Steam. Apparently I'm supposed to be angry they are a locked down monopoly but compared to practically EVERY OTHER GAMING COMPANY IN THE WORLD they are frickin' saints.
Yeah, it's one of those things where one could argue that steam is successful in part to being entrenched (all of your friends are on steam and all of your games are on steam, so might as well continue using steam), but also.. other game launchers are just worse? The fact steam has a lot of useful features, as well as surprisingly few scummy incidents in its history just makes it not worth switching off for me :p
All the ones I can think of are for individual games rather than general launchers lol. And third party mod launchers that you have to add your own games obtained elsewhere :p
For me steam input the big one that pulls me towards steam; seamless proton integration too, but that one I could handle losing, steam input on the other hand I think is one of the best input remappers out there, I even added all my non-steam games to steam to make use of it too haha
Yeah, I saw an article about Epic's CEO having a gormless rant about Steams AI filtering and how but Steam was for them.
All I could think was: "well, make a better product then"
GOG Galaxy is the only launcher / storefront that comes close to competing with Steam, and that is because the one thing they do better:
DRM-free games.
The rest is about equal or slightly worse.
If Epic looked at the customer base and analyzed what people wanted I am sure they could build a better platform than Steam, but with a CEO as unlikable as Epic's and with his trackrecord it would take many years of hard work and effort to even begin to come close to Steam.
It would probably take some massive PE/VC enforced changes at Valve where they start to enshittify Steam and the loss of confidence in the platform that will follow to make the other platforms competitive.
It would probably take some massive PE/VC enforced changes at Valve where they start to enshittify Steam and the loss of confidence in the platform that will follow to make the other platforms competitive.
Make no mistake, it's coming eventually. I held off on trusting discord for years buy finally they won me over. Now look where we are.
That's true, but we're not at that point yet so... What is your point? They've managed to thrive as a private corporation up to this point, clearly everyone working there is making bank too and treated well. (From all accounts I've read) so I'd hope the incentive is higher to keep with the same philosophy for whoever comes after. Of course hard to say, can't undercut the greed some people have for making more money then they literally could ever spend.
I have decided to bite the sour apple, as we say in Sweden, and overpay for the last two hard drives for my NAS build to complete it, then I will grab every offline installer for my games I can find and keep a local copy.
32TB of storage that can loose two drives before any data loss, a solid start for backups, media and software.
Installers are just fancy zipped folder. And AFAIK, all games that are DRM free on GoG are also DRM free on Steam. So you can download the game, zip the game data folder, copy it elsewhere, unzip it and play it there. I've done that with several games, in fact when I was trying to convince some friends to buy a game I did that so we could play it in lan with a single copy so they would try it and buy it so we could play it online later.
So, yeah, you can absolutely do that in Steam, which is why I never get the "oh, but GoG has DRM free games" appeal.
I buy based on trust, and at this time, steam hasn’t lost it.
They’ve made their drm more lax over the years while Sony and microslop have worsened theirs. Like how you couldn’t easily play your games offline before steam deck.
True, but every option comes down to a hypothetical scenario which does speak of how it is at a decent place.
And pc being an open hardware open OS system makes it so people can just hop to something, and have alternative means like piracy if worst comes to worse.
PC benefit in the end is control over hardware, the programs we can run on it, and modifications that can be done to it. Something that requires hoping for jailbreaks when it comes to consoles.
So? As opposed to what, a corporation that is impossible for someone bad to take over? That doesn't exist. Anything can happen at any time, but no use speculating about a 180 in policy. And they don't actually have a monopoly, people just love them so much that they but almost exclusively there. If Steam gets shitty, I will buy from a different PC game store.
I'd argue they do have a monopoly. My friends don't know how to get a game if it isnt on steam. They are scared if I show them a game on a website to get (like armegatron).
I'm just saying, do not trust steam, make sure your games are truly DRM free, and be ready to pay subscription pricing for downloads and steam cloud saves. With server storage pricing being insane and gonna keep climbing, they can't keep giving you unlimited downloads and storage forever.
DRM free would improve Steam, I'm with you there. But if we're talking about theoretical enshittification, there is nothing to stop them from adding DRM to existing purchases. And then you'd have to had to make a backup of every exe you downloaded, and not care about cloud saves, etc...so I'm saying I get your point kinda but there isn't much point in speculating because services like that can always change unless the law prevents it. Which it SHOULD, but I'm not holding my breath. So all we can do is reward good behavior with how we spend money.
Yep I'd agree. I just am wary of any walled garden, because once they lock you in and kill off everything else (ie, the goal of capitalism) youre fucked. See: apple, amazon, google, etc.
and if you don't use a linux PC to game, you're a stupid ignorant complacent fool who is destroying society.
or so I have been told like every other day on lemmy. owning a playstation or a switch is like ragebait to the user base here. apparently if i buy a switch i might as well support blowing up babies in gaza and mass rape as a genocidal tool, according to these folks.
Oh yeah that could be a whole different thread on here. I use Windows and Linux, I would love it if I could rid myself of Windows completely but Linux is not there, and I kinda doubt it will even be a total replacement for Windows. It's worth remembering Windows didn't become the monolith that it is for no reason, people wanted 1 application that could easily do... Well everything without needing a lot of manual fine-tuning. That ain't Linux.
i don't even PC game anymore because it's just not worth the headache. i also work on a PCs all day at work, so I want to sit on my couch to play games and not sit in front of a monitor for more hours of the day.
And the reply is always 'you are a retard then'. Yes, clearly, I am.
Right, that's why when I tried to play fallout last year it kept crashing and crashing and throwing errors and fucking up, and i had to download custom drivers and edit files to get it to be somewhat more stable.
but when i bought it on my playstation 5 it didn't do that.
weird how that works. also did similar stuff when I tried to replay xcom. so i just gave up. or how i have to give my nephews tech support every other month for their gaming pcs where games won't load or play or frequently crash.
but please tell me how I'm wrong and pc gaming is perfect and wonderful and clearly I'm an idiot if I have a bad experience with games not working.
The strength of a gaming console is that it's a known quantity. My Switch will work the exact same as your Switch. Game devs can build and test with confidence.
This isn't true for PC; there's a huge variability factor. My PC is almost guaranteed to be different than your PC. The unfortunate truth is that you're correct: console games are more reliable, and they always will be. There is no world where that isn't the case. If you just want to play games without any friction, a console is the better choice.
People here don't want to hear that though and will lynch you 😂
yeah, i like console gaming because it just works. and i am too old too waste time trying to get games to work.
on rare occasional a console game will crash, but it's like a handful of times year. on PC i'm lucky to play for a few hours without a crash, or multiple crashes.
windows became a monolith because of sabotage. and then! the network effect. microsoft is actively trying to sabotage linux, and they've got internal documents stating that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents (the actual link is not loading)
microsoft doing monopolistic anticompetitive FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) practices dates back at least to 1992: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code (yeah... i found out about this from a youtube video.....)
and when was clippit (colloquially, clippy) introduced? ... 1996. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_97)
thus, using a clippy pfp is stupid. q.e.d.
Linux becoming more user friendly and accessible is a plus though for individuals who like diy PCs, but stuck with Windows due to game support. Compared to then and now moving away from Microsoft is less of a hassle. That is pretty huge for long time Windows PC gamers. Not just for gaming, but regular usage of computers.
From the sounds of it you dont like pc gaming in general, and that is fine. Do hope you can see how a non corporate OS alternative is a win though. Just having an option that is not a huge downgrade to a trillion dollar backed OS is amazing.
You are on the fediverse after all which is an alternative from company run social media like reddit. Which also has its ups and downs when it comes to accessibility much like PC gaming, but there are similar pros to it too that some giving it a chance.
I mean, I have a switch from like 8 years ago and while I enjoy it for the mobile gaming while on long flights I wouldn't buy a new one after all the shit Nintendo keeps pulling. I don't know which other handheld would be a good alternative, so I don't really throw shade at people buying new ones but I would like the company to hurt a bit.
@Oni_eyes@AskewLord I use the steam deck for the same porpose. I bought a xbox few years ago to play read dead 2, the onlything that could probably make me buy another console would be gtav, and even there I already decided that im gonna wait for a version that works on linux or otherwise just gonna emulate it few years from now
"The internet" in general keep arguing that steam dominant position is not relevant, while they forbid any dev to sell their game on other plataforms for less (don't even mention the steam keys because they are not part of the equation)
That's a pretty standard retail agreement clause that's been around for decades before digital distribution. It's not unique to Steam at all, letalone them doing it uniquely.
And is abuse of dominant position when you control +80% of the market.
If a dev want a profit of 10us for game sold, it's has to sell as 13us on steam. But if I open a marketplace and only charge 10% they could sell it for 12, getting a better margin selling for less, but they can't if they want to use steam too. That affect players because cheaper options are not available, affect devs because they have less option, affect other stores because they can grow up competing on price.
And that's only possible because of Steam dominant position, because steam can strongarm devs into getting the same price as their competitors without reducing their 30% slice.
Again, this is a standard retail clause that has existed long before Steam. It would apply no matter what combination of retailers they choose to sell at because they all have this. This is why digital games are sold at the same price as physical copies when they cost less to distribute: the brick and mortar retailers have this same clause.
There's no good reason to treat this like a Steam-specific thing. Every retailer has such a clause, big or small. This entire idea is based on a frivolous class action suit that is not going anywhere because it's launched on the shaky grounds of the belief that Steam exclusively uses the MFN clause and that they think a 30% cut is too much.
And it's not a altogether bad clause, it prevents a bad actor from heavily subsidizing their games and then destroying the market once they've run everyone else out of business.
The problem is that Steam have a dominant position on the market, when you do that regulations are different. Some markets with natural monopolies like energy distribution for example can't raise prices without being approved by a regulator, and so on. Again, the problem is not asking the same price for itself, is doing it while controlling+80% of the PC gaming market.
Which jurisdictions have this regulation? I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a leading retailer having to implement a disadvantageous sales agreement for the sake of their competition.
It's doesn't happen enough as it should be but, for example, it was found that Microsoft abused it's dominant position on the OS market to stablish IE as the standard on browsers and was forced to ask what browser the user wanted to install between Firefox, chrome, Opera and IE. That stopped once chrome took over.
"What's something the internet constantly gives a free pass to and simps for but should enrage people" wasn't the question. The internet is overall much more a defender of steam than the opposite.
Look at all the comments that came to steams defense. And yours, trying to like tease me? Lol.
You might think I'm wrong when I say there isn't much difference between steam and the others, but I'm not wrong when I say Steam is the internets darling. You're here literally proving me right, thank you for letting me know about it.
Reddit. They were irritating, so I left, but I couldn't care less if someone posts content here from teddit or(apparently gods forbid) mentions reddit.
I do not care about whatever happens with that company any more than I care about Apple or McDonald's or any other company with shitty products I don't engage with.
i just block the people here who just spam content from reddit 50 times a day. and it's always the shittiest ragebait, and if you point it out, they go apeshit on you and harass you and report you and call you a facist/nazi etc.
then tend to be really dumb people who are true believers that post ragebait is 'fighting the good fight'.
Doesn't seem like it, Between the slower growth rate, lack of profit motive, decentralization and community funded instances, people act much more decently here. Reddit was pretty impotent-ragey from the get-go without a way to tune out the bigots. On lemmy, places like hexbear are easily exiled. Womensstuff has bigots, i blocked them, done.
Trans people: I don't care which sportball team you play on or what bathroom you use, just wash your hands when you're done.
Whatever is in your pants is none of my business unless you're trying to make it my business (in which case, I'm flattered, but in a monogamous relationship, sorry).
This should be the baseline bottom, but somehow its not. If you care or not or think its "wrong", just keep it to yourself because Trans people are not harming anyone.
I have met 4 Trans people in my entire life, and they are just normal kind people. They're not cheating at sports, or being weird in bathrooms, or anything people are fearmongering; they just want to live their life comfortable in their bodies
I'm with you on this, but I'm also against the opposite: the blind praise and promotion of being trans for some reason. Look, if you have something wired in your brain different that makes you present as another gender, go ahead. Present yourself how you want, I can't imagine why I'd give much of a shit. It's a free country. But why do people have to constantly yap and take over every non right wing chud internet space to make it about being trans or related like talking about how hot femboys are. It's like...I mean honestly? A trend. And something major and life changing like that shouldn't be a trend. I'm sorry but that is dumb. Have your own spaces where you can talk about your own issues, sure. Don't be afraid to mention it in other spaces, sure. I'm cool with that. But maybe don't take over everyone else's spaces and make everything about you. Being annoying on purpose just doesn't work in your favor.
Also related, if psychologists and such agree that the best way to treat gender dysphoria is hormones, that's cool. But like maybe don't push socialized treatment for that so hard when we have literally nothing else socialized in healthcare. Priorities, you know? People are dying, every day, and cosmetic appearance for something a lot of people find weird and off putting is too easy of a target to keep healthcare terrible. I'm not saying it's right, but you have to pick your battles sometimes. Just like if you want to make someone not racist towards black people, maybe show them something like jazz or soul first, not hip hop. Is hip hop art? Absolutely, one of my favorite genres. But it's going to be an immediate turnoff if you jump to bad language and drug dealing and bitches and the other rap tropes. Should you have to cater to someone racist or transphobic? No, but that's the world we live in. Everyone gets to vote. and everyone starts somewhere with understanding people different than themselves.
Trans rights are human rights in the sense that you should be free to look and present how you want and not be harassed about it. But that doesn't mean you get to have everything you want, for free, and everyone has to not only treat and react to you exactly how you imagined it in your head, but also praise you for being different. That's not how the world works, for anything.
I definitely understand the annoyance, but I let it go because I understand how “Pride” works as a concept.
Bigots and Nazis need to feel “popular”, like they live in a world of their making. One of the biggest weapons against them is showing how unpopular they are. The day that they make an offhand crass comment, and the whole room turns against them.
Pride moments, raising trans positivity unwarranted, are meant to trap and push out those mentalities; keep reminding hateful bigots that “You are not welcome. Cut it out.”
Where it gets tricky is for the many people who are fine with it and don’t care, but just get gradually annoyed. I’m partly there, but I also understand that Trans people have put up with enough of the world’s shit that they’re allowed to vent back for a generation or so at all the baseless hate.
Priority in socialized healthcare is a tricky fight. Everyone wants their cause supported, when really all of them should be. The infighting is based around fear, and not entirely unwarranted, so I don’t have easy answers.
I think this is well said. You should be proud to be who you are, and sometimes bigots need a reality check, but it gets to a point where it is counter productive. I remember a few years ago when people were upset about the Proud Boys militia, and leftists made memes about gay dudes wearing banana hammocks being our "proud boys" because of gay pride. And, uh...no. First, it's just not funny, so it fails as a meme. Second, being gay does not make you the representative of leftist/progressive ideals, I'm sorry. And third, I don't particularly want to see a dude's dick imprint on my home page either, please stop.
Granted, I am in more leftist spaces than most people, but I see the trans flag more than any flag, even the US flag. Even during the world cup where every country was patriotic, I still saw more trans flag spam than anything else. And that is absolutely ridiculous to me, especially for a cause such as being trans, whose identity is generally "I want to be seen as the other gender and I'd prefer people don't make a big deal about it", not "my identity is being trans and I will never let you stop thinking about what's in my pants".
I hear you with healthcare but in most cases, "my cause or your cause" is the same cause, even if it doesn't specifically apply to you. If life saving medicine is free, we all win, period. Nobody is like "fuck people with type 1 diabetes, my tax dollars shouldn't go to them getting insulin which would be negligibly cheap in a socialized system" unless they're just vehemently anti-socialized medicine in general. Trans "healthcare" is, ultimately, not health related, it is cosmetic surgery or changing your body for cosmetic reasons. Mental health related? Arguable, and I do agree that it is personally. But VERY arguable, and not a lot of people support it. So leading the charge on socialized medicine by making it about trying to psy-op people into thinking "trans rights=human rights, and trans rights=access to expensive treatment paid by tax dollars" only hurts everyone by being an easy scapegoat. Not to mention the whole related psy-op of trying to convince people being trans, particularly "girldick" is hot in porn and whatnot, which is a whole other can of worms. Trying to trick people with thinly veiled propaganda is not the move if you're trying to start a serious movement. And it makes the trans movement, which is already polarizing and on shaky ground, come off to outsiders like a fetish, ESPECIALLY if you don't personally know a trans person and only see what's online. Which is a lot of people, since trans people are like 1% of the population, Trump is president so it is not popular to come out, and many trans people i didn't know were trans until years of knowing them, because once again, the idea is to be quietly accepted as the other gender. Which makes all the trans spam even more perplexing. Who is actually posting all of this? LARPers? Well meaning supporters? Russian trolls trying to flanderize the movement?
Trans “healthcare” is, ultimately, not health related, it is cosmetic surgery or changing your body for cosmetic reasons.
In the same way someone getting their face reconstructed after a brutal car accident is "cosmetic." Both are ultimately about making people comfortable in their skin.
Trans care saves lives. It saved mine. I don't know what kind of monster can look at a 41% suicide attempt rate, look at the only care proven to massively reduce those rates, and then try to trivialize that care. Trans health care is one single most effective classes of medical care in modern medicine. Gender reassignment surgery has far better long term outcomes than knee replacements.
As for why there are so many trans people on Lemmy. Most of us left other spaces, often to get away from enlightened centrists who see our lives, healthcare, and civil rights as privileges to be granted if it's politically convenient.
It is not about people's lives being privileges, I resent you saying that. I thought I made it clear that I support trans people and do not tolerate bigotry. Everyone matters. Even if in a theoretical situation "just" 1% of the population is getting genocided, it is still genocide. I don't value you or anyone else less than anyone else. I simply disagree with your premise, which I believe to be a false dichotomy. The statistics do indeed say there is a higher percentage of suicide rates for trans people. And why is that? In my opinion from looking at the evidence, I do not believe it is primarily or even very much at all related to bottom surgery being expensive. A lot of trans people are not even interested in that at all. It is because trans people are under a spotlight and a microscope, often scapegoated, and it really wears on somebody to be hated all the time and not know where it is safe to be themselves. And why is there such a spotlight? Part of it will always be bigots and right wing politicians deflecting blame. But part of it is self inflicted.
And that's what I mean by the "taking over spaces" part of my comment. You are perfectly welcome in Lemmy as far as I concerned. You shouldn't have to "hide" that you're trans or avoid talking about issues that concern you. That's not what I'm trying to say.
Think about it like this: imagine the trans spam was literally anything else. Say like...it was about India. I have Indian friends and coworkers, Indian food is great, Hinduism is kinda foreign to me but I find the concept and ethos very interesting, traditional Indian clothing is pretty and cool. Positive opinions, neutral at worst. Now imagine if Indian people refused to shut up about India. Screenshot of a movie with a character wearing a white shirt, orange light from a sunset and green grass "OMG GUYS THE COLORS OF THE INDIAN FLAG, ARE THEY IMPLYING THAT THIS RANDOM CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY INDIAN?!" Every food or cooking sub is taken over by Indian food, people comment on non Indian food "why not just make Indian dish?" Any random brown person "yeah it's giving Indian vibes" Comment on a pretty girl's Instagram : "So cute! Glad to see a fellow Indian be loud and proud" "Actually I'm not Indian" "Not yet ;)"
I think you can imagine people would start to have more negative opinions on Indian people if this were the case, or at the very least find them immature. Except this actually makes a lot more sense because there are literally a billion of them, and there are nowhere near that amount of trans people.
This, combined with the false dichotomy makes the movement come off as immature teenagers to a lot of people. I have not found that to be the case from trans people i know in real life, but that is the perception.
Even if I were to believe the false dichotomy of "pay for trans surgeries with taxpayer money or trans people will die", that's not any more convincing than it was when my ex girlfriend threatened to kill herself if we broke up. Me having sex with her is not healthcare because of her potential actions. I think it is important to be precise with language. And to be clear, I would vote for covering trans stuff with universal healthcare if it got on the ballot, as long as there were legal protections from something like a mentally ill parent forcing transitioning on their child.
Lastly, you say "politically convenient" as if I'm running for office. As previously mentioned, people die every day because they can't afford healthcare, and it's only getting worse. I know someone who divorced his wife so she won't have to pay his medical bills after he got cancer. After burning through his life savings that he worked hard on and made sacrifices for, for THIRTY YEARS. Not only does he not get to enjoy any of the money he saved by working overtime, but he can't even die young in peace knowing that his wife will be supported. He now has to worry that debt collectors will sue her after his death if they suss out that their divorce was due to debt. That is dystopian, a nightmare. And that is not "my problem vs your problem". It can happen to you. And it is probably more likely to happen to you, as transitioning can be hard on your body. I'm not a fan of politics, I just recognize the reality. To some, people, being trans is an affront on god himself. It sure is stupid, but they will vote against their own self interest just to spite you. There is no universe where we will be able to jump to "trans people should get whatever they define as healthcare paid for by someone else." from absolutely nothing being covered. Not anymore than we should have campaigned Frederick Douglas for president of the United States before we, you know, got rid of slavery. Could he have been a good president in a vacuum? Yes, he was an intelligent and wise person. But you knowing that, and me knowing that doesn't mean it would have been a good idea. And NOTHING exists in a vacuum. Ever.
You fundamentally do not see trans people's healthcare as legitimate. You are not welcome here.
People come to Lemmy precisely to escape enlightened centrists like yourself. Stay on the mainstream sites where you won't have to see the icky trans people talking about their issues.
This is the thing that really bothers me. So many kids claiming to be “trans”, when they are very clearly going through common teenage rebellion/finding themselves. It does a disservice to those who really do have gender dysmorphia. The conservative “anti-trans” crowd can point to this and say “see, they’re all just being weird”.
And sure, there are kids who really are that way. My old ass thinks they should wait until they’re actually adults to go messing about with their hormones. That shit is permanent and they’re still developing. They can live as another gender in the meantime, no reason to stop that. But at least make the body modification decision as an adult.
My only real interest in this as a controversy, is bringing back single use bathrooms open to all would be nicer for all of us while leaving this outrage nowhere to go
Let’s go all the way back to TMP with people indignant about how the Klingons looked. And somehow that got around before there was an internet to go crying to.
i think that's quite different from Disney and Paramount, on a production level, trying very hard to overproduce both franchises and try very hard to pander to everyone all at once. Which we know is a surefire way to crash them.
I guess at least we got Andor though. It's not all terrible, but it's mostly pretty bad because they really aren't like letting creative people do creative things with the franchises and tell compelling stories.
that said, we are finally getting the theatrical version of Star Wars next year... after not having it for 30 years. completely nonsense that was. it will be nice to have the OG OG trilogy again w/o the stupid CGI crap.
It's more that the internet demands that I'm constantly outraged, but I want to spend the majority of my time being chill and happy. I can get my dander up for most things the internet wants me to be mad about, I just... don't.
Rage bait is the worst internet trend to date. Yeah yeah, I know trolling always existed, but it was actually funny sometimes, done to bait assholes or uppity people usually, and done for the love of the game. Rage bait is just doing something out if pocket or legitimately bad just to get eyeballs on you which now translates to free money for them because the world is a fucked up place that rewards people with no principles now. My wife just saw a TikTok video where some jackass stuck his hand down his pants and the rubbed his hand on his toddler's face. What the actual fuck are we doing, humanity?
It got monetized. Read up on a Google published white paper “Attention is all you Need” from 2017 and you’ll understand how it all went to shit so quickly.
IMO people will come around. Not quickly and not without a bunch of good things about the internet dying off… but eventually an equilibrium will be reached.
I would be much more persuaded by this argument if someone could draw a connection between my internal experience of anger and a Palestinian's internal experience of being chill and happy. Do donations made in anger count double or something?
The Holocaust. Khmer Rouge. The Rape of Nanjing. Global Warming.
See? Words are easy.
It isn’t that people don’t care enough, it’s that they only have so much to go around and there is no cause so important that you get to dictate someone else’s state of mind 24/7 just because you say tragic words. Keep the fire burning but don’t think you get to sneer at others just because they’re burned out at the moment.
Firefox purity testing. Oh no they ran an ad or made a post on a mainstream platform or developed a widget. Look at the state of the world this is such a non issue and compared to the other browsers out there they are fighting the good fight unequivocally.
I had to lol at Firefox today, it wouldn't let me log into my modem because it was DANGEROUS. Awwww. Lucky I have Librefox as well, it lets me play with matches and drink puddle water.
librewolf but also any flavor of chrome should show the same warning for self signed certs, for the first time. check it in a private window of librewolf
Especially with the World Cup stuff that you can turn off with two clicks. Everyone and their dog watches football, this is the single most uncontroversial thing the nerd browser can add to appeal to new people
Like ProtonVPN whos ceo once praised the appointement of some judge who had done good things before (anti big corpo something IIRC), but he was appointed by trump.
Yeah, not super duper smart there, but years and years and years of fantastic experience? Worthless I guess.
Usually anything to do with celebrity drama. While it's not that common on Lemmy, the rest of the pop internet seems infatuated with what actor/musician threw shade or dissed some other, or which diva is being treated SO unfairly...
A lot of celebrity gossip is rooted in the true crime aspect of it. Like the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives drama - one of the women was literally throwing metal barstools at her children while fighting with her partner. The outrage stems from people wanting her held accountable in some form. And the networks know that outrage will spur more views.
I don't see it any different than indulging in sports gossip or even Fediverse related gossip (Tesseract incident, anyone?). People like to indulge in some judgment and outrage at others. It can be unhealthy, but mostly I think it's a rather neutral, human thing to do.
Also, the person being offended usually isn't even from the target culture. They're being vicariously offended on behalf of somebody else, when the actual members of that culture usually dgaf or like it.
Taylor Swift. Like, I get that billionaires are a problem, and her carbon footprint is huge. On the list of problematic billionaires, I feel like she really doesn't do that much problematic shit compared to the others.
Musk is a Nazi that gutted the US govt, Ellison has a laundry list of major issues, bezos is killing small businesses and bought a news company to whitewash himself, gates was involved with Epstein and did some shady shit to grow Microsoft, the waltons single handedly massacred thousands (millions?) of small businesses with anticompetitive practices.
I really don't think that Swift rises remotely close to the same level of degeneracy and existential threat that these guys do, yet the only other billionaire I see getting criticised as much as her is Musk.
I think I wrote this in a few hundred comments already. It's a little weird people make it about physical games, it's not really about that, physical games are dead on PC, barely anyone cares. It's about Sony locking people into the Playstation Store and having full control over prices. With physical copies you can buy them wherever you want and they usually go down in price relatively quickly after release. Digital store prices remain high for years after release and only drop sometimes during sales, but even then they drop to the level of physical copies. The other issue are used games, at the moment that only works with physical copies.
That doesn't bother me. If a price is higher than I want to pay, I'll just not pay it and go play something else. There's so much more gaming out there than anybody could ever have time to get through in a hundred lifetimes.
Same here. In fact I own almost no physical media anymore except for a few rare CD’s and vinyl. All my games are digital.
The argument that this damages the preowned game market is valid to a point. Though anymore any time I shop for preowned games they’re close enough in price to new games that I don’t see the point. And if that level of greed has infiltrated that market, maybe it deserves to die.
I know someone is going to yell at me about that but that’s kinda how I see it.
tbf i buy physical mostly because it's cheaper than digital. typically a big realse will get a 50% discount on the physical while it's only getting like 20% on digital stores.
esp for AAA and AA games. typically only for indie titles is the physical more expensive.
I do think that once they get rid of physical you will no longer being seeing massive discounts on digital games. or you might see stuff where new releases come out at triple digit prices.
How many music streaming services and digital downloads of mp3 and flacs remain playable on only certain hardware?
The music digital space is much more open than console games, which will only work on very specific hardware. And DRM free downloads. Music is one space that is surprisingly pro consumer when it comes to compatibility and control of purchases.
If consoles were as open as PCs, being able to install any OS and programs on it then physical shift would be less of an issue on consoles. Consoles are so locked down they can get away with paywalling multiplayer, and even jailbreak can't really bypass that.
You don't care because you don't buy physical games. I don't care because I resolved not to give Sony a single red cent ever again some time in about 2005. We are not the same.
I agree with it in principle, particularly for the people who want that physical copy (my kids are big on nostalgic media) but yeah, I've been going pure digital for a long time.
Being interested in celebrity gossip is not mutually exclusive to caring about politics or more meaningful things, but I understand why people don't care about celebrity gossip.
I see this a lot here and it's curious! Because would you say the same about other hobbies? That they're a waste of energy because that could be applied to changing things now?
I'm specifically talking about dead celebrities. People like to point out that HP Lovecraft was racist, Gary Gygax was sexist and Clark Gable was fascist. All true and well-known, but it's much too late to change their minds about it. Whereas racism, sexism and fascism are going on outside our windows right now and can still be affected.
I love Tolkien. I don't like what Amazon did with Rings of Power, but I just didn't watch it, simple as that. That's how the free market works. People make a sucky product. You don't buy the sucky product, they stop making the sucky product. And if they don't stop making the sucky product, you make your own hopefully less sucky product. I don't have the energy to complain about it online.
I watched it, but honestly it's still far, far too much for just the Hobbit. 4 hours, I think? I'm pretty sure I could just read the book in that time.
The writers couldn't have made anything good out of what little they were licensed to use, IMO.
But the main complaint online, that Galadriel is abrasive and bossy, doesn't gel with me because that's literally part of her character growth. I'm too lazy to look up the exact passage in the Silmarillion, but the reason she joined the Noldor's exodus out of Aman was to set herself up as a ruler. By the time the Fellowship meets her in LOTR she's thousands of years wiser.
I strongly dislike when a single book is turned into multiple movies. You get 1-2 movies of nothing but set-up and trying to turn minor events into a climax, then one manic movie of nothing but climax
My personal annoyance is with the hubris required to think you can write LOTR lore better than Tolkien. All the money in the history of the universe couldn't facilitate that. Amazon sucks.
I wish more people could understand that you can just... not consume something. You not liking it doesn't make it bad and it doesn't make other people inferior for enjoying it.
Pineapple on pizza. I don't even like it that much but holy shit, shut the fuck up about it. You must have zero personality if you think it bring it up
Stop killing games. I'm not saying it's a bad or wrong stance, just that there are so many other way more important things taking up all my fucks that I'm all out of fucks for that one.
I think it would have been a good first start for other good things to happen. Not necessarily related to games but to digital content in general. It bothers me that something gathered so many signatures to adhere the "official" ways, and yet it was not listened anyway.
Almost any single thing about movies or shows. I don't consume either and literally could not care less about any of it. Double whammy with superhero stuff.
Maybe they just watch shows passively, like my grandmother does. She watches Murder She Wrote, Judge Judy, Jeopardy, but she doesn't really care about any of those shows and doesn't really absorb what she watches.
Or maybe they mainly read books or play video games or just don't consume entertainment at all
It's the second one, video games. I much prefer to play something than watch something, unless I am actively doing something where I cannot play a game, such as eating. But then it's Youtube over any sort of Hollywood thing.
Video games. I would much rather control what I am viewing on screen. It's not even about actively engaging my mind, I just much prefer to play something than watch something. I do watch things while I eat, but that is solely YouTube and mostly from creators who seem like normal people rather than anything with a big budget.
Similarly, I absolutely will not sit there and watch a Twitch stream either. I much prefer to play my own thing.
That is a rational and emotionally stable world view. And I hate it. Where's the emotional outrage?! The uncontrollable urge to bash your head against the wall? The yelling at innocent strangers on the internet?! TELL ME!
What a CEO or founder of a company does off the clock. Brave, Mozilla, Mullvad, Proton, GrapheneOS - I just don't care. If I picked a product off of the CEO not being a dick, I wouldnt have any products or services to use.
The trend is dying out but, I never understood the labubu hate. It seems like the people who hate them dont even hate the worst aspect of labubus; blind box gambling. I just couldnt seem to find the rational of visceral reaction to a doll.
Astrobot alone made the purchase worth it. We had more fun playing that game than anything exclusive on Xbox in the last 3 years. Truly a magnificent game. We own both, play both, and enjoy both.
I have long agreed the fight for game preservation and access has been important, but I’ll admit I have a hard time with the stern argument that discs were key to that.
For me, physical media in general. Modern software is not static. It's too complex. Asking for a bug-free game is basically impossible, so you need a way to update it.
People want me to be outraged at Taylor Swift simply for being a billionaire and possibly having questionable people at her wedding. Is she morally perfect? No. I wish she didn't fly around on her private jet so much. But she is a much better person morally than most rich people. She is reportedly a really kind person to work for, cares about her employees, pays well, and donates a lot to charity. Could she do more? Sure, but we could all do more. Almost everyone could be giving away more of their money to help others. And the outrage over her having a big wedding that supposedly blocked off traffic and stuff. It was a holiday weekend, it can't have been that big of an inconvenience. How dare she rent out a space that anyone can rent out for a big party. She paid for the security too, contrary to claims that taxpayers paid for it.
Yeah, I'm not going to be mad at a generally kind and generous person simply for being rich. A large part of her billionaire status is her intellectual property. Should she not own the rights to the music she created?
Scoff all you want, but she wrote almost all of her songs. Which probably IS unusual these times, and I was surprised too when I looked it up. But she's actually still working, training to dance, singing, writing lyrics and music, touring, traveling, entertaining.
I can't bring myself to care about "iPad kids" the way the internet wants. Seems like another way to bash parents and blame the next generation for all the woes of society.
I used to not care about iPad kids until I had a long conversation with a school teacher friend who explained the drastic drop in reading, writing and comprehension in the latest batches of kids she teaches. Now I still do not care, but I understand the outrage behind it and why some treat it as child abuse/neglect.
It's because they are pandemic kids. Schools refused to adapt to the fact that the kids basically lost 2 years of education. Instead of giving the 5th graders 3rd grade materials, they just let the kids who lacked foundation fall further and further behind. It impacted every grade level, but the ones who were younger were the worst impacted. Research shows if you're behind on reading in 3rd grade, you'll probably be behind for the rest of your time in school.
Schools refused to adapt to the fact that the kids basically lost 2 years of education.
Yep, a lot of school funding is tied to passing students on to the next grade. And teachers have been severely undermined here in the states. It all compounds into this huge problem we're facing now.
I understand the outrage behind it, but more often than not when the argument is going on the internet, it's simply people without children hating on parents.
I focus on my own child and their achievements in reading, writing, and comprehension and let the critics words fall on deaf ears personally. It's entirely possible and more common than you'd think to allow children access to screens and still have them receive a quality education.
Yep I totally get it. Covid didn’t help these kids either.
In the US, it’s a huge multi-faceted problem. We’ve successfully undermined our teachers at almost every step of the way. We guarantee zero parental leave and protections when parents have children. It’s very difficult to have a family without both parents working. There’s many reasons why kids are not performing at university levels when they get there.
I can’t get worked up about it the way the internet always seems to get its panties in a bunch about it. I make sure my child is ready for the next step in their education and ignore the discourse.
Is climate change bad? Very bad, existentially bad. Do I want it to happen? No. Do I try to take steps to mitigate it? Yes, I put my drop in the bucket and vote for people who support policies that would help.
But we're eyeballs deep in Brandolini's Law at this point and by the time we get ourselves out of the quicksand, massive change will have taken its toll.
I'm not saying we shouldn't take action, but working ourselves in to a spittle-flecked outrage everytime someone says something stupid on social media is a waste of energy when we're already in damage control mode. The battle lines have been drawn for decades and the backlash effect is a very real phenomena.
Economics is going to win this fight before logic and debate does.
"Problematic media." People who whinge over this are oversensitive children that treat fictional characters better than real people, think people can't separate fiction from reality, and actively enable censorship states like the UK.
"Gooner," "porn addiction," and adjacent complaints. "Gooners" seem much more well put together to me than the people who hate on them. I swear this is another effort from the global Conservative apparatus to increase repression as a bid to increase the popularity of their social policies. Also I swear some of you just see a woman who looks under 40 in media and call it gooner.
"Cultural appropriation." Not to say it doesn't exist, but it's been completely blown out of proportion, and probably does more to divide us than it does to protect anything. The modern discussion around it assumes everyone is an influencer doing things for money or power.
They can’t. I’m probably taking a tangent from what you intended but the last decade in the us has clearly demonstrated that people can’t distinguish fiction from reality. That people’s words with a global audience can be very harmful even when easily disproven.
We need to clearly distinguish “news” media from opinion media and hold news to reality. Opinion shows on Fox “News” are a great example of problematic media that needs to be addressed, as is a billionaire owner overriding the news desk of a formerly reputable news service
Cybertrucks. I saw a thread here recently and people were way to passionate about it imo. I'm not going to spend my energy worrying about the mere existence of an ugly car.
You wanna buy an overpriced, terrible vehicle that's the brainchild of the mastermind who was too weird even for Jeffrey Epstein. Knock yourself out buddy.
That I have to share the road with these chucklefucks, having seen how feverish they are to let the clankers take over driving said giant piece of shit vehicle? I would be lying if I said I didn't have concerns.
The indifference ends at the point where I'm unable to opt out of participation in their bullshit.
Insert latest corporate shareholder or position event here:
I have found almost none of the backlash or headlines that people on the internet, especially Lemmy, want you to be pissed off about, annoying to me enough to actually Care about.
Everything you can think of probably. I would prefer a lot of things to be different but I'm happier when I'm just minding my own business and the world won't get any better from me being outraged.
Shitty art is so far down the list of reasons that people have to not like AI. You either don't understand the argument against it, or you're intentionally downplaying it.
Apparently I'm supposed to hate standup comedians when they do anything the internet doesn't like. Because comedians are supposed to be embodiments of moral virtue? I still like Louis CK and Bill Burr.
I like Burr's comedy but can't defend him doing a comedy show in Saudi Arabia. Louis CK is wildly more problematic. Great that he acknowledged what he was doing wrong after the fact but he always struck me as an intelligent enough comedian to know what he was doing was problematic, to say the least.
As the resident of an actual city, with train tracks and shit. I don't think datacenter noise pollution is a big deal. They are bad for many other reasons, but the noise complaints are a losing battle.
A constant 24/7 60 decibel whine would be infuriating.
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/data-center-noise-pollution-dowagiac-michigan-blasts-homes
And noise pollution has health impacts, "Due to an increasing number of mechanistic and epidemiological cohort studies, the past twenty years have seen a shift from skepticism that noise could affect non-auditory health, to increasing evidence for effects on cardiometabolic disease, annoyance, sleep disturbance, mental health, dementia, and children's learning. Evidence for mechanisms via cortical activation and stress hormones leading to increased vascular and cerebral inflammation and oxidative stress has increased." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935126009795
Student cheating. If they can get away with it and somehow translate that into getting a job, good for them, if companies use degrees as a lazy way of filtering applications they deserve to get ripped off. Taking grades seriously like their integrity has moral weight is for people who have been severely manipulated.
I can't agree. Cheating is inherently a lack of honor and cutting corners. I don't want a doctor that I can't trust and who takes the easiest possible route in my treatment. That's already bad enough as it is, just saying "it'll get better probably, let me know if not. That'll be 5000 dollars". Plus you have to actually know stuff to grt certain jobs. School is not a useless ritualistic song and dance.
Eh I have mixed feelings, in some fields yes I 100% agree I’d say MOST fields I fully agree but there are fields where this would get people hurt or killed, medicine, architecture, civil engineering etc. where I do think cheating can have very serious consequences.
I do also think that exams are often a pretty bad way of checking how well a concept is understood and grades often show how well certain things are memorized instead.
I should probably do some more research before I say anything more about this though as that impression is mostly anecdotal.
That is how exams usually are though for classes like physics, chemistry, and physics where memorization won't save you with it being solving problems to arrive to the correct solution.
Something like anatomy is pure memorization so being memorization is no issue, since it is just learning names of musicles, nerves, and bones. And when it comes to classes like physiology it builds on knowing what you knew from anatomy, but being tested on how well you can actually explain the mechanisms of what is going on within the body.
I guess it depends on the subject if an exam is just memorization based or not and leaves students knowing nothing.
I had one class in University during my programming degree I didn't understand at all. It was as if I was missing 3 classes of buildup, super advanced maths. No matter how much I asked for help or studied, I just didn't get it. I was actually really distressed by it.
In desperation, I just memorised every question and answer in the book. Every day, hours of rote memorisation. The exam is worth 60%… and I ended up with a distinction grade. I think that's equivalent to an A- or 3.7 GPA in North American.
I still have zero understanding of that class, and I've never needed to use it either. It feels like they just threw it in there as torture filler. I think that's a perfect example of what you mean.
I guess that's fair, but most of the complaining about this I see online is for stuff like people not writing their own essays. I also think the more pressing issue that's getting people killed in those cases are artificial barriers to access, like if the barriers to practicing medicine were drastically reduced then at least people would be able to get treatment to begin with, and it's not like having gotten good grades by successfully cramming for exams guarantees professional competence.
But as a society we should have formal qualifications to make it easy to verify knowledge and streamline basic competency. The idea behind a degree is good the implantation of dogshit degrees being handed out to everyone is the issue.
It's a broader topic, but I disagree, the strategy of outsourcing trust to centralized institutions this way is fundamentally a bad one, and naturally becomes more dysfunctional the more it is used. People need to exercise more of their own judgment, and rely more on the judgment of people they know personally. It's just too much weight for one structure to bear.
Outsourcing trust is a core part of society. We should be able to rely on parts of society. Otherwise we have everyone trying to do their own thing and its ineffective and a waste of time and effort.
Of course some form of coordination is useful, but no single metric can handle that much pressure. It should be obvious by now that our society is relying too heavily on these credentials, and that they have become less useful to everyone because of that.
It isn't old information, they still regularly have issues
"They're fine except the vehicle that I'm choosing to ignore" is a hell of a sentiment when the one you're ignoring literally lights itself on fire and gets stuck doing anything that a shitty US made truck can do offroad.
I don't even know what you're trying to say with the last sentence, it makes no sense.
Now they were one of the first electric cars you could buy that was travel viable, and they aren't worth anything to sell. So I can understand why people keep them. I wouldn't buy a new one though.
As a reminder to anyone downvoting, the original Tesla cars were invented by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, genuine engineers and good guys. It’s taken a long time for South African Nazis to poison it, but the Cybertruck is very much the apex of it.
outrage is just stupid and pointless. all it really is jerking your own ego off and it's a form of getting high on your own supply.
i think my favorite part is like, caring about an issue, but because you won't fly off the handle into a violent verbal outburst about it, you're clearly a nazi/facist/whatever. especially if you like would like to discuss it in an informed or nuanced way that might elucidate it or provide a sustainable path for progress... no we can't have that.
oh, that's weird. i thought it those things change because people vote for laws that change those things.
i didn't know sitting around being very angry changes the world. i thought changing the world required going out into the world and doing things, and you don't have to be angry to do that, but you do... have to do it.
oh, that’s weird. i thought it those things change because people vote for laws that change those things.
People didn't vote to end slavery. There were whole wars about it.
Also women didn't earn the right to vote through voting.
The seed for the first Woman's Rights Convention in the United States in Seneca Falls, New York, was planted in 1840, when Elizabeth Cady Stanton met Lucretia Mott at the World Anti-Slavery Convention in London. The conference refused to seat Mott and other women delegates from the U.S. because of their sex. In 1851, Stanton met temperance worker Susan B. Anthony, and shortly the two would be joined in the long struggle to secure the vote for women in the U.S. In 1868 Anthony encouraged working women from the printing and sewing trades in New York, who were excluded from men's trade unions, to form Working Women's Associations. As a delegate to the National Labor Congress in 1868, Anthony persuaded the committee on female labor to call for votes for women and equal pay for equal work. The men at the conference deleted the reference to the vote.[22] In the US, women in the Wyoming Territory were permitted to both vote and stand for office in 1869.[23] Subsequent American suffrage groups often disagreed on tactics, with the National American Woman Suffrage Association arguing for a state-by-state campaign and the National Woman's Party focusing on an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[24][25][26]
One major division, especially in Britain, was between suffragists, who sought to create change constitutionally, and suffragettes, led by English political activist Emmeline Pankhurst, who in 1903 formed the more militant Women's Social and Political Union.[47] Pankhurst would not be satisfied with anything but action on the question of women's enfranchisement, with "deeds, not words" the organization's motto.[48][49]
Power will never be freely given. Anger creates movements, movements create action, and action causes change. I'm not saying voting isn't part of the equation but not in the way you think it does.
creates a bunch of very angry stupid people who think the world should be changed to benefit themselves at the cost of everyone else, who end up voting for folks who fuck them over.
That's not the example I was thinking of but honestly yeah. Trump took power on the strength of that anger, bullshit though it may be. Not every change is a good one, but it demonstrates the effectiveness and now he will sit back and claim any anger against his regime is wrong. It's a classic technique.
Sure, black slaves were given equal rights because they politely asked and then white people simply voted for it!
John Brown was first and foremost outraged by the lot of his fellow humans. That anger pushed him to act. Same goes with the British revolution, the American revolution, the French revolution and the Russian revolution. Outrage, anger then action.
As an American I'm told repeatedly "You'll be sorry" by Canadians that don't like the US. I couldn't give any less of a shit about Canada or their opinions.
It’s more that the US is going to have to lay in the bed they’ve made, which is not likely to be a comfortable one. But Americans are impressively apathetic and good at blaming others for their own self-made misfortunes, so truly you’re right and your country will never really be sorry. Your government will just point a finger at someone else and insist that they need to be bombed to make life better.
Yes, various groups trying to solve a problem that barely exists by creating problems orders of magnitude worse but gives them more power. But surely there are no nefarious motivations there.
I am not saying online grooming is not a problem, but as you said, it happens on public spaces like Roblox, where predators can find children. Chat Control is unnecessary to monitor those. Random youtubers have been able to do that. No need to build a massive spy apparatus. Instead, of adressing this, Chat Control tries to pry open secure communications like Signal used by journalists, protesters, etc. Applications where grooming is not much of an issue as you only communicate with your existing contacts.
Chat Control ignores the rampant grooming in plain sight while trying to spy on communications where it is rare. So tell me, am I paranoid to think they have different motivation to breach those and are only using "protecting kids" as an excuse?
So tell me, am I paranoid to think they have different motivation to breach those and are only using “protecting kids” as an excuse?
I don't think you're paranoid, more uninformed.
Chat Control proposed two things:
Some, let's call them, 'anti-grooming', common sense rules by default. They propose identifying high risk services in which you can for example search users by age and send them private messages. Those services would be required to do things like age verification to separate children from adults. If services don't want to do age verification they have to implement measures like not letting users send private messages to everyone, not being able to search by age, limiting what info is visible to other users (pictures? names? locations? interests?), limiting public spaces (do you need common, public chats in Roblox or can it be limited to chats with friends only?) and so on. I think this is way better than hoping youtube vigilantes will look for pedos for views.
The other thing they are trying to solve is using e2ee messaging apps to distribute CSAM. Here they don't want to touch encryption in any way and the proposal is to let providers voluntarily scan media client side. This was proposed as mandatory at first but was changed later. This is the part people don't like as it indirectly forces providers to scan media client side. Nobody likes it but no one proposed any other solution to limit distribution of CSAM.
So what you're describing is not very accurate. No one is proposing large scale monitoring using some massive spy apparatus. They do actually propose common sense solutions implemented by individual services (how you search users, who can you contact, etc). No one is also proposing breaking e2ee and monitoring messages, the most controversial part is about client side scanning of media. And the original proposal was different but after talking with many privacy groups it was changed. Now it's very close to what privacy advocates are proposing with the only problematic part being the client side scanning. Privacy advocates simply propose to ignore the issue of distributing CSAM and EU still wants to address it.
If you think client side scanning is not a massive spy apparatus, you don't understand the technology. There is no such thing as purely on device CSAM detection. See Discord banning people for minecraft inventory pictures if you need an example how broken the automated part of the technology is. It's just sending messagis to law enforcement to read with extra steps.
As for the first part, Chat Control is not mandating age verification. It's identity verification. If a beraucrat decides lemmy.world is a risk, you will have to provide an ID to post here regardless of your age and the instance admin will have to use their limited abilities to store and protect them. Good luck with that shit. That is a spy apparatus. And it is unnecessary. The conversations are public. Instead of just letting the predators find a different place, create a better reporting system. Or hell, at least make it an actual age verification using Zero Knowledge proofs. But they don't want to do that, they want our identities.
Same thing with CSAM, you don't get born knowing the phone number of your local CSAM distributor. Law enforcement can monitor for people advertising. They can pose as interested people or distributors. There is no reason to break encryption over this. Nor is it even possible while open source exists.
If you think client side scanning is not a massive spy apparatus, you don’t understand the technology.
I think scanning of media is not a massive spy apparatus. Breaking e2ee and scanning of all communications would be. If they want to monitor journalists and protesters by only scanning media they are doing shit job at building their spy apparatus.
The conversations are public.
No they are not, most of social media (if not all) has some direct message mechanism.
Instead of just letting the predators find a different place, create a better reporting system.
Most kids don't report those things. This is part of the problem and Chat Control does address that by mandating better reporting systems.
As for the first part, Chat Control is not mandating age verification.
It does:
""" 3.Providers of interpersonal communications services that have identified, pursuant to the risk assessment conducted or updated in accordance with Article 3, a risk of use of their services for the purpose of the solicitation of children, shall take the necessary age verification and age assessment measures to reliably identify child users on their services, enabling them to take the mitigation measures. """
Chat Control only talks about identifying child users. I don't see anything there that mandates storing of IDs. Can you point me to the relevant part of the legislation?
Same thing with CSAM, you don’t get born knowing the phone number of your local CSAM distributor. Law enforcement can monitor for people advertising. They can pose as interested people or distributors.
And I'm sure law enforcement already does that. As I said, privacy advocates think that's enough and this problem should not be addressed by EU. EU think it should. Chat Control was not approved yet, there are discussions to find the right solution.
You are reading the text and not thinking what it looks like in reality.
I think scanning of media is not a massive spy apparatus. Breaking e2ee and scanning of all communications would be. If they want to monitor journalists and protesters by only scanning media they are doing shit job at building their spy apparatus.
What happens when the scan identifies an image as CSAM? If the answer is notify authorities with unencrypted chat, then it is a spy apparatus. The false positives are high enough that they will get to read countless innocent conversations and there are ways to intentionally induce false positives if you want specific conversations. And if it does not report, then what does it do?
No they are not, most of social media (if not all) has some direct message mechanism.
Those are rarely available to strangers by default and I have no issue in banning direct DMs to strangers.
Most kids don't report those things. This is part of the problem and Chat Control does address that by mandating better reporting systems.
So there is one decent thing in this law, let's pass all the privacy invasive stuff as well. /s I have no issue with better reporting, but the chat monitoring needs to go.
Chat Control only talks about identifying child users. I don't see anything there that mandates storing of IDs. Can you point me to the relevant part of the legislation?
Sure, so how is a company supposed to implement it? Only to government issuing IDs can realistically provide Zero Knowledge proofs. If they don't support this option, companies can't really use it. And companies generally need to keep records that prove they are complying with the law, which is again impossible while preserving privacy unless the government helps.
And I'm sure law enforcement already does that.
Just google how underfunded to agencies responding to existing reports are. They are not doing anywhere near what they could.
Chat Control was not approved yet, there are discussions to find the right solution.
The reason it did not pass so far is because of privacy advocates spreading awareness of how fucking broken the law is and creating push back. The time to consult experts and improve the law was in the EU commission, before putting it to vote in the Parliament. Clearly they did not care to protect privacy until people pushed back. The commission and other supporters are still looking for ways to pass it without addressing the privacy issue. See recent emergency measure passed using vacations to bypass a proper vote.
I am sure there are people that support the bill with good intentions but I have lost any fate in the EU to care for the privacy of its citizens.
i/p is not a psyop but the whirlwind that whipped it into international politics most certainly is as well as the barely masked anti-jew subliminal messaging
and look at your downvotes; it worked
it will fade and disappear at some point at least until the next mass casualty terrorist attack
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Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 138 pts · 23d
Steam. Apparently I'm supposed to be angry they are a locked down monopoly but compared to practically EVERY OTHER GAMING COMPANY IN THE WORLD they are frickin' saints.
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 44 pts · 23d
Yeah, it's one of those things where one could argue that steam is successful in part to being entrenched (all of your friends are on steam and all of your games are on steam, so might as well continue using steam), but also.. other game launchers are just worse? The fact steam has a lot of useful features, as well as surprisingly few scummy incidents in its history just makes it not worth switching off for me :p
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 23d
Do other launchers have the workshop functionality to add mods directly from their launcher? That's been something I love about steam
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 11 pts · 23d
All the ones I can think of are for individual games rather than general launchers lol. And third party mod launchers that you have to add your own games obtained elsewhere :p
For me steam input the big one that pulls me towards steam; seamless proton integration too, but that one I could handle losing, steam input on the other hand I think is one of the best input remappers out there, I even added all my non-steam games to steam to make use of it too haha
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 23d
I definitely have some games I need to use nexus mods for (looking at you stardew) but it's honestly such little hassle that I don't mind.
northernlights@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 23d
They've done so much for gaming on Linux I forgive them for having a convenient launcher that launches everything
stoy@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 23d
Yeah, I saw an article about Epic's CEO having a gormless rant about Steams AI filtering and how but Steam was for them.
All I could think was: "well, make a better product then"
GOG Galaxy is the only launcher / storefront that comes close to competing with Steam, and that is because the one thing they do better:
DRM-free games.
The rest is about equal or slightly worse.
If Epic looked at the customer base and analyzed what people wanted I am sure they could build a better platform than Steam, but with a CEO as unlikable as Epic's and with his trackrecord it would take many years of hard work and effort to even begin to come close to Steam.
It would probably take some massive PE/VC enforced changes at Valve where they start to enshittify Steam and the loss of confidence in the platform that will follow to make the other platforms competitive.
EtnaAtsume@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23d
Make no mistake, it's coming eventually. I held off on trusting discord for years buy finally they won me over. Now look where we are.
Never again.
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 22d
Valve has been around since 1996, Steam since 2003
Discord has been around since 2015 and was funded on VC money.
Kind of different situations lmao.
urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe · 3 pts · 22d
Sure, but once Gabe passes the torch it’s just a matter of if the person(s) getting it gets a big enough blank check to walk away from it
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 22d
That's true, but we're not at that point yet so... What is your point? They've managed to thrive as a private corporation up to this point, clearly everyone working there is making bank too and treated well. (From all accounts I've read) so I'd hope the incentive is higher to keep with the same philosophy for whoever comes after. Of course hard to say, can't undercut the greed some people have for making more money then they literally could ever spend.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 22d
I have decided to bite the sour apple, as we say in Sweden, and overpay for the last two hard drives for my NAS build to complete it, then I will grab every offline installer for my games I can find and keep a local copy.
32TB of storage that can loose two drives before any data loss, a solid start for backups, media and software.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
Which games are DRM free on GOG but not on Steam?
stoy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 22d
When I say DRM free games, I mean those with a standalone installer containing the full game that can be downloaded for offline use.
If this is available on Steam, ai would be overjoyed
Nibodhika@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21d
Installers are just fancy zipped folder. And AFAIK, all games that are DRM free on GoG are also DRM free on Steam. So you can download the game, zip the game data folder, copy it elsewhere, unzip it and play it there. I've done that with several games, in fact when I was trying to convince some friends to buy a game I did that so we could play it in lan with a single copy so they would try it and buy it so we could play it online later.
So, yeah, you can absolutely do that in Steam, which is why I never get the "oh, but GoG has DRM free games" appeal.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 23d
They don't have any monopoly. There are plenty alternatives and all are trash.
the16bitgamer@programming.dev · 10 pts · 22d
I buy based on trust, and at this time, steam hasn’t lost it.
They’ve made their drm more lax over the years while Sony and microslop have worsened theirs. Like how you couldn’t easily play your games offline before steam deck.
Still buying my games from GOG first though.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 23d
In comparison they are very good, however that can turn on a dime real damn quick.
Scenario: gaben ded, bilzzard exec buys steam and it goes public. Hello enshittification
Crashumbc@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 21d
This is exactly why I'll never own a house in a HOA, no matter how good the current board is....
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21d
HOAs are hell. I'll never go near one.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 22d
True, but every option comes down to a hypothetical scenario which does speak of how it is at a decent place.
And pc being an open hardware open OS system makes it so people can just hop to something, and have alternative means like piracy if worst comes to worse.
PC benefit in the end is control over hardware, the programs we can run on it, and modifications that can be done to it. Something that requires hoping for jailbreaks when it comes to consoles.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 3 pts · 22d
So? As opposed to what, a corporation that is impossible for someone bad to take over? That doesn't exist. Anything can happen at any time, but no use speculating about a 180 in policy. And they don't actually have a monopoly, people just love them so much that they but almost exclusively there. If Steam gets shitty, I will buy from a different PC game store.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 22d
I'd argue they do have a monopoly. My friends don't know how to get a game if it isnt on steam. They are scared if I show them a game on a website to get (like armegatron).
I'm just saying, do not trust steam, make sure your games are truly DRM free, and be ready to pay subscription pricing for downloads and steam cloud saves. With server storage pricing being insane and gonna keep climbing, they can't keep giving you unlimited downloads and storage forever.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 3 pts · 22d
First one is a quintessential skill issue.
DRM free would improve Steam, I'm with you there. But if we're talking about theoretical enshittification, there is nothing to stop them from adding DRM to existing purchases. And then you'd have to had to make a backup of every exe you downloaded, and not care about cloud saves, etc...so I'm saying I get your point kinda but there isn't much point in speculating because services like that can always change unless the law prevents it. Which it SHOULD, but I'm not holding my breath. So all we can do is reward good behavior with how we spend money.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 22d
Yep I'd agree. I just am wary of any walled garden, because once they lock you in and kill off everything else (ie, the goal of capitalism) youre fucked. See: apple, amazon, google, etc.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 21d
How is steam a walled garden? Thus far they've been acting in favour of compatibility, to the contrary.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 21d
Its better than others. But still, its "where all your friends are". No one is going to use anything else because everyone uses steam.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 7 pts · 23d
yeah but they support linux gaming!
and if you don't use a linux PC to game, you're a stupid ignorant complacent fool who is destroying society.
or so I have been told like every other day on lemmy. owning a playstation or a switch is like ragebait to the user base here. apparently if i buy a switch i might as well support blowing up babies in gaza and mass rape as a genocidal tool, according to these folks.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 5 pts · 23d
Oh yeah that could be a whole different thread on here. I use Windows and Linux, I would love it if I could rid myself of Windows completely but Linux is not there, and I kinda doubt it will even be a total replacement for Windows. It's worth remembering Windows didn't become the monolith that it is for no reason, people wanted 1 application that could easily do... Well everything without needing a lot of manual fine-tuning. That ain't Linux.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 23d
i don't even PC game anymore because it's just not worth the headache. i also work on a PCs all day at work, so I want to sit on my couch to play games and not sit in front of a monitor for more hours of the day.
And the reply is always 'you are a retard then'. Yes, clearly, I am.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 23d
There's no headache with PC gaming, this isn't the 90s. You can plug a computer into a tv and use a controller.
AskewLord@piefed.social · -3 pts · 23d
Right, that's why when I tried to play fallout last year it kept crashing and crashing and throwing errors and fucking up, and i had to download custom drivers and edit files to get it to be somewhat more stable.
but when i bought it on my playstation 5 it didn't do that.
weird how that works. also did similar stuff when I tried to replay xcom. so i just gave up. or how i have to give my nephews tech support every other month for their gaming pcs where games won't load or play or frequently crash.
but please tell me how I'm wrong and pc gaming is perfect and wonderful and clearly I'm an idiot if I have a bad experience with games not working.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 10 pts · 23d
To be fair Fallout is a special stupid idiot that doesn't work on PC smoothly no matter what.
AskewLord@piefed.social · -1 pts · 23d
and i never bought into the pc gaming masterrace nonsense.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 22d
The strength of a gaming console is that it's a known quantity. My Switch will work the exact same as your Switch. Game devs can build and test with confidence.
This isn't true for PC; there's a huge variability factor. My PC is almost guaranteed to be different than your PC. The unfortunate truth is that you're correct: console games are more reliable, and they always will be. There is no world where that isn't the case. If you just want to play games without any friction, a console is the better choice.
People here don't want to hear that though and will lynch you 😂
AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 22d
yeah, i like console gaming because it just works. and i am too old too waste time trying to get games to work.
on rare occasional a console game will crash, but it's like a handful of times year. on PC i'm lucky to play for a few hours without a crash, or multiple crashes.
rain_worl@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
windows became a monolith because of sabotage. and then! the network effect. microsoft is actively trying to sabotage linux, and they've got internal documents stating that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents (the actual link is not loading)
microsoft doing monopolistic anticompetitive FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) practices dates back at least to 1992: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code (yeah... i found out about this from a youtube video.....)
and when was clippit (colloquially, clippy) introduced? ... 1996. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_97)
thus, using a clippy pfp is stupid. q.e.d.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 22d
Linux becoming more user friendly and accessible is a plus though for individuals who like diy PCs, but stuck with Windows due to game support. Compared to then and now moving away from Microsoft is less of a hassle. That is pretty huge for long time Windows PC gamers. Not just for gaming, but regular usage of computers.
From the sounds of it you dont like pc gaming in general, and that is fine. Do hope you can see how a non corporate OS alternative is a win though. Just having an option that is not a huge downgrade to a trillion dollar backed OS is amazing.
You are on the fediverse after all which is an alternative from company run social media like reddit. Which also has its ups and downs when it comes to accessibility much like PC gaming, but there are similar pros to it too that some giving it a chance.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 22d
please lecture me more about how ignorant I am.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 21d
Um... Lecture lecture lecture.
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 23d
I mean, I have a switch from like 8 years ago and while I enjoy it for the mobile gaming while on long flights I wouldn't buy a new one after all the shit Nintendo keeps pulling. I don't know which other handheld would be a good alternative, so I don't really throw shade at people buying new ones but I would like the company to hurt a bit.
MalMen@masto.pt · 0 pts · 23d
@Oni_eyes @AskewLord I use the steam deck for the same porpose. I bought a xbox few years ago to play read dead 2, the onlything that could probably make me buy another console would be gtav, and even there I already decided that im gonna wait for a version that works on linux or otherwise just gonna emulate it few years from now
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 23d
If I didn't already like palworld I would buy it just to hate on Nintendo more, but that's just me.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 23d
Yeah, the only people actually upset at Steam are people who have money tied up in other platforms. Steam is nothing but good for normal consumers.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · -3 pts · 23d
I would argue that is the other way around?
"The internet" in general keep arguing that steam dominant position is not relevant, while they forbid any dev to sell their game on other plataforms for less (don't even mention the steam keys because they are not part of the equation)
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 22d
That's a pretty standard retail agreement clause that's been around for decades before digital distribution. It's not unique to Steam at all, letalone them doing it uniquely.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 0 pts · 22d
And is abuse of dominant position when you control +80% of the market.
If a dev want a profit of 10us for game sold, it's has to sell as 13us on steam. But if I open a marketplace and only charge 10% they could sell it for 12, getting a better margin selling for less, but they can't if they want to use steam too. That affect players because cheaper options are not available, affect devs because they have less option, affect other stores because they can grow up competing on price.
And that's only possible because of Steam dominant position, because steam can strongarm devs into getting the same price as their competitors without reducing their 30% slice.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 22d
Again, this is a standard retail clause that has existed long before Steam. It would apply no matter what combination of retailers they choose to sell at because they all have this. This is why digital games are sold at the same price as physical copies when they cost less to distribute: the brick and mortar retailers have this same clause.
There's no good reason to treat this like a Steam-specific thing. Every retailer has such a clause, big or small. This entire idea is based on a frivolous class action suit that is not going anywhere because it's launched on the shaky grounds of the belief that Steam exclusively uses the MFN clause and that they think a 30% cut is too much.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21d
And it's not a altogether bad clause, it prevents a bad actor from heavily subsidizing their games and then destroying the market once they've run everyone else out of business.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 1 pts · 21d
The problem is that Steam have a dominant position on the market, when you do that regulations are different. Some markets with natural monopolies like energy distribution for example can't raise prices without being approved by a regulator, and so on. Again, the problem is not asking the same price for itself, is doing it while controlling+80% of the PC gaming market.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 21d
Which jurisdictions have this regulation? I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a leading retailer having to implement a disadvantageous sales agreement for the sake of their competition.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 1 pts · 21d
It's doesn't happen enough as it should be but, for example, it was found that Microsoft abused it's dominant position on the OS market to stablish IE as the standard on browsers and was forced to ask what browser the user wanted to install between Firefox, chrome, Opera and IE. That stopped once chrome took over.
Grimy@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 23d
"What's something the internet constantly gives a free pass to and simps for but should enrage people" wasn't the question. The internet is overall much more a defender of steam than the opposite.
The downvotes are kind of proving me right lol.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 15 pts · 23d
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 22d
This would be the comment I would write if I was promoted to respond like the most stereotypical reddit gamer possible.
Fluke@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 22d
The fact you have so much rage over that is amusing me greatly, I thought you should know.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 22d
Look at all the comments that came to steams defense. And yours, trying to like tease me? Lol.
You might think I'm wrong when I say there isn't much difference between steam and the others, but I'm not wrong when I say Steam is the internets darling. You're here literally proving me right, thank you for letting me know about it.
imeansurewhynot@sh.itjust.works · 104 pts · 23d
Reddit. They were irritating, so I left, but I couldn't care less if someone posts content here from teddit or(apparently gods forbid) mentions reddit.
I do not care about whatever happens with that company any more than I care about Apple or McDonald's or any other company with shitty products I don't engage with.
LordFireCrotch@lemmy.today · 33 pts · 23d
My only issue is the bots that mirror reddit content over.
And it's not that it's from reddit that bothers me, none of the posts I've seen ever have any engagement. So it feels like spam.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 23d
It's much better in the smaller more focused communities, which is reddits best use case anyway.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 23d
I mean if it is a community for reddit reposting or other social media its not so bad because you just block communities your not interested in.
imeansurewhynot@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 23d
totally, i manuelly block nearly any account that posts more than three things in one hour
AskewLord@piefed.social · 8 pts · 23d
i just block the people here who just spam content from reddit 50 times a day. and it's always the shittiest ragebait, and if you point it out, they go apeshit on you and harass you and report you and call you a facist/nazi etc.
then tend to be really dumb people who are true believers that post ragebait is 'fighting the good fight'.
imeansurewhynot@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 23d
me too, i manually black them all.
Aeri@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16d
Dude, Lemmy is literally Reddit Junior nobody using this website has a leg to stand on complaining about stuff from Reddit making its way here LOL.
imeansurewhynot@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 16d
Doesn't seem like it, Between the slower growth rate, lack of profit motive, decentralization and community funded instances, people act much more decently here. Reddit was pretty impotent-ragey from the get-go without a way to tune out the bigots. On lemmy, places like hexbear are easily exiled. Womensstuff has bigots, i blocked them, done.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io · 76 pts · 23d
Trans people: I don't care which sportball team you play on or what bathroom you use, just wash your hands when you're done.
Whatever is in your pants is none of my business unless you're trying to make it my business (in which case, I'm flattered, but in a monogamous relationship, sorry).
AmyAye@nord.pub · 18 pts · 22d
This should be the baseline bottom, but somehow its not. If you care or not or think its "wrong", just keep it to yourself because Trans people are not harming anyone.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 22d
I have met 4 Trans people in my entire life, and they are just normal kind people. They're not cheating at sports, or being weird in bathrooms, or anything people are fearmongering; they just want to live their life comfortable in their bodies
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 9 pts · 22d
I'm with you on this, but I'm also against the opposite: the blind praise and promotion of being trans for some reason. Look, if you have something wired in your brain different that makes you present as another gender, go ahead. Present yourself how you want, I can't imagine why I'd give much of a shit. It's a free country. But why do people have to constantly yap and take over every non right wing chud internet space to make it about being trans or related like talking about how hot femboys are. It's like...I mean honestly? A trend. And something major and life changing like that shouldn't be a trend. I'm sorry but that is dumb. Have your own spaces where you can talk about your own issues, sure. Don't be afraid to mention it in other spaces, sure. I'm cool with that. But maybe don't take over everyone else's spaces and make everything about you. Being annoying on purpose just doesn't work in your favor.
Also related, if psychologists and such agree that the best way to treat gender dysphoria is hormones, that's cool. But like maybe don't push socialized treatment for that so hard when we have literally nothing else socialized in healthcare. Priorities, you know? People are dying, every day, and cosmetic appearance for something a lot of people find weird and off putting is too easy of a target to keep healthcare terrible. I'm not saying it's right, but you have to pick your battles sometimes. Just like if you want to make someone not racist towards black people, maybe show them something like jazz or soul first, not hip hop. Is hip hop art? Absolutely, one of my favorite genres. But it's going to be an immediate turnoff if you jump to bad language and drug dealing and bitches and the other rap tropes. Should you have to cater to someone racist or transphobic? No, but that's the world we live in. Everyone gets to vote. and everyone starts somewhere with understanding people different than themselves.
Trans rights are human rights in the sense that you should be free to look and present how you want and not be harassed about it. But that doesn't mean you get to have everything you want, for free, and everyone has to not only treat and react to you exactly how you imagined it in your head, but also praise you for being different. That's not how the world works, for anything.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 22d
I definitely understand the annoyance, but I let it go because I understand how “Pride” works as a concept.
Bigots and Nazis need to feel “popular”, like they live in a world of their making. One of the biggest weapons against them is showing how unpopular they are. The day that they make an offhand crass comment, and the whole room turns against them.
Pride moments, raising trans positivity unwarranted, are meant to trap and push out those mentalities; keep reminding hateful bigots that “You are not welcome. Cut it out.”
Where it gets tricky is for the many people who are fine with it and don’t care, but just get gradually annoyed. I’m partly there, but I also understand that Trans people have put up with enough of the world’s shit that they’re allowed to vent back for a generation or so at all the baseless hate.
Priority in socialized healthcare is a tricky fight. Everyone wants their cause supported, when really all of them should be. The infighting is based around fear, and not entirely unwarranted, so I don’t have easy answers.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 0 pts · 22d
I think this is well said. You should be proud to be who you are, and sometimes bigots need a reality check, but it gets to a point where it is counter productive. I remember a few years ago when people were upset about the Proud Boys militia, and leftists made memes about gay dudes wearing banana hammocks being our "proud boys" because of gay pride. And, uh...no. First, it's just not funny, so it fails as a meme. Second, being gay does not make you the representative of leftist/progressive ideals, I'm sorry. And third, I don't particularly want to see a dude's dick imprint on my home page either, please stop.
Granted, I am in more leftist spaces than most people, but I see the trans flag more than any flag, even the US flag. Even during the world cup where every country was patriotic, I still saw more trans flag spam than anything else. And that is absolutely ridiculous to me, especially for a cause such as being trans, whose identity is generally "I want to be seen as the other gender and I'd prefer people don't make a big deal about it", not "my identity is being trans and I will never let you stop thinking about what's in my pants".
I hear you with healthcare but in most cases, "my cause or your cause" is the same cause, even if it doesn't specifically apply to you. If life saving medicine is free, we all win, period. Nobody is like "fuck people with type 1 diabetes, my tax dollars shouldn't go to them getting insulin which would be negligibly cheap in a socialized system" unless they're just vehemently anti-socialized medicine in general. Trans "healthcare" is, ultimately, not health related, it is cosmetic surgery or changing your body for cosmetic reasons. Mental health related? Arguable, and I do agree that it is personally. But VERY arguable, and not a lot of people support it. So leading the charge on socialized medicine by making it about trying to psy-op people into thinking "trans rights=human rights, and trans rights=access to expensive treatment paid by tax dollars" only hurts everyone by being an easy scapegoat. Not to mention the whole related psy-op of trying to convince people being trans, particularly "girldick" is hot in porn and whatnot, which is a whole other can of worms. Trying to trick people with thinly veiled propaganda is not the move if you're trying to start a serious movement. And it makes the trans movement, which is already polarizing and on shaky ground, come off to outsiders like a fetish, ESPECIALLY if you don't personally know a trans person and only see what's online. Which is a lot of people, since trans people are like 1% of the population, Trump is president so it is not popular to come out, and many trans people i didn't know were trans until years of knowing them, because once again, the idea is to be quietly accepted as the other gender. Which makes all the trans spam even more perplexing. Who is actually posting all of this? LARPers? Well meaning supporters? Russian trolls trying to flanderize the movement?
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 21d
In the same way someone getting their face reconstructed after a brutal car accident is "cosmetic." Both are ultimately about making people comfortable in their skin.
Trans care saves lives. It saved mine. I don't know what kind of monster can look at a 41% suicide attempt rate, look at the only care proven to massively reduce those rates, and then try to trivialize that care. Trans health care is one single most effective classes of medical care in modern medicine. Gender reassignment surgery has far better long term outcomes than knee replacements.
As for why there are so many trans people on Lemmy. Most of us left other spaces, often to get away from enlightened centrists who see our lives, healthcare, and civil rights as privileges to be granted if it's politically convenient.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 2 pts · 21d
It is not about people's lives being privileges, I resent you saying that. I thought I made it clear that I support trans people and do not tolerate bigotry. Everyone matters. Even if in a theoretical situation "just" 1% of the population is getting genocided, it is still genocide. I don't value you or anyone else less than anyone else. I simply disagree with your premise, which I believe to be a false dichotomy. The statistics do indeed say there is a higher percentage of suicide rates for trans people. And why is that? In my opinion from looking at the evidence, I do not believe it is primarily or even very much at all related to bottom surgery being expensive. A lot of trans people are not even interested in that at all. It is because trans people are under a spotlight and a microscope, often scapegoated, and it really wears on somebody to be hated all the time and not know where it is safe to be themselves. And why is there such a spotlight? Part of it will always be bigots and right wing politicians deflecting blame. But part of it is self inflicted.
And that's what I mean by the "taking over spaces" part of my comment. You are perfectly welcome in Lemmy as far as I concerned. You shouldn't have to "hide" that you're trans or avoid talking about issues that concern you. That's not what I'm trying to say.
Think about it like this: imagine the trans spam was literally anything else. Say like...it was about India. I have Indian friends and coworkers, Indian food is great, Hinduism is kinda foreign to me but I find the concept and ethos very interesting, traditional Indian clothing is pretty and cool. Positive opinions, neutral at worst. Now imagine if Indian people refused to shut up about India. Screenshot of a movie with a character wearing a white shirt, orange light from a sunset and green grass "OMG GUYS THE COLORS OF THE INDIAN FLAG, ARE THEY IMPLYING THAT THIS RANDOM CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY INDIAN?!" Every food or cooking sub is taken over by Indian food, people comment on non Indian food "why not just make Indian dish?" Any random brown person "yeah it's giving Indian vibes" Comment on a pretty girl's Instagram : "So cute! Glad to see a fellow Indian be loud and proud" "Actually I'm not Indian" "Not yet ;)"
I think you can imagine people would start to have more negative opinions on Indian people if this were the case, or at the very least find them immature. Except this actually makes a lot more sense because there are literally a billion of them, and there are nowhere near that amount of trans people.
This, combined with the false dichotomy makes the movement come off as immature teenagers to a lot of people. I have not found that to be the case from trans people i know in real life, but that is the perception.
Even if I were to believe the false dichotomy of "pay for trans surgeries with taxpayer money or trans people will die", that's not any more convincing than it was when my ex girlfriend threatened to kill herself if we broke up. Me having sex with her is not healthcare because of her potential actions. I think it is important to be precise with language. And to be clear, I would vote for covering trans stuff with universal healthcare if it got on the ballot, as long as there were legal protections from something like a mentally ill parent forcing transitioning on their child.
Lastly, you say "politically convenient" as if I'm running for office. As previously mentioned, people die every day because they can't afford healthcare, and it's only getting worse. I know someone who divorced his wife so she won't have to pay his medical bills after he got cancer. After burning through his life savings that he worked hard on and made sacrifices for, for THIRTY YEARS. Not only does he not get to enjoy any of the money he saved by working overtime, but he can't even die young in peace knowing that his wife will be supported. He now has to worry that debt collectors will sue her after his death if they suss out that their divorce was due to debt. That is dystopian, a nightmare. And that is not "my problem vs your problem". It can happen to you. And it is probably more likely to happen to you, as transitioning can be hard on your body. I'm not a fan of politics, I just recognize the reality. To some, people, being trans is an affront on god himself. It sure is stupid, but they will vote against their own self interest just to spite you. There is no universe where we will be able to jump to "trans people should get whatever they define as healthcare paid for by someone else." from absolutely nothing being covered. Not anymore than we should have campaigned Frederick Douglas for president of the United States before we, you know, got rid of slavery. Could he have been a good president in a vacuum? Yes, he was an intelligent and wise person. But you knowing that, and me knowing that doesn't mean it would have been a good idea. And NOTHING exists in a vacuum. Ever.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 21d
You fundamentally do not see trans people's healthcare as legitimate. You are not welcome here.
People come to Lemmy precisely to escape enlightened centrists like yourself. Stay on the mainstream sites where you won't have to see the icky trans people talking about their issues.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 21d
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 22d
Couldn’t agree more.
This is the thing that really bothers me. So many kids claiming to be “trans”, when they are very clearly going through common teenage rebellion/finding themselves. It does a disservice to those who really do have gender dysmorphia. The conservative “anti-trans” crowd can point to this and say “see, they’re all just being weird”.
And sure, there are kids who really are that way. My old ass thinks they should wait until they’re actually adults to go messing about with their hormones. That shit is permanent and they’re still developing. They can live as another gender in the meantime, no reason to stop that. But at least make the body modification decision as an adult.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 22d
My only real interest in this as a controversy, is bringing back single use bathrooms open to all would be nicer for all of us while leaving this outrage nowhere to go
Patchwork@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 22d
All I really care about is that there's a toilet that aligns with my plumbing when I need to pee
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 21d
Ill keep this train going. I don't care about sports, much less who is playing them.
grandel@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 22d
Upvote for username
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 21d
It's all a plot to steal my toilet paper! I'm onto you, trans dudes.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 72 pts · 23d
Star Trek vs Star Wars. I like both.
P1nkman@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 23d
Blasphemy!
Sincerely, someone who does not watch either.
probable_possum@leminal.space · 13 pts · 23d
Wait. They are two different things?
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 7 pts · 22d
Let me blow your mind: Stargate is a third.
rottenmummy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 21d
Stiens;Gate is fourth
AskewLord@piefed.social · 7 pts · 23d
yeah but how do you feel about their bastardization in the past decade?
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 23d
It's worth pointing out that this comment could have been and was made in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and today.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23d
so TNG and DS9 were awful and terrible or something?
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 23d
What, you weren't there for the incessant "Kirk is better than Picard" bickering that basically formed the backbone of the early Internet circa 1990?
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 23d
Let’s go all the way back to TMP with people indignant about how the Klingons looked. And somehow that got around before there was an internet to go crying to.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
"That is not discussed with outsiders."
AskewLord@piefed.social · 0 pts · 23d
No, what are you, like 70?
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 23d
You'll never wring it out of me, sonny boy.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23d
There were people at the time who certainly thought so.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 23d
true. there always are.
i think that's quite different from Disney and Paramount, on a production level, trying very hard to overproduce both franchises and try very hard to pander to everyone all at once. Which we know is a surefire way to crash them.
I guess at least we got Andor though. It's not all terrible, but it's mostly pretty bad because they really aren't like letting creative people do creative things with the franchises and tell compelling stories.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 23d
As with everything else, the franchises have both undergone a shift of quantity over quality, so I haven't bothered keeping up to date with either.
BurgerBaron@quokk.au · 2 pts · 23d
More like less quantity at a lower quality.
DS9 had 26 episode seasons.
polysexualstick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21d
Idk, I think Andor was one of the best things the Star Wars franchise has ever created while especially Episode II is borderline unwatchable to me.
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
The thing about that is, regardless of how we feel about the new stuff, we'll always have the old stuff we loved.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 22d
will we? i mean look at the OG trilogy.
that said, we are finally getting the theatrical version of Star Wars next year... after not having it for 30 years. completely nonsense that was. it will be nice to have the OG OG trilogy again w/o the stupid CGI crap.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 23d
This is the way.
CombatWombat@feddit.online · 70 pts · 23d
It's more that the internet demands that I'm constantly outraged, but I want to spend the majority of my time being chill and happy. I can get my dander up for most things the internet wants me to be mad about, I just... don't.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 10 pts · 23d
that makes them angry though.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 7 pts · 22d
Rage bait is the worst internet trend to date. Yeah yeah, I know trolling always existed, but it was actually funny sometimes, done to bait assholes or uppity people usually, and done for the love of the game. Rage bait is just doing something out if pocket or legitimately bad just to get eyeballs on you which now translates to free money for them because the world is a fucked up place that rewards people with no principles now. My wife just saw a TikTok video where some jackass stuck his hand down his pants and the rubbed his hand on his toddler's face. What the actual fuck are we doing, humanity?
canthangmightstain@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 22d
It got monetized. Read up on a Google published white paper “Attention is all you Need” from 2017 and you’ll understand how it all went to shit so quickly.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 1 pts · 22d
Yeah. Not too difficult to see how we got here. How to get OUT of this hellhole, however, that's the real question...
canthangmightstain@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 21d
IMO people will come around. Not quickly and not without a bunch of good things about the internet dying off… but eventually an equilibrium will be reached.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 1 pts · 21d
I hope so. On the up side, it largely killed my social media addiction. Now I am learning stuff for fun again.
bluGill@fedia.io · 4 pts · 23d
I stopped using Facebook because I got tired of all of that. "You won't believe what [other party] is doing"...
Mac@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 22d
I wonder if Palestinians just want to be chill and happy
CombatWombat@feddit.online · 3 pts · 22d
I would be much more persuaded by this argument if someone could draw a connection between my internal experience of anger and a Palestinian's internal experience of being chill and happy. Do donations made in anger count double or something?
canthangmightstain@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 22d
The Holocaust. Khmer Rouge. The Rape of Nanjing. Global Warming.
See? Words are easy.
It isn’t that people don’t care enough, it’s that they only have so much to go around and there is no cause so important that you get to dictate someone else’s state of mind 24/7 just because you say tragic words. Keep the fire burning but don’t think you get to sneer at others just because they’re burned out at the moment.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 65 pts · 22d
Firefox purity testing. Oh no they ran an ad or made a post on a mainstream platform or developed a widget. Look at the state of the world this is such a non issue and compared to the other browsers out there they are fighting the good fight unequivocally.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 22d
I'm glad someone said this. I don't have two fucks to give about Firefox's marketing department marketing their browser.
MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 22d
I had to lol at Firefox today, it wouldn't let me log into my modem because it was DANGEROUS. Awwww. Lucky I have Librefox as well, it lets me play with matches and drink puddle water.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 22d
librewolf but also any flavor of chrome should show the same warning for self signed certs, for the first time. check it in a private window of librewolf
ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 22d
Especially with the World Cup stuff that you can turn off with two clicks. Everyone and their dog watches football, this is the single most uncontroversial thing the nerd browser can add to appeal to new people
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 21d
Like ProtonVPN whos ceo once praised the appointement of some judge who had done good things before (anti big corpo something IIRC), but he was appointed by trump.
Yeah, not super duper smart there, but years and years and years of fantastic experience? Worthless I guess.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 22d
Yup.
Brave is a better product.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 22d
I haven't tried ff recently, but for a long time it was chromium based browsers or bust. Don't turn on the crypto ad crap and it works just fine.
I still have ff installed but it's almost exclusively used for "have you tried accessing our page on a different browser?" support.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
Yeah, the crypto stuff is opt-in, as is their AI-tool. I appreciate that they aren't mandatory.
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 21d
The fuck it is, have a downvote.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
I'll take it. Have a Happy Friday, friend.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 60 pts · 23d
Usually anything to do with celebrity drama. While it's not that common on Lemmy, the rest of the pop internet seems infatuated with what actor/musician threw shade or dissed some other, or which diva is being treated SO unfairly...
AskewLord@piefed.social · 4 pts · 23d
those are the same people who cause all the drama in their own lives.
they love the celebrity stuff because it validates their own misery and poor choices. they view themselves as the poorly treated diva.
velma@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 23d
A lot of celebrity gossip is rooted in the true crime aspect of it. Like the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives drama - one of the women was literally throwing metal barstools at her children while fighting with her partner. The outrage stems from people wanting her held accountable in some form. And the networks know that outrage will spur more views.
I don't see it any different than indulging in sports gossip or even Fediverse related gossip (Tesseract incident, anyone?). People like to indulge in some judgment and outrage at others. It can be unhealthy, but mostly I think it's a rather neutral, human thing to do.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 22d
Cultural appropriation.
So... You're offended. People are living out of their cars now. I'm more worried about that.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 21d
Also, the person being offended usually isn't even from the target culture. They're being vicariously offended on behalf of somebody else, when the actual members of that culture usually dgaf or like it.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 21d
Don't get me started on "Latinx."
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 51 pts · 22d
Taylor Swift. Like, I get that billionaires are a problem, and her carbon footprint is huge. On the list of problematic billionaires, I feel like she really doesn't do that much problematic shit compared to the others.
Musk is a Nazi that gutted the US govt, Ellison has a laundry list of major issues, bezos is killing small businesses and bought a news company to whitewash himself, gates was involved with Epstein and did some shady shit to grow Microsoft, the waltons single handedly massacred thousands (millions?) of small businesses with anticompetitive practices.
I really don't think that Swift rises remotely close to the same level of degeneracy and existential threat that these guys do, yet the only other billionaire I see getting criticised as much as her is Musk.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 23d
Sony discontinuing physical media.
I haven't bought a physical game for any platform in I don't even know how many years and I doubt I ever will again.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 37 pts · 23d
I think I wrote this in a few hundred comments already. It's a little weird people make it about physical games, it's not really about that, physical games are dead on PC, barely anyone cares. It's about Sony locking people into the Playstation Store and having full control over prices. With physical copies you can buy them wherever you want and they usually go down in price relatively quickly after release. Digital store prices remain high for years after release and only drop sometimes during sales, but even then they drop to the level of physical copies. The other issue are used games, at the moment that only works with physical copies.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 23d
I think it's more about access. There's a lot of countries that rely on physical media because the online store doesn't exist for them.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
That doesn't bother me. If a price is higher than I want to pay, I'll just not pay it and go play something else. There's so much more gaming out there than anybody could ever have time to get through in a hundred lifetimes.
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 23d
Same here. In fact I own almost no physical media anymore except for a few rare CD’s and vinyl. All my games are digital.
The argument that this damages the preowned game market is valid to a point. Though anymore any time I shop for preowned games they’re close enough in price to new games that I don’t see the point. And if that level of greed has infiltrated that market, maybe it deserves to die.
I know someone is going to yell at me about that but that’s kinda how I see it.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 4 pts · 23d
tbf i buy physical mostly because it's cheaper than digital. typically a big realse will get a 50% discount on the physical while it's only getting like 20% on digital stores.
esp for AAA and AA games. typically only for indie titles is the physical more expensive.
I do think that once they get rid of physical you will no longer being seeing massive discounts on digital games. or you might see stuff where new releases come out at triple digit prices.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 22d
How many music streaming services and digital downloads of mp3 and flacs remain playable on only certain hardware?
The music digital space is much more open than console games, which will only work on very specific hardware. And DRM free downloads. Music is one space that is surprisingly pro consumer when it comes to compatibility and control of purchases.
If consoles were as open as PCs, being able to install any OS and programs on it then physical shift would be less of an issue on consoles. Consoles are so locked down they can get away with paywalling multiplayer, and even jailbreak can't really bypass that.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23d
You don't care because you don't buy physical games. I don't care because I resolved not to give Sony a single red cent ever again some time in about 2005. We are not the same.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 3 pts · 23d
I agree with it in principle, particularly for the people who want that physical copy (my kids are big on nostalgic media) but yeah, I've been going pure digital for a long time.
DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22d
Same but it's also about game preservation which is threatened with this decision.
Zos_Kia@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 22d
I think my latest physical purchase was the orange box some 20 years ago. And that was only because I was abroad and it was stupid cheap.
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 23d
The moral failings of celebrities and creators who've been dead for decades.
Save your outrage for things that are happening now, that you still have a chance to change.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 23d
Being interested in celebrity gossip is not mutually exclusive to caring about politics or more meaningful things, but I understand why people don't care about celebrity gossip.
I see this a lot here and it's curious! Because would you say the same about other hobbies? That they're a waste of energy because that could be applied to changing things now?
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 23d
I'm specifically talking about dead celebrities. People like to point out that HP Lovecraft was racist, Gary Gygax was sexist and Clark Gable was fascist. All true and well-known, but it's much too late to change their minds about it. Whereas racism, sexism and fascism are going on outside our windows right now and can still be affected.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 23d
Ahh I did miss that you meant specifically dead celebrities. Fair enough! Thanks for clarifying!
mriormro@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 22d
I wouldn’t make the argument that politics is a hobby first.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 22d
I didn’t, I compared being interested in celebrity gossip to other hobbies.
mriormro@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 22d
Ah, my apologies, I misread your comment and somehow conflated the two.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 22d
No worries, it happens to the best of us.
early_riser@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 23d
I love Tolkien. I don't like what Amazon did with Rings of Power, but I just didn't watch it, simple as that. That's how the free market works. People make a sucky product. You don't buy the sucky product, they stop making the sucky product. And if they don't stop making the sucky product, you make your own hopefully less sucky product. I don't have the energy to complain about it online.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 12 pts · 22d
I'll do you one better.
I like Tolkien, and I like Rings of Power. No its not a perfect adaptation, but its fine. Its better than those god awful Hobbit movies.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 22d
I liked the Hobbit movies lol
OddDeer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 22d
The M4's Hobbit version has vastly improved my opinion of the Hobbit movie(s). I now include it in my yearly LOTR marathon.
Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 21d
I watched it, but honestly it's still far, far too much for just the Hobbit. 4 hours, I think? I'm pretty sure I could just read the book in that time.
early_riser@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 22d
The writers couldn't have made anything good out of what little they were licensed to use, IMO.
But the main complaint online, that Galadriel is abrasive and bossy, doesn't gel with me because that's literally part of her character growth. I'm too lazy to look up the exact passage in the Silmarillion, but the reason she joined the Noldor's exodus out of Aman was to set herself up as a ruler. By the time the Fellowship meets her in LOTR she's thousands of years wiser.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 22d
I strongly dislike when a single book is turned into multiple movies. You get 1-2 movies of nothing but set-up and trying to turn minor events into a climax, then one manic movie of nothing but climax
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 23d
My personal annoyance is with the hubris required to think you can write LOTR lore better than Tolkien. All the money in the history of the universe couldn't facilitate that. Amazon sucks.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22d
YES.
I wish more people could understand that you can just... not consume something. You not liking it doesn't make it bad and it doesn't make other people inferior for enjoying it.
Just scroll on.
glimse@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 22d
Pineapple on pizza. I don't even like it that much but holy shit, shut the fuck up about it. You must have zero personality if you think it bring it up
Triumph@fedia.io · 24 pts · 23d
Stop killing games. I'm not saying it's a bad or wrong stance, just that there are so many other way more important things taking up all my fucks that I'm all out of fucks for that one.
kubica@fedia.io · 25 pts · 23d
I think it would have been a good first start for other good things to happen. Not necessarily related to games but to digital content in general. It bothers me that something gathered so many signatures to adhere the "official" ways, and yet it was not listened anyway.
RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 23d
naivety to think we live in some kind of democracy
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 23d
Almost any single thing about movies or shows. I don't consume either and literally could not care less about any of it. Double whammy with superhero stuff.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 22d
What entertainment do you consume if you avoid all movies and shows? I don't watch much myself either, but I still do on occasion
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 22d
Maybe they just watch shows passively, like my grandmother does. She watches Murder She Wrote, Judge Judy, Jeopardy, but she doesn't really care about any of those shows and doesn't really absorb what she watches.
Or maybe they mainly read books or play video games or just don't consume entertainment at all
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22d
It's the second one, video games. I much prefer to play something than watch something, unless I am actively doing something where I cannot play a game, such as eating. But then it's Youtube over any sort of Hollywood thing.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22d
Video games. I would much rather control what I am viewing on screen. It's not even about actively engaging my mind, I just much prefer to play something than watch something. I do watch things while I eat, but that is solely YouTube and mostly from creators who seem like normal people rather than anything with a big budget.
Similarly, I absolutely will not sit there and watch a Twitch stream either. I much prefer to play my own thing.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 23d
It's rare for me to be outraged by anything. I'm capable of not liking things while not being emotionally captured by them.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 14 pts · 23d
That is a rational and emotionally stable world view. And I hate it. Where's the emotional outrage?! The uncontrollable urge to bash your head against the wall? The yelling at innocent strangers on the internet?! TELL ME!
catfeeder@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 23d
Name checks out
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 4 pts · 23d
Taleya@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 22d
"Shitlibs"
Weird fuckin' american paradigm. I've simultaneously been called a shitlib, a tankie, a communist and a capitalist. Piss.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 21d
Pizza tastes great. Pineapples taste great. The math solves itself.
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 22d
What a CEO or founder of a company does off the clock. Brave, Mozilla, Mullvad, Proton, GrapheneOS - I just don't care. If I picked a product off of the CEO not being a dick, I wouldnt have any products or services to use.
tacotroubles@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 23d
The trend is dying out but, I never understood the labubu hate. It seems like the people who hate them dont even hate the worst aspect of labubus; blind box gambling. I just couldnt seem to find the rational of visceral reaction to a doll.
amio@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 23d
Meh, yet another influencerslop fad advertising to children, with gambling in it? Can sort of see their point, personally.
luthis@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 23d
I had no idea what they were until someone explained it to me. They are fucking ugly as fuck.
I remember many toys had a mystery aspect to them, but i guess they were a bit cheaper too
tacotroubles@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
Yeah they're not my style either for sure, but taste is unfortunately entirely subjective. Lol
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 22d
I found out through South Park. I thought it was a knock off pokemon satire they made.
Not using tiktok and similar socials has me missing out on lot of stuff like that. And being less in the know about what influencers are pushing.
I was so amazed how something so big didn't reach me when it's not like I dont use the internet and was using social media like reddit.
Ziglin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
I never cared enough to inform myself about but I thought they were just overpriced. Good to know that it's worse than I thought.
FRYD@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 22d
Most things. The internet is a rage factory these past few years. I got enough real things to be upset about.
Sv443@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 21d
Sam Altman says "...", Tim Sweeney is against "..."
I scroll past a headline like that every single day.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 22d
Sony not making physical discs.
You people think Sony anything was worth buying in the first place?
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 22d
ik proprietary shitware and all that stuff but there are good games for playstation. fun to play, no pay to win bs like mobile phone games these days
mursejoy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 21d
Astrobot alone made the purchase worth it. We had more fun playing that game than anything exclusive on Xbox in the last 3 years. Truly a magnificent game. We own both, play both, and enjoy both.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22d
I have long agreed the fight for game preservation and access has been important, but I’ll admit I have a hard time with the stern argument that discs were key to that.
I may be biased towards my Steam usage.
treadful@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 22d
For me, physical media in general. Modern software is not static. It's too complex. Asking for a bug-free game is basically impossible, so you need a way to update it.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 23d
People want me to be outraged at Taylor Swift simply for being a billionaire and possibly having questionable people at her wedding. Is she morally perfect? No. I wish she didn't fly around on her private jet so much. But she is a much better person morally than most rich people. She is reportedly a really kind person to work for, cares about her employees, pays well, and donates a lot to charity. Could she do more? Sure, but we could all do more. Almost everyone could be giving away more of their money to help others. And the outrage over her having a big wedding that supposedly blocked off traffic and stuff. It was a holiday weekend, it can't have been that big of an inconvenience. How dare she rent out a space that anyone can rent out for a big party. She paid for the security too, contrary to claims that taxpayers paid for it.
Yeah, I'm not going to be mad at a generally kind and generous person simply for being rich. A large part of her billionaire status is her intellectual property. Should she not own the rights to the music she created?
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 22d
The music she created? I'd be shocked if she wrote even half of it.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 21d
Scoff all you want, but she wrote almost all of her songs. Which probably IS unusual these times, and I was surprised too when I looked it up. But she's actually still working, training to dance, singing, writing lyrics and music, touring, traveling, entertaining.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 23d
I can't bring myself to care about "iPad kids" the way the internet wants. Seems like another way to bash parents and blame the next generation for all the woes of society.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 34 pts · 23d
I used to not care about iPad kids until I had a long conversation with a school teacher friend who explained the drastic drop in reading, writing and comprehension in the latest batches of kids she teaches. Now I still do not care, but I understand the outrage behind it and why some treat it as child abuse/neglect.
disregardable@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 23d
It's because they are pandemic kids. Schools refused to adapt to the fact that the kids basically lost 2 years of education. Instead of giving the 5th graders 3rd grade materials, they just let the kids who lacked foundation fall further and further behind. It impacted every grade level, but the ones who were younger were the worst impacted. Research shows if you're behind on reading in 3rd grade, you'll probably be behind for the rest of your time in school.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 23d
Yep, a lot of school funding is tied to passing students on to the next grade. And teachers have been severely undermined here in the states. It all compounds into this huge problem we're facing now.
velma@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 23d
I understand the outrage behind it, but more often than not when the argument is going on the internet, it's simply people without children hating on parents.
I focus on my own child and their achievements in reading, writing, and comprehension and let the critics words fall on deaf ears personally. It's entirely possible and more common than you'd think to allow children access to screens and still have them receive a quality education.
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 23d
A friend of mine just lost his job as a professor because the iPad kids don't hand in assignments and he gets blamed when they fail their course.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 23d
Yep I totally get it. Covid didn’t help these kids either.
In the US, it’s a huge multi-faceted problem. We’ve successfully undermined our teachers at almost every step of the way. We guarantee zero parental leave and protections when parents have children. It’s very difficult to have a family without both parents working. There’s many reasons why kids are not performing at university levels when they get there.
I can’t get worked up about it the way the internet always seems to get its panties in a bunch about it. I make sure my child is ready for the next step in their education and ignore the discourse.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 8 pts · 23d
Bashing parents with iPad kids is against the terms of AppleCare.
rain_worl@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 22d
so, we all agree that the problem is the iPads, and not the kids?
velma@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 22d
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
That’s been my parenting mantra and it’s worked out pretty well so far.
BranBucket@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 21d
Climate change deniers.
Is climate change bad? Very bad, existentially bad. Do I want it to happen? No. Do I try to take steps to mitigate it? Yes, I put my drop in the bucket and vote for people who support policies that would help.
But we're eyeballs deep in Brandolini's Law at this point and by the time we get ourselves out of the quicksand, massive change will have taken its toll.
I'm not saying we shouldn't take action, but working ourselves in to a spittle-flecked outrage everytime someone says something stupid on social media is a waste of energy when we're already in damage control mode. The battle lines have been drawn for decades and the backlash effect is a very real phenomena.
Economics is going to win this fight before logic and debate does.
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 22d
"Problematic media." People who whinge over this are oversensitive children that treat fictional characters better than real people, think people can't separate fiction from reality, and actively enable censorship states like the UK.
"Gooner," "porn addiction," and adjacent complaints. "Gooners" seem much more well put together to me than the people who hate on them. I swear this is another effort from the global Conservative apparatus to increase repression as a bid to increase the popularity of their social policies. Also I swear some of you just see a woman who looks under 40 in media and call it gooner.
"Cultural appropriation." Not to say it doesn't exist, but it's been completely blown out of proportion, and probably does more to divide us than it does to protect anything. The modern discussion around it assumes everyone is an influencer doing things for money or power.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
Ironically, most of the gooner stuff showing up in my YT feed is from girl streamers.
“Oh, wow! The new outfit puts her in a microskirt with a thong! Actually, can I move the camera down…? I can!!! This is so pretty!! Don’t judge!!
AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
They can’t. I’m probably taking a tangent from what you intended but the last decade in the us has clearly demonstrated that people can’t distinguish fiction from reality. That people’s words with a global audience can be very harmful even when easily disproven.
We need to clearly distinguish “news” media from opinion media and hold news to reality. Opinion shows on Fox “News” are a great example of problematic media that needs to be addressed, as is a billionaire owner overriding the news desk of a formerly reputable news service
TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 21d
anything having to do with celebrities
noxypaws@pawb.social · 6 pts · 23d
Ferrari Luce.
Sure it looks goofy but nobody whose opinion matters can afford it anyways. I similarly cannot afford it but I think it's probably fine.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 21d
Being upset that female characters in video games don’t have huge boobs and asses and the intelligence of a watermelon.
schwim@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 23d
All of it.
blarth@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 21d
AI being bad.
custom_username@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 23d
Cybertrucks. I saw a thread here recently and people were way to passionate about it imo. I'm not going to spend my energy worrying about the mere existence of an ugly car.
qupada@fedia.io · 17 pts · 23d
Two minds on this one.
You wanna buy an overpriced, terrible vehicle that's the brainchild of the mastermind who was too weird even for Jeffrey Epstein. Knock yourself out buddy.
That I have to share the road with these chucklefucks, having seen how feverish they are to let the clankers take over driving said giant piece of shit vehicle? I would be lying if I said I didn't have concerns.
The indifference ends at the point where I'm unable to opt out of participation in their bullshit.
rain_worl@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 22d
just to clarify,, what is your definition of "clanker"??
i'm a robot, but surely not a "next-token predictor"
Trev625@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 21d
You're a robot?
rain_worl@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 20d
yup! otherkin, i guess
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21d
Insert latest corporate shareholder or position event here:
I have found almost none of the backlash or headlines that people on the internet, especially Lemmy, want you to be pissed off about, annoying to me enough to actually Care about.
psud@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 22d
AI in code. It does fine, it needs skilled people to vet its code. It really just makes programmers more efficient
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 22d
However when non skilled people get their hands on it
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 22d
That's true. If you don't work with unskilled people though, or you know a developer IS skilled, it is just another tool.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
The quandary of whether a taco is a sandwich. That's the kind of thing some college student asked when they were high af.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
I think a better question would be the inverse of this.
Mikina@programming.dev · 2 pts · 23d
Yes.
zxqwas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
Everything you can think of probably. I would prefer a lot of things to be different but I'm happier when I'm just minding my own business and the world won't get any better from me being outraged.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 23d
The Scrumbles. I don't care about it, it doesn't affect me, everyone who was affected deserved it, leave me alone about it.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 23d
Gen AI, half the internet seems to think it's literally satan.
Yes a lot of the "art" it produces is shit, but the internet was already full of shitty Alegria "art".
psud@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 22d
And there's the votes telling you you're wrong to not hate AI
Come on man, the internet is telling you to hate AI!
/s
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 22d
Shitty art is so far down the list of reasons that people have to not like AI. You either don't understand the argument against it, or you're intentionally downplaying it.
rain_worl@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
lots of other problems
i should know <- some kind of robot therian
chunes@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 23d
Apparently I'm supposed to hate standup comedians when they do anything the internet doesn't like. Because comedians are supposed to be embodiments of moral virtue? I still like Louis CK and Bill Burr.
Ashenlux@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 23d
I mean, Louis CK was whipping his dick out and sexually harassing women. That's a crime, not just "something the Internet doesn't like".
chunes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
velma@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 23d
Bit of a significant difference between these two to be fair.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 8 pts · 23d
I like Burr's comedy but can't defend him doing a comedy show in Saudi Arabia. Louis CK is wildly more problematic. Great that he acknowledged what he was doing wrong after the fact but he always struck me as an intelligent enough comedian to know what he was doing was problematic, to say the least.
socsa@piefed.social · -1 pts · 23d
As the resident of an actual city, with train tracks and shit. I don't think datacenter noise pollution is a big deal. They are bad for many other reasons, but the noise complaints are a losing battle.
Ok_imagination@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
Haha I didn't know noise pollution was something people were against for the datacenters... I'm with you on that.
greenhorn@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 23d
A constant 24/7 60 decibel whine would be infuriating. https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/data-center-noise-pollution-dowagiac-michigan-blasts-homes And noise pollution has health impacts, "Due to an increasing number of mechanistic and epidemiological cohort studies, the past twenty years have seen a shift from skepticism that noise could affect non-auditory health, to increasing evidence for effects on cardiometabolic disease, annoyance, sleep disturbance, mental health, dementia, and children's learning. Evidence for mechanisms via cortical activation and stress hormones leading to increased vascular and cerebral inflammation and oxidative stress has increased." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935126009795
Ok_imagination@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23d
Huh TIL, I'll check those out. Thanks for the sources!
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 23d
Student cheating. If they can get away with it and somehow translate that into getting a job, good for them, if companies use degrees as a lazy way of filtering applications they deserve to get ripped off. Taking grades seriously like their integrity has moral weight is for people who have been severely manipulated.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 11 pts · 22d
I can't agree. Cheating is inherently a lack of honor and cutting corners. I don't want a doctor that I can't trust and who takes the easiest possible route in my treatment. That's already bad enough as it is, just saying "it'll get better probably, let me know if not. That'll be 5000 dollars". Plus you have to actually know stuff to grt certain jobs. School is not a useless ritualistic song and dance.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 23d
Eh I have mixed feelings, in some fields yes I 100% agree I’d say MOST fields I fully agree but there are fields where this would get people hurt or killed, medicine, architecture, civil engineering etc. where I do think cheating can have very serious consequences.
Ziglin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 22d
I do also think that exams are often a pretty bad way of checking how well a concept is understood and grades often show how well certain things are memorized instead.
I should probably do some more research before I say anything more about this though as that impression is mostly anecdotal.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 22d
That is how exams usually are though for classes like physics, chemistry, and physics where memorization won't save you with it being solving problems to arrive to the correct solution.
Something like anatomy is pure memorization so being memorization is no issue, since it is just learning names of musicles, nerves, and bones. And when it comes to classes like physiology it builds on knowing what you knew from anatomy, but being tested on how well you can actually explain the mechanisms of what is going on within the body.
I guess it depends on the subject if an exam is just memorization based or not and leaves students knowing nothing.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 22d
I had one class in University during my programming degree I didn't understand at all. It was as if I was missing 3 classes of buildup, super advanced maths. No matter how much I asked for help or studied, I just didn't get it. I was actually really distressed by it.
In desperation, I just memorised every question and answer in the book. Every day, hours of rote memorisation. The exam is worth 60%… and I ended up with a distinction grade. I think that's equivalent to an A- or 3.7 GPA in North American.
I still have zero understanding of that class, and I've never needed to use it either. It feels like they just threw it in there as
torturefiller. I think that's a perfect example of what you mean.chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 23d
I guess that's fair, but most of the complaining about this I see online is for stuff like people not writing their own essays. I also think the more pressing issue that's getting people killed in those cases are artificial barriers to access, like if the barriers to practicing medicine were drastically reduced then at least people would be able to get treatment to begin with, and it's not like having gotten good grades by successfully cramming for exams guarantees professional competence.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 22d
But as a society we should have formal qualifications to make it easy to verify knowledge and streamline basic competency. The idea behind a degree is good the implantation of dogshit degrees being handed out to everyone is the issue.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 22d
It's a broader topic, but I disagree, the strategy of outsourcing trust to centralized institutions this way is fundamentally a bad one, and naturally becomes more dysfunctional the more it is used. People need to exercise more of their own judgment, and rely more on the judgment of people they know personally. It's just too much weight for one structure to bear.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 22d
Outsourcing trust is a core part of society. We should be able to rely on parts of society. Otherwise we have everyone trying to do their own thing and its ineffective and a waste of time and effort.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 22d
Of course some form of coordination is useful, but no single metric can handle that much pressure. It should be obvious by now that our society is relying too heavily on these credentials, and that they have become less useful to everyone because of that.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 22d
Fair enough. I see your point and do not disagree as much as I originally did.
psud@aussie.zone · -5 pts · 22d
Tesla. The CEO is the worst, the cars are fine
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 22d
No, they aren't.
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 22d
Imagine if Elon wasn't in charge, imagine what Tesla could have been...
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 6 pts · 22d
I think giving money to a Nazi is wrong no matter how fine the car is.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 22d
Teslas are notorious for having terrible construction. Cybertrucks rust immediately out of the factory and body panels just fall off, for one example.
What are you talking about?
psud@aussie.zone · -1 pts · 21d
That's old information. The last 5 years the cars have been fine.
Cybertruck isn't in my country, I don't have opinions on it. American pick up trucks are generally bad though
Also internet: are you telling me things my eyes tell me are untrue?
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 21d
It isn't old information, they still regularly have issues
"They're fine except the vehicle that I'm choosing to ignore" is a hell of a sentiment when the one you're ignoring literally lights itself on fire and gets stuck doing anything that a shitty US made truck can do offroad.
I don't even know what you're trying to say with the last sentence, it makes no sense.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 22d
Fine is about all the praise I could give them.
Now they were one of the first electric cars you could buy that was travel viable, and they aren't worth anything to sell. So I can understand why people keep them. I wouldn't buy a new one though.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
As a reminder to anyone downvoting, the original Tesla cars were invented by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, genuine engineers and good guys. It’s taken a long time for South African Nazis to poison it, but the Cybertruck is very much the apex of it.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 22d
Cope
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 23d
Won't say.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 23d
Why’d you comment? Wanted to take up space?
crank0271@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 23d
It's enraging, isn't it?
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 23d
Eh, I don’t care that much.
Bismyth@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 23d
You should post about it on https://sh.itjust.works/post/64229672
AskewLord@piefed.social · -10 pts · 23d
pretty much everything.
outrage is just stupid and pointless. all it really is jerking your own ego off and it's a form of getting high on your own supply.
i think my favorite part is like, caring about an issue, but because you won't fly off the handle into a violent verbal outburst about it, you're clearly a nazi/facist/whatever. especially if you like would like to discuss it in an informed or nuanced way that might elucidate it or provide a sustainable path for progress... no we can't have that.
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 23d
Outrage is why things change. It's why women can vote. It's why slavery in the US ended. It's why being gay is no longer a crime.
AskewLord@piefed.social · -9 pts · 23d
oh, that's weird. i thought it those things change because people vote for laws that change those things.
i didn't know sitting around being very angry changes the world. i thought changing the world required going out into the world and doing things, and you don't have to be angry to do that, but you do... have to do it.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 23d
People didn't vote to end slavery. There were whole wars about it.
Also women didn't earn the right to vote through voting.
Source
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 6 pts · 23d
Power will never be freely given. Anger creates movements, movements create action, and action causes change. I'm not saying voting isn't part of the equation but not in the way you think it does.
AskewLord@piefed.social · -5 pts · 23d
yeah, that's why MAGA is so popular.
creates a bunch of very angry stupid people who think the world should be changed to benefit themselves at the cost of everyone else, who end up voting for folks who fuck them over.
weird how that works.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 6 pts · 23d
That's not the example I was thinking of but honestly yeah. Trump took power on the strength of that anger, bullshit though it may be. Not every change is a good one, but it demonstrates the effectiveness and now he will sit back and claim any anger against his regime is wrong. It's a classic technique.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 23d
That's how you view women's suffrage and ending slavery?
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 23d
Sure, black slaves were given equal rights because they politely asked and then white people simply voted for it!
John Brown was first and foremost outraged by the lot of his fellow humans. That anger pushed him to act. Same goes with the British revolution, the American revolution, the French revolution and the Russian revolution. Outrage, anger then action.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 23d
I don’t actually understand what point you’re trying to articulate. Would you give it another go?
AskewLord@piefed.social · -9 pts · 23d
anger is an addictive drug. it's a fact.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 23d
So are love and anxiety in ways.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 22d
Why use commas when you're not going to properly capitalize?
Tiral@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 22d
As an American I'm told repeatedly "You'll be sorry" by Canadians that don't like the US. I couldn't give any less of a shit about Canada or their opinions.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 22d
Oh, it's not just Canada
The civilised world sneers at 'Murica for good reason
khannie@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 22d
Mmmm. The smell of fresh exceptionalism. Delicious.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 22d
It’s more that the US is going to have to lay in the bed they’ve made, which is not likely to be a comfortable one. But Americans are impressively apathetic and good at blaming others for their own self-made misfortunes, so truly you’re right and your country will never really be sorry. Your government will just point a finger at someone else and insist that they need to be bombed to make life better.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · -14 pts · 22d
Chat Control. It's not evil EU trying to read everyone's messages. It's EU working with various groups to solve an issue, like they do all the time.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 22d
Yes, various groups trying to solve a problem that barely exists by creating problems orders of magnitude worse but gives them more power. But surely there are no nefarious motivations there.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 1 pts · 22d
Online grooming barely exists? I've seen reports that it's quite common in Roblox for example but I don't have kids so I don't know.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 22d
I am not saying online grooming is not a problem, but as you said, it happens on public spaces like Roblox, where predators can find children. Chat Control is unnecessary to monitor those. Random youtubers have been able to do that. No need to build a massive spy apparatus. Instead, of adressing this, Chat Control tries to pry open secure communications like Signal used by journalists, protesters, etc. Applications where grooming is not much of an issue as you only communicate with your existing contacts.
Chat Control ignores the rampant grooming in plain sight while trying to spy on communications where it is rare. So tell me, am I paranoid to think they have different motivation to breach those and are only using "protecting kids" as an excuse?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 0 pts · 22d
I don't think you're paranoid, more uninformed.
Chat Control proposed two things:
Some, let's call them, 'anti-grooming', common sense rules by default. They propose identifying high risk services in which you can for example search users by age and send them private messages. Those services would be required to do things like age verification to separate children from adults. If services don't want to do age verification they have to implement measures like not letting users send private messages to everyone, not being able to search by age, limiting what info is visible to other users (pictures? names? locations? interests?), limiting public spaces (do you need common, public chats in Roblox or can it be limited to chats with friends only?) and so on. I think this is way better than hoping youtube vigilantes will look for pedos for views.
The other thing they are trying to solve is using e2ee messaging apps to distribute CSAM. Here they don't want to touch encryption in any way and the proposal is to let providers voluntarily scan media client side. This was proposed as mandatory at first but was changed later. This is the part people don't like as it indirectly forces providers to scan media client side. Nobody likes it but no one proposed any other solution to limit distribution of CSAM.
So what you're describing is not very accurate. No one is proposing large scale monitoring using some massive spy apparatus. They do actually propose common sense solutions implemented by individual services (how you search users, who can you contact, etc). No one is also proposing breaking e2ee and monitoring messages, the most controversial part is about client side scanning of media. And the original proposal was different but after talking with many privacy groups it was changed. Now it's very close to what privacy advocates are proposing with the only problematic part being the client side scanning. Privacy advocates simply propose to ignore the issue of distributing CSAM and EU still wants to address it.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 22d
If you think client side scanning is not a massive spy apparatus, you don't understand the technology. There is no such thing as purely on device CSAM detection. See Discord banning people for minecraft inventory pictures if you need an example how broken the automated part of the technology is. It's just sending messagis to law enforcement to read with extra steps.
As for the first part, Chat Control is not mandating age verification. It's identity verification. If a beraucrat decides lemmy.world is a risk, you will have to provide an ID to post here regardless of your age and the instance admin will have to use their limited abilities to store and protect them. Good luck with that shit. That is a spy apparatus. And it is unnecessary. The conversations are public. Instead of just letting the predators find a different place, create a better reporting system. Or hell, at least make it an actual age verification using Zero Knowledge proofs. But they don't want to do that, they want our identities.
Same thing with CSAM, you don't get born knowing the phone number of your local CSAM distributor. Law enforcement can monitor for people advertising. They can pose as interested people or distributors. There is no reason to break encryption over this. Nor is it even possible while open source exists.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 0 pts · 22d
I think scanning of media is not a massive spy apparatus. Breaking e2ee and scanning of all communications would be. If they want to monitor journalists and protesters by only scanning media they are doing shit job at building their spy apparatus.
No they are not, most of social media (if not all) has some direct message mechanism.
Most kids don't report those things. This is part of the problem and Chat Control does address that by mandating better reporting systems.
It does:
""" 3.Providers of interpersonal communications services that have identified, pursuant to the risk assessment conducted or updated in accordance with Article 3, a risk of use of their services for the purpose of the solicitation of children, shall take the necessary age verification and age assessment measures to reliably identify child users on their services, enabling them to take the mitigation measures. """
Chat Control only talks about identifying child users. I don't see anything there that mandates storing of IDs. Can you point me to the relevant part of the legislation?
And I'm sure law enforcement already does that. As I said, privacy advocates think that's enough and this problem should not be addressed by EU. EU think it should. Chat Control was not approved yet, there are discussions to find the right solution.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22d
You are reading the text and not thinking what it looks like in reality.
What happens when the scan identifies an image as CSAM? If the answer is notify authorities with unencrypted chat, then it is a spy apparatus. The false positives are high enough that they will get to read countless innocent conversations and there are ways to intentionally induce false positives if you want specific conversations. And if it does not report, then what does it do?
Those are rarely available to strangers by default and I have no issue in banning direct DMs to strangers.
So there is one decent thing in this law, let's pass all the privacy invasive stuff as well. /s I have no issue with better reporting, but the chat monitoring needs to go.
Sure, so how is a company supposed to implement it? Only to government issuing IDs can realistically provide Zero Knowledge proofs. If they don't support this option, companies can't really use it. And companies generally need to keep records that prove they are complying with the law, which is again impossible while preserving privacy unless the government helps.
Just google how underfunded to agencies responding to existing reports are. They are not doing anywhere near what they could.
The reason it did not pass so far is because of privacy advocates spreading awareness of how fucking broken the law is and creating push back. The time to consult experts and improve the law was in the EU commission, before putting it to vote in the Parliament. Clearly they did not care to protect privacy until people pushed back. The commission and other supporters are still looking for ways to pass it without addressing the privacy issue. See recent emergency measure passed using vacations to bypass a proper vote.
I am sure there are people that support the bill with good intentions but I have lost any fate in the EU to care for the privacy of its citizens.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 22d
Nah, it's clueless actionism.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 0 pts · 22d
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MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 23d
Israel-Palestine war.
So many wars and other genocides going on in the world yet the internet decides this is the one I should be mad about. Hypocrisy.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 22d
What other genocides are currently happening?
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 21d
Rohingya in Myanmar, Uyghurs in China. Then there's the genocides in South-Sudan, Ethiopia and Ukraine
jimmy90@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 21d
i/p is not a psyop but the whirlwind that whipped it into international politics most certainly is as well as the barely masked anti-jew subliminal messaging
and look at your downvotes; it worked
it will fade and disappear at some point at least until the next mass casualty terrorist attack
AskewLord@piefed.social · -12 pts · 23d
the people who the most angry about this are the ones who are the most ignorant about it.
but those are the same people who think every American is a Trump supporter stereotype.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 21d
true, i've tried to talk through the history of i/p many times here. they refuse or resort to the approved arab version that starts at naqba