive reinstalled itself after an update!
My mistake ill go tell my friend he’s just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said it’s not his computer so he can’t run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
My point is that Razer is famous for designing crap quality software. It's probably nothing related to OneDrive, just Synapse being Synapse.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
Games shouldn't be writing constantly to Documents. That's what temp/cache is for.
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasn’t opened it once).
I'd love to see some tests done on this. A lot of the people complaining about Windows issues are the same people who used various "debloaters", and these cause so many unintended issues.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to. The issue isn't "oh razer is bad so it was probably onedrive doing something correctly and then it broke" it's "why did I have to waste time figuring out some random program I never installed and don't want was causing this problem?"
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they don't get to write there? For example openmw a huge project puts logs there. Again it's the fact it's a program I never installed and don't want that I had to spend hours researching to maybe find out what was causing it.
I shouldn't have to say, for a software I never installed or wanted, "well okay I'm not allowed to append to logs to documents, or use documents for any game files that might change often, and if I'm unlucky to have onedrive be in a bugged state or they break it with an update then I will have 30% cpu usage forever unless I fix it. And also I will have to uninstall it every 6 months which might leave my file explorer in a broken state." If this happened with a software I WANTED and installed myself, I would still complain but probably say the convenience is worth it. But it is being forced on me and the literal only reason I know about it is from it giving me 50% cpu usage and other friends having similar problems, for something they don't want and never wanted.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to
That's not the point I was making.
It was: OneDrive, normally, doesn't cause any such issues. The fact that these issues exist with specifically Synapse is more probably due to Synapse being shite, than OneDrive doing anything.
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they don’t get to write there?
Because Documents is the user's documents space. Temp files go in Temp, application data goes in AppData. It's a super simple system that worked on Windows for the past 20 years. Razer doing things wrong is a problem with Razer's products, not Microsoft's.
For example openmw a huge project puts logs there
Then the devs of openmw should be flogged too. Everybody should fuck off from the Documents folder, because it turns into another Temp/AppData with all the crap that I didn't put there. It's My Documents, not "trash bin for lazy devs".
I won't argue against it reinstalling itself as I never had a problem with it just chugging along and giving me the 5GB of free backup space.
I won't comment on the performance hits, because I never experienced those. I'm willing to bet the fault is on either the user or the software their using, though, because I haven't seen a performance hit on any of my 2000-3000 managed devices. Sure, OneDrive for Business uses SharePoint, but the app works in a similar way.
I won't comment on your last paragraph too, because it just reiterates that you missed my initial point.
If you're using OneDrive, 99% of the time you want your documents to be saved there anyway, so this saves you time.
If you're not using OneDrive, this doesn't affect you at all.
If you're using OneDrive but, for whatever reason, don't want Word to save files there by default, it takes some 5 clicks to go back to the previous default.
People are behaving like Microsoft is sending death squads to get all their documents, it's just stupid.
If you’re using OneDrive, 99% of the time you want your documents to be saved there anyway.
If you’re not using OneDrive, this doesn’t affect you at all.
If you’re using OneDrive but, for whatever reason, don’t want Word to save files there by default, it takes some 5 clicks to go back to the previous default.
I use it, I even pay for it. But Holy fuck it's bad! It makes explorer freeze when right clicking sometimes, moving files is slow, I can't create a new folder and name it at the same time because it interrupts the process, so I create new folder, it takes over, then I have to manually rename it from new folder.
Its picture viewer in the Web app freezes half of the time, actually, on the android app too.
If I didn't get such a good deal for it, I would go somewhere else. It's fucking trash.
It makes explorer freeze when right clicking sometimes
That's just the beauty of the new context menu. OneDrive or not, it just freezes sometimes.
moving files is slow
Huh? Moving files happens locally, on your drive.
I can’t create a new folder and name it at the same time because it interrupts the process, so I create new folder, it takes over, then I have to manually rename it from new folder
I'm still on Win10 and in general the context menu loads reasonably fast for me.
But even in WinXP if you had broken registry values it would cause the context menu to load really slowly.
Yeah, when I move files locally, on the same volume. It's real fun watching my Explorer hang when moving files, I have a few hundred thousand files in OneDrive and however they're indexing and tracking them is pretty fucked. And no, it's not the disks.
I gotta be honest, man - it seems like something's fucked with your OS.
Moving files locally has nothing to do with OneDrive. Once you move the files within a OneDrive-synced folder, the service will just update their location info and re-sync them. It doesn't "desync -> move -> sync", it's literally a local move.
Have you tried moving similar amounts of data in non-synced folders?
Yup, only happens in folders that are synced, I actually reinstalled Windows specifically because of the issues I was seeing.
I don't know what exactly it's doing but it annoys the shit out of me. I should probably use process Explorer or something to check what is going on but I'm too lazy.
I moved some pictures a little earlier and it did it again.
Like with the ROG Ally. People who don't have it call it the worst shit ever because it runs Windows. People who do have it call it amazing, because the UI is done great, the games run smooth, etc. Like, there's zero issues with the device, it's great for gaming, but because Microsoft is involved, so many people just want to drop it in the gutter...
I swear, if Microsoft just randomly decided that every Windows user gets one million dollars, no strings attached, people would complain...
I replaced my jazz drive when burners became more popular and cheaper. I could buy 100 cdrs for the price of a zip disk. I only had a zip drive to begin with so I could work on my high school projects in computer graphics class from home (ah, going back and forth between Windows and Mac in 1999... it sucked)
Yeah, Zip disks suuuucked. I always had to carry two for redundancy because they failed to read so often. Even having every second or third CD burn fail, because you looked at it wrong, was more reliable than Zip disks.
Have you actually had an issue with buffer underruns with blurays though? I'd figure reliability should be way up, considering we now have multi-core CPUs, plus writers probably support variable speed writing that slows the write if the buffer is running out of data, plus error correction/recovery options for if it happens anyways. I'd guess vibrations, low quality discs, and loss of power would be more likely to cause a write failure than a buffer underrun these days, but maybe I have too much faith in those involved.
Maybe you're right. I've never tried burning blurays. The cost and error possibility just leaned me into using hard drives for storage. They last longer, are less likely to damage, and far cheaper. Even a used drive still has a few hundred thousand writes left, usually.
I had my best porn on one of those as a youth (because it meant nothing visible on my computer unless I wanted it to be) and then the drive died one day. RIP hours of downloading, plus all my games and music on my more legit disks.
Remember the cinnamon challenge? It was just like a handful of weirdos doing it and in international news, they said it was average Americans because of our underfunded education system.
Shoot, that's an understatement. The Japanese people I've read online and met in person tended to be a whole lot more educated than the average Joe. Their education system seems pretty solid.
Does Japan not have the fervent anti intellectualism that we have in the US with our right wing? And it's not in bed with racism to fuck public education together?
Oh come on, this is funny. Don't downvote humor you old farts. I'm old enough to remember when we got internet. I was 14 and had to beg mom to let us use the free AOL trial.
Once that month was up, we were hooked faster than if we had visited a Chinese opium den in the 1800s.
Edit: wow I sure fucked up that first draft. I was 14, not 24.
They are fun to use, they sound neat, and they dont give me data overload of a 1 tb hard drive filling up and wondering where all the space went.
Sure, all you can use it for is a few text docs or 10 low res pictures, but its at least physical and a lot harder to wreck than a cd.
I'm sure some streamers use "Tune in", which refers to radio dialing.
"Dashboard" means a whole lot of things, but originally meant a board on a carriage that prevents mud from being "dashed" up to the passengers by horses (I think).
Uh..."meal" is literally a kind of grain that most people probably don't eat regularly at all, let alone 3x a day.
The other day I got a press release about disaster preparedness for grade school kids.
It made mention of teaching kids how to use a battery powered radio to get information. And it suddenly struck me that my 8 year old nephew likely has never even SEEN an FM radio, much less would know how to tune one to a specific station.
I'm in my 30s and really never actually used an old radio like that. Like there were some laying around that nobody used anymore and I kind of played with them as a kid, but I'm right on the cusp of not knowing how to use one.
25 soon to be 26, my family liked to camp out in the Mojave when I was a kid so I do know how to use them but even for me I am far more familiar with stereos .
Fair enough but I ain't using the radio element most of the time. I'm using the 8 track, cassette, record, or CD players not really a radio guy it's been shit for my entire life.
Actually that changed quite a long time ago. Even when FM radio was still a thing, most “receivers” stopped including radio and “tuners” became on external component that not everybody bought. I think our “stereo” in the 80’s had a stand-alone tuner even. That is for a real “stereo”. Boom boxes and the like had it all built in.
The other factor of course is that tuners went digital. Most factory car stereos continue to include digital tuners even today.
Sure, in a technical sense, that’s true - the car radio in our 2025 Hyundai i10 is a DAB+ radio, which supposedly still has backup FM capability. Which is never used, as you just pick the station from a list. It’s never used anyway - I much prefer podcasts.
WiFi is of course radio. We just tune in and listen to it differently.
If you limited your bandwidth to 20 or 30 kHz, you could build a “radio” that you manually tune to a WiFi channel frequency and that produces audible noise. You could then build a 1980’s style modem to convert the audio back into a bitstream that you could run your network connection over.
It would be about many times slower than standard Wifi though modern compression could speed that up a bit.
Probably from one of those kid renting agencies they have over there. They just rent them for the afternoon. It's not like they'd have the space at home anyway.
If you want to make a greybeard feel old, grab one of the old floppies that they still have in a filing cabinet, hold it up and say, "Hey look, someone 3D printed a save icon!"
Graphical operating systems weren't a thing when the actually floppy discs were dominant. When icons started to be developed, the hard encased discs were the thing people were using.
You think it's bad that the save icons have floppy disks?
A while ago, I was wondering why the usual icon for "database" (upright cylinder divided into multiple horizontal slices) looks like the original flowchart symbol for drum memory, further refined to look like a 1960s hard drive, you know, one of those washing machine sized units. But then again, if you have a serious database, chances are it's running on some several layers deep virtualised replica of a 1960s system
What are you on about Millenials barely remembering floppies? We grew up using them until at least highschool, even if other writable media existed before then.
I once had what I thought was a friend, but who was definitely a teacher. He joked that he brought a floppy disk to his school and his students asked who had 3d printed a save icon.
That's true! However, I don't like "what" there - friend or no, he was a who, not a what. I just couldn't write "who I thought was a friend," though reading it now it seems okay. Ah well; I'm no novelist, so feel free to claim the quote for yourself if you'd like.
If young people anywhere would see floppies, I'm guessing Japan would be more likely than a lot of other places. They're notoriously slow about getting rid of old tech. I think Sony was still making VCRs until 2016, and faxes were ubiquitous even like 10 years ago.
I saw people in the mid 2000s plug in USB floppy drives so they could work with whatever records they still had on floppy. I have no idea why that was easier for them than just putting the files on a USB drive.
Two that come to mind: Deutsche Bahn still transfers the seat reservation database to the trains using diskettes. And San Francisco Muni uses 5.25 Floppies for their light rail trains.
If your discord server is inundated with people who have no idea which one of these damn buttons save, yeah. I saw the same thing happen on a PHPBB in 2010. To many, that icon means nothing.
icons are basically ideograms. floppy disks might be the etymology of the save icon, but kids will learn it means "save" the same way Chinese kids learn that 人 means "person" (a simplified rendering of the original Bone Oracle glyph, which depicted a person from the side)
as another example, you used the word "inundated" which comes from the Latin unda meaning "wave," as in waves overcoming a building. but you learned to use that word without needing the history lesson behind it.
How do play, pause, or stop icons mean anything? They were around for decades before me and I just learned that was how those actions were communicated.
Likely in the way that the previous commenter described. They're not wrong, it just wasn't a question of how. It was more that sometimes the transmission of information fails.
These days I'm starting to see more and more of an arrow pointing down towards a hard drive, a file folder, or an outbox bin. I feel like that's a suitable replacement.
I worked with an engineering software that was developed by a Christian team, they put a cross as the Save Icon. Cuz Jesus Saves. It was a good Dad joke so I had to let it slide.
Interesting. If skeuomorphism means using "new objects or interfaces that mimic the appearance and functionality of their real-world counterparts to make them more familiar and easier to use", I wonder what the word is for using old and irrelevant objects in UIs that no longer make sense to the users.
No, I think it's kind of opposite. If the machine is vending you a drink, that would be better as the "open" icon. You choose which drink (file) you want, and the vending machine gives you the one you asked for.
Oh man I distinctly remember being taught how to insert the floppy disk and then select the A: drive to save to the floppy disk on windows 3.1 in my elementary school computer class. My dad's Prince of Persia game was on like ten floppy disks.
I'm kinda a little jealous of all the people who had computer classes growing up. The schools just expected us to know how to use them and how they work by the time I was getting in
Same here! And the weird thing is, we did this like 8 times during the school year because that's apparently everything our computer class teacher knew how to do. I always wondered why that was.
I actually recently set up a laptop to run windows 3.1 so I could show my kids what I used at their age. This was part of a tutorial that automatically runs when you first boot it up.
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lemming@sh.itjust.works · 169 pts · 281d
over_clox@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 281d
What in the flying fuck is wrong with Jerboa for Lemmy? I can't scroll up past this image now...
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 10 pts · 280d
That happens from time to time. I haven't been able to find out why, or I'd report it. Leaving and reopening the thread fixes it.
over_clox@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 280d
No, that didn't fix it. After more comments accumulated, the glitch just shifted to a different image comment. Glitch still exists, and I've reported and updated my findings with the Jerboa developers community.
Edit: If you care to follow, here's my post to the Jerboa community..
https://lemmy.world/post/38766857
__hetz@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 281d
Yeah, I've been having trouble with my feeds not refreshing once I've scrolled down to the "bottom" of what has initially loaded. Been driving me bonkers. Shame, because I rather like Jerboa, but I'm probably going to start scouting for alternatives or sacrifice convenience and stick to a desktop browser.
over_clox@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 281d
I find myself happy enough with Jerboa. I don't often experience bugs, but when I do, I make a point to report it to their dev team. They do listen and make a point to iron out the bugs, eventually..
coaxil@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 281d
You running latest version? It's working good for me on this image.
over_clox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 281d
Running version 0.0.84, so pretty recent if not the latest.
I went back to check again after more comments accumulated, and now that image isn't causing the glitch, but another image is.
I dunno what's up, but I messaged the Jerboa community with my findings. 🤷
Scroll through all the comments, then try scrolling back up to the top, see what if anything happens. It's buggy here..
coaxil@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
Ok, yeah I'm seeing the issue now, I can scroll down, but 'infinite' scroll back up so to speak, where is just throwing what I'm viewing back down a handful of posts etc. Hopefully an easy enough fix for them.
over_clox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Someone else looked into Jerboa bug reports and found a bug ticket for this very issue as far back as Jerboa 0.0.77
https://github.com/LemmyNet/jerboa/issues/1711
The tricky part with weird bugs like this is stumbling into a post that somehow triggers the bug. I have no clue what's causing it, but I made sure to pass the info to the developer community.
coaxil@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
Oh wow right, Ah well, see how they go, nice work getting the info to them!
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d
Evotech@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 280d
Nah
dellish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
That's what Big Floppy want you to believe.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 114 pts · 281d
What even is a good alternative save icon these days?! This is the only save icon I know.
Edit: lmao I’ve gotten so many replies! I love y’all.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 83 pts · 281d
Rooster326@programming.dev · 27 pts · 281d
Back then the version control really was v2 Final Final. The good ol days.
We still do that level of version control. But we used to, too
aaaa@piefed.world · 9 pts · 280d
Sorry for the convenience
Ifeelya@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d
"Why is the save button shaped like a complaint about poor quality copper?"
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 278d
I saw this joke and got the reference man. You should feel good about this one.
dellish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
Ahh yes, something even more archaic is what's required! How about a clay tablet icon?
0_0j@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Naaah dis be "compile", nerds be bitchin real soon
markstos@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 281d
A floppy disk is fine, just like Photoshop uses terms like dodge and burn, references to obsolete dark room methods, like cutting and “pasting” were literally how some layout projects worked.
Referencing the last physical incarnation of saving a file seems fitting!
BakerBagel@midwest.social · 18 pts · 281d
Pretty harsh to the compact disc don't you think?
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 281d
You don't save to a CD, you burn it
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
You could to a CD-RW, kind of.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 281d
CD wasn't even the last physical media that was adopted widely. Technically I think that may be thumbdrives for now, but there were some tape and disc shaped, but high density for the time (like 20MB to 100MB for the disk shaped one, and 1GB to 2GB tapes.) and named something I don't remember, media options that were created in the late '90s early '00s before thumbdrives became a thing.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 280d
Zip disk/zip drive? wiki link
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
That's the disk one!
MML@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 280d
Zip drive?
BootLoop@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 280d
What about MicroSD? Still being put on game consoles and smartphones to this day.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
True that. I tend to lump them in with thumbdrives.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 280d
I did photography at college a few years before digital technology took off. The old dodge and burn was way more fun. There was no undo button so you had to remember what gets done where and keep refining the print. It took ages. And the chemical smells were amazing!
freeman@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 280d
How the fuck is a floppy the last physical incarnation of saving a file? HDDs and SSDs are not made out ether.
If you mean save media you commonly interact with, USB thumb drives still exist. Considering computers becoming much more commonplace in their era they probably have been actually used by more people than floppies.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 281d
Up arrow to a cloud, or down arrow to a platter (which, ironically, is also out-of-date)
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 87 pts · 281d
Vomits
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 280d
It can be your own selfhosted cloud
expatriado@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 281d
nice try Microsoft
PlexSheep@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 280d
Could be legitimate when it's a Web app where saving is "push my version to the server".
13igTyme@piefed.social · 18 pts · 280d
You just described upload and download, not save.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 280d
is there a difference between download and save?
You're viewing information held in temp memory and are committing it to a hard drive or more permanent cloud drive for later retrieval.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 7 pts · 280d
Yes there is a difference. If you already have the information on your drive you don't download every time you make an edit.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 280d
I think you've misunderstood my point:
Web app > data is in temp > save commits it to disk
Offline app > data is in temp > save commits it to disk
does "temp" meaning RAM, user directory, remote cloud directory, browser temp files, WordPress backend db and "disk" meaning hard drive or one-drive or Google drive or the permanent remote cloud directory, or production db significantly alter the concept of the function?
Might be controversial, but I think "no." I don't think there is a difference between me "saving", for example, a web page in WordPress as the final version, and me "saving" the offline wire frame design to my hard drive, and me "saving" a PDF of the web page to my downloads folder.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 280d
No, download would be a down arrow from a cloud. "Saving" on a modern system typically implies a local cache paired with a cloud backend.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 1 pts · 280d
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 280d
Not my fault that they're wrong.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 7 pts · 280d
Up arrow to Lakitu.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 281d
Hard to disk drives are still around but you might want to make it look generically like a generic that could also be an SSD just as easy
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 281d
Congratulations on the drugs, I guess
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 281d
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 281d
Hey they tried! 😂
BootLoop@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 281d
The difficult part would be depicting a SSD. It's just a rectangle.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 7 pts · 281d
The chip icon, you know the one next to the other chip icon.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 281d
Maybe put a folder inside the rectangle?
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 280d
And a cloud inside the folder. And a floppy disk inside the cloud.
BootLoop@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 280d
A folder depiction almost always means open or load from directory
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Come to think of it, if opening a folder depicts opening a file, then saving must be portrayed by putting the file back.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 280d
Tell that to anyone needing a large amount of storage that is instantly available; the newest HDDs with 30TB storage hit the central European market this July.
GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 281d
It's just the download button, truly. They already associate that icon with saving files from the web. The down arrow pointing to a rectangle or laptop icon in word or similar app wouldn't be too ambiguous...
Or, truly, the floppy will just become a nebulous, originless heiroglyph meaning "keep this information for later and let me put it somewhere to find it again," and some Gen. Beta child will get curious and learn about ye olde days of magnetic media from Wikipedia.
s@piefed.world · 12 pts · 281d
Maybe a life preserver ring won’t become out of date? 🛟
TheBat@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 281d
s@piefed.world · 17 pts · 281d
This is Help
expatriado@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 281d
cool, now we got a reference older than the 3.5 inch floppy
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 281d
Well ackshually this picture spells "NUJV"
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 281d
Maybe their spelling is what they need help with 🤔
remon@ani.social · 1 pts · 280d
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 281d
Yeah but that's awfully anglo-centric. Saving life has nothing to do with saving a file in other languages.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
An icon of a saint works for Slavic languages.
drcobaltjedi@programming.dev · 10 pts · 281d
I've seen an SD card used before.
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 281d
☁️ is a (rather terrible) way to indicate cloud saving.
io@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 280d
sometimes there is a arrow going into a folder
but then again noone knows what the foldwe icon is supposed to depict nowadays either
__nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 280d
That's the icon for the Downloads Folder
pennomi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 281d
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 3 pts · 280d
I could see this one working. It has the little signature cut off corner.
underreacting@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 279d
It would share the rectangle shape and cut off corner with the "new document" icon.
lemmyng@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 281d
It's time we upgrade the icon to Zip drives, or maybe Sony memory sticks.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 280d
I miss those icons bro.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 281d
I once saw a usb thumb drive as an icon. Guess it didn't take off.
It might be the best actually since they're still around and, never say never, may not go anywhere. Though a USBA icon will confuse the USBC crowd soon enough.
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 281d
This:
Or a Christian cross (“Jesus saves”)
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 5 pts · 281d
parchment & quill 📜🪶
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 281d
A disc is also been used for some.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 281d
Yeah it's old and loses relevance, but we can go older and it circles back to recognizable again
✍️
Or just say the vending machine is because it's a store and you are storing the data when you save
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 281d
Would need to have some sort of drive icon - maybe? - that is unlikely to ever be forgotten.. with a down arrow embedded inside.
Hmmm.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 10 pts · 281d
That's a download button, an up arrow on the disk is an upload
The save icon is too established to be changed. It can be simplified and become a glyph no one understands the meaning of, but it's cemented
HelluvaKick@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 281d
A frog from Mother 3
Mac@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 281d
Realistically the icon could br anything, even the green check emoji: ✅
But if we want to retain the thematic reference to a disk- icon-ify an m.2 2230 or similar and literally just swap em. lol
Image for reference:
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 280d
Mac@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 280d
Sources for your claims?
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 280d
A lot of consumers don't work on their computers. They either bring it to a computer repair store or buy a new one if they don't have a family member or friend who can fix it for them.
As for what exact percentage of people in the world work on their own computers, I'm not sure if that has been studied. PC gamers often build their own PC, but many may buy a pre-built instead.
Mac@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 280d
Right and so where would they have messed with a floppy disk? lol
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 280d
I didn't interpret their comment as suggesting that modern consumers would be familiar with a floppy disk, but instead was pointing out that regular consumers in the past often handled floppy disks, which made a good case for it being a common symbol at that time. However, since SSD's aren't used so commonly by average consumers, it may not make a good replacement as a symbol.
That would suggest that perhaps there is a more commonly recognized object that can be represented skeuomorphically. Off the top of my head, an SD card may be a good option.
Mac@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 280d
Ohhh
I understand you now. Sorry, been a sluggish brain day.
Yeah, an SD card would be a good option and I think the tapered end and the notch in the shape would be fairly recognizable.
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 279d
Mac@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 279d
lol ok boomer
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 279d
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 280d
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
What would we use for download, then?
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 281d
A princess in a tower guarded by a dragon, with a knight holding a sword getting ready to swing at the dragon.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 280d
I think one GTK/GNOME icon set had downward arrow pointing to a hard disk. Seemed clear enough to me.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
A piggy bank (it was supposedly considered at one point by a Microsoft team for an office product)
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 279d
Lots of open source projects actually have some really good alternatives for it.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 281d
An SSD. But not an M.2 because that might be confused for RAM.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 281d
A blank rectangle wouldn’t be confusing at all though.
Goretantath@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 281d
My ssd is literally a 1tb small keychain.. There's too much variation.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 1 pts · 280d
What is your ssd? That sounds awesome.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
There are 2230 cases around and they go up to 2 TB now.
Edit: 2230 is that size (wrote 3320 first; sorry):
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 2 pts · 278d
Thanks!
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Maybe a hard drive or SSD. At least the hard drive cross-section is somewhat unique.
inlandempire@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 281d
Loading circle then checkmark next to filename
melonhusk@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 281d
Man, if only it dispensed actual drinks. But yeah, it used to dispense your whole digital life on 1.44MB. Good times.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 83 pts · 280d
Ironic, since Japan is one of the last holdouts requiring the use of floppy drive for use in government processes.
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 29 pts · 280d
No, Japan has ended the usage of floppy disks last year, besides a single case relating to vehicle recycling.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-declares-victory-effort-end-government-use-floppy-disks-2024-07-03/
0_0j@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
Skeptic, clicked, confirmed. Holly shit! Japan is using floppies in 21st century
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 279d
It's why would I enjoy watching a Japanese versions of cyberpunk dystopias. They still have VCRs, crt TVs, and fax machines well into the 22nd century
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 280d
Curious about the vehicle recycling exemption
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 280d
Me when I'm in a refusing modernization challenge and my opponent is Japan:
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 2 pts · 280d
When you use old tech like that, sometimes it becomes a security feature.
sartalon@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 281d
Fuck Excel and Microsoft for tying auto save to OneDrive.
moakley@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 280d
So OneDrive actually saved me a ton of time this year at work. We implemented it at the end of last year, and we had a lot of problems with it at first.
So usually something would go wrong, and it was my job to dig deep and figure out what caused it. But for the first half of this year, I could just say, "I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it's OneDrive," and then I could relax and do something else.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -26 pts · 280d
Jesus Christ, people really do love to make a problem out of anything, as long as it has "Microsoft" on the label, eh?
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 280d
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things, and also reinstalling itself for no reason. A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it. I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 280d
Never heard of that. The only thing I can imagine that might happen here is Synapse dropping off its config files in Documents, the file getting kicked off to the cloud (after a device switch/OS reinstall, by the user or via space-saving logic due to long time of not being used), and then Synapse trying to interact with the placeholder file. Literally nothing else could affect it.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is... brave.
Would love to read more about it because it sounds completely ridiculous. Unless the game constantly overwrites files in OneDrive sync'd folders, which would trigger a non-stop sync, I guess?
This sentence goes super hard if you have no clue what a virus is.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 279d
My mistake ill go tell my friend he's just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said it's not his computer so he can't run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/m8luww/pause_one_drive_sync_while_you_play_it_completely/
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasn't opened it once).
https://windowsreport.com/onedrive-high-cpu/
Ah even better it breaks itself because of telemetry logs and then takes up massive amounts of cpu in order to do nothing because it's in a broken state. Search onedrive high cpu usage to see how common this is, happened to me too (never opened it one time). Great software that I have had to remove from 5 different people's computers because it was either in a broken state or they played a game that was massively slowed down by a program they had not installed, didn't even know was installed, and they had not opened or used ever. Lucky them they got to experience it twice after onedrive reinstalled itself after an update!
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 279d
My point is that Razer is famous for designing crap quality software. It's probably nothing related to OneDrive, just Synapse being Synapse.
Games shouldn't be writing constantly to Documents. That's what temp/cache is for.
I'd love to see some tests done on this. A lot of the people complaining about Windows issues are the same people who used various "debloaters", and these cause so many unintended issues.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 278d
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to. The issue isn't "oh razer is bad so it was probably onedrive doing something correctly and then it broke" it's "why did I have to waste time figuring out some random program I never installed and don't want was causing this problem?"
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they don't get to write there? For example openmw a huge project puts logs there. Again it's the fact it's a program I never installed and don't want that I had to spend hours researching to maybe find out what was causing it.
An example of it being really buggy to get rid of
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3998214/one-drive-keeps-recreating-itself
Reinstalling itself
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/brai09/onedrive_keeps_reinstalling_itself/
About performance idk what to tell you this seems very common
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/5i46aj/onedrive_is_always_checking_for_changes_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/onedrive/comments/oiix8t/high_cpu_and_ram_without_syncing_file_what_happen/
Tons of videos on YouTube about it too.
I shouldn't have to say, for a software I never installed or wanted, "well okay I'm not allowed to append to logs to documents, or use documents for any game files that might change often, and if I'm unlucky to have onedrive be in a bugged state or they break it with an update then I will have 30% cpu usage forever unless I fix it. And also I will have to uninstall it every 6 months which might leave my file explorer in a broken state." If this happened with a software I WANTED and installed myself, I would still complain but probably say the convenience is worth it. But it is being forced on me and the literal only reason I know about it is from it giving me 50% cpu usage and other friends having similar problems, for something they don't want and never wanted.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 277d
That's not the point I was making.
It was: OneDrive, normally, doesn't cause any such issues. The fact that these issues exist with specifically Synapse is more probably due to Synapse being shite, than OneDrive doing anything.
Because Documents is the user's documents space. Temp files go in Temp, application data goes in AppData. It's a super simple system that worked on Windows for the past 20 years. Razer doing things wrong is a problem with Razer's products, not Microsoft's.
Then the devs of openmw should be flogged too. Everybody should fuck off from the Documents folder, because it turns into another Temp/AppData with all the crap that I didn't put there. It's My Documents, not "trash bin for lazy devs".
I won't argue against it reinstalling itself as I never had a problem with it just chugging along and giving me the 5GB of free backup space.
I won't comment on the performance hits, because I never experienced those. I'm willing to bet the fault is on either the user or the software their using, though, because I haven't seen a performance hit on any of my 2000-3000 managed devices. Sure, OneDrive for Business uses SharePoint, but the app works in a similar way.
I won't comment on your last paragraph too, because it just reiterates that you missed my initial point.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 280d
when you are a computer toucher, adding an extra three or four touches every time you want to save is frustrating.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 280d
What?
If you're using OneDrive, 99% of the time you want your documents to be saved there anyway, so this saves you time.
If you're not using OneDrive, this doesn't affect you at all.
If you're using OneDrive but, for whatever reason, don't want Word to save files there by default, it takes some 5 clicks to go back to the previous default.
People are behaving like Microsoft is sending death squads to get all their documents, it's just stupid.
Buffy@libretechni.ca · 2 pts · 280d
And people are correct to do so.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 280d
They're not.
If you’re using OneDrive, 99% of the time you want your documents to be saved there anyway.
If you’re not using OneDrive, this doesn’t affect you at all.
If you’re using OneDrive but, for whatever reason, don’t want Word to save files there by default, it takes some 5 clicks to go back to the previous default.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d
I use it, I even pay for it. But Holy fuck it's bad! It makes explorer freeze when right clicking sometimes, moving files is slow, I can't create a new folder and name it at the same time because it interrupts the process, so I create new folder, it takes over, then I have to manually rename it from new folder.
Its picture viewer in the Web app freezes half of the time, actually, on the android app too.
If I didn't get such a good deal for it, I would go somewhere else. It's fucking trash.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 280d
That's just the beauty of the new context menu. OneDrive or not, it just freezes sometimes.
Huh? Moving files happens locally, on your drive.
That's true, this bit is infuriating.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 280d
I'm still on Win10 and in general the context menu loads reasonably fast for me.
But even in WinXP if you had broken registry values it would cause the context menu to load really slowly.
Yeah, when I move files locally, on the same volume. It's real fun watching my Explorer hang when moving files, I have a few hundred thousand files in OneDrive and however they're indexing and tracking them is pretty fucked. And no, it's not the disks.
I'm so done with Microsoft.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 280d
I gotta be honest, man - it seems like something's fucked with your OS.
Moving files locally has nothing to do with OneDrive. Once you move the files within a OneDrive-synced folder, the service will just update their location info and re-sync them. It doesn't "desync -> move -> sync", it's literally a local move.
Have you tried moving similar amounts of data in non-synced folders?
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d
Yup, only happens in folders that are synced, I actually reinstalled Windows specifically because of the issues I was seeing.
I don't know what exactly it's doing but it annoys the shit out of me. I should probably use process Explorer or something to check what is going on but I'm too lazy.
I moved some pictures a little earlier and it did it again.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 279d
Did you run any "debloaters" or such after the reinstall?
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
I can understand the Microsoft hate, but I always chuckle at this knee-jerk reaction every time it comes up.
*Microsoft is mentioned, karate-chops the air*
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 280d
Right? It's insane!
Like with the ROG Ally. People who don't have it call it the worst shit ever because it runs Windows. People who do have it call it amazing, because the UI is done great, the games run smooth, etc. Like, there's zero issues with the device, it's great for gaming, but because Microsoft is involved, so many people just want to drop it in the gutter...
I swear, if Microsoft just randomly decided that every Windows user gets one million dollars, no strings attached, people would complain...
0_0j@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
True true
myotheraccount@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 280d
Programs using this icon should restrict their file size to 1.44 MB. Everything else is just false advertising.
rbn@sopuli.xyz · 23 pts · 280d
Maybe it's a super disk LS-240. They were up 240 MB.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDisk
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 280d
I had one of those beast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_drive Probably still have it somewhere among the dust.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 280d
I replaced my jazz drive when burners became more popular and cheaper. I could buy 100 cdrs for the price of a zip disk. I only had a zip drive to begin with so I could work on my high school projects in computer graphics class from home (ah, going back and forth between Windows and Mac in 1999... it sucked)
MoonMelon@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 280d
Yeah, Zip disks suuuucked. I always had to carry two for redundancy because they failed to read so often. Even having every second or third CD burn fail, because you looked at it wrong, was more reliable than Zip disks.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Error: Buffer Underrun
Frisbee time!!! Wheeee!
This is the reason I haven't thought too hard on bluray discs... $5 to $11 per disc...
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d
Have you actually had an issue with buffer underruns with blurays though? I'd figure reliability should be way up, considering we now have multi-core CPUs, plus writers probably support variable speed writing that slows the write if the buffer is running out of data, plus error correction/recovery options for if it happens anyways. I'd guess vibrations, low quality discs, and loss of power would be more likely to cause a write failure than a buffer underrun these days, but maybe I have too much faith in those involved.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d
Maybe you're right. I've never tried burning blurays. The cost and error possibility just leaned me into using hard drives for storage. They last longer, are less likely to damage, and far cheaper. Even a used drive still has a few hundred thousand writes left, usually.
afox@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
I remember the smell of a new pack of discs.
rbn@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 280d
Congrats, you win! 🥳
marcos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Does it click?
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 280d
I had my best porn on one of those as a youth (because it meant nothing visible on my computer unless I wanted it to be) and then the drive died one day. RIP hours of downloading, plus all my games and music on my more legit disks.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 280d
Could be a zipdisk! Those where up to what 750megs?
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 280d
Probably just ironic humour.
People in Japan still have access to search engines and have brains.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 280d
Theres something about this sentiment that slightly scares my very soul.
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 2 pts · 280d
Remember the cinnamon challenge? It was just like a handful of weirdos doing it and in international news, they said it was average Americans because of our underfunded education system.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Shoot, that's an understatement. The Japanese people I've read online and met in person tended to be a whole lot more educated than the average Joe. Their education system seems pretty solid.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 280d
Does Japan not have the fervent anti intellectualism that we have in the US with our right wing? And it's not in bed with racism to fuck public education together?
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
No doubt they're somewhere, but I've never come across those people online or in person.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 280d
30p87@feddit.org · 44 pts · 281d
I'm 20 btw.
cm0002@suppo.fi · 34 pts · 281d
Lol
These are just what I had handy LMAO I'm also 30+ and still remember dialup so maybe it's not that impactful either way 😂
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 281d
Why do individually-sealed diskettes like Kraft Singles feel so wrong?
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 281d
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 281d
I remember when floppies were floppy, kid.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 281d
They’re still floppy on the inside.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 281d
argueswithidiots@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 281d
Oh come on, this is funny. Don't downvote humor you old farts. I'm old enough to remember when we got internet. I was 14 and had to beg mom to let us use the free AOL trial.
Once that month was up, we were hooked faster than if we had visited a Chinese opium den in the 1800s.
Edit: wow I sure fucked up that first draft. I was 14, not 24.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 9 pts · 281d
skshhhhhhhSKHHHHHHHH gnah gnah eeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEE
0_0j@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Lol this. Spot on
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 281d
They are fun to use, they sound neat, and they dont give me data overload of a 1 tb hard drive filling up and wondering where all the space went. Sure, all you can use it for is a few text docs or 10 low res pictures, but its at least physical and a lot harder to wreck than a cd.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 281d
Come back when you have some punch cards. ;)
0_0j@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Me likey. The floppy drive clicks symphony tho 😬
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 280d
marcos@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
A <- ox
B <- house
C <- some kind of weapon we don't even have a name anymore
D <- fish
And so on. This set has been running around for half of the world for thousands of years and yet nobody thinks it's a problem.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 280d
I wonder what other artefacts like that we have.
I'm sure some streamers use "Tune in", which refers to radio dialing.
"Dashboard" means a whole lot of things, but originally meant a board on a carriage that prevents mud from being "dashed" up to the passengers by horses (I think).
Uh..."meal" is literally a kind of grain that most people probably don't eat regularly at all, let alone 3x a day.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 280d
"Hanging up" the phone, as well as the icon for phon4 calls being a latter 20th century corded handset shape.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 280d
The other day I got a press release about disaster preparedness for grade school kids.
It made mention of teaching kids how to use a battery powered radio to get information. And it suddenly struck me that my 8 year old nephew likely has never even SEEN an FM radio, much less would know how to tune one to a specific station.
Shit like that makes me feel reaaaaaaallllly old…
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 280d
My elderly father was confused when he bought an old style fm radio and found out it was only a Bluetooth speaker.
RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 280d
I'm in my 30s and really never actually used an old radio like that. Like there were some laying around that nobody used anymore and I kind of played with them as a kid, but I'm right on the cusp of not knowing how to use one.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 280d
25 soon to be 26, my family liked to camp out in the Mojave when I was a kid so I do know how to use them but even for me I am far more familiar with stereos .
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Most stereos had tuners.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 280d
Fair enough but I ain't using the radio element most of the time. I'm using the 8 track, cassette, record, or CD players not really a radio guy it's been shit for my entire life.
LeFantome@programming.dev · 1 pts · 280d
Actually that changed quite a long time ago. Even when FM radio was still a thing, most “receivers” stopped including radio and “tuners” became on external component that not everybody bought. I think our “stereo” in the 80’s had a stand-alone tuner even. That is for a real “stereo”. Boom boxes and the like had it all built in.
The other factor of course is that tuners went digital. Most factory car stereos continue to include digital tuners even today.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
I still know the kind you tune with a slider on a coil. Same age.
0_0j@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
This. I have one right here on my bedroom
LeFantome@programming.dev · 3 pts · 280d
You probably still have an FM radio in your car. You just use it so infrequently that your forget it is there.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 279d
Sure, in a technical sense, that’s true - the car radio in our 2025 Hyundai i10 is a DAB+ radio, which supposedly still has backup FM capability. Which is never used, as you just pick the station from a list. It’s never used anyway - I much prefer podcasts.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 280d
Tell em it's analog wi-fi
LeFantome@programming.dev · 4 pts · 280d
WiFi is of course radio. We just tune in and listen to it differently.
If you limited your bandwidth to 20 or 30 kHz, you could build a “radio” that you manually tune to a WiFi channel frequency and that produces audible noise. You could then build a 1980’s style modem to convert the audio back into a bitstream that you could run your network connection over.
It would be about many times slower than standard Wifi though modern compression could speed that up a bit.
0_0j@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Yeah, absolutely no channel hopping
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today · 37 pts · 280d
Propaganda here boys. Japanese aren't having kids, there is no youth.
fin@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 280d
lolll
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
I saw plenty of couples in Japan with several kids when I visited tourist sites. Of course, there could be a bit of a survivor bias there..
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 279d
Probably from one of those kid renting agencies they have over there. They just rent them for the afternoon. It's not like they'd have the space at home anyway.
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 279d
Propagandists identified. We coming for you jason bourne
fin@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 279d
What you've probably seen are androids developed by Japanese government to convince people that we're actually thriving. Dont be deceived.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 281d
The only writing icon that matters is the drumming gif. It doesn’t even make sense anymore but it was so unbelievably perfect for the time.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 280d
What is that supposed to represent???
Dremor@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 280d
Wait for it.... 😏
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 280d
“Drumroll please…”
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 280d
Did it ever make sense?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 280d
Yes, early 90s hard drives really sounded like a drumroll.
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 281d
Hang on didn’t the Japanese government only like last year decide to stop using floppies?
Goretantath@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 281d
Yeah but kids don't have to file with the gov, their parents do.
jqubed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 281d
Yeah, it seems like Japan of all places should be where people should still have the most familiarity with them
zurohki@aussie.zone · 23 pts · 281d
If you want to make a greybeard feel old, grab one of the old floppies that they still have in a filing cabinet, hold it up and say, "Hey look, someone 3D printed a save icon!"
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 280d
Hey I have plenty of floppies still around, and my beard is not grey.
I shave.
SW42@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 281d
Why not this?
Macallan@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 281d
There was an 8" one before that too.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 281d
I dunno man. A brick falling on some guy's head and making his eyes pop out seems like an excessively violent symbol.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 281d
Get with the 3.5" floppy times man!
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 281d
I've seen that on some vintage software.
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 280d
Graphical operating systems weren't a thing when the actually floppy discs were dominant. When icons started to be developed, the hard encased discs were the thing people were using.
SW42@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
My Geos i ran on my C64 begs to differ
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 280d
You think it's bad that the save icons have floppy disks?
A while ago, I was wondering why the usual icon for "database" (upright cylinder divided into multiple horizontal slices) looks like the original flowchart symbol for drum memory, further refined to look like a 1960s hard drive, you know, one of those washing machine sized units. But then again, if you have a serious database, chances are it's running on some several layers deep virtualised replica of a 1960s system
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 280d
I thought that represented money
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 280d
Every time you save a file in Microsoft, your credit card is charged $.50
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 280d
Nice try Satan, but my start up is building ads into car start ups. You can't switch gears until the ad is done.
subtleorbit@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 280d
My startup is building ads into ad startups. You can't ad before you finish an ad.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
No pls, i have a shareholder that needs a new boat
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 280d
Satire no?
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 280d
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 279d
Has to be. The Japanese still use fax machines
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
Taleya@aussie.zone · -14 pts · 280d
No. Millenials barely remember floppies. From that point down younger generations have no fucking idea what they are
Mesophar@pawb.social · 16 pts · 280d
What are you on about Millenials barely remembering floppies? We grew up using them until at least highschool, even if other writable media existed before then.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 280d
And most millenials are 20 years outta high school
Mesophar@pawb.social · 1 pts · 279d
We are sadly very aware :(
__nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 280d
Real "anybody younger than me is a millennial" vibe going on here
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
is that not how it works?
also, anyone older than me is a boomer, that's a good one.
Taleya@aussie.zone · -3 pts · 280d
"That point down" = sucessive generations. Don't be arsey.
Bazell@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 280d
It is only mid 2020s and people already asking such questions. Imagine late 2030s or even 2040s.
luipaard0011@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 280d
Imagine we were dead
__nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 280d
I wonder if you can
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 279d
Society really wants humans gone, and replaced with AI girlfriends, and numans.
StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 280d
What the fuck is VR? Is that like brain diving?
toynbee@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 281d
I once had what I thought was a friend, but who was definitely a teacher. He joked that he brought a floppy disk to his school and his students asked who had 3d printed a save icon.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
You could start writing a book with that line.
toynbee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
That's true! However, I don't like "what" there - friend or no, he was a who, not a what. I just couldn't write "who I thought was a friend," though reading it now it seems okay. Ah well; I'm no novelist, so feel free to claim the quote for yourself if you'd like.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 281d
If young people anywhere would see floppies, I'm guessing Japan would be more likely than a lot of other places. They're notoriously slow about getting rid of old tech. I think Sony was still making VCRs until 2016, and faxes were ubiquitous even like 10 years ago.
I saw people in the mid 2000s plug in USB floppy drives so they could work with whatever records they still had on floppy. I have no idea why that was easier for them than just putting the files on a USB drive.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 280d
Two that come to mind: Deutsche Bahn still transfers the seat reservation database to the trains using diskettes. And San Francisco Muni uses 5.25 Floppies for their light rail trains.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 280d
In the UK the image on signs for speed cameras is a old 19th century bellows style camera
kamen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 280d
"Look, dad, someone 3D printed a save icon!"
Beacon@fedia.io · 10 pts · 281d
Save to drawer icon
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQNNRMAC2BgPZ09vgEerk1lyBh1jTkM2dl_Bfuj1CH4Mw&s=10
KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol · 17 pts · 281d
That looks like a download button :0
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 281d
No thank you
RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 281d
Throw in drawer and forget about forever
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 280d
I like the concept for the 90s nostalgia, but that's one fugly icon.
Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Try 70's nostalgia. I got my first disk drive in the 80's.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 280d
The only thing I regret about being a 90s kid is not having been a 70s kid.
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 280d
Maybe it's time to change the save icon into a USB drive.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 280d
Is it really so bad if it’s just a legacy icon?
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
If your discord server is inundated with people who have no idea which one of these damn buttons save, yeah. I saw the same thing happen on a PHPBB in 2010. To many, that icon means nothing.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 280d
icons are basically ideograms. floppy disks might be the etymology of the save icon, but kids will learn it means "save" the same way Chinese kids learn that 人 means "person" (a simplified rendering of the original Bone Oracle glyph, which depicted a person from the side)
as another example, you used the word "inundated" which comes from the Latin unda meaning "wave," as in waves overcoming a building. but you learned to use that word without needing the history lesson behind it.
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Sure, except when they don't. Like what happened with that dev on that board in 2010.
potpotato@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 280d
How do play, pause, or stop icons mean anything? They were around for decades before me and I just learned that was how those actions were communicated.
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 280d
Likely in the way that the previous commenter described. They're not wrong, it just wasn't a question of how. It was more that sometimes the transmission of information fails.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 280d
These days I'm starting to see more and more of an arrow pointing down towards a hard drive, a file folder, or an outbox bin. I feel like that's a suitable replacement.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 280d
to me that means "download" rather than "save." if I'm using an online editor, "save" might not download anything.
lightsblinken@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 280d
and yet, we adapt and we learn..
0_0j@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Yeeees. This.
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 259d
That is "drop in" or "download".
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
Not unless you’re ready to change “hung up” to “tapped end.”
kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 280d
Because it is hard to put there Jesus. He, same as floppy, died to became a save icon. /s
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 279d
I worked with an engineering software that was developed by a Christian team, they put a cross as the Save Icon. Cuz Jesus Saves. It was a good Dad joke so I had to let it slide.
kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
Dad joke, lil joke, ghost joke 😎 The Holy Trinity of jokes.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 279d
Back in my day we extruded our own polyester film, coated it with our own rust and cut them into discs free hand! All that for 170K of storage!
ulterno@programming.dev · 7 pts · 280d
That's a fictitious character.
Actual vending machines are never in this state.
Higher probabilities are:
and
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
God damnit, I payed four dollars for that can of sugar.
ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 279d
Why would you need waterproofing for a 4 dollar token?
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 281d
TIL about skeuomorphisms
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Interesting. If skeuomorphism means using "new objects or interfaces that mimic the appearance and functionality of their real-world counterparts to make them more familiar and easier to use", I wonder what the word is for using old and irrelevant objects in UIs that no longer make sense to the users.
tiredofsametab@fedia.io · 5 pts · 281d
I live in Japan and haven't heard of this, but I'm generally allergic to most social media. I'll have to ask my wife when I get home if she's seen it.
deacon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 281d
When skeuomorphic isn’t anymore.
TootSweet@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 281d
Not a vending machine. It's clearly the third member of Daft Punk with a snaggletooth.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
It works, when vending (saving) you make: the machine (the app) vend (save/create) a drink (a file).
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 280d
No, I think it's kind of opposite. If the machine is vending you a drink, that would be better as the "open" icon. You choose which drink (file) you want, and the vending machine gives you the one you asked for.
AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
Jesus that makes me feel old and I never once in my life used a floppy drive.
RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 280d
Oh man I distinctly remember being taught how to insert the floppy disk and then select the A: drive to save to the floppy disk on windows 3.1 in my elementary school computer class. My dad's Prince of Persia game was on like ten floppy disks.
AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d
I'm kinda a little jealous of all the people who had computer classes growing up. The schools just expected us to know how to use them and how they work by the time I was getting in
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Same here! And the weird thing is, we did this like 8 times during the school year because that's apparently everything our computer class teacher knew how to do. I always wondered why that was.
RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 280d
I actually recently set up a laptop to run windows 3.1 so I could show my kids what I used at their age. This was part of a tutorial that automatically runs when you first boot it up.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 280d
Maybe it needs to be a 5.25" floppy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Why not clay tablets?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 280d
[I/O] instead?
dellish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
bagel@lemmings.world · 0 pts · 281d