As far as I'm concerned, this is the entire benefit of lemmy/piefed/etc... They can have their space, and any other instance can choose not to federate with them so we aren't forced to listen to them, unlike the alternative, where an algorithm forces them into everyone's face.
Rather than telling them they don't have the right to speak, we simply have the ability to shut our window and not listen to them.
Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they're congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.
In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but in Lemmy we're the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.
Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured news@lemmy.world and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.
You raise good points, but for me the issue is, the Nazis then still have their own bar. And that creates a hub for them to advertise, spread, and sow hatred. And eventually, to try to buy the owners of the media platform. This is the literal "embrace, extend, extinguish" playbook they're using. Is that not a problem too? How could we combat it best?
I think it's better if we shut down their bar and bar them from even coming to any bar.
They want to go to a bar? Either don't be a fascist or shut up.
They would have one either way - I mean, just look at Twitter, Reddit, FOX News. Even when there weren't such NAZI spaces bought and paid for by billionaires, NAZIs had their own websites, mailing lists and whatever.
Weakenning the freedom inherent to the Fediverse's implementation just because the NAZIs might use it to create their own space is just indirectly constraining yourself because of the NAZIs, which IMHO is the opposite of what we should be doing.
Would you defend changing HTTP(S) and HTML to somehow stop NAZIs using it because as they are now they can be used by NAZIs to spread their message? How about e-mail? How about pen and paper?
You can't just throw the baby with the bathwater "because NAZIs".
If you really want to stop NAZI messaging altogether you can't do it by Technical means, you have to do it by Social and Political means - Laws Censoring NAZI messaging - and even there, look at Germany that does it and all they seem to have achieved is that the NAZI symbology is hidden whilst a large part of the NAZI way of things is widespread in society (hence the AfD success) and some elements of it are even shared by the majority (hence Germany's very overtly race-justified unconditional support of a nation commiting a Genocide). De facto Germany's banning of NAZIsm hasn't stopped the kind of Fascism like in the US right now or the AfD there, were they use the NAZI propaganda techniques and share many ideological elements with the NAZIs but just don't use NAZI symbols.
Barring them from everywhere would be ideal, but if not that, barring them from as many places as possible would be good too. Billionnaires have too much power and they are the powderkeg, in my view, that enabled fascism. So imho, we need to reduce their numbers and wealth, redistributing it to everyone.
I defend barring fascists everywhere, and not compromising the resilence of the fediverse to censorship from fascists.
And as for social and political means... in Germany, the AfD has had fewer votes as a % of turnout, than what the Republicans got in the US. I think the real cure is to combat algorithms by the root, and to seize the power over them back to the left and anyone non-fascist (or not as insane).
I also look at it Logically and that yields a more subtle take.
My point is that thinking that ANYTHING is acceptable to contain the NAZIs (even when it hurts the rest) is forgetting that the whole point of stopping the NAZIs is to protected everybody else and their freedoms.
I'll give you a parallel example: start by "Everybody should be thrown in Jail to make sure all criminals are in Jail". Whilst it would work, this is obviously senseless. Once that's accepted the discussion becomes "how far should we go to make sure criminals go to Jail" and onwards to "how many innocents wrongly in Jail is acceptable" and "how many criminals who evade Jail is acceptable".
All that is what lead to things like a Justice System with Presumption of Innocence, different sentences for different Crimes and an Appeals System.
When it comes to stopping NAZIs the same reasoning applies - "ANYTHING is acceptable" is obviously senseless (killing all human beings would certainly stop the NAZIs, but I expect we both agree that it's a bit too much) so the discussion is then moved to "how far are we willing to sacrifice the rest in order to stop the NAZIs", which is the area of thinking anchoring my original point - if the NAZIs are contained (by their own choice, even), then maybe it's not worth it to sacrifice the freedom of the rest by mangling the Fediverse if all that would deliver as a result is the near-zero impact outcome of barring the NAZIs from their own separate space in the Fediverse whilst they can still gather elsewhere.
In my view by wanting that you asked originally, a far greater number of people than the number of NAZIs would sacrifice a lot for something that will make the NAZIs lose very little - or in other words your idea amounts to "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".
I don't think that "lets' fuck up what's important for almost everybody in order to barelly inconvenience the NAZIs" is a wise position, even if I understand the impulse to "just fuck those sons of a bitch no matter what".
I mean "welcome" in the most generic, passive aggressive Canadian sense of the word. Shutting the door is exactly what the strength of federated/defederated social media is all about.
You have a very poor understanding of how the fediverse works if you think that's true.
You can always section yourself off from the instances you don't like. If it just so happens that you're sectioning yourself off from most of the fediverse, then that's on you.
I've always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?
Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I've been alive.
They don't care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it's a lie while they smile and say they're being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.
Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.
They lie because they believe they'll be part of the "in-group", while in reality, they are going to be censored the moment their higher-up has the ability to turn on them without retribution.
Same reason why tankies don't just move to China, or why some Canadians had Trump bumperstickers: the point is to take over and wield authority as a weapon. Of course they try to invade and pollute every space they can and muddy waters wherever possible.
When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as "they get off on ruining your day cuz they're miserable pieces of shit." Speaking from experience.
That video is like a weirdly nostalgic confessional of my time in D.C. I was a huge piece of shit. Systematic theology book. Capitol Hill job. Little bitty bow ties. Speakeasies. Pork stuffed potatoes at Dixie Bones. People can change.
Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say "it's not doing anything" and also take your sister-in-law's portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you're on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to...)
Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.
Ok so I've got to make like the CIA and put lsd in fhe water supply? Got it. /s obviously
Funny though as me and a friend found religion through acid, though we stayed progressive. I do really wish more people would go trip in pursuit of better understanding of shared humanity
That's true of everyone, though.
Leftists find leftists grating, rigid with their insufferable call-out tactics, fixation on niche issues, clashing priorities, infighting, ease of provocation at obvious bait.
We love to troll ourselves & just have a stronger capacity than the right to endure the left.
They go everywhere because even if a bunch of people are like āfuck off nazisā there will be a few people that are like āoh hey you have some good ideasā.
Thatās why theyāve been recruiting online since the beginning of the internet. Capture whoever you can thatās sympathetic and keep bolstering numbers by any means necessary. Worked out pretty well for them
They need an audience to perform for. When ever you see a social media "safe space" for conservatives (Voat, Truth Social, etc.) they almost always wither and die. They need people to blame for being everything wrong with the world as well as react to their terrible takes, otherwise there's no point in shouting their outrage and anger on the internet.
thats why they also favor discord too, have thier own echo chamber, and allow adminstrative controls like with facebook, and not having something like reddit ban system hovering over thier shoulders, plus propaganda mods that keep them from speaking out of line(like with r/conservatives)
If the thousand instance users are controlled by three people, it's not that hard.
We might not be there yet though. Elections are far enough out.
I expect 95% of Lemmy to be propaganda and manipulation when we get closer. There's only so much that can be done to keep out nation states when all the users are anonymous.
And when you put your real name on things, you get cancelled.
It's a bad time for the Internet, and I don't have easy answers. Just be very aware that what seems to be "consensus" opinion might actually be twenty accounts controlled by the same guy or organization. They might even argue with each other, and just have the side they want to lose present weak arguments.
FOSS is for everyone. Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn't uniquely a leftist ideal, and it should be obvious by now that the political affiliation and community guidelines of big tech companies are entirely dependent on the current political landscape, not any moral values or held ideals, and can change at any moment.
Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn't uniquely a leftist ideal
Are you sure? most people working on projects against big tech tend to be very left leaning. The conservatives love using the appeal of authority to silence minorities and voices they don't like.
Right wing creeping up to take control of these spaces doesn't make it their ideal.
I could be wrong. Can you name some popular projects against big tech by conservatives?
Can you name some popular projects against big tech by conservatives?
The entire alt-tech sphere, I guess, but other than that I can't really think of many projects that explicitly say they lean right or left. As far as I can tell, most projects focus on working on whatever they're trying to accomplish and don't mention their political opinions for whatever reason, maybe because they don't want to alienate their users and contributors or maybe because they are made by many people, each with their own opinions, and there isn't a single shared belief system behind it, like ThePirateBay for example. We can try to infer what political stance someone holds, like the CEO of Brave, for example, who donated some money to an anti-gay marriage bill in 2008, or the CEO of Proton, who said some positive things about the Republican party recently, but I don't think it's fair to assign a political affiliation to the entire project because some of the team members expressed their opinions.Ā
Are you sure? most people working on projects against big tech tend to be very left leaning.
I think that you make a mistake and assume that just because someone agrees with you on not wanting to be reliant on big tech, they also agree with you on everything else, or you read something likeĀ
We want to advance human rights and freedoms by creating and deploying free and open source anonymity and privacy technologies, supporting their unrestricted availability and use, and furthering their scientific and popular understanding
and falsely assign that to be a left-wing stance, when in reality most people, left or right, would support that. I haven't seen any evidence that most people working on anti big tech projects are left-leaning. Most people don't publicly share their political beliefs.
When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.
Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn't apply to American "conservatives" who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.
The "marketplace of ideas" phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.
Don't lie to urself we both know that both parties are just as corrupt and bought out by corporate interests. The lefts beliefs are just as performative. Empathy for all people unless they say words we don't like. Gun violence is bad and we should ban all guns but its OK to shoot some people for their opinions.
If the communists are to be tolerated so must the Nazis. Communism is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis their is no argument for one that does not also lend value to the other. I'm of the persuasion that both those ideologies are evil and wrong but those ideas must be combatted by rational discussion and the only way to do that is allow all to speek.
I'm neither a conservative or a democrat. I'm in fact not even a fucking American twat. But I have beliefs that strongly align with both sides and beliefs that strongly oppose both sides. Only in the struggle between ideas can actual change happen. Only through challenging the mind can greater ideas be formed. Fuck the political parties its not a football game where we choose sides and cheer for the downfall of our opponents it as a philosophical dance of ideas where the best shall eclipse all teams.
The marketplace of ideas is an idea it is a concept it is not consecrate it is not progressive it is its own thing and it requires all sides take part. Lemmy is a hard left echo chamber I would like to see lemmy represent the average person to grant all people a voice in the great marketplace of ideas. And to do this we need the rightwingers.
I never said anything about US democrats (who are centre-right) or leftists. And where did I say you are American or even that you are a conservative or Democrat. Why are you bringing this up?
I said something very specific, that US conservatives are beholden to oligarchs and even their alleged deeply held beliefs do not pass the basic smell test if you've lived in different countries / speak different languages and so on (this is true irrespective of you political views). It's like claiming the United Russia party has deeply held beliefs. This is a ridiculous proposition.
Making claims that "US conservatives support the marketplace ideas" is exactly the kind of thing that brings up massive red flags. Conservative/Progressive refers to broad political alignment. You can have people in both camps who support the marketplace of ideas and those that don't. You can also have people who like to make statements about supporting the marketplace of ideas for superficial reasons.
Ohh that's cos the left killed the guy who wanted free speech. Now they playing by your rules. You did this to yourself. The irony is palpable.
U wanted a culture war, u wanted to silence free speech. You are now subject to the paradox of tolerance. You could not tolerate descenting opinions so your opinions cannot he tolerated. Ohh the irony.
I think itās worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there's no evidence "the left" killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?
We both know he was datings someone trans. He had hundreds of hours in a game called "furry shades of gay". Does either of those things sound like right wing to you?
Before Trump, the "traditional" social media was likely pushing the Democrats' agenda (like the Twitter files under the guise of more moderation. Now the tactic is being used by the Trump administration just more in the open and in more traditional media (Jimmy Kimmel). Big media is such an easy target for govt influence when it's all ad supported.
I'd bet they see the writing on the wall that the government has too much influence in social media. So this time they don't want to be caught with their pants down when Democrats come back into power. The other thing I feel is on the horizon is the end of the ad supported internet. I've said it before, be prepared to do it yourself or pay for it. I guarantee the guys behind this instance is in the do it yourself camp.
Disclaimer: I am libertarian and view both DNC and GOP as different sides of the same authoritarian coin. Right wing flavored, left wing flavored, both are disgusting when it's authoritarianism.
Nobody is saying that they can't, mostly what you'll get is calls for defederation.
Calling for defederation is a matter of simply not accepting content or voting from the targeted instance. Everyone has the right to spin up an instance for whatever they believe, but everyone else also has the right to not pass your content through their servers or display it to their users
This isn't to call to shut them down, this is to raise awareness so people can update block lists, instance admins to investigate/check with their users/mods on what they want to do
Yeah, isn't truth social part of activitypub, just defederated.. like Mastodon instances probably have blocks up if truth social doesn't have it on their end
They're totally allowed to, just as we're totally allowed to defederate or block or whatever. The question is why are they here, when they have taken over all the mainstream places and don't really need a federated niche community.
Because I donāt want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.
Is your argument here that your preferred way to deal with cockroaches is to let them have the run of your house? Hard to red anything rose out of that, given the context.
I need you to work on your reading comprehension and try again. Not going to spoon-feed you what I'm saying if you're here asking me to spell shit out for you friend. Also this is not endorsement of said implications either.
Youāre not making much sense to me. I ask this sincerely and without prejudice or malice. Are you feeling alright? Do you believe that having someone to talk to might help?
Im trying to tell you that fascism/MAGA is similar to an insect infestation. Would you like me to puree some food for you next and do the airplane thing with the spoon?
Itās perfectly fine to be frustrated, but please avoid demeaning others. I couldnāt detect sarcasm in either comment, so I read them straight. Lemmy is so averse to sarcasm that I can rarely notice it when itās there. Were you initially speaking sarcastically?
Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?
They're allowed to make an instance, the software can't stop them. They're not required to be federated with.
Just like how you can say anything you want, you're not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.
I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
damn, i gotta check out that place later. i wonder how MAGA will interact with the fediverse. like, how can you be anarchistic and bootlicking at the same time?
edit: this is hilarious.
bootlicking: check ā ļø
"especially towards Americans"
well, at least this one i can understand. Now i have to think about What the Turtle said to Achill, somehow.
this gotta be a troll account. Why is there an "antifa" community on the https://maga.place/ instance?
In the novel Snow Crash, the residents of the white-supremacist micro-state franchises visit other places because they have no non-whites to attack at home.
There was an SNL skit a while ago with a similar vibe. A bunch of white nationalists having a meeting and one guys describing his vision for a white utopia and the other guy is like "yeah I just got back from Vermont and it really sounds like you're describing Vermont"
Iāve noticed a significant uptick in rightist trolls on the fediverse since the devil called Charlie Kirk home. Absolutely nowhere is safe from fascist infiltration for long. Hopefully the half decent instances defederate from those cesspits en masse.
There are some original style old school websites that are niche and small that are fine. Too small to be worth the bots' time.
Eg if you like miniature painting, going to a small, dedicated website forum just for that, is more likely to be genuine than anything like Lemmy or Reddit. And truly it is more decentralized.
Okay, and? The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets a voice. It's good to see more people adopting it too, even conservatives. It'll be less of an echo chamber that way.
Yea, but it's not like they're going to get a whole lot of conversions from here, probably mostly right-wingers who were already here and a couple troll accounts Lmao
I canāt find it. Oh well. š¤·āāļøš¤£ I wonāt subscribe and thereās no algorithm to push its shit on me. And then thereās blocking. Theyāll learn!
There are more comments in this thread alone than this MAGA site will probably ever host. (Trolls and spammers motivated by this thread don't count š )
And honestly? The biggest takeaway from these comments is how many users don't understand the difference between a protocol and a platform.
I don't know how studied fediverse mods are on how the right infiltrated reddit moderation but I really hope you guys know. and that moderator actions are visible to eachother
that's good. they should vet any new mods on their own spaces pretty thoroughly though. the chuds on reddit played a very long game to get to the point where they can do that they do now
We have the modlog, all mod actions are not only visible to other mods and admins but to everyone.
Though there definitely could be some improvement and there have been changes made by dessalines to make it less useful allegedly to protect themselves, it still should be able to prevent that kind of shenanigans
The people here have mostly learned how to deal with fascists, and that includes not wasting time with bad faith bullshit that you have no interest in actually discussing.
I sometimes forget just how many tyrants use this platform.
The very purpose of the fediverse is to make censorship impossible as it's decentralized, open source, and easily accessible to all. Meaning that anyone, anywhere can utilize these tools to launch their own platform on their own terms without fear of being censored. This applies to everyone, not just some.
The very existence of this instance, which is clearly just a parody, is enough to send a good chunk of the freedom lovers here to quickly take the mask off and turn into Mao where they want to take down the instance, infiltrate it, and censor it. The fact they can't is proof that fediverse is working as intended. I, for one, welcome people from all over to use the fediverse. Having a social media that's controlled by the people instead of corporations is a big plus for me.
So are they not part of the fediverse if they don't link up with other instances? 'Cause if not, then all they're saying is they censor things too because they are part of the fediverse...
Meh. I'd rather they have their meeting places out in the light like this than hidden away in the dark web or something.
Just block, defed, move on. No need to feed their narrative of being the last bulwark against the bad guys by dogpiling them. People are allowed to be wrong and you won't change their minds by storming in all righteous at them anyway. That will just entrench them more.
If you truly want to turn them, there's plenty of studies and research done on how to actually influence people and change minds. Some of it is even in leaked classified intelligence agency field guides, which is a fun way to end up on a list!
Also, I think it's a good thing that I sometimes wonder that maybe I'm in the echo chamber. Maybe my mental health is fucked up because I surround myself with angry liberals. I feel like it's almost good to read differing opinions.
I never end up agreeing with them so I guess that's good but questioning yourself is probably good.
I always try to have that in mind when I talk to my SO. I usually say "I've read X and lemmy but lemmy is VERY left bla bla". Not to invalidate what I read here, but to be mindful of my sources.
There's no echo chamber when you're surrounding yourself with people that don't want to kill and harass others for simply being themselves. You're not in one.
Fascists on the other hand, are certainly in an echo chamber.
Yes, sometimes that majority can be wrong.
If I don't call for people to die horribly simply because they're not allowed to abort, which would save their life, does it make me the problem? Or what with people who shout people should be murdered because they're Jewish/Muslim/atheist whatever?
No, the problem lies with the oligarchs fueling that hatred.
yes but also, never underestimate a fascist's and troll's malice
they'll always try to infiltrate everywhere, and upon being asked and their stances exposed, they feign ignorance and will leave the discussion if pushed far enough... but they will always try to seize the room.
we should report, defederate, and give them no publicity except for among mods willing to defederate with the fascists.
Is there a handy list somewhere to defed from? I don't expect them to gain any traction unless they had an existing user base before, but would be nice to keep communal running tab.
There's a community on my home server, hoping more fascists come here... Of course, all posts are locked, and only approved posters can contribute to their "Free Speech Home" lol.
It's certainly of Cyrillic descent but I mean that name in specific, perhaps from Lemmy or the Fediverse? Or... fuck were they the guy who made a fake STALKER multi-player port as a scam?
Good, the more people on this protocol the better. If they behave then they shouldnt be defederated. But most maga beliefs are already breaking every rule.
obviously but until they break the rules the whole instance shouldnt be defederated. I highly doubt an instance called magaland is going to last long though.
There is already a ton of open fascists on this platform. Our instance is defederated with some but not all of them. This is due to rule breaking behavior
And instances that isolate from them will struggle to remain relevant.
Imagine using Fediverse and thinking that some of the instances with certain political alignment can make it effectively centralized by somehow tanking other instances. This is impossible imo, but with this mindset, why not just use centralized platforms?
right wing only threads, forums usually dont survive, because they need to constant attack "the enemy"
to stay relevant, cant have that if everyone just agrees with you all the time.
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cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 300 pts · 335d
them: yaaah safe from the censorship of the fediverse
me: defederates
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 57 pts · 335d
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Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 231 pts · 335d
They're welcome to it.
As far as I'm concerned, this is the entire benefit of lemmy/piefed/etc... They can have their space, and any other instance can choose not to federate with them so we aren't forced to listen to them, unlike the alternative, where an algorithm forces them into everyone's face.
Rather than telling them they don't have the right to speak, we simply have the ability to shut our window and not listen to them.
Let them bitch at each other.
GladiusB@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 335d
Can we build a wall around them?
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 80 pts · 335d
and make MAGA Place pay for it?
GladiusB@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 335d
This one gets it
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 335d
I disagree with them being welcome, if we have more fascists over here eventually we'll get overrun. Best to shut that door immediately.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 335d
Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they're congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.
In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but in Lemmy we're the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.
Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured news@lemmy.world and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 335d
You raise good points, but for me the issue is, the Nazis then still have their own bar. And that creates a hub for them to advertise, spread, and sow hatred. And eventually, to try to buy the owners of the media platform. This is the literal "embrace, extend, extinguish" playbook they're using. Is that not a problem too? How could we combat it best?
I think it's better if we shut down their bar and bar them from even coming to any bar.
They want to go to a bar? Either don't be a fascist or shut up.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 335d
They would have one either way - I mean, just look at Twitter, Reddit, FOX News. Even when there weren't such NAZI spaces bought and paid for by billionaires, NAZIs had their own websites, mailing lists and whatever.
Weakenning the freedom inherent to the Fediverse's implementation just because the NAZIs might use it to create their own space is just indirectly constraining yourself because of the NAZIs, which IMHO is the opposite of what we should be doing.
Would you defend changing HTTP(S) and HTML to somehow stop NAZIs using it because as they are now they can be used by NAZIs to spread their message? How about e-mail? How about pen and paper?
You can't just throw the baby with the bathwater "because NAZIs".
If you really want to stop NAZI messaging altogether you can't do it by Technical means, you have to do it by Social and Political means - Laws Censoring NAZI messaging - and even there, look at Germany that does it and all they seem to have achieved is that the NAZI symbology is hidden whilst a large part of the NAZI way of things is widespread in society (hence the AfD success) and some elements of it are even shared by the majority (hence Germany's very overtly race-justified unconditional support of a nation commiting a Genocide). De facto Germany's banning of NAZIsm hasn't stopped the kind of Fascism like in the US right now or the AfD there, were they use the NAZI propaganda techniques and share many ideological elements with the NAZIs but just don't use NAZI symbols.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 335d
Barring them from everywhere would be ideal, but if not that, barring them from as many places as possible would be good too. Billionnaires have too much power and they are the powderkeg, in my view, that enabled fascism. So imho, we need to reduce their numbers and wealth, redistributing it to everyone.
I defend barring fascists everywhere, and not compromising the resilence of the fediverse to censorship from fascists.
And as for social and political means... in Germany, the AfD has had fewer votes as a % of turnout, than what the Republicans got in the US. I think the real cure is to combat algorithms by the root, and to seize the power over them back to the left and anyone non-fascist (or not as insane).
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 335d
I understand the feeling.
I also look at it Logically and that yields a more subtle take.
My point is that thinking that ANYTHING is acceptable to contain the NAZIs (even when it hurts the rest) is forgetting that the whole point of stopping the NAZIs is to protected everybody else and their freedoms.
I'll give you a parallel example: start by "Everybody should be thrown in Jail to make sure all criminals are in Jail". Whilst it would work, this is obviously senseless. Once that's accepted the discussion becomes "how far should we go to make sure criminals go to Jail" and onwards to "how many innocents wrongly in Jail is acceptable" and "how many criminals who evade Jail is acceptable".
All that is what lead to things like a Justice System with Presumption of Innocence, different sentences for different Crimes and an Appeals System.
When it comes to stopping NAZIs the same reasoning applies - "ANYTHING is acceptable" is obviously senseless (killing all human beings would certainly stop the NAZIs, but I expect we both agree that it's a bit too much) so the discussion is then moved to "how far are we willing to sacrifice the rest in order to stop the NAZIs", which is the area of thinking anchoring my original point - if the NAZIs are contained (by their own choice, even), then maybe it's not worth it to sacrifice the freedom of the rest by mangling the Fediverse if all that would deliver as a result is the near-zero impact outcome of barring the NAZIs from their own separate space in the Fediverse whilst they can still gather elsewhere.
In my view by wanting that you asked originally, a far greater number of people than the number of NAZIs would sacrifice a lot for something that will make the NAZIs lose very little - or in other words your idea amounts to "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".
I don't think that "lets' fuck up what's important for almost everybody in order to barelly inconvenience the NAZIs" is a wise position, even if I understand the impulse to "just fuck those sons of a bitch no matter what".
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 335d
But, how would you inconvenience the Nazis then? How would you deter them from the fediverse?
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 335d
I mean "welcome" in the most generic, passive aggressive Canadian sense of the word. Shutting the door is exactly what the strength of federated/defederated social media is all about.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -7 pts · 335d
You have a very poor understanding of how the fediverse works if you think that's true.
You can always section yourself off from the instances you don't like. If it just so happens that you're sectioning yourself off from most of the fediverse, then that's on you.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 335d
Except that what I call for is a collective defederation from those fascists.
The ones sectioning themselves off are the fascists by virtue of holding repulsive ideologies.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 335d
My friend, the person you replied to is that fascist.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 335d
Thanks for letting me know, blocked them. BlƄhaj on, comrade!
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -4 pts · 335d
Yeah man.
If they're not with you, they're against you.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 335d
Ooh ooh! Please mansplain the fediverse, 12 hour old account!
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 335d
but I'm on Lemmy.World and I'm too stupid to understand everything.
MCTamTam@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 335d
Thank you, now I love lemmy even more.
ronigami@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
And further it āshouldā help build support for Lemmy et alās right to exist
Ofiuco@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 335d
schwim@piefed.zip · 223 pts · 335d
Beware of what? It's no different than any other instance and capable of being subscribed to, scrolled past or blocked.
Stop advertising for them and let them have their federated echo chamber, just like the communists, socialists, leftists and others have.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 335d
it's kinda funny though
biofaust@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 334d
FTFY
NONE_dc@lemmy.world · 102 pts · 335d
I've always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 140 pts · 335d
Ideals donāt matter to them, what matters is spreading their propaganda far and wide.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 76 pts · 335d
Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I've been alive.
They don't care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it's a lie while they smile and say they're being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.
Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 335d
They lie because they believe they'll be part of the "in-group", while in reality, they are going to be censored the moment their higher-up has the ability to turn on them without retribution.
They are fools, but not to be underestimated.
Maiq@piefed.social · 29 pts · 335d
A lot if it is sowing dissent and breaking discourse as well.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 48 pts · 335d
Same reason why tankies don't just move to China, or why some Canadians had Trump bumperstickers: the point is to take over and wield authority as a weapon. Of course they try to invade and pollute every space they can and muddy waters wherever possible.
Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 335d
And they've been incredibly successful in doing so.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 335d
When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as "they get off on ruining your day cuz they're miserable pieces of shit." Speaking from experience.
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 335d
Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you are feeling less miserable now.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 335d
Thanks. Take lots of psychedelics, everyone.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 7 pts · 335d
š¤£
treyf711@eviltoast.org · 9 pts · 335d
People can change. Even if that baby thinks they canāt.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
I worry you're right.
That video is like a weirdly nostalgic confessional of my time in D.C. I was a huge piece of shit. Systematic theology book. Capitol Hill job. Little bitty bow ties. Speakeasies. Pork stuffed potatoes at Dixie Bones. People can change.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
Tl;dr version:
Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say "it's not doing anything" and also take your sister-in-law's portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you're on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to...)
Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.
obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 335d
Now that was a wild ride to read
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
You should've been on the ride! It was indeed something.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
Ok so I've got to make like the CIA and put lsd in fhe water supply? Got it. /s obviously
Funny though as me and a friend found religion through acid, though we stayed progressive. I do really wish more people would go trip in pursuit of better understanding of shared humanity
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 335d
they want attention, which is why magat are so desperate for trump to recognize them.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 335d
"They turned potoooooooo into a conservative!"
Potoooooooo: "...i got better."
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 335d
That's true of everyone, though. Leftists find leftists grating, rigid with their insufferable call-out tactics, fixation on niche issues, clashing priorities, infighting, ease of provocation at obvious bait. We love to troll ourselves & just have a stronger capacity than the right to endure the left.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 30 pts · 335d
They go everywhere because even if a bunch of people are like āfuck off nazisā there will be a few people that are like āoh hey you have some good ideasā.
Thatās why theyāve been recruiting online since the beginning of the internet. Capture whoever you can thatās sympathetic and keep bolstering numbers by any means necessary. Worked out pretty well for them
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 335d
Maybe us commies and socialists need to do it the same way, work against them.
Sludgehammer@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 335d
They need an audience to perform for. When ever you see a social media "safe space" for conservatives (Voat, Truth Social, etc.) they almost always wither and die. They need people to blame for being everything wrong with the world as well as react to their terrible takes, otherwise there's no point in shouting their outrage and anger on the internet.
GladiusB@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
That's fine. But how do they feel about beans?
Ulrich@feddit.org · 22 pts · 335d
Free platforms like the Fediverse would actually suit conservative ideals of freedom quite well.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 335d
If they cared about ideals, that is.
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 335d
Or freedom
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 45 pts · 335d
Since when do conservatives follow conservative ideals of freedom?
That's a reason why it won't work - see Reddit's r/Conservative which lists every post as "approved speech only" aka "flaired users only".
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 335d
and the mods are associated with Russia too, not surprising why its the most repressive sub,(after the others got banned years ago)
Ulrich@feddit.org · -3 pts · 335d
You don't hear them talk about free speech constantly? You don't see conservative platforms popping up every week? Truth Social anyone?
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 335d
Talking and actually sticking with those ideals are totally different things. What they do is called selective enforcement.
Maybe you should try joining that instance and see how far the "conservative freedom" goes?
Ulrich@feddit.org · 0 pts · 335d
Right, but we weren't talking about sticking to the ideals, we were talking about the ideals themselves.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 13 pts · 335d
If those were the ideals, the Kimmel and Colbert firings never wouldāve happened.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 335d
thats why they also favor discord too, have thier own echo chamber, and allow adminstrative controls like with facebook, and not having something like reddit ban system hovering over thier shoulders, plus propaganda mods that keep them from speaking out of line(like with r/conservatives)
frongt@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 335d
If they get defederated, they just spin up a new instance and keep spreading their hate.
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 335d
They got to emigrate the istance users aswell. Seems like a loosing game.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
If the thousand instance users are controlled by three people, it's not that hard.
We might not be there yet though. Elections are far enough out.
I expect 95% of Lemmy to be propaganda and manipulation when we get closer. There's only so much that can be done to keep out nation states when all the users are anonymous.
And when you put your real name on things, you get cancelled.
It's a bad time for the Internet, and I don't have easy answers. Just be very aware that what seems to be "consensus" opinion might actually be twenty accounts controlled by the same guy or organization. They might even argue with each other, and just have the side they want to lose present weak arguments.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 335d
or they infilitrate instances by creating an account in there and just troll.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 335d
Because this place isn't censored for their side, they're trying to break it.
wizblizz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
Ideals? You mean diet fascism?
qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 335d
FOSS is for everyone. Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn't uniquely a leftist ideal, and it should be obvious by now that the political affiliation and community guidelines of big tech companies are entirely dependent on the current political landscape, not any moral values or held ideals, and can change at any moment.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 335d
Are you sure? most people working on projects against big tech tend to be very left leaning. The conservatives love using the appeal of authority to silence minorities and voices they don't like.
Right wing creeping up to take control of these spaces doesn't make it their ideal.
I could be wrong. Can you name some popular projects against big tech by conservatives?
qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 335d
The entire alt-tech sphere, I guess, but other than that I can't really think of many projects that explicitly say they lean right or left. As far as I can tell, most projects focus on working on whatever they're trying to accomplish and don't mention their political opinions for whatever reason, maybe because they don't want to alienate their users and contributors or maybe because they are made by many people, each with their own opinions, and there isn't a single shared belief system behind it, like ThePirateBay for example. We can try to infer what political stance someone holds, like the CEO of Brave, for example, who donated some money to an anti-gay marriage bill in 2008, or the CEO of Proton, who said some positive things about the Republican party recently, but I don't think it's fair to assign a political affiliation to the entire project because some of the team members expressed their opinions.Ā
I think that you make a mistake and assume that just because someone agrees with you on not wanting to be reliant on big tech, they also agree with you on everything else, or you read something likeĀ
and falsely assign that to be a left-wing stance, when in reality most people, left or right, would support that. I haven't seen any evidence that most people working on anti big tech projects are left-leaning. Most people don't publicly share their political beliefs.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
even bootlickers want to feel like they're talking to other real bootlickers, in their online spaces, not just bot/LLM spam
NONE_dc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Hmm, that sounds fair.
geekwithsoul@piefed.social · 6 pts · 335d
They don't want their own spaces as much as making other people's spaces are theirs too - aka "This is why we can't have nice things"
IronBird@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
(imo)...because the AI/bot deluge is slowly but surely becoming more obvious by the day.
even bootlickers want to feel like they're talking to real other bootlickers
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 335d
They're insecure, hateful little twats, and the only comfort they feel is to spread their hateful insecurity around.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com · -2 pts · 335d
Conservatives value the marketplace of ideas. The fediverse is a true embodiment of the marketplace of ideas. No wonder they are coming.
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
Is that really true though?
When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.
Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn't apply to American "conservatives" who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.
The "marketplace of ideas" phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com · -4 pts · 335d
Don't lie to urself we both know that both parties are just as corrupt and bought out by corporate interests. The lefts beliefs are just as performative. Empathy for all people unless they say words we don't like. Gun violence is bad and we should ban all guns but its OK to shoot some people for their opinions.
If the communists are to be tolerated so must the Nazis. Communism is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis their is no argument for one that does not also lend value to the other. I'm of the persuasion that both those ideologies are evil and wrong but those ideas must be combatted by rational discussion and the only way to do that is allow all to speek.
I'm neither a conservative or a democrat. I'm in fact not even a fucking American twat. But I have beliefs that strongly align with both sides and beliefs that strongly oppose both sides. Only in the struggle between ideas can actual change happen. Only through challenging the mind can greater ideas be formed. Fuck the political parties its not a football game where we choose sides and cheer for the downfall of our opponents it as a philosophical dance of ideas where the best shall eclipse all teams.
The marketplace of ideas is an idea it is a concept it is not consecrate it is not progressive it is its own thing and it requires all sides take part. Lemmy is a hard left echo chamber I would like to see lemmy represent the average person to grant all people a voice in the great marketplace of ideas. And to do this we need the rightwingers.
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
I never said anything about US democrats (who are centre-right) or leftists. And where did I say you are American or even that you are a conservative or Democrat. Why are you bringing this up?
I said something very specific, that US conservatives are beholden to oligarchs and even their alleged deeply held beliefs do not pass the basic smell test if you've lived in different countries / speak different languages and so on (this is true irrespective of you political views). It's like claiming the United Russia party has deeply held beliefs. This is a ridiculous proposition.
Making claims that "US conservatives support the marketplace ideas" is exactly the kind of thing that brings up massive red flags. Conservative/Progressive refers to broad political alignment. You can have people in both camps who support the marketplace of ideas and those that don't. You can also have people who like to make statements about supporting the marketplace of ideas for superficial reasons.
barooboodoo@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 335d
Hey Jimmy Kimmel, how do you like that marketplace of ideas? I heard conservatives sure do value that marketplace. Why can't I hear you Jimmy?
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com · -4 pts · 335d
Ohh that's cos the left killed the guy who wanted free speech. Now they playing by your rules. You did this to yourself. The irony is palpable.
U wanted a culture war, u wanted to silence free speech. You are now subject to the paradox of tolerance. You could not tolerate descenting opinions so your opinions cannot he tolerated. Ohh the irony.
barooboodoo@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 334d
Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there's no evidence "the left" killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com · -2 pts · 334d
We both know he was datings someone trans. He had hundreds of hours in a game called "furry shades of gay". Does either of those things sound like right wing to you?
barooboodoo@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 334d
Absolutely, hypocrisy and hating yourself are core tenets of the conservative experience in America.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com · -1 pts · 334d
Ignorance of facts logic and critical thinking seem to be the core tenants of your personal experience.
sorghum@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 335d
Before Trump, the "traditional" social media was likely pushing the Democrats' agenda (like the Twitter files under the guise of more moderation. Now the tactic is being used by the Trump administration just more in the open and in more traditional media (Jimmy Kimmel). Big media is such an easy target for govt influence when it's all ad supported.
I'd bet they see the writing on the wall that the government has too much influence in social media. So this time they don't want to be caught with their pants down when Democrats come back into power. The other thing I feel is on the horizon is the end of the ad supported internet. I've said it before, be prepared to do it yourself or pay for it. I guarantee the guys behind this instance is in the do it yourself camp.
Disclaimer: I am libertarian and view both DNC and GOP as different sides of the same authoritarian coin. Right wing flavored, left wing flavored, both are disgusting when it's authoritarianism.
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · -10 pts · 335d
What's the problem of those right-wing dipshits having their own instance? I'm trying to understand this perspective you all seem to have here.
Someone please elaborate the hesitancy of us accepting MAGA extremists having their own federated community?
cm0002@piefed.world · 38 pts · 335d
Nobody is saying that they can't, mostly what you'll get is calls for defederation.
Calling for defederation is a matter of simply not accepting content or voting from the targeted instance. Everyone has the right to spin up an instance for whatever they believe, but everyone else also has the right to not pass your content through their servers or display it to their users
This isn't to call to shut them down, this is to raise awareness so people can update block lists, instance admins to investigate/check with their users/mods on what they want to do
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 335d
Yeah, isn't truth social part of activitypub, just defederated.. like Mastodon instances probably have blocks up if truth social doesn't have it on their end
TheEntity@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 335d
They can have it. We just don't want to federate with them, which doesn't prevent them from having their own instance all for themselves.
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 335d
They're totally allowed to, just as we're totally allowed to defederate or block or whatever. The question is why are they here, when they have taken over all the mainstream places and don't really need a federated niche community.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 335d
Because I donāt want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · -11 pts · 335d
Are you the type that asks a cockroach or ant infestation to politely go away as well?
naught101@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
Is your argument here that your preferred way to deal with cockroaches is to let them have the run of your house? Hard to red anything rose out of that, given the context.
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · -19 pts · 335d
I need you to work on your reading comprehension and try again. Not going to spoon-feed you what I'm saying if you're here asking me to spell shit out for you friend. Also this is not endorsement of said implications either.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 335d
Might wanna work on your writing skills there, hoss, because your comment reads exactly as described.
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 1 pts · 334d
Maybe I'm too dumb to exist in reality?
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 335d
Youāre not making much sense to me. I ask this sincerely and without prejudice or malice. Are you feeling alright? Do you believe that having someone to talk to might help?
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · -7 pts · 335d
Im trying to tell you that fascism/MAGA is similar to an insect infestation. Would you like me to puree some food for you next and do the airplane thing with the spoon?
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 335d
Itās perfectly fine to be frustrated, but please avoid demeaning others. I couldnāt detect sarcasm in either comment, so I read them straight. Lemmy is so averse to sarcasm that I can rarely notice it when itās there. Were you initially speaking sarcastically?
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · -5 pts · 335d
Yes i was indeed being sarcastic. Apologies for the lack of "/s", I keep forgetting I'm not smart enough to convey the sarcasm well.
grue@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
Because they are trolls whose purpose is to actively harm everybody else. They do not deserve our tolerance.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 335d
Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?
They're allowed to make an instance, the software can't stop them. They're not required to be federated with.
Just like how you can say anything you want, you're not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.
1141kizzie@thelemmy.club · 101 pts · 335d
Funny rule
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 97 pts · 335d
I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 70 pts · 335d
This is just universal monk jerking themselves off.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 335d
I'm so glad we can always rely on Satan's Maggoty Cum Fart for honest and reasonable assessments of situations.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 335d
Wouldn't have it any other way.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
I can believe that. The shitstain avoids having a life like the plague
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 9 pts · 335d
They post like they boof meth.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 335d
Lol
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip · 53 pts · 335d
1 month later: why is our new instance filled exclusively with incels and edgelords and fuckwits?
1 year later: President Trump signs executive order requiring everyone to federate with MAGA
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 26 pts · 335d
1 year + 1 day later: turns out all instances are running on non-American servers.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 2 pts · 335d
Exactly this.
We shouldn't even entertain them. They should be utterly destroyed.
::: spoiler š¤® I am repulsed by fash entertainers š§µ :::
Kevlar21@piefed.social · 1 pts · 335d
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 51 pts · 335d
damn, i gotta check out that place later. i wonder how MAGA will interact with the fediverse. like, how can you be anarchistic and bootlicking at the same time?
edit: this is hilarious.
bootlicking: check ā ļø
"especially towards Americans"
well, at least this one i can understand. Now i have to think about What the Turtle said to Achill, somehow.
this gotta be a troll account. Why is there an "antifa" community on the https://maga.place/ instance?
58008@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 335d
Why would they not just stay on Twitter, Truth Social, reddit or Facebook? Those places are tailor-made for MAGA š¤
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 335d
They want to spread their diareah everywhere
Mniot@programming.dev · 23 pts · 335d
In the novel Snow Crash, the residents of the white-supremacist micro-state franchises visit other places because they have no non-whites to attack at home.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 335d
is that the Network State that Peter Thiel is trying to build?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 335d
Actually, yes, pretty much.
Amazing novel though.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 335d
There was an SNL skit a while ago with a similar vibe. A bunch of white nationalists having a meeting and one guys describing his vision for a white utopia and the other guy is like "yeah I just got back from Vermont and it really sounds like you're describing Vermont"
ganbramor@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 335d
They probably get bored in their echo chambers and eventually want to try their five or six canned lines on someone new.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -4 pts · 335d
If you think twitter is an echo chamber but lemmy isn't then I have a bridge to sell you.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 335d
Iāve noticed a significant uptick in rightist trolls on the fediverse since the devil called Charlie Kirk home. Absolutely nowhere is safe from fascist infiltration for long. Hopefully the half decent instances defederate from those cesspits en masse.
GladiusB@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 335d
That's because they are fucking bored and have no real personality or hobbies.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
There are some original style old school websites that are niche and small that are fine. Too small to be worth the bots' time.
Eg if you like miniature painting, going to a small, dedicated website forum just for that, is more likely to be genuine than anything like Lemmy or Reddit. And truly it is more decentralized.
dumbass@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 335d
I've been hammering the block user feature a lot lately.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -9 pts · 335d
Good!
That's what it's for!
We don't need to censor something for everyone just because we don't like what's being said!
dumbass@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 335d
*sniffs* Smells like Nazi in here.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -7 pts · 335d
š
dumbass@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 335d
You dropped this.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -6 pts · 335d
š„±
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 334d
100% a parody instance: https://maga.place/post/2245?scrollToComments=true
Even mention Epstein+Trump like that would be a site-wide shadowban posted on /r/conservative.
It's good though. It's plausibly pro trump.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 335d
I can't believe there's this many people talking about an instance with one user.
Debating the big issues here guys.
aramis87@fedia.io · 37 pts · 335d
Hates fediverse, still wants to be part of it.
YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 335d
Exactly!
āWe hate the fediverse! Join us on our Lemmy server in the fediverse!ā
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
It's their "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" attempt. We'll use it on them instead.
"Deny, defed, disunite".
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 335d
Sounds like they explicitly don't want to federate. Unless it's a parody site, I guess.
meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 334d
Hot take (?):
It's fantastic that there is a branch of MAGA who hates the corporate Internet as much as we do.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 29 pts · 335d
Okay, and? The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets a voice. It's good to see more people adopting it too, even conservatives. It'll be less of an echo chamber that way.
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 335d
I bet it's yet another joint run by the Internet Research Agency or its successors.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
100%
qaz@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 335d
Let them federate with Hexbear
pyre@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 335d
good thing they want to be free from the fediverse, because the fediverse should definitely be free from this shit.
defederate fascists.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 334d
Another hive of pedophiles. Wonderful.
Pizza_Rat@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 335d
Wonder if they know about the Epstein files š¤
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 335d
we should start a fediverse tv show called fedi-deathmatch and its just 5 ppl from maga.place and 5 ppl from hexbear.net having a debate
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 335d
If I wanted to make a honeypot to get these fucks arrested this is how Iād do it.
synae@lemmy.sdf.org · 23 pts · 335d
I hope they meet hexbear soon
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
They are the same people. As in bad faith actors/bots
CPMSP@midwest.social · 7 pts · 335d
That will be a war for the ages
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 335d
they would befriend them ala Red Scare podcast out of spite
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com · 21 pts · 334d
Safe spaces? Sounds like snowflakes to me
PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world · 21 pts · 334d
Good to see maga entering the fediverse take away power and capitol from corporations
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 20 pts · 335d
They canāt even write their own fucking acronym right. Itās MAGA, not āMaga.ā
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
Magat please.
RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
The stars aren't even centered. They're to the left. I call shenanigans
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 335d
I get some AI generated vibes off of that image honestly, which would definitely explain the funky star alignment if my gut instinct is correct
RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
I just thought it was funny their stars lean to the left. You'd think they'd have blown a gasket over this but it seems they just haven't noticed.
Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 334d
The most idiotic, worthless, meaningless, unabashedly moronic space in the Lemmy universe has appeared! Great.
MisterOwl@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 335d
Call themselves "patriots"-
Then actively support a rapist that shits on the constitution on a daily basis.
MaggotPlace
unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 335d
Does North Korea also have a fediverse instance ?
distantsounds@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 335d
isnāt this free promotion of it? Edit: idk maybe itās me but I just deal with these when they appear naturally in my feed
cm0002@piefed.world · 5 pts · 335d
Yea, but it's not like they're going to get a whole lot of conversions from here, probably mostly right-wingers who were already here and a couple troll accounts Lmao
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 335d
Would probably have been better to quietly report those to other big federated places, so they can defed.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 335d
you're also free to block instances that are offensive, as are instance admins can block extemist instances that are disruptive.
Phegan@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 335d
Zerlyna@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 335d
I canāt find it. Oh well. š¤·āāļøš¤£ I wonāt subscribe and thereās no algorithm to push its shit on me. And then thereās blocking. Theyāll learn!
cm0002@piefed.world · 16 pts · 335d
It's a whole instance, but they haven't made any comms yet but I think it's only like a day old so the nazi-comms are probably coming soon
Zerlyna@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
Oh! I see that now duh. So defederate then?
Bonus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 335d
naught101@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 335d
Instance admins can block the instance
Bonus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 335d
Personally you can add the instance name to the instance block list
Bonus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 334d
There are more comments in this thread alone than this MAGA site will probably ever host. (Trolls and spammers motivated by this thread don't count š )
And honestly? The biggest takeaway from these comments is how many users don't understand the difference between a protocol and a platform.
apftwb@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 335d
I bet they use Windows
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 335d
I don't know how studied fediverse mods are on how the right infiltrated reddit moderation but I really hope you guys know. and that moderator actions are visible to eachother
Skavau@piefed.social · 21 pts · 335d
Maga.place is already defederated by a bunch of instances.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 335d
that's good. they should vet any new mods on their own spaces pretty thoroughly though. the chuds on reddit played a very long game to get to the point where they can do that they do now
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
Who defederated so far?
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -6 pts · 335d
Lol, defederated literally for political views even though their rules are the same as everyone else.
Glad I stopped taking ya'll seriously. Too much corruption and stupidity on both sides.
Skavau@piefed.social · 1 pts · 335d
It's an instance that says "safe from the madness and censorship of the fediverse". The opening pitch is them being combative.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -2 pts · 335d
Skavau@piefed.social · 1 pts · 335d
What? Just saying they're clearly here to rhetorically pick a fight.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 334d
cm0002@piefed.world · 10 pts · 335d
We have the modlog, all mod actions are not only visible to other mods and admins but to everyone.
Though there definitely could be some improvement and there have been changes made by dessalines to make it less useful allegedly to protect themselves, it still should be able to prevent that kind of shenanigans
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 335d
good! š
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -5 pts · 335d
How did the right infiltrate reddit moderation?
It looks like the exact opposite. Pretty sure you can be banned from most subreddits, and maybe even reddit itself, just for saying "tranny."
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
Just because the right refuses to take action on homophobic slurs, doesn't make those that do take action "the left".
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -4 pts · 335d
If the right truly did infiltrate the moderation on reddit, then why would anyone be getting banned for saying it?
There is no "refusal to take action."
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
"infiltrate" != "Totally replaced"
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -5 pts · 335d
Ok.
How did they infiltrate? I asked that from the beginning.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
Do you not see the multitude of examples of people being banned for rejecting genocide?
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -6 pts · 335d
Let me fix that for you, "There are multitudes of examples of people being banned for rejecting genocide."
Own your argument instead of trying to get me to make it for you.
Where are these examples? Can you share any? What genocide are you talking about? How are they "rejecting" it?
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
Being banned for a slur isn't left-wing, fascist with _ss in their name.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -3 pts · 335d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 335d
The people here have mostly learned how to deal with fascists, and that includes not wasting time with bad faith bullshit that you have no interest in actually discussing.
Go away
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · 1 pts · 334d
Stamets@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 335d
KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol · 15 pts · 335d
š¤”
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 335d
Any guesses on what our "American patriot" friend ArtemZ means by the last character of his name? I've got my suspicions.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 6 pts · 335d
ZAMBONI, BAYBEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 334d
I sometimes forget just how many tyrants use this platform.
The very purpose of the fediverse is to make censorship impossible as it's decentralized, open source, and easily accessible to all. Meaning that anyone, anywhere can utilize these tools to launch their own platform on their own terms without fear of being censored. This applies to everyone, not just some.
The very existence of this instance, which is clearly just a parody, is enough to send a good chunk of the freedom lovers here to quickly take the mask off and turn into Mao where they want to take down the instance, infiltrate it, and censor it. The fact they can't is proof that fediverse is working as intended. I, for one, welcome people from all over to use the fediverse. Having a social media that's controlled by the people instead of corporations is a big plus for me.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 334d
Sic the tankies on them
fuckamerica@maga.place · 12 pts · 335d
Hey I found the OFFICIAL ANTIFA HEADQUARTERS?!?!?
gigachad@piefed.social · 12 pts · 335d
joan@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 334d
Laughing at the 1 user count
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 335d
Look at this way; Fediverse becomes even more popular
Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
deafboy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 335d
Admins: ArtemZ
Forgot to switch from personal to work account? :D
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 335d
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 335d
Instance binned!
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 335d
thanks.
Sunshine@anarchist.nexus · 7 pts · 335d
Good call!
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 334d
So are they not part of the fediverse if they don't link up with other instances? 'Cause if not, then all they're saying is they censor things too because they are part of the fediverse...
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 335d
Meh. I'd rather they have their meeting places out in the light like this than hidden away in the dark web or something.
Just block, defed, move on. No need to feed their narrative of being the last bulwark against the bad guys by dogpiling them. People are allowed to be wrong and you won't change their minds by storming in all righteous at them anyway. That will just entrench them more.
If you truly want to turn them, there's plenty of studies and research done on how to actually influence people and change minds. Some of it is even in leaked classified intelligence agency field guides, which is a fun way to end up on a list!
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
I can think of worse lists to be on
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Everyone Probably Sometimes Thinks Everything Is Nothing. Like I Shouldn't Think.
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
Damn it took me way longer than I care to admit what that jumbled mess of words meant lol
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
Also, I think it's a good thing that I sometimes wonder that maybe I'm in the echo chamber. Maybe my mental health is fucked up because I surround myself with angry liberals. I feel like it's almost good to read differing opinions.
I never end up agreeing with them so I guess that's good but questioning yourself is probably good.
uranibaba@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
I always try to have that in mind when I talk to my SO. I usually say "I've read X and lemmy but lemmy is VERY left bla bla". Not to invalidate what I read here, but to be mindful of my sources.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
Lemmy isn't very left. It's just normal people, i.e. that dislike fascists.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
There's no echo chamber when you're surrounding yourself with people that don't want to kill and harass others for simply being themselves. You're not in one.
Fascists on the other hand, are certainly in an echo chamber.
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
You are literally saying "I'm not in an echo chamber, the people that disagree with me are." I think it's good to question yourself once in a while.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 335d
Ah, a false appeal to a majority.
Yes, sometimes that majority can be wrong. If I don't call for people to die horribly simply because they're not allowed to abort, which would save their life, does it make me the problem? Or what with people who shout people should be murdered because they're Jewish/Muslim/atheist whatever?
No, the problem lies with the oligarchs fueling that hatred.
Anyway, thanks for adding one to the block list!
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
You're blocking me because I think you should question your opinion now and again?
MisterCurtis@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
In all honesty, let them have it. Let them out themselves, let them put it on record. Let them burn themselves for the future.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 335d
That's how it always begins. I disagree. Fascists will never peacefully claim a place or burn out. They need to be barred and removed.
I say we collectively defed from them.
MisterCurtis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Okay, I agree. I reflected on my original statement today and changed my opinion after talking about it with my peers in the real-world.
tomkatt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
Eww gross.
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
I hope .world will ban themā¦
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
The US just canāt seem to get over the Confederacy.
I think we failed in the re-education process and should have adopted something similar to post WWII Germany and crushing out nazism.
Hiphophorrah@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
Cut the cancer out
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 335d
Aaaand blocked. Thanks for the heads up!
rustbuckett@lemmings.world · 6 pts · 334d
gross.
Bonus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 335d
cm0002@piefed.world · 5 pts · 335d
maga.place
Bonus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
walden@wetshav.ing · 5 pts · 335d
I went to maga.place and it's so edgy! Some 13 year old is having a good laugh at their own jokes.
I know it's brand new, but as of right now it seems like a waste of time to even talk about it.
Could be a different story a week from now, but until then who cares.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
yes but also, never underestimate a fascist's and troll's malice
they'll always try to infiltrate everywhere, and upon being asked and their stances exposed, they feign ignorance and will leave the discussion if pushed far enough... but they will always try to seize the room.
we should report, defederate, and give them no publicity except for among mods willing to defederate with the fascists.
ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com · 4 pts · 335d
Is there a handy list somewhere to defed from? I don't expect them to gain any traction unless they had an existing user base before, but would be nice to keep communal running tab.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 4 pts · 335d
At this point, theyāve become another flat earther movement.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 335d
Flat Brainers.
No wrinkles.
dickalan@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
Fuck off with your advertisement, seriously fuck you
cm0002@piefed.world · 15 pts · 335d
I don't think it's particularly helpful to allow it to fester in secret
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 335d
Knowing the train is coming isn't without merit.
dickalan@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 335d
Thatās a shitty comparison and does not hold up, try again
rumba@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 335d
Swing and a block!
dickalan@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 335d
This isnāt a train station. You donāt have to let your comings and goings be known ya Performative loser
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
You could've just reported it quietly to all mods of instances with more than a few users, though.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 1 pts · 335d
Are you going to go to Virginia and shut them down?
dickalan@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 335d
Staying in secret is where it shouldāve been now everybody knows about it. Thanks to you.
Chozo@fedia.io · 12 pts · 335d
You may notice that OP never provided a link to the instance. It's not an advertisement, it's a warning.
dickalan@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 335d
People can google shit, it absolutely was an advertisement ya dunce. Cleverly crafted as an alert
Chozo@fedia.io · 2 pts · 335d
Okay.
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 334d
There's a community on my home server, hoping more fascists come here... Of course, all posts are locked, and only approved posters can contribute to their "Free Speech Home" lol.
gary@piefed.world · 4 pts · 335d
That's like a leftist trying to start a clique on truth social lol
Harvey656@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
Artemz... feel like that name is familiar...
davidagain@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
Sounds Russian to me.
Dumhuvud@programming.dev · 5 pts · 335d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artyom - it is. And the Z in their username is actually capitalized. Hmm, I wonder why.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 335d
i wouldnt be surprised, since r/cons is controlled by russian mods.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 335d
turns out it's actually a russian matrushka all the way down
Harvey656@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
It's certainly of Cyrillic descent but I mean that name in specific, perhaps from Lemmy or the Fediverse? Or... fuck were they the guy who made a fake STALKER multi-player port as a scam?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 335d
I thought they already had a few instances: Reddit, X, (Un)Truth Social, FB, and soon TikTok.
moseschrute@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
I like Untruth Social lol
Hiphophorrah@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
Cut it out
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 335d
Auth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Good, the more people on this protocol the better. If they behave then they shouldnt be defederated. But most maga beliefs are already breaking every rule.
Ileftreddit@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 335d
Auth@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 335d
obviously but until they break the rules the whole instance shouldnt be defederated. I highly doubt an instance called magaland is going to last long though.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 335d
So imagine you own a bar...
Auth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
ok defed them all idc. Defed .ml to if you want to use the bar analogy.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
I'm in favor of defederating ml as well.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
They break the rules by being a fascist. Fuck off, fascists, I say!
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
If the fascists behave?
Auth@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 335d
There is already a ton of open fascists on this platform. Our instance is defederated with some but not all of them. This is due to rule breaking behavior
androidul@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
created by a lad called Artem ā whatāre the odds
StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 335d
Hmm. Whereād I put the popcorn?
waldo_was_here@piefed.social · 2 pts · 335d
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 333d
Congratulations, you are being rescued! Do not resist.
hankskyjames777@thebrainbin.org · 1 pts · 327d
Get it crossposted to !fediblock@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 333d
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 334d
Maybe we can infect a few and switch them to socialist. We can't kill them all.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 335d
Per number 3, sounds like it's welcoming to counter culture
muzzle@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 335d
Hey, I hope Lemmy.zip federates with them! I sometimes listen to the tankies, I don't see why I should not read the fascists as well.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com · -13 pts · 335d
This might actually help the fediverse go mainstream. And instances that isolate from them will struggle to remain relevant.
cm0002@piefed.world · 4 pts · 335d
Lol yea ok tagged right-winger user from the right-wing HC instance LMAO even
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com · -2 pts · 335d
Hc isn't right wing it's politically neutral same as lemmy.world we just get shit cos we ain't big enough to not get bullied like lemmy.world
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
https://lemmy.world/post/36295703?scrollToComments=true
I mean, obviously you're wrong...
I just don't understand why lemmy.world admins keep federating with troll instances.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 334d
Because sadly seem okay with most as long as they're not left leaning instances
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 334d
LW isn't center right??? Til
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 335d
Says a moderator of !Antifa@maga.place
cm0002@piefed.world · 1 pts · 335d
hisao@ani.social · 2 pts · 335d
Imagine using Fediverse and thinking that some of the instances with certain political alignment can make it effectively centralized by somehow tanking other instances. This is impossible imo, but with this mindset, why not just use centralized platforms?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 335d
right wing only threads, forums usually dont survive, because they need to constant attack "the enemy" to stay relevant, cant have that if everyone just agrees with you all the time.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world · -14 pts · 335d
I would support this if they didn't just ban/censor people they disagreed with.
We definitely need more open spaces for discussion on the internet.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 335d
I am not even maga or American but it's nice to see freedom of speech and multiple different opinions in the left infested internet echo chamber