Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3212428/firefox-is-now-the-last-major-browser-that-still-supports-ublock-origin.html

Firefox says it will keep supporting uBlock Origin even as Microsoft Edge and other Chromium browsers phase it out under Manifest V3.

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gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 308 pts · 4d (15 replies)

If they ever stop supporting it I will continue to use the last version to support it, any website that breaks compatibility with this Firefox version can get fucked.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 188 pts · 4d (8 replies)

That’s a significant security risk, unfortunately.

If that happens, I’d suggest a fork with a built in blocker, one that still gets security patches from upstream Firefox.

Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 116 pts · 4d (7 replies)

Exactly. Ublock origin is notable only for being part of 0 ad companies and 100% trustworthy. The blocking lists are universal. If it’s built into the browser, you’re golden

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Well…

With a fork, one is very dependent on the browser dev. Not just on their benevolence, but on their security practices too. And on them pulling in upstream security patches, quickly.

TBH, this is why I do finance stuff on vanilla Firefox. I love browser forks, I really do, but I’m a bit more cautious with them, too.

Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 25 pts · 4d (1 reply)

The most used forks are usually larger teams tbf, not a single dev

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d

True, sometimes. But they don’t have the sheer manpower dedicated to security that Mozilla has, nor the institutional policies that try to mitigate losing a key/account or something like that. Also, technically, vanilla Firefox is first to get the zero-day patches before they filter downstream.

Not that the forks are dangerous or anything, generally.

gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 4d

"Dev" as if it's just a singular person

Most of the forks are teams of 10-20 devs

ruby@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 4d (2 replies)

i mean… blocking lists are universal, but the other features ublock offers are not - i'm making heavy use of ublock's dynamic filtering panel and per-site switches. one important thing i use ublock for is to whitelist which sites get javascript permissions and to get rid of remote fonts to make pages more readable. those features need manifest v2.

if firefox drops manifest v2 and you're relying purely on those inbuilt blocking lists then you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

amorpheus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

Can confirm, I was thinking about switching off of Chrome due to this but since I don't use the custom stuff (much) I'm not noticing a difference with the v3 compatible "light" version of uBlock Origin.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d

if firefox drops manifest v2

I think they said they will go out of their way to keep the extension APIs in Mv3 that uBlock needs

anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 4d (1 reply)

I’ll just spend my reading time reading more books than I do now. Forcing me to look at ads will not work.

StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social · 10 pts · 4d

wait for 4g books that serve you unskippable ads

candyman337@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Librewolf would probably still support it

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

librewolf does not have much developer capacity to maintain such heavy patches. you may remember some chromium forks telling they will maintain a patch when google completely removes this API from chromium, but it seems none of them will follow through. I can't really fault them because it is likely a gargantuan task. but I'll fault them for claiming something they (should) have known they can't deliver. but my point is if vivaldi and others can't keep it, how could librewolf?

mbirth@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 4d

I'd probably go retro, use something like Dillo and stick to more classic webpages. Or go full Gopher/Gemini.

_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 4d

as a websev, you're gonna have a bad time

nullspace@lemmy.world · 276 pts · 4d (30 replies)

I can't imagine using the web without firefox and ublock. Even the cookie consent popups are awful.

LucidNightmare@anarchist.nexus · 48 pts · 4d (7 replies)

Seriously. I clear my cookies on Firefox exit because I don’t want their shit on my computer if it isn’t needed.

This would cause me to see them every single damn time.

tal@lemmy.today · 23 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Yeah, the user experience of "just wipe cookies on browser exit" is a lot better than "have a million prompts all over zillions of sites".

However, regarding "every single damn time"...some sites can have their "do you want cookies" popup just blocked by the Firefox I still don't care about cookies addon. It's not a solution for every site out there, but it'll get a lot of them.

It's also possible to use another extension, Behind the Overlay on some sites. This does require a click, so manual action, but it tries to identify "pop-over" content that covers up the browser window and remove it with that click. It's really intended as a more-general solution to "pop-over" stuff, but cookie pop-ups often take this form and can be dismissed.

refreeze@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 4d (1 reply)

You can also just enable one of the "Cookie notices" lists in your ublock settings, no need for another extension.

freely1333@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 4d

Especially considering how many extensions have been found to be malware lately

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 4d (2 replies)

have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.

I'm using Ghostery to automatically reject all of those. They pop-in and almost immediately disappear.

JackbyDev@programming.dev · 0 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Ghostery blocks trackers then sells data about your tracking blocking habits. It was the first tracker blocker I heard of but Privacy Badger is the better one nowadays.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1d

Not true since 2017 (and even before that it was kinda' disputed). The adblock part of the business went to Cliqz, a German privacy-focused browser, backed by Mozilla.

I have downvoted your comment because it's repeating a popular myth, nothing against you personally.

FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 1d

I recommend using the extensions Containers and "temporary containers" instead. This way you can keep cookies for specific containers / websites but all the other cookies get deleted.

Psythik@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Ublock Lite still works in Chrome (and it still blocks YouTube ads, not sure about cookie popups), but you get no control over the filters. Just a slider with some presets to choose from. So while better than nothing, just stick with Firefox.

Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 4d

Now that MV2 is dead in chrome, i wouldn't bet on YouTube ads being able to be blocked by UBlock Lite for much longer.

freely1333@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Pretty sure full ublock origin still works in helium no?

woelkchen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

Pretty sure I've read months ago that the maintainers said they'll try to support it as long as possible but at the moment v2 support is removed from the source code, they'll won't have the resources to add it back again.

Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 4d (17 replies)

LibreWolf, WaterFox and Vivaldi

pupbiru@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 4d (5 replies)

vivaldi recently disabled uBO and said it’d soon be unsupported. you can re-enable for now

charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 4d (3 replies)

I was using vivaldi and they were kind enough(seriously) to inform me that they don't support ublock anymore maybe a week ago.

Not sure about the reason but I think that it's a technical thing the Google changed to deliberately make it easy to end ublock on a lot of browsers. Might not be the only reason(actual tech upgrades) but I believe it's part of the reason since major conspiracies seem much more likely these days.

Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can't play x.265 files (jellyfin). Anything that kills the use of ublock is dead to me even though they have their own shitty, bullshit blocking solution. It's never going to be as good as ublock edit grammar and shit

im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 4 pts · 3d

It's not a conspiracy. It's been a very well published and discussed process.

There are exceptions but browsers are either reconfigurations of firefox, like librewolf, or reconfigurations of google chrome, like vivaldi.

Some dweeb will be along in a moment to tell us all how vivaldi is not merely a reconfiguration, but the point is ...

google changed the manner in which plugins can interact with the web page you see. In recent months you could re-enable the old plugin interface by recompiling with a different configuration, but once google makes a change that breaks that old interface then you can't just re-enable it.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can't play x.265 files (jellyfin).

you should check that again, Firefox gained support for it last year.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Media/Guides/Formats/Video_codecs#hevc_h.265

check the browser compatibility column in the table. it seems maybe Firefox is the only one supporting it even for those without hardware acceleration?

charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

Admittedly, I haven't tried too hard to get it working in any of the FF browsers lately...my unraid server blew up and it was handling hardware acceleration with a cheap intel vid card. I haven't felt like messing with until now so I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the info

edit: no transcoding when l tried an x.265 in regular firefox. sweet

Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d

I didn't know that, well glad I went to LibreWolf.

huey_m@piefed.social · 7 pts · 4d

Zen, though I think that's basically Firefox under the hood.

wallabra@lemmy.eco.br · 1 pts · 4d (5 replies)

...may you elaborate?

Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 4d (4 replies)

LibreWolf has it pre-installed and is Open-source. It worked on waterfox an Open-source fork of Firefox, last time I tried.

As for Vivaldi I guess use Brave instead.

woelkchen@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Brave is the money generator of a far right hate group. Fuck Brendan Eich, fuck their ad replacement scam, fuck everything Brave.

Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Really!!??!? I had no clue!!!!!

I just got back into being into the open source life after going back to Ubuntu after almost 20 years later. I stopped using Ubuntu in 2009 when Pigeon was an aio instant messenger client.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d (1 reply)
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d

..... Well shit. Yeah fuck that guy.

HieroProtagonist@feddit.org · -15 pts · 4d (3 replies)

And Brave, don't forget brave

Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 4d (2 replies)

No, you should forget brave it's yet another piece of shit chrome knock off. Just like the rest. It ain't immune. It can kick and scream but either the entire project dies or they bend the knee eventually.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

Not to defend Brave (seriously, don't use Brave), but it has built-in ad-blocking.

HieroProtagonist@feddit.org · -13 pts · 4d

As long as chromium is open source I see no problem down the line... and if Google one day stops the funding of open source projects, well, the Firefox is also toast

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 160 pts · 4d (20 replies)

The best extension :)

_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · -145 pts · 4d (19 replies)

+ a mediocre browser

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 113 pts · 4d (5 replies)

No, you're a mediocre browser

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 45 pts · 4d (3 replies)

And his mom is too

joelfromaus@aussie.zone · 22 pts · 4d

Can confirm; Dan’s mom = very mediocre. Not worth the journey to her house 3/10.

blazeknave@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d

Gotem!

nullify3112@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d

His dad is a great Bowser though

_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d

this is legit one of the funniest comebacks

Bazoogle@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 4d (3 replies)

What is mediocre about it? What would be an example of a good browser, and what are the differences?

Carl@anarchist.nexus · 25 pts · 4d

Nothing is mediocre about it. All of the “best” browsers are based on FF’s Gecko engine. Maybe they have complaints about Mozilla or the weird stuff they’ve been doing with FF recently. But the actual Gecko engine is solid, and it’s what all the best browsers are based on.

Damage@feddit.it · 14 pts · 4d

Don't feed the troll, down vote and move on

_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 3d

im an old web dev and im stuck in my shitty ways which includes not liking how ff is the only effing browser that takes extra effort to make the front-end look and function correctly. tbh, i do use ff on android 99% of the time, but ff on desktop breaks too many sites if you have any inkling of ff's security turned on.

im not wrong, you all are just fanboys

Doug@piefed.social · 8 pts · 4d (4 replies)

complaints not parsed into action items aren’t worth anyone’s time.

_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 17h (3 replies)

you assume im here to enrich your online experience. im not. parse your own shit

Doug@piefed.social · 0 pts · 16h (2 replies)

3 days later and that’s all you’ve got? No wit in that staircase. The only time you’re worth is the catharsis in telling you to kick rocks; so kick rocks.

_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 11h (1 reply)

Yes, 3 days later because I'm not terminally online like you

Doug@piefed.social · 1 pts · 11h

yeah no you’re still not worth my time. time to block your little wet fart of an existence. byeeeeeeeee

patruelis@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Why?

Prox@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 4d

It's bait. The only "better" browsers are downstreams of FF.

W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 4d

No, you’re a towel

Kaligalis@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 4d

Yeah, but it does run uBlock Origin, renders web pages just fine, can do WebRTC, and even has support for bookmarks and pinned tabs. What else do you want from a web browser?

Chrome's advantages were in the security and performance departments. But Firefox isn't that much worse.

Sunshine@lemmy.ca · 113 pts · 4d (22 replies)

Google is locking down Android too!

!linuxphones@lemmy.ca

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 24 pts · 4d (20 replies)

Is there a good small cheap repairable phone out there? I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone. And I cant experiment as much as I would want on my main phone.

Ive almost thought about carrying a tiny burner phone then a small laptop for everything else.

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 4d (8 replies)

I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone

What do you mean? You can't use your FP4?

I'm considering getting a FP6 relatively soon, and would be using it as my only one..

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 8 pts · 4d (5 replies)

I use android via /e/os. But I cannot experiment with my only phone. There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

FF is a great phone btw.

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 4d (4 replies)

There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

That's my main concern too.

Here in Denmark, the MitID authentification app is completely integral to functioning online, and last I checked it doesn't work on GrapheneOS, so /e/os is probably not likely either 🫤

cabbage@piefed.social · 2 pts · 3d

I got myself a physical code chip because MitID doesn't work with /e/. The code chip works great.

The app is probably convenient, but I am also very happy not to depend on my phone to sign in to everything.

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 2 pts · 4d

I think you should be able to emulate /e/ OS to try out some stuff? Maybe someone else can chime in. Dont know if that helps or not.

My 2fa works in /e/ but im going to assume other OSes probably wont.

xylol@leminal.space · 1 pts · 4d (1 reply)

You can't use something like bitwarden for mitid?

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 4d

Nope, you'll need mitid specifically. It's run by the government and mandated 😮‍💨

Attacker94@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d

Every Linux phone uses an android shim just because it isn't possible to change the firmware iirc

fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 4d

I love my FP6

Sunshine@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 4d (2 replies)

You named it the Fairphone is the best Linux phone.

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 4 pts · 4d (1 reply)

You have a point.

...it is a really nice phone.

I just cant afford two. First world problem haha.

cabbage@piefed.social · 1 pts · 3d

I have a FP5 and a similar problem to you. My FP3 before it died on me so it's not much help.

I'm low key planning to find a second hand FP3 and use it to experiment with Linux until I find there are no big problems with using it as a daily driver. In practice I don't really have enough time to put into it so I'll probably keep on using /e/ for the forseeable future.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d (1 reply)

The Commedore phone, if you want something minimalistic that does have Android compatibility.

albbi@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 4d

I'm looking at preordering it. Shipping now would be Dec-Jan.

communism@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Last I was aware, Linux phones work really well on Google Pixel 3as. They're no longer supported by stock Android nor still manufactured so I assume the second hand ones will be cheap.

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 1 pts · 4d (4 replies)

I appreciate the response.

I have owned two google phones. Both had hardware issues/battery issues and one almost exploded. One day it got super hot and the battery turned into a spicy pillow. Sorry but im not going to get another google phone as long as I live. Neither lasted more than 2 years.

communism@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 4d (2 replies)

That's fair. Which models did you have? I had a couple problems with the earlier Google Pixels, but I've found the later ones have really ironed out their hardware problems.

I think your main problem is going to be finding phones for cheap that also work well as Linux phones. I think the lowest-effort options like Pine phones are gonna cost you more. But I wish you luck.

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 1 pts · 4d

I had a 4 I think? That one lasted about a year and a half before the battery wouldn't last more than half a day. Then it bricked one day. Not sure what happened.

The 6a was the worst. It was cheap and good at first. But then kept getting hotter and hotter...almost burnt me.

slugger@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 3d

I had a p7 and it only lasted 3 yrs. Motherboard went. 750 euros that had cost brand new. First phone I have bought that didn't last > 5 yrs

hornedfiend@piefed.social · 1 pts · 4d

get the new Jolla Linux phone.

vogi@piefed.social · 3 pts · 4d

As far as I know the Google Developer Verification BS won't reach Custom ROMs right? But yea in the long run it probably makes sense to make the jump one day or another.

TWeaK@lemmy.today · 95 pts · 4d

Alternate headline: Firefox is now the only browser worth using.

And in any case, lumping Firefox as one browser is disingenuous. There are numerous Firefox forks, just like every other major browser is in fact a Google Chromium fork.

RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world · 88 pts · 4d (6 replies)

Like a true google hate inspired hipster I have been using Firefox for at least the past 9 years. Don't let one of the shittiest companies control even more of the world because you are too fucking lazy to switch to a different browser. If you have to deal with a few shitty websites made by morons that only work in chrome keep a secondary chromium install on standby when you have to hold your nose and use it.

neclimdul@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d (4 replies)

Honestly I can only think of one. Weirdly a "developer platform"

Well I guess a couple more because keyboard firmware sites do that usb browser thing that terrifies me is a thing and only chrome supports.

planish@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 4d

Firefox recently grew that terrifying WebSerial USB thing!

RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 4d

I have been a web dev for over 25... oh god... approaching 30 years, and most web dev teams with an ounce of self respect will spend the honestly trivial time to test against different browsers. I consider it a basic part of the god damn job. Even still banks and government sites seem to not give a fuck.

acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 4d

Nativia is a cross platform electron app that runs on your machine without network access and allows you to configure most of these keyboards. It's also open source.

aidan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d

For a while I think it was Papa Johns, or Dominos, some pizza chain site didn't work on Firefox. Worse than that though when I was in highschool I remember some school district stuff didn't work on Firefox

Aeder@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d

In my experience even one of the platforms with moronic developers eventually fixed their Firefox support. I dunno if the surge in Linux users had anything to do with it or not, or if it was because I would browser there, make my payments fail then switch to the Falkon browser every single time.

biginjapan@lemmy.nz · 75 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Being unable to use manifest v2 extensions anymore on most chromium based stuff has resulted in me writing off almost all browsers that are base on chromium. Kudos to Firefox for continuing to support it! Let's hope that does not change at all anytime soon.

freijon@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 3d

fortunately uBlock still works on Helium

mountainRadish@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 4d (6 replies)

Future is dark:

  1. Android getting locked down

  2. They are asking your government ID to use OS, access internet etc.

There must be real protest, revolution, something otherwise it will just get worst

Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 4d (5 replies)

pssst: it's gonna get worse

Download a shitload of epubs, roms, backup of wikipedia, and get ready for full-on, unmissable, 1984-style marketing and propaganda culture. You'll see it, you'll have to see it, and there will be no option B.

planish@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 4d (1 reply)

What if instead we... stop that from happening?

explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

You're suggesting we send our own people into meatspace?

hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

I've got 100tb getting filled. I'm ready. Ok in reality its closer to 60 tb after raid and I'm duplicating the important stuff across 2 devices. But that's only about 5 tb. But I'm including lots of PDFs epubs and zims as important stuff. The rest is just media.

mountainRadish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d

I am not sure what your comments mean. I am in tremendous back pain. And didn't sleep For so long, and the fucking humidity.

I want to add more. And vent.

I am old enough and I saw similar actions, and the out come of it.

Slwoly we are forced to use ESIMS, where I live, I have to pay every time I switch phones.

And if I am outside of the country, I can't even switch phones.

I love the idea of esims, but not how it is implemented.

Digiral data produced by me is so.expensive to keep.

It is the digital age, but not a digital .storage age, it is cheaper to print shit.

Optical storage can store terabytes of data, easy to maintain, you can design a device where the hdd store meta data and anyone from your family cam access the data stored on archival optical drives.

It is not built because they want us to use the cloud. Maybe it is greed, control, surveillance.

I just want a simple cartridge that can store my data for decads and technologically that is easily done. There are already archival optical storage sold to data centers, but why not to small businesses or consumers!?!?

It is basically several bluray discs in a cartridge.

The future is dark because of human nature.

And we will do nothing about because look at state of printers. The ink cost more than gold per gram

Look at air purifiers all proprietary filters that are over priced

And yes I know about CR boxes but those furnace filters are only sold in USA.

We are not good creatures

Sorry, I am coherent enough to know I am not coherent, I needed to vent.

diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 3d

Not enough, computers are a limited resource. They should be optional in my opinion, but money machines don't care, so... Here's a text wall I just copied from one of my other replies. It's assuming and talking about a scenario closer societal collapse than 1984, but could be useful either way.

::: spoiler the

I've thought a lot about this before. Updoot because it's a good question.

Basically, if an anarchist society still has access to all of the books and such for long enough, someone somewhere eventually will figure it out. Blowing them glass bulbs is surprisingly uncomplicated once you have metallurgy (tutorial), you don't even have to use mercury for the vacuum if you happen to have a regular factory built compressor nearby (will one from a fridge work? nobody knows, nobody tried), which you can then rebuild later. Build some circuits using wood + nail and metal wires as the PCBs, do random things to see how it reacts and learn from it. Now, electricity itself and metallurgy are fun but out of scope for this explanation.

While that is happening, people can reuse existing TV boxes, routers and such. Someone could do a tiny C program or something to distribute data over the existing computers or something, then advertise it over (real life) bullet-in boards. Ironically, I suggest more distributed solutions (whenever possible/feasible of course) over something like this site, or usenet (R.I.P., now just full of piracy). Non-technical people can get their friends to help with using that. People who where previously sysadmins for ISPs and stuff should then probably allow just port scanning IPv4 to discover other people, and/or the v6 multicast (well, hopefully they can figure that out if they haven't been "docker-washed" or whatever). Now, once someone figured something out, they share it with the comrades and "advertise" it using that solution. Or again, just the real life bullet-in boards.

If there are enough good minds, they can then proceed to basically skip "regular" transistors and diodes (and maybe even real PCBs, although some already do that at home) and go straight for the micro fab. Now, it requires many fields of science. Like first, you need to take a few buckets of sand, containing rocks and shells and shit (literally), then purify it. Like, really really really fucking pure. This is where my personal level of expertise ends but I am sure that eventually some talented people in their own respective fields can meet up and think of something over an afternoon. From what I know (probably wrong), this basically involves melting it in a vacuum, unmelting, melting, unmelting and so on, then from the piece that formed you have to cut off the edges where all of the impure stuff ended up. Now, you need to make patterns on it. This guy figured it out but gave in and started a company. Basically, instead of the template you shine light through, you could substitute an office projector for something really shitty scale and really shitty reliability, but functional. The rest is mostly chemistry... idk I don't speak chemistry.

Now, you can go get someone who speaks transistor logic to implement some really shitty instruction set in hardware. I am sure it wouldn't be too complicated to address map a teletype for some I/O. First few programs can be in ROM right inside the CPU (with redundant bytes of course given how shitty the manufacturing is) for testing, until RAM is figured out.

Oh look, my new chip draws boobs on paper!

Then you, again, go share your findings with the society and find someone who still has a RISC-V design or something downloaded. Now, that might get good enough to run a multi user operating system (this will make sense soon). As much as we hate the C stdlib and all of it's tech debt, I am not sure if anyone will be up for redoing all of that (yet). I have been shilling OpenBSD a lot lately, but for something like this I would imagine NetBSD would be more fitting. Plan 9's stdlib is MUCH better (and there's a functional WIP RISC-V port), but to properly use that you will need pointing and CRT tech so it's kind of a circular loop there, and it's also not as accessible due to being mostly GUI and due to having lots of single letter commands/shortcuts to remember across the included programs. Although whatever you can get your dirty hands on (I am being slightly pessimistic (or realistic, even) and assuming not having access to the internet at this stage, the one and only as we know for being controlled by the big IANA). Fork the OS you got. Most tools have been generally designed around some level of hierarchy, although for source control, git and compatibles (got...) remain best (thanks, Torvalds 2005). The reason is sharing patches over plain text, and more importantly applying them, becomes trivial (if you add a signature/checksum, even more so, as you now know it wasn't corrupted or line converted or anything). Allow anonymous editing like for TCC to minimize said hierarchy (maybe invent a better solution later, like something distributed with proof of work for voting if a patch gets in or not... too bad all of this terminology has been taken by crypto bros). (EDIT: proof of work kind of sucks since capitalist rich kid can get 70 computers) Speaking of TCC, that's a nice ass compiler, should probably use that to avoid hogging the tiny brain you've just built for others. "What others", well...

Here's the part where a multi-user OS starts making sense. As soon as networking starts to network, put it right onto the usual networks with existing repurposed computers from before. Let it be like a pubnix, or "shell provider" if you like calling it that. Let people fuck around, find out ("help I deleted authorized_keys"), maybe even discover backdoors and other bugs. While that is happening, go improve, go make more, go offer some units IRL to especially interested people. Obviously, share the hardware designs, so someone also especially dared could do the office projector thing, while someone else is trying to figure out how to replace the said office projector with something more DIY.

And basically, there you go. Now, this is technically possible under de-facto capitalism; although I am not sure if anywhere on this planet right now exists a community of especially dared, IRL connected and unoccupied enough in time people.

EDIT: figured someone might want to use this text.

            DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
                    Version 2, December 2004

 Copyright (C) 2004 Sam Hocevar <sam@hocevar.net>

 Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified
 copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long
 as the name is changed.

            DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
   TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION

  0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.

:::

Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 57 pts · 4d (14 replies)

So, I can finally point and laugh at the people who were saying that the manifest V3 thing was a non issue because their ad blocker was still working ?

Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 4d (10 replies)

no, because their ad blocker is still working

black0ut@pawb.social · 12 pts · 4d (9 replies)

At a lower efficiency than before, and a lot of stuff now won't get blocked because of the limit in definitions.

Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 3d

yeah, my point is that was never the concern of such people

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -3 pts · 4d (7 replies)

Define "lower efficiency", please.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d (4 replies)

only ads on big sites or ads by big providers are blocked. cookie prompts and other annoyances much less, because there is a great variety of them. data mining and hardware fingerprinting cannot even be thwarted anymore.

sure, if you only care about ads, but not at all about your privacy, it does not mean much to you. personally I would rather see ads (topic based) than give up my privacy, and the complete uBlock Origin is very useful for privacy too.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2d (3 replies)

only ads on big sites or ads by big providers are blocked

This is false.

cookie prompts

Not part of any adblocker. Some, like Ghostery, have a separate mechanism to auto-reject these. I switched from uBO to Ghostery because uBO wasn't doing anything against those.

data mining and hardware fingerprinting cannot even be thwarted anymore.

That's not an adblock feature and there are hundreds of other extensions that handle that, like PrivacyBadger. Ghostery says it also handles trackers, but I haven't verified that.

I would rather see ads (topic based) than give up my privacy, and the complete uBlock Origin is very useful for privacy too.

Look up tools made specifically for it, then. Also: privacy related stuff is not affected by Manifest v3, no?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Not part of any adblocker. Some, like Ghostery, have a separate mechanism to auto-reject these. I switched from uBO to Ghostery because uBO wasn't doing anything against those.

this is false. and instead of just claiming so, here is proof: there are built-in (but disabled by default) blocklists specialized for cookie prompts and such

That's not an adblock feature

and as I said, uBO is not just an ad blocker, so saying xy ad blocker can replace it well is false.

and there are hundreds of other extensions that handle that, like PrivacyBadger

except that not really. Because again, the required browser APIs were removed, and even before that, privacy badger was not so effective

Also: privacy related stuff is not affected by Manifest v3, no?

everything is effected that:

  • needs to block network requests, including loading of certain site scripts
  • depends on an up to date list of things to block
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d

this is false. and instead of just claiming so, here is proof: there are built-in (but disabled by default) blocklists specialized for cookie prompts and such

Let me rephrase then: cookie prompt blocking capabilities are not tied to the Manifest version (clearly, as exemplified by things like Ghostery). uBO could easily switch to Mv3 and still do those things.

and as I said, uBO is not just an ad blocker, so saying xy ad blocker can replace it well is false.

But we're discussing the ad-blocking features, because these are the ones affected by Mv3, no?

All these other features exist and are perfectly fine in other extensions.

except that not really. Because again, the required browser APIs were removed, and even before that, privacy badger was not so effective

Define "not so effective". What's "effectiveness" in this case?

everything is effected that:

  • needs to block network requests, including loading of certain site scripts
  • depends on an up to date list of things to block

OK, but again: what's the difference for the end-user? Does it impact resources utilisation? Website loading times? Reactivity? I don't see a difference in how my uBO browser behaves vs how my Ghostery browser behaves, so what am I losing because of the Mv3 switch?

explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Now I'm curious how anyone could possibly have a non obvious definition of ad blocker efficiency.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2d

Well, considering I'm using a different adblock and I just... Do not see any ads on the web, how do you measure the efficiency of uBlock to be better? Resource consumption?

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -8 pts · 4d (2 replies)

No, because ad blocks work perfectly fine.

I’m using Ghostery on Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and it works perfectly fine, including blocking ads during YouTube videos.

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Out of curiosity, why do you use Ghostery rather than uBlock Origin? It was quite controversial back in the day, but seems to be open source and stuff now. I still don't see any advantage over uBO, though, so I wonder what would move you to use it instead.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 2d

I started using Ghostery because it had a cookies auto-reject mechanism. The ad-blocking stuff came in later, which I didn't even realise, but I installed it first on a new device, did some browsing, noticed there's no ads, and thought "well, good enough".

I do miss the custom HTML-element cutting, though.

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 56 pts · 4d (17 replies)

In unrelated news, Firefox is now the dominant browser and nobody knows why.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 4d (16 replies)

If only that were true. To many people are addicted to google to ever give up chrome/chromium without a series of catastrophic fuckups from google.

tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Unfortunate how momentum like that works. I haven't managed to degoogle myself yet but switching to firefox has created zero issues in my daily usage

muhyb@programming.dev · 9 pts · 4d

Well, it's better if it's a slow process, just like detoxing. Good luck by the way.

exu@feditown.com · 24 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Doesn't help that Mozilla leadership is incompetent and doesn't know what their core audience wants

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 4d

also dependant on GOOGLe for revenue too.

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 4d (11 replies)

Dude, the last thing I use Google for is YouTube and the ads are so much now on my tv and when listening to stories in my car that I’m seriously considering either paying for nebula or just snorting whatever I find under the sink for amusement.

iopq@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d (2 replies)

uBlock origin works on YouTube and works in Firefox for Android

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Yes but I can’t install that on an appleTV or mess with it while driving so there are times I still encounter the bad.

iopq@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d

You already made the choice to use appletv

wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d

I love nebula. Well worth it. Less content, but all but two of my preferred creators are on it (not including Dropout, which is also worth it). For those two, I use Freetube every month or so to check in, but they're just Tiny little science channels that do simple experiments, and I can find the experiments they cite on their university webpages once I have the names of their demos.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (6 replies)

i forget what its called.. pihole? You can set up a small box on your network that can filter out ads on devices that you cant install adblocking on, like on your TV and stuff.

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Pihike adblocker doesn’t work for streams, just static content.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d

Well color me informed.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d (3 replies)

does not work for youtube. for that, you need either a third party youtube app with builtbin blocking, or a patched official app that adds the blocking.

iopq@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Or just open the Firefox website in the browser

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d (1 reply)

I guess you meant the youtube website, but on a TV you won't be able to block youtube ads in the browser either

iopq@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d

I don't use the smart TV functions, I connect a device to the TV to watch stuff on the TV. I certainly don't use any apps to watch YouTube

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 4d

I.e. it is the last usable browser.

Cornpop@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 4d (12 replies)

You would think Apple would take the massive opportunity and bake in proper privacy and ad blocking to safari. Wouldn’t hurt their bottom line.

eurodyne@piefed.world · 21 pts · 4d (3 replies)

They have pretty good privacy and anti-fingerprinting stuff in Safari, but not ad blocking— although they do have an odd tool for “hiding distracting items“ that can work as an ad hoc ad blocker of sorts. On the other hand, ublock origin light works wonderfully for me. Both on macOS Safari and iOS Safari.

Cornpop@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d (1 reply)

I agree it works good for me as well as is, but it sure would be nice to see one baked in and on by default. It’s legitimately a safety thing, I would never turn an old person loose on the web just raw dog lol guaranteed a disaster. Every computer I’ve ever setup for a friend or family member the first thing I do is get Firefox dl on windows and install ublock if it’s a pc, or get get a blocker going on safari if it’s Mac.

eurodyne@piefed.world · 3 pts · 4d

Oh, I agree. It really would be nice if ublock origin light was installed by default.

sparky@lemmy.federate.cc · 1 pts · 3d

Safari has a few excellent ad blockers but unfortunately they aren’t free. But anyway, 1Blocker and Wipr are both good. I use 1Blocker personally and it’s every bit as good as uBlock.

M137@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d (3 replies)

I haven't used MacOS or iOS for years so I'm out of the loop, but I thought Safari on both had pretty good extension support? I know Adguard is still great on both, a friend uses it (and I use it on my Linux and Android devices).

Cornpop@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

It’s not in a bad state at all, I would just like to see adblockers baked straight into safari and on by default.

eurodyne@piefed.world · 3 pts · 4d

I prefer uBlock Origin Lite on Safari. I switched a while back because adblock wasn’t catching ads in YouTube.

WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4d

A few years ago they made some changes to how extensions work (iirc it was supposedly aimed at improving privacy by restricting what extensions can access).

These days I use a paid iOS/macOS specific ad block app. It was like $3 one time purchase and it works great.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · -8 pts · 4d (3 replies)

WebKit doesn't run on Windows so this doesn't matter to them.

Cornpop@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d (2 replies)

You’re missing the point, WebKit not running on windows is exactly why this could be a good move for them. if they can do something better than what’s possible on windows they have a market advantage.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 4d (1 reply)

They'd rather people move to their platform and be locked in their ecosystem.

sonic_veemo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 4d

And this would be a way to make people want to do that.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 46 pts · 4d (1 reply)

I tried browsing the internet without uBlock Origin. I hated it in 5 minutes. I'm not going back to there anytime again. If your browser does not support uBlock Origin, then I am not using it.

Aceofspades@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 3d

Right? I just set up a new phone and had Firefox installed but no extensions yet. Had to search something and the website I ended up on was plastered in ads. Is this how some people actually live? I closed the site and installed uBlock Origin and then went back to the same site. Holy shit, night and day difference.

JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 45 pts · 4d (19 replies)

That will totally lead to websites not supporting or even blocking Firefox. Together with uBlock capitulating against Facebook and all those age registration nonsense, I really am scared about the future of the web.

Squizzy@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 4d (2 replies)

Meh if a site doesnt work on firefox I move on. I dont want all the shit that comes with visiting from chrome. If I cnt buy because of cookies or ads then I wont buy from them.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 3d (1 reply)

first it was the news sites, then the shops and venues, but I didn't speak up because I haven't used them anyway.

then the utiliies companies did that, but I didn't speak up, so far as I can pay the invoices personally it's not a big deal.

then came the government sites, but meh, I can just go in person! sure it takes away many hours but it's not worth the hassle to complain!

and by that time nothing else was left either, because all the other sites dropped support in the meantime, while I did not have the time anymore to notice it.

Squizzy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d

Fair point, I am speaking up though, I wont give them my money.

aidan@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 4d (1 reply)

That will totally lead to websites not supporting or even blocking Firefox.

A lot of websites that really should be testing for this don't work on Firefox.

Absolute worst case Firefox can focus on feature parity(as it already has a lot of), and lie on the UserAgent

explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d

Kids today don't know that's how life started for Firefox. Except the browser it had to copy was closed source.

Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 6 pts · 4d

I jumped to i2p for this reason. I think internet is dead, we will have to have a double identity to avoid brainrotting

cardfire@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 3d

When I did a site that didn't play nice with one of my various Mozilla Gecko/Fusion browser flavors, I try a different one.

When they all are failing, not just WaterFox, I either fire up DuckDuckGo Browser or Safari if on a Mac.

If that were to fail I probably would quit using that service.

My actual Google account isn't allowed on most of my computers anymore, since I DeGoogled, and only have it operating in very sandboxed environments like one Vivaldi browser that lives inside of a VM.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 4d (4 replies)

and reddit is aggressively try to force thier login popup at everytime, it hasnt rolled out completely. but people already reported.

mangobanana@discuss.online · 1 pts · 2d (2 replies)

What are people who were IP banned supposed to do? We can't sign in because we were banned. I hate ai but at least when I have a question I used to ask reddit it give me an answer at least close to what I'm looking for.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d (1 reply)

i notice just today, they are hiding comments until you login. seems like a new development, thats not being reported or posted anywhere. i waited a whole year and a different fork to make a new account, i thinks its safe to wait a long time before using reddit again.

mangobanana@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d

I would have to get a new router which is doable if I absolutely needed to but I'm now getting a phone any time soon unfortunately. But honestly? It was just a time suck. All I did was argue with stupid people. I think I'm better off without it.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

Yep with the login for old.reddit I've officially stopped using it completely. No I will not run their Javascript.

JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d

That's what the user agent string spoofer is for.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Other adblocks still work. I’m using Ghostery on Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and it works perfectly fine, including blocking ads during YouTube videos.

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 3d (4 replies)

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

because google took away the API for network traffic filtering. all that current filtering addons can do is pass a very brief, rarely updated network filter list to the browser, and insert cosmetic tweaks to the pages you visit. they can't look anymore at all details of any network request and decide what do to. except on Firefox, where it has not been taken away.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2d (3 replies)

OK, sure, but what are the actual, real-life consequences of that?

I don't see any ads online. So ad-blocking still works. What doesn't work?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d (2 replies)

OK, sure, but what are the actual, real-life consequences of that?

uBlock Origin and any other effective content blocker had that as its most important weapon, without exaggeration. it has many other techniques for specific circumstances, but preventing to load the ad scripts, and preventing network requests that send back data to the advertising company, are universally a powerful tool.

I don't see any ads online. So ad-blocking still works. What doesn't work?

you don't see them because addons can still insert unlimited cosmetic tweaks. CSS snippets that make specific elements hidden. but the ads are still loaded, consuming network and CPU resources, and the ad framework still collects usage, interaction and device data.

also, the addons now can't regularly update the lists even for what cosmetic tweaks to apply. google has decided it does not allow addons in their addon store that fetch filterlists from the network. this means these addons need to embed the lists in themselves. list updates are released much less frequently, and can have several days delay while google decides whether the updated version contains something malicious or otherwise unacceptable to their policies. compared to that, uBlock Origin on Firefox updates the lists every day by default, with no delay, as it fetches the lists directly from their websites.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d (1 reply)

uBlock Origin and any other effective content blocker had that as its most important weapon, without exaggeration. it has many other techniques for specific circumstances, but preventing to load the ad scripts, and preventing network requests that send back data to the advertising company, are universally a powerful tool.

You're just repeating what you already said.

My question is: since there are (and always have been) other privacy-oriented extensions (e.g. Privacy Badger, Ghostery) and they still work just as they always have, what is the advantage of specifically using uBO with Mv2?

you don’t see them because addons can still insert unlimited cosmetic tweaks. CSS snippets that make specific elements hidden. but the ads are still loaded, consuming network and CPU resources, and the ad framework still collects usage, interaction and device data.

I just loaded up YouTube and didn't see a single call to a known ad server, so this seems to be false.

Also: the CPU usage of loading even a couple MB-worth of ads is negligible compared to the overall resource hungriness of Chromium.

(...) list updates are released much less frequently (...)

I did notice that every now and again YouTube would block me from using it due to detecting the adblocker, but is that an inherent disadvantage of Mv3? And why wouldn't the extension developers then embed the updated filter lists and just release them as extension updates? Does Google limit the frequency of those?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 17h

I just loaded up YouTube and didn't see a single call to a known ad server, so this seems to be false.

of course you didn't. on youtube ads are not served from different domains. have you ever heard about pihole not being able to block youtube ads? that's why. every ad is literally a video uploaded to youtube, it is even possible to watch them as videos, with their own video page.

Also: the CPU usage of loading even a couple MB-worth of ads is negligible compared to the overall resource hungriness of Chromium.

not always the case, differs by ad and ad framework, but the memory savings are still significant. and the difference matters more on weak computers, old computers, battery powered computers and when you are on a metered network.

I did notice that every now and again YouTube would block me from using it due to detecting the adblocker, but is that an inherent disadvantage of Mv3?

I don't know if that's what causes that. but not being able to update filterlists independently means that nobody can react quickly to when a website starts detecting a content blocker, or when ads start reappearing. the needs to wait for the next addon update, which may take multiple days.

And why wouldn't the extension developers then embed the updated filter lists and just release them as extension updates? Does Google limit the frequency of those?

because all addon updates go through a review. the effectiveness of it is largely debatable, but it delays updates significantly.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 3d

Since there are only two major browsers... one of which admittedly wears many disguises.

asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev · 29 pts · 3d

Happy with Librewolf. I can't imagine using my browser everyday if I don't have a good adblocker on it like uBO.

mbirth@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Instead of uBlock Origin rather use AdNauseam. It's basically uBlock Origin, but it "clicks" on the blocked ads so the ad networks still have to pay website owners.

FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 4d

this is hilarious and I will be trying it when I'm home

ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 4d (3 replies)

With all the malware, etc., clicking on any ad is ill advised.

JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 4d (2 replies)

Ehh, its throwing the response away so there would have to be an exploit that just by receiving a response you are hacked. That would be absurdly bad, with or without AdNauseum

LordKitsuna@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Those exact type of issues have existed in the past it's why the FBI uses ad blocking and recommends that it's used for security. There have been several browser vulnerabilities over the years that required absolutely no interaction from the user whatsoever it simply had to load the data.

The whole reason that manifest V3 was such a big deal for unlock origin is that it prevents it from intercepting and stopping the initial connection to The domain in the first place it can only remove it after it's been received and even that was limited. On Firefox everything is still normal it's able to completely stop the browser from ever reaching out in the first place

Fizz@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 4d

Getting "hacked" via clicking a link and discarding the response is so extremely rare. It would require stringing together some of the most prized zero day vulnerabilities. There is just no world where someone would run that kind of attack on a google ad in the current year.

TehWorld@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 4d (6 replies)

Pihole. Doesn’t solve everything, but I’m currently blocking ads from just over a half million domains.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 4d (2 replies)

At this point if you're not already using a DNS filter of some sort, I have no idea how you survive. I use opnsense with zenarmor for ad blocking and it works really well. Had this going for a long time so no need to try pihole yet. I also use uBlock on my browsers for YouTube and the like. And greyjay on my phone. And I use automation on my phone (if not my WiFi, engage wireguard). I don't know how I'd stay sane without it all.

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

uBlock Origin on Firefox works fine.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3d

It does. But those devices you can't control or just need some catchall, a global filter is convenient.

There was also a time you couldn't use Firefox, and by extension uBlock, on iPhone.

frank@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Got a good tutorial or hardware rec for me? I've been meaning to pihole for a while.....

muhyb@programming.dev · 3 pts · 4d

As for tutorial I think Pi-hole's own documentation suffice though if you mean starting from server installation, that's another thing. Definitely not hard but it would be nice if you know Linux to be comfortable in terminal.

As for hardware, this netbook is basically my home server including Pi-hole: https://www.productindetail.com/pn/samsung-n150-plus

FE80@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d

Is there something analogous that can be run with bind?

tramdan@piefed.social · 24 pts · 4d (3 replies)

All the other major browser has blocked it.

muhyb@programming.dev · 30 pts · 4d (2 replies)

Well, almost all others are basically Chrome.

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 4d (1 reply)

That's the joke lol

pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -4 pts · 3d

how do you know?

anarchy79@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 3d

If it goes... I don't know what I'll do.

Go out and touch grass probably.

Get a hobby.

Perfect my molotov recipe.

bullsworth@pawb.social · 21 pts · 3d

Sometimes I think it was a mistake to let the programs we primarily use to view text and images become bloated virtual machines that execute megabytes of arbitrary code with every page load.

borQue@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 3d

donated 20 euro right away. HEROES.

Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 4d (9 replies)

I’ve been using Firefox for ages now so I don’t get it : what’s the point of using Chrome or Edge ?

weeeeum@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 4d

Cause People. Don't. Care

Even if something gathers illegal amounts of data, and has removed all ad blocking extensions, they will just use the default.

atx_aquarian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d

There was a time when Chrome was fresh that it seemed to be a fast, lightweight feeling new alternative. I didn't switch back until I was looking for more control over content presentation options.

THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Solely for when a page only works in Chromium based slop.

BlaestEgnen@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 4d (1 reply)

I've never seen that, which freaking websites only works in Chromium?

I've seen glorious corporate interfaces, only functioning in Microsoft Explorer. But only Chromium?

atx_aquarian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d

Some training content for work (I think it was for an in-browser code security training). And I've run into one or two sites where they required me to try in Chrome for a support issue, just can't remember what it was. And newbs vibe-producing corporate tool proofs of concept as Chrome plugins because it's simpler and doesn't depend on any gatekeepers to deployment. (Fortunately, other gatekeepers still got a chance to say "no" and forced it to become a real web application.)

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 4d

Partner.Microsoft.com. 😡

bilb@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2d

JavaScript and rendering performance as well as USB hardware access if you're doing something like playing a browser based emulator. Pretty niche, but it's a usecase that is much more poorly served by Firefox.

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3d

Once in a blue moon a website is unusable on Firefox so I fire up Vivaldi, but yeah, it is not common.

late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 4d

At least one security researcher says Edge is the most secure option for Windows users.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/security-privacy-advice.html#browser

UnLocoPoco@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 4d (2 replies)

Switched to edge after chrome notified that adblock and other manifest v2 extensions will be blocked. Edge did the same thing recently. Now switched to Firefox. Used to use Firefox way back in the day then left it due to Chrome but now Firefox feels like home. Surprisingly l, it's faster in some cases compared to Chrome. Not a single regret after switching. Adblock stays which is extremely important esp after youtube increased ads

Allero@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Welcome back!

Firefox evolves too, and there's a lot of improvements both in the UI and under the hood. If you used Firefox before 2017, the difference should be especially prominent as they made a huge engine-level leap back then.

UnLocoPoco@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

Yeah! Firefox after a certain time (pre 2017 as mentioned by u) felt slow and sluggish compared to chrome but now in some cases it's better than chrome

Mio@feddit.nu · 13 pts · 3d

We should introduce Manifest V4 that would undo all damage V3 did.

heh@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 3d

Worst part is google could kill Firefox at anytime because they provide a very large amount of Mozilla’s funding.

m3t00@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 3d

donated for a new cubical poster. w/e year that was. was new and better for a while.

TrumpetX@programming.dev · 10 pts · 4d

And that is why I still support Firefox!

DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d

I used to buy Ad Busters magazine at a local bookstore back in 1989. I've been keenly aware of, and against advertising ever since. Any site I'm forced to watch ads on because blocking no longer works, is a site I'll stop visiting.

Phantom_Feline17@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 3d

Nothing comes close to firefox

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d (3 replies)

First, screw Chrome.


BUT. These headlines are clickbait.

UBO has been disabled in Chrome for a long, long time. This is nothing new. Its old news.

Ublock Lite replaced it, and it’s not going away. It’s inferior and problematic and harder on devs, yes, but unfortunately Chrome users didn’t seem notice.

What’s being disabled is a crazy-difficult-to-enable flag that basically zero Chrome users actually used, and that only (a few) downstream Chromium forks use.

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Sorry, I didn't use Chrome, which flag?

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

You have to launch Chrome with this command-line argument:

--disable-features=ExtensionManifestV2Unsupported,ExtensionManifestV2Disabled

And then, I think you have to re-enable it with config flags as well:

chrome://flags/#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-warning         [Disabled]
chrome://flags/#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-disabled        [Disabled]
chrome://flags/#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-unsupported     [Disabled]
chrome://flags/#allow-legacy-mv2-extensions                       [Enabled]

I have not tried this personally, though.

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3d

Thanks for this.

Hotzmon@fedinsfw.app · 7 pts · 3d

Hopefully ladybird finalizes some day, so we have more options than one

umbrella@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 4d

google is slowly killing their competition by a thousand cuts.

kirao47@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d

Zen Browser ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 4d (21 replies)

Guys, just FYI - other adblocks still work. I'm using Ghostery on Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and it works perfectly fine, including blocking ads during YouTube videos.

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it's not like you can't have an ad-blocker anymore.

kalkulat@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 4d (2 replies)

For one thing UBO, if you take the time to (turn on and) learn the advanced user mode, will let you customize interactions site-by-site, and remember your choices for years.EG I regulary use the zapper and eyedropper to get rid of stuff other than ads. It's also easy to turn on/off site-by-site.

The man deserves a medal for the time he's put in literally saving the internet for so many millions.

kahjtheundedicated@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d

Essential for the ongoing battle of trying to keep shorts and recommended the fuck off of my YouTube subscription feed.

It’s a subscription feed. Ffs, just show me the most recent videos from the creators I’m subscribed to, in chronological order of release. The home page is for recommended videos

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2d

Eye-dropper and HTML cuts are not affected by Manifest v3, no?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 3d

ublock has a lite version on chrome browsers that still works. but normal ublock is much better. ubo lite and other blockers are hiding the ads, but their lists can't be updated so quickly.

but also, ublock origin is not just an ad blocker. it is a wide range content blocker, also efficient at blocking trackers and limiting fingerprinting. the browser API limitations that make it not work on chrome also means that it can't do all that anymore, and it is really just a cosmetic ad blocker

Jiral@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't uBlock the most capable adblock, with others coming close but not reaching it?

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Is it? I don't know. I know it's the most recommended one, but I've tried uBlock, AdGuard and now I'm using Ghostery, and I honestly don't see a difference.

Jiral@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d (1 reply)

You see it in the edge cases I presume, how fast it reacts to Youtube nonsense and such. It is blocked by Google for a reason I would think.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1d

You see it in the edge cases I presume, how fast it reacts to Youtube nonsense and such

Reacting to YT's attempts to block the ad-blockers faster is a good advantage, but it's not something inherent in the Manifest version, is it?

It is blocked by Google for a reason I would think.

Well, yes, the reason being: it didn't switch to Manifest v3. Just like AdNauseam. BTW - both can still be installed, you just need to manually pull the .zip file and import it.

bless@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 3d (6 replies)

Even uBO works, but it's cut down from what it once was

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 2d

It still blocks ads, what else does it need?

kalpol@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d

Also things like pfblocker/pihole. Pfblocker has made it shocking to see someone else use the Internet.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

It no longer works because of how it's programmed. Ghostery must use a different method of blocking ads which works with Manifest v3.

Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 4d

Of course they will, it's their main selling point.

Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2d

It's not ready yet but there's the ladybird project that has a lot of promise. I appreciate FF a lot but their code base is a mess, they need a modern rewrite of their browser engine. That's why we're getting all these chromium based browsers, it's just a better base to build off of.

Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d

That's the only reason, I use it. And I knew Firefox would be the only one remaining when I switched to it the very moment, Chromium stopped supporting uBlock Origin.

victorz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d

Welcome, ye hordes!

forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 3d

Vivaldi phases it out? I haven't been off mobile in a while so I didn't know that was planned. Waterfox still does ok.

selfmate@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 3d

Vanadium still blocks ads/malware successfully. Probably brave as well (I don't have it installed, I can't verify it myself)

Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Still works just fine on Vivaldi. Only problem is every few updates they break it and it needs to be reinstalled. I've lost a bit of faith in Vivaldi for doing this. It's one thing if they can't code around the chromium core to allow it, but since it still works and the updates are just disabling it I think that's pretty dirty.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d

Not for long. The patch that removes support is coming to Vivaldi soon.

The updates aren’t just disabling it anymore, they’re stripping the path out entirely, so it would be difficult to maintain support.

MSids@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d

Unfortunately my work machine has an ARM Snapdragon Elite (it’s way better than it has any business being) and the ARM version of Firefox does not yet seem to play well with Yubikey certificates. I tried every which way of ARM and x86-64 Yubikey certificate drivers but none resolved my issues. I believe FIDO2 works, but some of our applications still require certificate authentication.

Ripley_Tripley@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 3d

For everyone using Firefox, are you using it with microG or some type of sandbox? Even when going private, you can't download it unless you have Google Play services on mobile. Ive tried to see if it works without google and unfortunately it dosent. If that's the case for mobile, then technically we really shouldn't be using it either.

moopet@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 3d

Didn't that happen like a year ago?

nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 4d

Less incentive to fight it for website developers.

gdtf@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 3d

Did opera stop supporting it?

Redacted@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 3d

Does opera not support ublock?

PangurBan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d

Inherently built into a few different browsers. I think Helium is one of them?

mrsilkworm@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d

Except Firefox and its forks, are there any other browsers that are not chromium based?

morto@piefed.social · 2 pts · 4d

Some good news about firefox. Phew!

ironpangolin29@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d

Every boardroom has their price.

Someday.

Archimedes@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d

I think the idea is to stop people from browsing and make them rely on ai

VirtuePacket@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2d

https://vger.to/lemmy.zip/comment/28113454

Don't get me wrong. We do indeed live in a dystopia. But Mv3 ad blockers seem to be effective--for now at least.

Ibraheem@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2d

Wow

binom@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d

does anyone happen to know if helium browser will keep supporting mv2/ublock origin beyond the removal of mv2 from chromium?

lithiumground@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d

Use librewolf . I use librewolf and Brave browser if needed .

neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Help us, Ladybird devs. You're our only hope.

RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 4d (2 replies)

When is it comming?

neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 4d (1 reply)

They're hoping to have an alpha release this year on limited platforms.

I've been following the dev progress. As it turns out, making a browser is not easy.

LucidNightmare@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 4d

Watched the recent update on it. Definitely not easy.

Ichiro_kun@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d

Helium browser supports it too..

Pamasich@kbin.earth · -1 pts · 2d

Why do people in these threads always act like uBlock is the only adblocker out there? It's true that MV3 nerfed adblockers in general, but not nearly as much as what I've heard about uBlock Lite. The one I've always been using hasn't really changed functionally at all from what I can tell.

Like, I see some people act like Chromium just doesn't have usable adblockers at all anymore. That's just not true.

KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · -2 pts · 4d

unlock origin lite still works great for me

Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 4d (11 replies)

Brave, Ungoogled Chromium, and Helium all still support uBlock Origin.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 4d (5 replies)

This is not true.

The flag that UnGoogled Chromium used to support it is going away, and AFAIK there is no fix. Helium inherited the same patch from UnGoogled Chromium.

They will both lose support. See their relevant GitHub issues.

Brave uses a custom, integrated adblocking engine; it technically doesn’t need UBO.

Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 13 pts · 4d (2 replies)

The problem with Brave is the homophobic CEO which, at least for me, is a big no

wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Jfc, first they had like some coin miner, then dubious analytics or settings or something, now the head dude is a bigot? It's like an as-seen-on-TV ad: "but wait, there's more!"

Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 4 pts · 4d

"but wait, there's more!"

Unironically, yes

At issue was Eich’s $1,000 donation in 2008 to the campaign to pass California’s Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment that outlawed same-sex marriages.

https://apnews.com/general-news-d329c440023842998be70d80b69d7f46

Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 4d (1 reply)

I said these browsers currently allow installing MV2 extensions; I didn't predict about the future. Ok, ungoogled chromium will remove the flag in the future, and it can also affect helium. But it's in the future; currently that flag is still there.

Brave is sued for its shady practices, ok! But we are talking about the installation of Manifest V2 extensions in the Chromium-based browsers, which the title explicitly says Firefox is the only browser that now allows you to install ublock origin, which is misleading. Brave still supports ublock origin, no matter if someone hates the browser or someone found it self-hosted.

So what do you guys find bad about me mentioning Brave? Also please mention a word: I'm saying these browsers are going to support MV2 extensions (ublock origin) forever.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

...Okay. Technically, that's true, going by strict semantics.

But the Helium and Ungoogled Chromium are going to lose MV2, soon. I feel like "still supports uBlock Origin" doesn't sufficiently convey that to Lemmy commenters trying to read the situation. That's all I meant, though I was perhaps imprecise with my words.

In other words, practically, if a users want to use UBO, they should know these browsers will not support that in the near future even if, strictly speaking, they support it right this second.


I believe this means Brave will lose support too, unless they intend to extensively modify Chromium to maintain compatibility themselves (which would be odd, as Brave doesn't really need UBO since it has its own adblocking engine?)

irish_link@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 4d (2 replies)

It’s Brave if you to mention the browser Brave here.

Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 4d

It's not here, dude. It's inside your mind.

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 4d

Silly, but brave 🤷🏻

recursivethinking@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Its still working in Vivaldi alo. Had to re-enable it tho, it's "unsupported" but working.

chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

It won't for long. Upstream chromium removed it and the browsers based on the code are not going to work to continue patching it in.

green_link@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 2d

but brave still does...it has special support for manifest v2 extensions that are no longer supported in Chromium browsers.

settings -> extensions->Manifest V2 extensions

and just enable the extensions you want like ublock origin.

PangurBan@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 2d

I use Helium which is a degoogled chromium? What does this mean for me?

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 3d

but ublock as given up on facebook blocking in the future, and reddit's forced app/login is trying to bypass , will bypass ublock eventually

liuther9@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Just use dns block

Beyonder_Extreme@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d

Can't block video ads and redirects.

hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 4d (1 reply)
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 4d

Brave is hot trash.

spacegoat@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 3d

I don't understand. It's still working for me on an up-to-date Brave.

im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · -6 pts · 3d

Sorry to be a debbie downer but I have grave concerns about the long term viability of firefox.

Sites obviously don't test against ff anymore with more and more bugs appearing in more and more sites.

I have to daily drive both ungoogled-chromium and librewolf and sadly, the number of things I need to do in chromium is increasing week by week.

H1AA6329S@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 3d

A misleading title shilling for Firefox. Brave has full support and it won't even remove it nor does it actually need it as it has its own in-house fully hard coded adblock that doesn't need Google services whatsoever.

jama211@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 3d

uBlock origin lite still works fine and is good enough for me and most others

Killmeister@lemmus.org · -8 pts · 3d

I use brave. Built in youtube modifier and adblockers

djsiete@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 3d
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Untamed_Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -10 pts · 4d (1 reply)

There are literally only 2 mayor browsers it's not that surprising. And isn't firefox founded partially by google too? It's all the same and then there is ladybird that is in development and is using AI for it or something?? Idk.

50MYT@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d

If I remember correctly, google pays Mozilla a significant percent of their Total income to have google as the default search ) home page?

Google does it so they also satisfy the anti competition rules as well, if Mozilla doesn't get funded then they have monopoly and have to split it off.

That's literally as far as the agreement goes.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Other browsers have native ad-block and you don't need add-ons.

Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d

Ad blocking is too important to depend on a browser vendor for it.
uBlock Origin kept updating basically just-in-time in the great YouTube ad war. No browser vendor can or even just tries to match that level of dedication and quality. Ad blocking needs to be pluggable - also because of SponsorBlock which is essential for YouTube.

Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 5 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Which ones? I only know Brave but i'd like to avoid it

Untamed_Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Aside from the ones that install ublock by default that they are many I think waterfox got it's own adblock now. idk

Untamed_Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3d

I am half sure it's treated as an extension tho.

trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 4d

Funnily enough, Firefox basically has it, with its Tracking Protection. The vast majority of ads use tracking, so get blocked by it.