Donald Trump's bruising return to the White House has sent many longtime foreign allies scrambling to get their distance, and according to a new piece from The Atlantic, that distance will last long after Trump is gone.
Trump's second term as president has been marked by notable and widespread disrespect toward nations once seen as close U.S. allies. Between his attempts to level massive tariffs against nearly every nation in the world and his frequent breaches of diplomatic norms, Trump has created a hostile global environment in which allies no longer feel safe trusting in the stability of the U.S.
In a new piece for The Atlantic on Tuesday, staff writer Vivian Salama argued that this new dynamic, in which the nations of the world are working to establish a safe distance from the U.S., is bound to become the new normal for years to come, even after Trump leaves office and is potentially replaced by a more traditional, dependable administration.
Foreign officials say Trump has sent US allies running — and it’s permanent
https://www.alternet.org/trump-foreign-allies-permanent-distance/
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slickgoat@lemmy.world · 162 pts · 1d
It's like this. No shade to Americans, but you guys can do this shit in any four year period. You elected him TWICE.
No hard feelings, but you're on your own.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 1d
IDK where you are typing this from, but far-right populism is surging in the EU and some other parts of the world.
In other words, you aren't wrong, but take the situation more as a warning for yourself. Take a hard look in your own back yard, with wide eyes.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
I'm in Australia, and yes, far right idiocy happens here too. But in this country our electoral system keeps the wackos contained. We have compulsory preferential voting. Elections here are decided by the middle, not the extremities.
zuckey78@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 1d
That’s what we thought too…
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
Our two electoral systems couldn't be more different. For a start in ours the politicians aren't allowed to draw electoral boundaries.
zuckey78@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 1d
We all thought our constitution had some pretty good checks and balances too. But boy…money talks
calcopiritus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
No constitution can protect you from voting for an absolute buffoon.
The constitution is a piece of paper. It's the ones in power that enforce it, and you gave all the power to a clown.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
In our case, it's not the constitution. It's a result of long running electoral reform. in essence, political parties nor politicians can fuck with the electoral system nor boundaries. It's run by an independent commission. Parties are welcome to make a submission suggesting change, evenake a case for change, but if it doesn't match the set criteria, they get shut down. Unlike your states who can redraw boundaries to pick their voters.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 14h
Those mostly turned out to just be gentleman’s agreements. As an Americsn, it seems Australia and other countries may have actually put these things into laws with consequences. Sounds nice
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
That's a positive, but IMO the fundamental issue is engagement-driven social media stoking extremist populism. If voters radicalize, especially in one direction, no voting system will protect you from that.
We... well, I was gonna was we realized it too late in the US, but we never really figured it out, and now we never will.
You folks need to neuter US social media as fast as you can. Cut the undersea cables, if you have to.
LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 1d
For now, but far right ideology shouldn’t be contained, it should be quashed. The US is a great example of what happens when it isn’t.
Also, the rise in far right ideologies across multiple countries should be a global concern. If one country under fascist control can cause significant damage to Australia imagine the effect of 4 or 5 scattered across the world.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1h
does it ? As an Australian i'd call this take woefully misguided. We elect an endless litany of wackos and nut jobs.
For example, many pundits are suggesting an ONP electoral win and we have our wackos in Government including the LNP.
Remember those asshats holding a lump of coal and laughing about the outcome for the Pacific Islands? we elected one of them as Prime Minister, the same one that then shit in France's pocket, like Trump is doing to his "friends"
Our talk on immigration is as tough as the US BUT its across ALP, LNO and ONP so most voters are obviously Ok with it, we place refugees in off shore detention centres, many commiting suicide, like the much maligned Alligator Alcatraz in the US. The ALP has literally said they are going to hunt down visa overstayers, like ICE do in the US now. Our phones can be searched anywhere, Americans are in horror about phone searched at the border that's just a small sample.
the only difference is the size of the stage, ours is insignificant in the world and no one pays any attention, (including apparently Australians) to our endless hate and stupidity.
As to our electoral system, calling bullshit on that, the US has primaries where they vote on candidates and have some say, we have precisely zero choice in that respect. The US has the state base electoral college, that supposed to be there stop big states bullying smaller states by having more representatives ie more people = more votes (aka democracy), we have something similar with our senate having the same number of senators for each state, Tassie (with less population then the the Gold Coast) having the same number of senators as NSW. They do have issues over donor contributions (PACs etc) but so do we, who do you think is bank rolling the ONP? The Greens have long warned of this (and climate change) and been ignored by voters.
We are not good, we're a petro state hell bent on destroying the planet with our greed and most everything we do makes Australia and the world a worse place.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
Can'thappen here, also what we thought.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 1d
Thanks for the tip, but get your own house in order before lecturing everyone else. To date, we are good.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 18h
This is dangerous thinking. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Complacency and overconfidence is precisely how fascism rises, historically.
Don't be proud, be afraid. Look at the tire fires overseas as motivation to squash the embers in Australia now. Your election system alone will not protect you from it.
axh@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 19h
The fact that the rest of the world isn't perfect, doesn't change the fact that the rule of law in the USA is completely dead and presidents can now do whatever they want.
You are right about the far-right in the EU, but
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 17h
Why is the typical American response always "No U!" ?
The problem is not that Republicans are far-right. Nowhere in the article does it say former allies are distancing themselves because of the far-right in America. The problem is the actions of the administration: a single person constantly threatening allies, tearing up agreements from previous administrations just because, tearing up agreements from his own administration just because, and zero resistance from the other branches of government or the citizens for doing so.
Former allies are distancing themselves because the word of the US means absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter what they promise, the US has shown no deal or agreement will ever be honored, and there are no mechanisms in place to make sure previous agreements are honored. Why would anyone make a deal with someone who will ignore it the next day?
It's typical American learned helplessness: "The far right exists everywhere in the world so there's nothing we can do about it."
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16h
That is precisely the opposite of what I meant.
Ideology is what gives Trump the power to do what he wants, what put him there, what enables him and stokes him. He is a symptom.
I am arguing the exact opposite; not that there is nothing that can be done, but that other countries should take the exact opposite approach the US took and take immediate, drastic action before it’s too late.
I did not mean to drag specific US politics into this at all, but to use it as an example when one assumes their country is on a better trajectory than it actually is. The EU is not in a good place, Australia and Canada are not on good trajectories, and if they don’t act as if they are one election away from populist fascism, other countries will find themselves with leaders trashing alliances, too.
In other words:
This article ^ could be your future.
If you’re confident your voter base is “above that,” you should take a closer look.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 13h
Which is part of my issue. The article is specifically about US politics, and you don't want to talk about US politics, instead you go on a tangent about other countries.
A contributing factor to the issues in the US is that Americans seem to be unable to stay on topic about anything long enough to take action. Trump does something that would have ended the political career of any other president, but before anything is done about it you're taking about the next thing, and then the next thing, and the first thing is already forgotten.
Here we are talking about the impact of the actions the US government is currently taking, and Americans start taking about how other countries might start doing it in the future. On another article that was about a far right party in another country I saw Americans talking about "all the people who told us to take action..." Making it about America. It's never about the actual topic.
Yes, I realize it's "not all Americans", but it is "always an American". And I don't mean when it happens it's an America doing it, I mean every time an article is posted about the shitstorm happening in the US there is always an American pointing out that the far right exist elsewhere. It gets so fucking old and it isn't helpful. People know. Pointing out the nightmare happening in the US does not mean people are unaware of the far right in their own countries, and talking about what is happening in the US is more helpful to encourage people to prevent it happening in their own countries because they can see where it leads.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h
I was responding to this comment:
I see this “it’s not the same here” attitude a lot, because it is. I think it’s dangerous to write it off as “America did this to themselves,” like the same thing isn’t in progress all over the globe.
I’m specifically not trying to belittle other places, or look down upon them; I have no leg to stand on. I am trying to WARN them to not get comfortable. I am yelling “this exact same shit is cooking in Canada, and Australia, the EU, all over the world, so burn it out with fire while you can.”
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 6 pts · 1d
You’re right, we need a lot of reform.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
You're not wrong to feel that way and you're not wrong that it is a common opinion, specifically among Europeans. That said, I don't think your politicians are nearly principled enough to stick to that stance. Some of them say it now because people want to hear it but the moment it becomes less awkward to do so they'll go back to relying on America for all sorts of things that you don't want them to. Hell, many of them won't even make an attempt to distance themselves now, or worse, actively praise many of Trump's actions.
The ones that make a fuss now won't go back because of American exceptionalism but because it is economically in their interest to do so in a myriad of ways. This is why Europe has been content to rely on American military assets for so many decades. It was never a particularly good idea but it was economically expedient. The same is true of American media, tech companies, and financial institutions. It's easier to let someone else have a bit of control in order to simplify things and politicians love simple sounding solutions.
Maybe I'm wrong and this is the moment that the EU usurps the US for good. That's probably the best case outcome. I just don't think there's enough agreement between European nations on what needs to happen to get to that point in order for it to become a reality.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
There is a great deal in what you say that I heartily agree with, and a few things that I don't. I'm not European, although I do visit annually, so I have no horse in that race.
I would say that you repeat a tired American trope that has been outdated for at least 35 years now. That Europe gets more out of the NATO than America does.
The US gets a great deal out of NATO, arguably all lot more than Europe gets. For a start, the US has 31 permamant military bases across Europe and free access to another 19 hosted by member countries. It doesn't really need to ask permission on how it operates on any of them. It also maintains another 275 smaller units and installations for free. This is not a one-way deal for Europe. For the US, a country that insists on projecting power to influence national policy objectives, the ability to operate like this is incredible. Does it pay rent? No. Does it seek agreement with the host country? No. It bombs first and informs later.
Secondly, wherever possible it forces US military hardware onto European countries by way of 'interoperability'. Those F35s provide jobs for US workers. Same with parts, same bombs and weapon systems. All that hard cash flows back to the US. There is a reason why US administrations bitch and moan about Europe not pulling it's weight on NATO but still won't pull out of the region. It's because the US gets a massive indirect benefit from the deal.
But what does Europe get in return? It's supposed to be security guarantees. But the only country that has triggered NATO's Article Five has been the US following 9/11. Hundreds of Europeans died in defence of what happened in far-off New York. Not that this has been appreciated by Trump.
Lastly, the biggest threat to Europe is Putin. And what has been the US response? Not great. All of Europe has been watching and wondering has all this been worth it. The one reason Europe has been tolerating America taking over much of its foreign policy is for a security trade-off. Now it seems the arrangement is worthless.
I'm not European, but I'm watching events. Nothing dramatic will happen in the short term. Spain cancelled it's F35 contract. European countries have universally increased their defence budgets, not from US pressure, but from the realisation that security is unlikely to arrive from America. Countries have failed to support the US openly. First time since WW2. The whole world turned their back on the stupid Iran war. Things have changed irrevocably. However, they will only visibly change over time. You guys are sleepwalking into isolation.
Let's revisit the subject in 10 years and see how things have turned out?
krashmo@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I appreciate your response both in quality and in tone. Thanks for that.
To be clear, I never meant to imply that the US gets nothing out of NATO. It is clear that we do for the reasons you mentioned and countless others. I was simply saying, in much the same way you did, that EU nations allowed that situation to exist because spending less on defense was good for them domestically in an economic sense. It was not a good decision beyond the short term from a security perspective unless the US could be guaranteed to be a righteous actor forever and that is obviously not something that can ever be guaranteed. Treaties and alliances are great. Dependence is not.
It is true that some countries have taken action to distance themselves from the US under Trump. It is also true that many of the citizens of the EU want their governments to take more action on that front. As an American, I would rather the EU lead the world in most respects as I trust most of their governmental systems to represent their people better than ours does.
Still, money rules the world and the US has a lot of it. Greed is a powerful motivator and I would bet that it is going to entice a lot of European politicians to make unpopular deals with the US and it's corporate representatives under the next administration. Despite the EU as a whole better representing it's people there are still too many instances of their governments manipulating or outright ignoring popular sentiments for me to believe that something like sidelining the US is within the realm of possibility, even if most of their citizens wanted to do so.
As a last note I would add that I believe eliminating reliance on the US is something the EU absolutely should do as much as possible. It is the only reasonable answer to the insanity taking place in our government. Nothing I've said should discourage action towards that goal. I'm just trying to be realistic about how I see that playing out.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Great reply!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
this is exactly what putin wants, plus hes pretty much bankrolling most of eus far right gonvernments, to this end. needs a divisive west, so he cant take over former soviet bloc with much resistance.
As long as china, india doesnt get in his way, and they dont seem to mind that russia is a useful tool for them.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 12h
They re-elect him every day they sit on their asses and allow MAGA to feel safe in public. PLENTY of shade.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 10h
It's not even Trump, they gave him the Congress and Senate too. They REALLY went all in on the Republicans for some fucked up reason.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 101 pts · 1d
Are there people who still don't know this or are just realizing this?
Jhex@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 1d
Unfortunately, yes there are.
I talked to an idiot the other day who said Carney only rejected a trade deal with the USA to "stay in power"... they apparently are not aware Carney already has a majority, is very popular ATM and does not have to face an election for some 3 years.
Some people are just too dumb to realize when they are wrong and will die on their chosen dumbass hill
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 25 pts · 1d
I do have to wonder about their logic. If rejecting a trump deal kept him in power, one would conclude that a majority of Canadians agree that we should not make that deal, or a majority of his base.
So even in their own dumbass world their explanation still makes no sense
Jhex@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
well let me explain, you start assuming they have any logic… you just went down the rabbit hole from there
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1d
Carney rejected a Trump deal because Canada is a democracy. This is terrible!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1d
thats definition of a low information voter. conservatives are almost always low info, they voted for R, but never follow up the policies, just that did vote. thats how they see it as a team sport.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 1d
Yes, the people that dont follow the news, poltics at all, and the republicans that dont follow anything after they voted.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 3 pts · 1d
It happens more slowly than you might think.
Here in Australia the US has been our major ally since WWII and is generally seen as the enforcer holding off Chinese expansion in our region.
When the tariffs were announced ours were minimal and largely to our benefit anyway.
The general feeling was, the Americans are having a bad day, but we can weather that to maintain our long term relationship.
We have an agreement with the UK and US to build nuclear submarines, which would be helpful in maintaining control in south east Asia. This is a long term strategy with many billions involved, likely to stimulate entire regions in Australia. However, the arrangement is looking very unappealing presently and no one actually believes the US will deliver on their end.
I think the summary is, everyone knows that Trump is not a reliable partner but he will be dead soon, and these relationships run pretty deep.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 12h
But you can't rely on the US being a reliable partner at all then. In 4 years the citizens could just vote in someone just as unreliable as Trump who will throw away previous agreements on a whim. They've already done it twice, and it's clear the US has no mechanism in place to make sure it holds to previous agreements.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 1 pts · 10h
Perhaps another way to say the same thing ... other sane governments are reliable partners, and it's worth upholding the agreements we have made for the moment, while we make other plans.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
People voted for Brexit, people voted for AFD, people voted for LePen, people voted for Meloni. Y'all tend to forget that this isn't only an American problem.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 1d
You can't be this dense though
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 1d
How am I being dense?
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Well, for one, you replied to yourself and not to the person who replied to you.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 23h
Oh, no. A mistake!
Answer the fucking question, jackass.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 1d
Trump is the symptom not the cause.
If anything Trump is doing the world a favour by dropping the pretence that the US is a good global citizen that just happens to have hundreds of military bases worldwide, an infinite money hack and nukes.
The US is a brutal imperialist power that genocides or destroys anyone who gets in its way. People with sense have known this since before Vietnam but the narrative pushers are finally high and dry.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
He's both
speckofrust@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 6h
A thousand upvotes
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 1d
This is what Putin wants to see. Chaos in the West.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Chaos in the West is a net positive for pretty much everyone else that is subjugated by it. I don't even know if Putin is necessarily for it, even if aspects of it are certainly beneficial to his reign, but I can tell you everyone with a brain in the global South cheers whenever the empire shoots itself in the foot. And no, it's not because of Putin, it's because the culture itself is based around might makes right and feeding on others... but if others can fight against it, then it'll have to feed on itself.
mrbutterscotch@feddit.org · 0 pts · 9h
Putin absolutely is for Chaos in the 'West', whatever that even means.
Russian strategy has for decades been to support extreme parties on every end of the societal spectrum within European countries and the US. For example Russia was/is a major supporter of the german right wing afd and the BSW, a fringe left wing party.
And the rise of fascism in the West is a net positive for everyone? Seriously?
And talking about 'Western' Culture is ridiculous anyway, it's like talking about 'asian' culture.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
America is on Putin's side, though. When America is weakened, so is Putin.
guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 13h
While the United States is currently on Vladimir Putin's side, Vladimir Putin has never been on the United States'.
Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 1d
Puton is busy hiding from zelensky, nobody's scared of putin no more buddy. Can't use that boogeyman anymore.
wampus@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 1d
It's what the Trump's want to see too, families tend to have similar values -- and Jr just married a Russian plant from Putin's circle, wedding paid for by her dear russian oligarch buddy. It's also what the majority of Americans want to see, based on how they voted.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14h
Only like 1/5th of Americans voted for Trump. The problem is more that people stayed home. It’s disillusionment with the system and a lot of voter suppression, MAGA isn’t actually that popular. Which makes the Democratic loss even more embarrassing
wampus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 12h
If I lived in an apartment that had rats in my unit, and I was too lethargic / apathetic to deal with it -- and then those rats started infesting / destroying all the other apartment units in the building -- it'd be my fault shits getting rat'd, and there's no amount of "nah, not my fault, I didn't elect the rodents, I didn't formally invite them in, I didn't even bother to get out of bed" that would realistically make my neighbours go "oh, ok then, continue on with your rat infested shit hole lifestyle".
They'd rightly find ways to fine the fuck out of me / kick me out of the building.
America has a whole lot of very wealthy people, people who claim to be progressives and to care about things like human rights -- who basically lied/didn't really care about those topics, and preferred to just kick back on things like luxury yachts while preaching on about how no one takes climate change seriously. But even more, America IS a democratic system. In other regions of the world, where people live under dictatorships, like in Iran, North Korea, parts of China, Russia, etc -- you can make a fairly clear differentiation between their "people" and their "government". The reason for that is that the people don't have a "representative" democracy/government, where they've gotten a chance to vote for who runs the country. Americans DID have that choice, and opted for Trump - be it through apathy or idiocy. They collectively decided, through a representative democratic process, to have a convicted fraudster, rapist, and alleged child molester, diaper shitting orange octagenarian be their representative / leader. Twice.
stoly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Putin would have benefited had he never attacked Ukraine. Now he’s impotent.
Kyrias@lemmy.ca · 48 pts · 1d
No Trump. Americans.
The first term was forgivable as long as they learned from it. Instead they celebrated it and cried out for more.
CalemitousVariantK@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1d
It's happening in Germany. It's happening in France. It's happening in Australia and Canada and Italy and Japan and pretty much everywhere. Somehow, in spite of a proven record of failure and catastrophic consequences, right wing ideology continues to grow like a cancer across the globe.
The US got to this point with help from foreign billionaires, as well as domestic ones. Elon Musk, Rupert Murdoch, Sundar Pichai... The grift is global and putting your vitriol toward those who might take your side will leave you friendless when it happens to you where you live.
People gave up instead of showing up and that was a costly mistake.
Many people mean well, even if they live in bad places. Have the grace to encourage them to keep resisting, even if that resistance is as small as protest or even voting, for your own sake.
yakko@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 1d
Try to take hybrid warfare into account. Not for nothing was Putin paying buildings full of trolls to poison internet culture for years and years. They couldn't automate it with an LLM back then.
metermatic26@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
The tech bros will be more than happy to help him automate some of that work. You know, to promote ‘free speech’.
yakko@feddit.uk · 12 pts · 1d
No war but class war - hating the people of any country is bullshit.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Need to caveat this that not all Americans. The country is incredibly polarized and pissed off at itself from within. It's a hot cesspool mess inside and there are many who sympathize with the rest of the world and abhor the cancer within.
froh42@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 1d
It's totally irrelevant if it's all USians or just a few of them. The US is a inherently unstable country, winner takes it all. When people elect a less idiotic president, it will just take a few years until the next Trump-Level guy wins again.
Also the republican presidents I experienced in my life got more unhinged every cycle, Regan, old Bush, young Bush, Trump. Who will be next one? One day there will be another Republican president.
The only way out would be a fundamental refactoring to not be a failing democracy.
Pigs will fly through a freezing hell before that happens. So the only rational thing is to understand the empire fell, the King has no clothes and keep a wide berth around the US in all future dealings.
Cricket@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 1d
Yes. Just look at two prominent, potential Republican presidential candidates for the next few decades: dark lord and antichrist lecturer Peter Thiel's boy JD Vance and unhinged, rabid anti-communist Marco Rubio. There are probably others of a similar caliber, but I try to forget.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Yeah, the system is rotten and appears to be reaching its experimental conclusion. Technofeudal Christofascism wants so badly to hammer the final nail in the coffin of so-called American democracy (which was always a facade for corposlavery...or just straight up slavery).
If the country ever actually gave a shit about true democracy, ranked preference voting and much more representative chambers would have existed. But it's only ever been about wealth and classism, it's just now the facade has been completely torn off to expose the rot for everyone to smell.
Sordid_Seraphim@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 15h
Except it becomes relevant when the few are being told they are the reason why their country is the way it is.
It's a brush that paints both aggressors and actual victims in the same light and while I can accept people calling the US a failing nation but I feel a deep resentment towards people who just say "Americans are the problem."
Same people are also the first to tell me I need to do something that's liable to get me killed or worse.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1d
And how does "not all Americans" limit the damage to the rest of us?
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Might provide a little hope that Americans from within are actually more on your side than his.
Look, I'm sorry for all this stupid horrible shit happening because of the absolutely asinine decisions being made by fascist hopefuls elected by arrogant and ignorant sociopaths. My hate for today's reality runs as deep as yours, but it gets to be accompanied by its best friend, shame, as well.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
You are not at fault. But nothing good will come from all this and it is what it is.
Kyrias@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 1d
Everyone ignoring that he still has a 40% approval rating. That's 137m people who like what's going on.
Let's just lock the door and wait for the dumpster fire to burn itself out.
xtr0n@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 1d
Recent polls have his approval down to 29%. Which is still way too high, but when people can’t heat their homes this winter, I expect those numbers to drop even further.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
You going by fox new polls? Not sure how else you'd find an approval rating that high.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, a lot of people are still in love with him. They're brainwashed lead-poisoned idiots and fascism lovers. Makes me wish it were easier to emigrate out of the dumpster fire.
binux@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1d
I can’t stand this argument. It’s the exact same logic as blurting out “not all men” when women rightfully express how they should be cautious when interacting with them in certain contexts.
Sure, not all Americans. That just doesn’t matter in the slightest when there’s a large enough chunk of them to get the world in the mess it is now. If they get their shit together maybe people will stop generalizing as a means of precaution for the sake of sparing headaches. The problem is with them as a whole, not the people understandably steering clear.
Sordid_Seraphim@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 14h
Not at all comparible in the least because in this context "men" in this context are also victimizing other men. This is the equivalent of other men ALSO having to be cautious when interacting with other men.
In making this comparison you are just generalizing all Americans and basically saying they get what's coming to them regardless of whether they put the clown in power or they are in fact victims of said clown. All the generalizing does is socially lock them in with the room with their abuser.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 6 pts · 1d
A clear majority of voting Americans either voted for Trump or didn't vote because they didn't care if he won. Its not just one idiot.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
A clear majority is not necessarily everyone. 51% constitutes a clear majority.
Everyone under 18 was ineligible to vote and their opinions were immaterial. Convicted felons can also have their voting
rightprivilege revoked.So, just realize a lot of people are pissed and suffering from within, too.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 8 pts · 1d
49.8% of people who voted, and ~65% of voters voted.
So about 32% of all voters voted for Trump, and 35% did not care enough to stop him.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Yeah, and fuck those 35% pieces of shit.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
As your historical enemy how many presidents do I have to go back before it becomes all Americans?
The good ones fled after the revolutionary war.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
If only there were some way to choose where to be born. Wasn't given much of an opportunity to flee after the revolutionary war.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 1d
I apologize for your parents being terrible people. At what point are you able to renounce your citizenship?
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Yes, because denouncing citizenship would absolutely be the most viable solution in finding a place to live. Other countries love to accept nationless humans.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Then how do you assist America's enemies?
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14h
When another country gives me citizenship, being a stateless person would suck
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Historical enemy? So Russian? Glass houses, man.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 1d
You should learn more history if you think Russia is.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 1d
For most of the past century they have been. What country are you from then?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 1d
Canada.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 1d
Canada hasn't been our enemy since the treaty of Ghent when Canada was still part of the UK. Perhaps you ought to learn some history.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Oh, yeah? Who voted for Brexit? Who voted for LePen? Who voted AFD? Who voted for Meloni? Don't be so quick to blame Americans when your own countrymen are doing the same shit.
Squirrelknight@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15h
Brits didn't vote for Brexit twice, Le Pen has never been president of France despite three attempts and AFD has never had any real power in Germany. I'll give you Italy's Meloni, but the rest are just weak whataboutisms.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 15h
Why would they? It passed.
Won Saxony, didn't they?
Only got 8% less of the vote than Trump.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 1d
Almost twice as many Americans voted against Trump as people live in your entire country (assuming Canadian from the instance). That's a ridiculously ignorant blanket statement to make. I loathe our government and the assholes who support it as well, but I don't hate entire countries for having evil shitty leaders.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
The point, you are missing it.
It's not that "not all Americans", it's that you inflicted him on the rest of us. If you are butthurt at the rest of the world for rejecting the US you might have a rethink.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 1d
I didn't inflict him on anyone - I voted against him 3 times. Rejecting the US government is the absolute correct response, as it can't be trusted. But a country's government is not all of its people.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
Once again, personal responsibility doesn't mean shit. The Americans inflicted him upon us. That you personally didn't has no actual bearing on reality. You may not like it, you probably hate it, but you share collective responsibility for Trump as a nation.
So, if the rest of the world reroutes around you as a damaged and dangerous state, that should be an expected outcome. Save your pouting, and collectively deal with it.
Saying that, I do appreciate your helpless frustration. But we all have our own political problems in our own countries. If your country is a absolute fucking trainwreak and set to destroy all normal and reasonable order, we owe all of you nothing. And if you open your eyes real wide you can see the globe rapidly sidestepinng away from you in real time. This situation won't change an inch if you elect a jolly, sane Obama next time. Because elemental MAGA runs deep in your DNA. The only question is when will it surface next?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
The rest of the world rerouting around us a damaged and dangerous state is fine, the correct course of action even. But hating an entire nation of people for their leader is an ignorant response. In meatspace people have to do what the can to protect themselves from malicious governments like ours. Online, I'm an individual, and so are you. What our governments do means fuck all here.
I probably hate our government more than you - it almost certainly affects me more. But bigotry is not okay.
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
You will probably have to point out where I said that hating all Americans is ok? I don't think that I said anything about hating anyone. I said, more or less, that America is a damaged society. Others have pointed this out as well. It's just best to ignore them, work around them and hope for the best. This crap won't end with Trump.
This is a cliche, fair enough, but my best friend is American, and now an Australian. Why would I hate him just for being born in a different place. I've also acknowledged that a great many Americans hate Trump. That is immaterial. He's still your representative, he acts in your name and almost 50% still vote for him. All the rest doesn't change a lived reality.
Cheebus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
We can’t change the minds of other people, all we can do is act on the situation we’re in.
We are going to sooner or later have to take out the fucking trash.
When the time comes and this shit rises up in other countries like Germany, these countries do not expect help from us nor will they get it.
Because we’re busy solving our own problems for once.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1d
This is a basic thing that will always exist, countries with terrible governments. All I'm saying is to not judge an entire country by its government. Boycott it, hate the government, all fine. But don't hate the PEOPLE simply because of where they live. Except the ones that support the government, of course!
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
This is a popular thing to do on lemmy and it's honestly 50/50 if you get downvoted to hell for saying it's bad.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 18h
When people are advocating for the "lesser evil" of genocide, it's pretty easy to call them all evil pieces of shit, you know?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d
Yup, one of the nice things about Lemmy is that downvotes mean even less here than they did on reddit!
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah I wish I could just turn them off for me globally. My mobile app doesn't allow that unfortunately.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 1d
I assume you've been online in the last four years, and seen that all Russians are at fault for the invasion of Ukraine?
Why would you assume that Americans wouldn't be seen similarly?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
I've seen it said, and it's dead wrong. Why would this be any less wrong?
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1d
Whether it is wrong or right is irrelevant. It is.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
It's an incorrect claim that's made, yes. That doesn't mean you also have to make it.
Corvidae@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 1d
All that post-WWII goodwill ... Gone.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
And the bad guys in WWII seem to be making a bit of a comeback
SarahValentine@pawb.social · 4 pts · 1d
And you won't believe their stance on Israel!
AnitaAmandaHuginskis@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 1d
For Europe, it's a long overdue reality check that we were way to dependent on the US for defense.
This is not what Trump intended, so he does not get credit for that from me but there are benefits.
Frettchen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 19h
Not only defense. Software!
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 15h
Right? Thanks for massive Linux and renewable energy adoption , moron hahahaha.
I'll take a faint glimmer of silver lining there.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1d
Defense, computing, electronic payments...
aamram@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 23h
I agree... we just fall behind. Comfort is never a good thing for progress.
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 30 pts · 1d
I hope the entire world turns its back on America.
If they can do this to me, one of its own citizens, imagine what they'll do to you.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -21 pts · 1d
gee, that sounds eerily familiar. where have I heard that mentality before I wonder...
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 23h
Maybe stop hurting the rest of the world.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
??? That's not at all what was said.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 23h
let's break it down into the three statements.
Statement 2 has identified them and implies that statement 1 has happened to them.
Statement 2 has a qualifier, they are a citizen of the US.
Statement 1 expresses they hope the world turns their back on the US like they have implied happened to them in statement 2.
Statement 3 is a direct threat to you that the US will force statement 1 on you just like them in statement 2.
when you reduce it down, logically, they are saying: "I hope Americans are hurt because Americans hurt me, and they'll hurt you like they hurt me, so hurt them first because I want them to be hurt like they hurt me."
this is logic 101 shit.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23h
I wish you'd have used some logic on your first reply, you've just added nonsense.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 23h
then please, by all means enlighten me with your logical assessment of their comment.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22h
It was very self explanatory.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 22h
ok, so you're just a troll.
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social · 29 pts · 1d
Ironically, it was probably the corporate bootlicking and Robert's clearly nonsense claim that the President is above the law that sealed the deal. An election abberation is one thing, the rest of the power establishment sucking his cock while declaring that the system will continue to allow and encourage the chaos is not something worth dealing with.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Trump is only the most obvious symptom of a corrupt system.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 21h
The only way we can even begin to fix this is if the entire Trump crime family & their enablers are indicted & incarcerated. The entire cabinet belongs in prison or in RFK Jr's case, executed for innumerable counts of Depraved Heart Murder.
Ismay@programming.dev · 9 pts · 19h
No. Trump is just a symptom .
We desperately need the US Empire to fall. They lead war all around the world for decades and most conflicts are born from them or our two precedent empires : Russian and English.
They simply have too much power and absolutely 0 ethic.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
Be careful what you wish for.
knexcar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h
As an American, won’t the US falling affect us too?
Ismay@programming.dev · 1 pts · 12h
Will affect the whole world and, of course, people living in the US first.
I'm not saying that lightly. I live upstairs (Canada) and we would be highly impacted too.
Yet, I'm persuaded the US empire will and should fall. We need to move away from neo liberalism or we'll simply all die and/or live miserable lives. AI, ecology, war, choose your poison.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 15h
I dunno, like I see where this is coming from, and partially even would agree, but the power vacuum would also be disastrous.
...and personally I'd just like to know what the hell to do about it in the grand scheme of things, so me and the rest of my peasant family and the rest of us aren't stuck suffering and holding the entire bill on account of a handful of monsters bent on ruining the world.
A reminder to study how people pushed through the collapse of their homelands in the past...
Edit: lmao at the downvote like "you aren't people, USAmerican, get fked 🖕" LOL
Ismay@programming.dev · 2 pts · 11h
Yeah, I feel you.
If there is ONE thing I can give to Trump, it's that he's preparing the world for it.
He's destroying NATO as it exists, ruining the petrol dollar, destroying the US soft power world-wide. I don't think anyone did more for EV and solar than him the last year...
But yeah, it will be a mess. From my pov, the natural filler would be China. It as pros, it has cons. EU could gain a lot too but I really fear they won't have the wisdom to move away enough to net get caught by the blast.
We'll see I guess ^^
Frettchen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19h
At least from my perspective there is a big party that said they are on board with it so there need to happen a lot of things but going back to have America so deeply integrated should never be done.
After WW2 the us wanted Germany to not be armed and now they complain. America wanted eu not be armed. Now to say we are abusing usa? NA there is a lot of stuff you guys need to change but I'm the meantime we need to get rid of our dependence and cut some ties.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 18h
No argument here. I think the EU was stupid for allowing any of this to continue this long. Those ties should have been cut in 2016.
At the same time, you're very much about to have your own set of fash between Ruzzia, the AfD, Meloni & LePen. Good luck.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 14h
The average American citizen wont understand or care about this, and yet I do imagine there are pretty negative long term implications for them, along with all the other garbage being piled onto them.
I brought up that the cost of diesel has gone up massively (particularly at the start of the Iran conflict) and has started to rapidly balloon again to a co-worker at my 2nd job said he did not care about the price of diesel because he doesn't use diesel...
I carefully explained to him that everything is shipped over land is using diesel and this will cause the price of everything to go up and he pushed back again saying "Well everything is going up in price anyway." Its like dude WTF do you even do with people like this? I did not even touch on the expense of using heavy construction and farming machinery also increasing costs of everything...
He described himself once as someone who agrees with democrats on social issues but thinks republicans are better on the economy and I internally was like DUUUUDE THIS IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN ECONOMY RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING TROGLODYTE AAAHAHHAHAHA WE FUCKING DESERVVVVE THIIIIIIIISSSS.
Sektor@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 14h
Ask him how will he pay for the stuff becoming more expensive.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9h
The only "social issue" he cares about is his tax burden.
Cherries@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 11h
Well, if your coworker is that braindead, then he probably won't notice if you start propagandizing to him. Everytime something bad happens, audibly blame Trump and the Republican Party for it. A couple of weeks of that oughta change his opinion of things.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 15h
I always knew conservatives (regressives) would destroy America. I just didn't think it would be so fast and so aggressively stupid.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 23h
It's not accident or short-sighted incompetence either, it's direct from the fascist playbook. Fascism and Authoritarianism feeds on crises and enemies, so if you don't have any of those you need to manufacture some.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 22h
Not just the fascist playbook. You have to mix that all up with rampant moroniscism and blundering inability. Kinda like a badly built ikea shelf.
TheGreatRapsBeat@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 21h
As plausible as this seems, I don’t think it was that deliberate. The guy is a moron. This was all done by accident, and the fallout happened to be what is recognizable as fascism.
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 21h
Trump is a moron, self centered and easily manipulated by the people around him.
He's surrounded himself with fascists who are absolutely delighted at how things are going.
He's a puppet.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 15h
This seems to be the ideal archetype for a Republican "leader." Always some doofus who listens to the shadow government's every whim and claims it was his own idea the whole time.
But in the past, there was this facade of respectability, rather than just being an overgrown schoolyard bully who dropped out in 2nd grade.
itisileclerk@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 15h
In the end, the world will thank Trump for freeing them from American shackles. I hope that this is the beginning of the end of US dominance.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 15h
Trump is going down in history as the environmental President forcing the world to buy EVs or starve.
KeithD@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 9h
Or possibly "and starve."
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 15h
That, to me, is the truly ironic part.
It's not that anyone is going to thank him. He's an asshole and let him die in ignominy. But if we can survive his fucking around, there is a better world on the other side of it where one country doesn't get to lord over anyone else.
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13h
When he got elected I thought "maybe he's the dose of poison that'll force them to throw up the whole damn mess".
Stupidmanager@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h
Not entirely sure the next in line is best, but at least China is trying to work towards better power, transit and socials. world powers need to stand now, or this is our future.
Railing5132@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h
Better... Socials...?
Stupidmanager@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
Social systems. Healthcare, eliminating poverty, even family systems for child care and welfare.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 10h
We should not thanks him for unintentional outcome of his stupidity
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
US soft power is gone like an orange pedo fart.
fonix232@fedia.io · 5 pts · 1d
Based on reliable reporting from the WH, those farts are anything but gone… I’m afraid the next president will have to replace all the furniture, all the carpets, curtains, and the paintings will need to be decontaminated too.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 19h
the available evidence shows that those actually hang around for a while
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
"Long after Trump is gone" isn't the same as permanent. Just sayin'.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 47 pts · 1d
Trump is a symptom, not the cause. It’s permanent.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
he would be considered a complication of a disease.
Kyrias@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
Until a civil war cleans it all up.
WWV@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 1d
Ha, all the shit that has been done in less than 2 years and not one fucking peep. Americans have proven far too lazy to expect anything other what they have done so far. This is only the beginning of the new Amerikkka.
froh42@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Nah, going where the US is, that has definitely not happened in the last two years. I don't remember the US before Reagan, but Republican governments have been walking into the MAGA direction ever since. It's just Trump who's the current symptom. All this is a trend that was followed for about half of a century.
WWV@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
I'm afraid you, like Amerikkkans, are fooling yourselves. The toothpaste isn't going back in that tube and the world will never trust the US again. Everyone with a sense of reality outside of the US can see the country is collapsing financially and morally. 25 - 50 years tops. It's about to start to get really ugly.
froh42@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
You have not read what I wrote, it seems.
I no word I said something that someone would trust the US again.
Just the process that started it, is one that is already on its way for 40 to 50 years today. So, yes, I also think the US are collapsing like (for example) the large British Empire once did.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
What's it like, blindly hating 350 million people you'll never meet? It must be exhausting.
WWV@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
Ok patriot. Little less yankee doodle dandy, and a bit more humility would serve you and your countrymen well. Be well.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
The two states of being: bigot or patriot. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. Continue with your hatred
Cheebus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
i’m sure your country is a bastion of good policy and decisions, with a spotless record
if you’re gunna cast stones be sure you don’t live in a glass house
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1d
Ha, yet another two week old account.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 1d
What county do you live in?
Squirrelknight@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15h
Actually, it's quite freeing to look at this situation and just say "fuck em."
Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk · 11 pts · 1d
Nothing is permanent if the timespan is long enough, but given most governments don’t look much past next election it might as well be.
BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world · 13 pts · 1d
This is permanent in the sense that Trump has revealed the US constitution is a paper tiger and the US is run at the whim of the President. He has shown how weak the US governmental and legal system is, with one lunatic able to cause global chaos relatively unrestrained. Even when decisions are eventually undone by the courts, the damage has already been done and the President can just try a different route to the same goal.
That can't be undone by time; it needs serious reform in the US. Going forward, even if there is a reasonable president, all the US allies will now hedge their bets and will no longer want to be over reliant on the US. The US will always be regarded as unreliable now as it is effectively always just one election away from another potential Trump.
Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 21h
You’ve got a great point, the USA has definitely lost much if not all credibility for a long long time.
BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world · 10 pts · 1d
This is permanent. Trump has shown that the idea the US is stable and orderly is a lie. Instead, he got away with an attempted coup (albeit the coup itself didn't succeed), and has upended US foreign policy and relations without any restraint by congress and minimal restraint by the clearly partisan supreme court. He has shown that the US governmental system and constitution is far weaker than anyone could have believed.
Trump will be gone in a couple of years, but he has revealed that the US is always just one vote away from another capricious lunatic as president who can do a lot of damage in a short amount of time. There is also no guarantee that there won't be another attempted coup in 2 years time without legal consequence should the republicans not like losing the White House. Countries can't rely on the word of the US now. Even if the next president is reasonable and tries to restore the old order, the damage is done and countries are going to be hedging their bets, always thinking "but what happens when the next Trump comes along?".
The big loser is the US - countries deferred to US wishes in many things and allowed US businesses access to their markets, in no small part because it was seen as an exchange for the peace and security the US hegemony provided.
The only fix to restore confidence would be serious reform in the US and it is very clear that is not going to happen. Congress is permanently divided between 2 parties that hold up the status quo in the US. There is no realistic prospect of constitutional reform, with no party likely to get a 2/3rds majority, and even if they did get a majority it is clear there is no real political understanding in the US about the actual problems it is facing.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
That is assuming Republicans lose the White House.
I'm pretty sure social media is going to rig the election for Vance. Not illegally, but just by tipping the algorithms everyone is now addicted to, and by flooding the zone with LLM spam.
sportsjorts@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 1d
Revoke his citizenship and send him to The Hague.
kibblebits@quokk.au · 14 pts · 1d
Exactly. Ditch the usd before November fool.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 12h
In 2000, the Simpson's episode "Bart to the Future" predicted a Trump presidency that left the economy in shambles for Lisa. It's funny how mild it's foreboding prediction when compared to what his actual presidency has become. I realize his support is tanking, but it's still way too high, specially for a now severely compromised federal system.
Frettchen@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 19h
Wow you threaten war on your allies and they are running? Traitor! /S
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Russia finally winning the cold war ig
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
This is the real bottom line. MAGA seems to think that Russia is on their team.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 19h
As an American I have no doubt that our relationship with our allies will improve once we restore some sanity to the White House, but we’ve forced our allies to diversify their trade to brunt the impact of our tariffs and now that they’ve done so I don’t see any sane reason why they would undo that.
Routhinator@startrek.website · 24 pts · 16h
Its going to take at least 50 years of good faith, and I wish you good fucking luck with the insane 4 year flip flop political bias your country has.
We Canadians have been scratching our heads over the course of your increasing instability for 20 years, and we aren't going to forget that over night.
Trump is a sign that the political landscape in the US is so unstable that nothing promised by any political figure can be trusted by your allies.
Only a foolish nation forgets that overnight. We won't.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
Nobody will forget anything overnight, but the world keeps spinning and we all move on eventually.
Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 17h
Well then you haven't been paying attention.
We have committed some of the worst war crimes of the modern era
We threatened to INVADE MULTIPLE ALLIES
We have constantly lied and broken multiple signed agreements
Our allies have permanently changed large scale trade operations to China for stability
The dollar has decreased in value
Allies have removed bonds and gold reserves from our country.
Allowed a bloated and swollen pedophilic rapist to go on tv and threaten to nuke a civilization at the UN
Ostracized ourselves by launching state run media and threatening to dismantle the ICC (which is investigating us for warcrimes)
Allowed the president's family to invade and steal islands from sovereign nations (we all know what they want islands for)
And more!
No. There is no going back. The country was couped and is dead. Take a look at who is running every agency within government and you go ahead and tell yourself in the mirror that when trump doesn't accept the election results, he won't, that Kash Patel and Tom Homan will send DHS and the FBI to arrest trump. Maybe the Military run by kegsbreath and the businessman secretaries will come get him? Maybe the US Marshals will come get him- oh wait, they gave Trump a marshal badge and said he is the "highest law enforcement officer in the land"
A country of delusional peasants.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 16h
Trump is just a symptom of a rot that goes so much deeper. Nixon was forced to resign because he was caught spying on his political rivals. Trump tried to overthrow the government, faced no consequences, ran for president again, and won.
Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16h
That's what I am saying.
If anyone in the government wanted to keep him out of office,because they absolutely knew what Trump was before he was in the political spotlight, they could have..
If they ever wanted to arrest him, they could have.
They could all stop him at any point right now, but they won't.
None of that is going to change when he says, "the election wasn't fair" or "it was rigged" or some lame fake AI attack.
He will just do it. Dems will feign outrage and then we will be mad about something else. Why is everyone ok with this?
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 16h
I hate it but you're right. No two ways about it.
I think the only thing that could POSSIBLY put us on a positive path again would be if we were to wrest control back to the People again, and quite publicly show the world we're locking away all these nazis forever on some forgotten rock in the middle of the Pacific, and throwing away the key.
But yeah, something like that would be truly incredible and unexpected...
fishy@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 17h
Unfortunately I'm with you, we proved to the world that our country as a whole is morally bankrupt. The best way forward could be splitting the county in two and letting the lunatics drown in their own stupidity.
Unfortunately they'd never give up their nukes and they're stupid enough to use them so WTF do you even do?
Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17h
Honestly, I'm not sure yet. In a perfect world, we take back the government and rebuild it in an actual way that democracy can be enforced (like the Scandinavian countries)
I would personally prefer that blue states join Canada and the EU because the red states will fall into poverty and debt and they will blame us and invade.
But the true root of all of the issues we have always had are generational wealth (extreme wealth) and corporations. So idk how we can stop this cycle with those
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 17h
I’ve laid all this out in another comment of mine but nearly all of these things we’ve done before (and worse) but diplomatically recovered from, or were done (and far worse) by our allies, which they’ve diplomatically recovered from in less than 50 years.
If you’ve only been alive since 1990 and never learned anything about US or global history and 1990-2016 is your only frame of reference for global politics, all of these things would certainly seem so extreme and unprecedented. But the reality is America’s reliability and dependability were always an illusion, and thinking that the rest of the world is somehow enlightened enough to hold America to account for its failings of the last 10 years forever is a very sophomoric idea of global politics
Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16h
I disagree and you will never find this many inprecedented actions in history that worked
What we witnessed was a second "Business Plot". The first one didn't work out because we had principled leaders and Veterans wouldn't betray the nation.
The oligarchs that failed (mostly the same companies as today) lost principled Republicans and were universally hated while FDRs popularity soared. Republicans learned from this and systematically dismantled education in this country and courted the racist south.
What we have just witnessed, is a business plot that succeeded. We were couped by a coalition of extreme generational wealth, christian nationalists, and the tech facsists.
We have witnessed the dismantling and conquering of every agency and institution that could hold them responsible (to include putting a dictators face on them). Every agency that was investigating this group was taken over and is still being dismantled. The heads of these agencies are cult members.
We witnessed an unelected businessman with open conflicts of interest invade our government and sabotage every investigation against him and STEAL OUR MOST SENSITIVE DATA. they stole OPM records, social security information, etc and put it on an unknown server. They also installed their AI into every agency and the Pentagon. There is no recovering from that.
-this would be all of the actions that I previously listed
-the Epstein files and lack of response from our government has shattered the entire IDEA of justice in this country and unmasked the hidden depravity of extreme wealth.
No. Your snyde comment shows a lack of sophomoric comprehension of history and current events.
Please show me a comparable time in our history equal to this?
And no, the Gilded Age was not this bad as far as everything mentioned
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 18 pts · 18h
America used to be dependable to its allies. Treacherous, but in predictable ways. Now the seal is broken, and it’s been proved that any norm can be ignored. So that’s never going to return to how it was. Its now firmly in the category of erratic unstable partners and that will not change with any successor.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 17h
Was it? I mean America went through a relatively short period of a several decades of stability during its golden age for sure, but the time scale we're talking about is so short it means little to nothing. The European mindset of some kind of “before and after” due to trump is a level of historical blindness that defies belief.
America has been in open war with most of its modern allies throughout its short 250 year existence, several of which were in this past century. For gods sake America dropped two nukes on civilian population centers in one of its closest modern day allies.
And on the flip side of that, you have to step back and consider the fact that there are people alive today who remember their homes being carpet bombed by German planes during that period where Germany elected a fascist dictator, the likes of which all others to this day are compared against, and proceeded to slaughter half of Europe while simultaneously committing the largest genocide ever recorded in human history. And yet Germany’s reputation among European nations appears to have completely recovered in a shorter time span than America’s “dependable ally” era lasted.
Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16h
In fairness to Germany we had the Nuremberg trials where the top Nazis were held accountable for their crimes and hanged. You could argue that the current American administrations crimes are not on a par with Nazi Germany's, which I would agree with but accountability is not in the Americans vocabulary. Trump and his team have suffered no consequences from the Jan 6th insurrection, I don't think anyone will face any consequences for supporting Israel's genocide both at the UN and in supplying the weapons to keep it going. I can't see anyone being punished for the war crimes committed in Iran, worst of all bombing a little girls school killing 120 children.
America's biggest loss under trump has been in the soft power they have spent the last 100 years building. The mask has fully slipped with no plausible deniability about what America is and where they are headed. We in Europe will still cynically do business with you, the USA remains the global military and financial hegemon but the public support is gone for a generation at least.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
The Nuremberg trials were not conducted by Germany and aren’t an example of the nation holding their own leaders accountable, so in fairness it doesn’t really compare to America failing to hold its own leaders accountable for Jan 6th. And in fact despite the Nuremberg trials being conducted by the Allied powers, those same allied powers (USA included) absolutely committed subversions of justice for the Nazis by recruiting many into government research programs.
So Germany failed to hold the Nazis to account, and unfortunately the rest of the world did to some degree too.
I think this whole thread is full of rose-tinted glasses and vague ideas of international justice and American Moral Exceptionalism that didn’t really exist
Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h
Germany as a nation teaches its children about all their dark history and acknowledges the atrocities committed. Their leaders were held to account at Nuremberg while the country was under allied occupation, I accept your point that it was not Germany themselves holding them to account but the country as a whole accepts responsibility for their crimes in a way the USA couldn't even imagine.
The USA on the other hand has never accepted formal responsibility for the genocide of the native American population.
The subversions of justice you mentioned by the allied powers, I fail to see the point you are making mentioning this.
Your view that it will be business as usual after the current American regime is what I think is rose tinted. The USA used to get away with the atrocities they committed using a combination of plausible deniability and soft power. This is no longer an option post the current trump regime, this is the point. This loss of soft power with their former allies will only hasten the USA's downfall and it is hard to see them maintaining their current dominant position going forward. The USA's current prosperity is borrowed not earned and is in part financed by their allies. The current bond market is an indicator of what is to come.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14h
Germany as a nation teaches its children about their dark history now many years after the fact (it appears to not be working). The U.S. isn’t in the “after the fact” period yet so it’s hard to predict what they could imagine at this point.
The allied European nations didn’t fully hold the Nazis to account for their crimes against humanity, so there’s no historical precedent to suggest that they will fully hold America to account with what’s going on now.
My point is if Germany can be back to business as usual mere decades after the events of WW2, there’s no reason to think the U.S. won’t be back to business as usual in the same timeframe if not even less.
Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
Why do you think Germany teaching kids about the horrors they committed during ww2 hasn't been working? I haven't noticed a 4th Reich rising!
We do not need to get into the difficulties in holding other nations to account for crimes permitted in a different nation and the lack of laws at the time to prosecute most of the 2nd and 3rd tier Nazis or the underlying antisemitism that was not limited to Nazi Germany in Europe at the time as that is a different conversation.
I agree with you when you speak of people's short memories when it comes to making money in a cynical business sense over the long term. The USA's danger at the moment is all in the short term, the trust they have lost will take decades of good foreign policy and reliability which I can't see happening with the current divide in American politics. Any olive branches offered by the democrats will likely be undone by the republicans and it is this unreliability that will be the death of the American economy. The USA has been the most reliable and trusted trading partner for the last century. The uncertainty is what has the rest of the world decoupling from the USA right when they are starting to feel the burden of their national debt that used to be bought up by the rest of the world.
The bond market is now showing cracks, the USA's financial dominance over the last 35 years has been built primarily on the tech boom they have experienced. They went all in on AI and are now doubling down like a gambler as China offers free open source alternatives making an AI dominance look unlikely. China is now the most interesting tech innovator in robotics and manufacturing. I can't see how things go back to normal for the states after this, only a long period of decline and loss of relevance on the world stage. I do not take joy from this, my own country's current financial boom is overly reliant on these American companies.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 10h
I could not even begin to imagine defending the idea of America replicating the early stages of Nazi Germany and thinking that is why the US is going to be okay.
You cannot be helped.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 15h
This is not enough unfortunately. Your checks and balances need to be checked and balanced. If they are not working now, why would they work in the future?
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 14h
They are working currently. Though admittedly many cracks in the armor have been revealed, and the complacency America had in its expectations of presidential tradition and precedent has clearly done damage of its own.
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 13h
Working? You are hilarious. Congress and Senate or Supreme Court should have put the brakes on Trump a year ago. They are still siding and abetting him instead. Even the military is happy to ignore the Constitution to do Trump's bidding. It's less than given that the Nov elections will be honoured. Doesn't look like checks and balances to the outside world.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 13h
Yes they are objectively and inarguably working. Even with several members of the Supreme Court compromised it has still been a regular obstacle to his plans. The panic the administration has for and the effort put into the upcoming elections are further proof that they’re working. The fact that the upcoming midterms happen only half way through his presidency is not an accident either. The American system was designed to minimize the amount of damage a president or any other branch of government can do.
Nobody promised the system of checks and balances we have could prevent the president from doing any harm. It only provides the people with the power to put a stop to it.
Oggyb@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h
These "barely hanging together" checks and balances are the reason I favour the parliamentary system. Obviously I only speak for myself.
When you have a lower house designed around real and regular debate with the leaders and real opposition who are expected to form their own "govt in waiting", there are more opportunities to hold the govt to account and challenge them before it gets to the judiciary.
The spiderman standoff between three institutions supposedly watching each other but vulnerable to being manipulated by the same malevolent forces and vested interests seems weak these days.
You can elect someone who is extremely hard to eject if they're bad for the country. A US president is in for 4 years precisely, and the supreme Court has made them legally immune to acts taken as president. We are seeing the impacts of this guarantee and they won't stop at least until the term is over.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 9h
Etc.
That these even exist are proof that the checks and balances are NOT working. This is why the world is turning away. Trump is the symptom of a bigger underlying cause.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
None of those are proof that the checks and balances have failed.
This is why the Supreme Court is a panel. This check has succeeded.
The balance of the judicial branch has successfully thwarted several illegal attempts at rigging the election.
The emoluments clause is unclear in how it should be interpreted today. Trump hasn’t directly violated it in any way. There is ongoing debate about whether or not some indirect forms of compensation violate it or not, and something may yet come of this.
There is too much legal precedent supporting this being considered a campaign promise and not a bribe. Because it’s offered to all citizens as a benefit of the outcome of an election, it’s functionally no difference from saying “Elect me and I’ll lower taxes”
Technically speaking, a full ceasefire agreed to by both sides resets this clock. No rules have technically been broken. Congress retains the ability to shut the war down, the republicans in power just don’t want to. The upcoming mid term elections are the remedy for that.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h
You elected a 34 time felon to the white house. If they're currently working, then your country is more fucked than any of us could have forseen.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 10h
I don’t think you understand what checks and balances are, or what they’re for
Brimstone@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 18h
The problem is one of who comes next for America and after that.
Now the world knows America is willing to vote people like Trump into office, it has to act accordingly.
Trump Is what you expect from Argentina or some country already in trouble trying to find a way out.
Not the biggest economy in the world! Now everyone has to plan accordingly that this can and probably will happen again.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 18h
Why would you not expect that of the U.S. because they’re the biggest economy in the world?
Germany is the third biggest economy in the world and they’re currently dealing with a Huge surge in far-right extremism in their government.
Japan is the fourth largest economy and they’ve seen a Rise in nationalist conservative government
The UK is like the fifth or so largest economy in the world and let us not forget what happenened when they Elected their discount Trump
Italy is the 8th largest and they’ve been Governed by the far right for the last four years
Like the majority of the worlds top 10 economies have seen a far-right shift on some significant level in the last 5 years, so I’m not really sure how you came upon those expectations
PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17h
The big problem with this is that the promise was secretly "forign policy is uniparty. Whether it's an" R" or a "D" our forign policy will be relatively consistent" and Trump broke that promise. Now every nation has to prepare for the eventuality that different presidents might have different policy toward their allies (and adversaries. No president before Trump would have canceled drills with South Korea on North Korea's behalf). That will take decades of consistency to repair, and as a fellow American, I'm not certain they will get that consistency going forward with the state of politics in the US.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 12h
White House? You are blind to the gravity of the problem. The supreme courts will still be stuffed. The federal agencies will still be full and led by his cronies. Congress will still be gerrymandered to hell. Voting is now on its way to be directly compromised as well on every level. There are more lobbyists with deeper pockets willing to feed the DINOs, and the protections against their corruption has eroded. Even public sentiment is too stupid to survive the amount of time and administrations it would take to fix the whole system, they will accept that both parties are the same on a dime even when the specifics are on radically different scales.
To be fair, the US isn't the only country that is having a corruption problem. We are living through a time where corruption continues to get easier and the ultra rich think they have an out with AI and robotics for the future apocalypse.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h
As a Canadian, let me assure you that it will not.
I hope we as a country cut ties with you forever. Because the fact you let this happen at all, means no countgry should ever trust you from not letting it happen again.
Until you fix the foundation of your issues, I speak for a LOT of people that say "You're completely dead to us".
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h
I can assure you that it will. Your country will absolutely positively not cut ties with America forever. I’m sure you speak for yourself, but let us not forget that nearly a quarter of Canadians support Trump. Don’t think for a second we forgot about the Freedom Convoy either lol.
If you look at what America is going through and your first thought is “they’re crazy, that can’t happen here”, I have some bad news for you.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 10h
Who knows we may get our own trump
ouch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12h
What allies?
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h
North Korea and Russia are still buddies with them.
eronth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15h
Yeah eventually maybe, but the problem is we've shown TWICE now that we'll elect someone erratic and petulant. Nobody should trust the US because even with a sane leader, you can't be guaranteed you'll be greeted with sanity 4 years later. Every deal struck may or may-not be shredded with the next admin.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h
Uh we’ve done it a lot more than twice.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 10h
I hope you are wrong I don't want a terrorist state as an ally
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 9h
lol don’t be so emotional
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 9h
Being responsible of millions of death make you a terrorist state
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 9h
Which millions of deaths are you referring to
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 8h
Vietnam victims
Libya victims
Syria victims
Iran victims
Afghanistan victims
Cuba victims
Palestine victims
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 8h
You’re talking about deaths from war? In that case all your allies are terrorists buddy you’re screwed.
Also you’re Canadian which means your country too
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 8h
I am talking about imperialism wars and intervention that led to millions of deaths. No other country did that level of evilness
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 12h
Didn't you guys promise that in 2010 with Jon Stewart?
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h
I was there actually. Unfortunately the rally was to restore sanity AND OR fear :/
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 12h
I was supposed to be, and chose to stay in NYC and get drunk with my friend instead. Much better use of time it turns out.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
It was actually a pretty good time
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 17h
Goodbye Washington.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1d
Trump has laid bare our (rest of the world) complete risk exposure. Financial houses and strategists are making it clear. Politicians very much aware that their voters do not want a "special relationship" with America. Only the extreme right here support him.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
"You are such a piece of shit! So... did you send that check? Thanks, jerk. See you tomorrow. Love you, too. No, you hang up! Bye. Hang up!"
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 10h
You deserve it for by ing an evil empire
likebudda@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 9h
I voted blue and donated to contested races as much as I could afford. I am too lazy/socially anxious to canvass or do anything active like that. In my bubble, there was plenty of Kamala hype and even though I didn't believe it, all I could do was ask anonymous online strangers to vote and hope enough of them voted my way. I shouldn't have been surprised at the power of racism and sexism in the country but it was still a shock to the system. In my circles supporting him was utterly unthinkable so I have no explanation on how it happened.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
We should lose friends over this (not that that is going to sink into the MAGAt morons' thick skulls), but I hope we can go back to being civil once the cancer is removed.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
It's not going to be removed. I think the US is turning into a cyberpunk corpo state, more quickly than I could have imagined; Trump is just the unwitting setup.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Who would have thought years ago not only that someone like Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president but that people would think he was a viable candidate to vote for?
saddlebag@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Not only "viable" but elected twice. In fact he's so "viable" that he's even proposing an illegal third term and his voters are most likely in support of it. Truly the end of America as we've known it.
obvs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
November 2020: Trump tries to fix the U.S. Presidential election.
January 2021: Trump tries to overthrow the U.S. Government.
NOVEMBER 2024: TRUMP WINS FAIR AND SQUARE.
November 2026: Trump tries to fix the U.S. Presidential election.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
he rigged the '24 one too.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
I’m tired of all this winning.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Nothing is ever permanent in geopolitics. Who ever is telling you that there is someone who's lying to you.
wjrii@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Not permanent, but it's gonna be a while this time. US foreign policy regarding its allies used to be predictable enough that they could make long term plans and expect things that were patently useful to both sides would not be indiscriminately torpedoed. Now, you can mostly hope that the Democrats are on board with that as a broad philosophy, though they're navigating populist waters that could get rocky with isolationism, but right now the other party in a closely matched two-party system can't even be trusted not to tweet the economic system into existential peril or threaten literal invasions of allies, to say nothing of their simply being quite bad at efficient governance or diplomatic messaging.
America's allies will welcome any Democratic administration, and anything that can get better for the duration of one probably will (e.g. Visas, retaliatory tariffs, etc.), but diversifying from the dollar as a reserve currency, building trade networks that can minimize exposure to American political volatility, and even exploring security arrangements that imagine post-NATO scenarios, all that is going to continue unless we see a good two decades or more of non-insane foreign policy from both US parties. Not even humane or optimal, just not batshit crazy.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
After those two decades the new post-America status quo will already be established. There will be no reason to go back.
wjrii@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Very possible, and you’re right that nothing will be the same, but America will be a rich and powerful country for a good while yet, and I imagine that after a (very hypothetical) generation of good behavior, many countries would be happy to revisit some of the arrangements that worked for 60+ years post WW2, or at the very least stop specifically planning around how to do without the US like they are forced to do now.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 19h
Sure it is. The Roman Empire, for example, isn't ever going to re-normalize relations with its allies.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Nothing is ever permanent... including nations and empires.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Exactly. American hegemony was not permanent. It's ending now.
Pulsar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 11h
And with the current trends of openly weaponizing the dollar, I would expect the BRICS to expand and the petrodollar dominance to wane.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 11h
Who knew that building a pattern of attacking your allies could lead to your allies not trusting you any more?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Nothing is permanent in international relations. Nations have permanent interests, not permanent allies.
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 1d
Yes, but governments usually try to plan for outcomes that last more than 4 years. As it is now, the second a rational president is in place starts a timer counting down to a completely unknown situation. Who would want to take a risk on that? This leaves you with allies who are only there now, because they know thats all they can rely on. And if they aren't rewarded immediately, in political terms, they won't bother, either.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Putin's Plant Produces Plump Plums
tachikoma@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
Up next on Sick Sad World!
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8h
America First? America Alone.
jonzobot@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 10h
I don't get it. This is an article about an article. Why not just link the original article published by the Atlantic?
tonytins@pawb.social · 5 pts · 10h
I first heard about it via AlterNet, and you need a subscription for The Atlantic.
Tiral@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 10h
Because people don't actually read anything anymore, besides the title. You're a rare breed my friend.
Thor_Whale@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 7h
Look at him salute. He's an embarrassment and no one has the courage to tell him to stop saluting like a drunkard. Plus it's a disrespect to the military and I'm not even a military guy.
horus_son_of_isis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Totally just a coincidence how much this idiocy benefits Russia.
Scaramanga@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 1h
The end of an empire ?
TokesGirlDragon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h
Somebody please help? If we had a better president none of this would be happening..someone please call the referee, this president sucks
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 19h
What allies need is instructions to protect themselves from ICE and human trafficking.
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
Breaking news: humans are carbon based lifeforms
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
Designed by the bastard Muscovites and used by the MAGA circus. Throw in Project 2025 too.
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 0 pts · 1d
Permanent? Nothing is fucking permanent.
Long lasting, ok sure, but it’s really hard to know what that would mean.
At least the next two years, maybe six years? Definitely.
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1d
The US flushed a century of building soft power in 18 months.
Napster153@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Everytime someone says something is too big to fail, I remind myself that failure is often a catastrophic series of events that occur because the leadup was ignored all the way.
stoly@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
The world is moving to a new paradigm where China and India, allied with South American and smaller Asian countries, run the world. The US will never return to prominence.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 23h
Mmmm yesss your arrogance is delicious
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 23h
Death to America.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1d
Really though? When push comes to shove we see them grovel at his feet. Just look at the embarrassment that is Denmark pledging its loyalty to the US and surrendering Greenland.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1d
I don't believe all of it is permanent. Some of it can come back if we bargain in good faith. Politicians in other countries are just as opportunistic as American politicians.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
European here, I'm not sure that's likely
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
Europe bought Russian gas up until the point Russia invaded Ukraine. . .twice. They will absolutely continue to trade with the US. Cooperation may not be as close, but the trade will be there until we actually physically attack Europe. Possibly more than once.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
That's the thing, though. Russia has gas. America has nothing. You used to have institutional power due to your position after World War II, but now all those institutions are being torn down. You have nothing to offer the world. You don't manufacture anything, your population is uneducated and your tech products are an active liability.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 19h
But you're presenting that from a normal person's point of view. The oligarchy and politicians see great value in all that crap.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
I think there will always be short term gains, but the days of a skewed 'portfolio' have passed.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 1d
no it's not.
let's be completely honest here. the US is in the news because we have an asshole for a president that outwardly wears his corruption. he doesn't have enough mental capacity to not say the bad thing out loud.
but make no mistake, almost all world leaders are inwardly pieces of shit. all this posturing will be forgotten the moment a mentally capable leader replaces that bag of shit.
I'm not saying this out of righteous smug indignation. I'm saying it because it happens all the time and it's the truth.
whatmeworry@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Disagree. International relationships take a lot of time and resources to create. Structures are being built now in order to circumvent the US, and those won’t just disappear when we elect a new president. Yeah maybe they’ll let us back at the table once Trump is gone, but we won’t be at the head of the table anymore. The rest of the world is figuring out how to function without the US right now. If they succeed, our participation will be irrelevant, which by definition diminishes most of our economic power.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
completely agree, and that's why leaders are outwardly professing their disdain and only taking semi-permanant action against the US. they're essentially hedging their bets to see how damaging the current regime is without burning the bridges they spent decades building.
this article is only pointing out the political theater that all politicians play.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
This is classic what-aboutism at it's finest. This discussion is not about "Trump bad. Everyone else good!"
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
No, he's right. Trump is good optics for murderous white supremacists/bootlicking imperialist vassals in the US and abroad, but not for everyone else. Obama had record bombings, he was just charismatic, looked and talked non rapey and at least pretended to be moral (whilst continuing the imperialistic goals). Anyone distancing from Trump or calling him out is not necessarily doing it due to morality, it can just be convenient for their own power grabbing goals.
Trump is just handling the dismantling of America more than previous presidents, he certainly is the man for the job, and Americans are feeling a small percentage of the pain felt by everyone else inflicted by Burgerland (because, as other countries unite and grow and develop nukes and stuff, the Western elite has to pivot and feed on the local stock) whilst he's in power and they don't like it. But things haven't gotten crazier or more evil, the targets are just changing.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
I guess you missed the point also.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
it's literally in the headline!
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 21h
No, it isn't. The headline talks about how Trump has soured the US's relationship with other countries.
It's possible to make that statement without outright saying "Trump bad!"